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| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by MaxInDHouse(op): 3:45pm On Nov 10, 2024 |
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| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by Janosky: 10:29pm On Nov 11, 2024 |
johnw47:John W WAILING WAILER , your gods of men giving false prophecies (in screenshots) are practicing what Jesus taught? 3 deities devotees WAILING WAILERS are inseparable from IBERIBEISM.  
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| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by johnw47: 8:32am On Nov 12, 2024*. Modified: 9:45am On Nov 12, 2024 |
Janosky:lost fraud jw janonsense of course you call the truth i posted "wailing" and of course you accuse me of having gods of men lost false jw, of course you cannot ever stop lying with Jehovah as Witness: Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Rev_12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night. Janosky: 3 deities devotees WAILING WAILERS are inseparable from IBERIBEISM.ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool false jw, of course you a lost one, love to continually blaspheme the Christians Father and Son and Holy Spirit of the Bible, calling Them 3 deities/3 gods Mat 12:31 Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. Mat 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come. Rev_20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire |
| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by johnw47: 8:38am On Nov 12, 2024 |
giving false prophecies and false date settings is not the religion practising what Jesus taught: Mat 7:15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. some false prophecies and false date settings of so called Jehovah's witnesses; jwfacts dot com: In its issue of July 15, 1976, The Watchtower, commenting on the inadvisability of setting our sights on a certain date, stated: "If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises." In saying "anyone," The Watchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah's Witnesses, hence including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date. Nevertheless, there is no reason for us to be shaken in faith in God's promises. Rather, as a consequence, we are all moved to make a closer examination of the Scriptures regarding this matter of a day of judgment. In doing so, we find that the important thing is not the date. What is important is our keeping ever in mind that there is such a day - and it is getting closer and it will require an accounting on the part of all of us. Peter said that Christians should rightly be "awaiting and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah." (2 Pet. 3:12) It is not a certain date ahead; it is day-to-day living on the part of the Christian that is important. He must not live a single day without having in mind that he is under Jehovah's loving care and direction and must submit himself thereto, keeping also in mind that he must account for his acts." In its brief discussion of this event, Watchtower's history book Proclaimers makes subtle admission. "This later led to the idea — sometimes stated as a possibility, sometimes more firmly — that since the seventh millennium of human history would begin in 1975, events associated with the beginning of Christ’s Millennial Reign might start to take place then." Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom p.633 |
| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by johnw47: 10:39pm On Nov 12, 2024 |
Janosky:ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool lost fraud jw janosky you claim to be Jehovah's witness, yet when you lie like this all over the place you make Jehovah Who you say you witness for, to be a liar you people don't witness for Jehovah. with all your lies, you are the devil's witnesses: Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies. |
| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by johnw47: 9:07am On Nov 13, 2024 |
giving false prophecies and false date settings is not the religion practising what Jesus taught: Mat 7:15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. Jehovah’s Witnesses and their many false prophecies carm dot org: Jehovah’s Witnesses have many false prophecies and predictions. They make many claims in their attempt to convert you to their faith. They profess to have the only true Christian church, be the only true representatives of God, have the only correct biblical teaching, and be the only true announcers of Jehovah’s coming kingdom. If they are the only true church and are the only true voice of God’s word, then what they say should prove true, especially in prophecy. When it comes to predicting the future, the Watchtower organization fails miserably. The following are some of the false predictions made over the years by the Watchtower organization. If you present these to a JW, he will probably say something like, “Those are taken out of context,” or “They didn’t claim to be the prophet of God,” or “The light is getting brighter, and we are understanding Bible prophecy better now,” etc. Make a copy of these false prophecies, found in the appendix, and give it to them to check. They are right out of the Witnesses’ literature. Remember Deut. 18:22, “If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.” If someone makes a false prophecy and claims to be a prophet of God, they are false prophets and are not to be listened to. Do the Witnesses claim to be the prophet of God? Yes, they do. In 1972 the Jehovah’s Witness Watchtower claimed to be the prophet of God. IDENTIFYING THE “PROPHET”–“So does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet? . . . This “prophet” was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah’s Christian Witnesses . . . Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a ‘prophet’ of God. It is another thing to prove it,” (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1972, p. 197). (See Deut. 18:21.) ● 1897 “Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874,” (Studies in the Scriptures, vol. 4, p. 621). ● 1899 ” . . . the ‘battle of the great day of God Almighty’ (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth’s present rulership, is already commenced,” (The Time Is at Hand, 1908 edition, p. 101). ● 1916 “The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended and that the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of Christ’s Reign, began in 1873,” (The Time Is at Hand, forward, p. ii). ● 1918 “Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection,” (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89). ● 1922 “The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914,” (Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262). ● 1923 “Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge,” (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1923, p. 106). ● 1925 “The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. In his own due time, God will accomplish his purposes concerning his people. Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year,” (Watchtower, Jan. 1, 1925, p. 3). ● 1925 “It is to be expected that Satan will try to inject into the minds of the consecrated, the thought that 1925 should see an end to the work,” (Watchtower, Sept. 1925, p. 262). ● 1926 “Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so. The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything,” (Watchtower, p. 232). ● 1931 “There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah’s faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1914, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time. . . . and they also learned to quit fixing dates for the future….” (Vindication, pp. 338, 339). ● 1941 “Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord’s provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon,” (Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288). ● 1968 “True, there have been those in times past who predicted an ‘end to the world’, even announcing a specific date. Yet nothing happened. The ‘end’ did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing? . . . Missing from such people were God’s truths and evidence that he was using and guiding them,” (Awake, Oct. 8, 1968). ● 1968 “Why are you looking forward to 1975?” (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1968, p. 494). A JW might say that the organization is still learning. If that is so, then how can they trust what they are taught now by the Watchtower? Will what they are being taught now change also? A true prophet of God won’t err in prophesying. Only a false prophet does. The Jehovah’s Witness organization, which claims to be a prophet of God, is really a false prophet. |
| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by MaxInDHouse(op): 11:01am On Nov 13, 2024 |
They are moving everywhere to fish out those deserving among mankind! Matthew 28:18-20  |
| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by johnw47: 7:53am On Nov 14, 2024 |
giving false prophecies and false date settings is not the religion practising what Jesus taught: Mat 7:15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. about the so called Jehovah's witnesses; wayoflife dot org Jehovah’s Witnesses take their name from Isaiah 43:10-11, which actually refers to Israel. “I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God” (Isaiah 43:11-12). Those who leave the JWs are called apostates. They are completely shunned. The JWs do not talk to them or have anything to do with them. In fact, they are to be hated. ^^ many sects hate those that leave them The bodies in which Jesus manifested himself to his disciples after his return to life were not the body in which he was nailed to the tree. They were merely materialized for the occasion, resembling on one or two occasions the body in which he died ^^ Jehovah's witnesses make the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ to be a deceiver/liar: Luk 24:39 "See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have." |
| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by johnw47: 8:41am On Nov 15, 2024 |
studying the Bible with so called Jehovah's witnesses is studying the Bible with false teachers/false prophets: Mat 7:15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. about the so called Jehovah's witnesses; wayoflife..org False Prophecies “And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him” (Deuteronomy 18:21-22). Jehovah’s Witness leaders have marked themselves as false teachers by their false prophecies. JW leaders prophesied that the millennium would began in October 1872. “We are already living in the seventh millennium — since October 1872” (The Time Is At Hand, 1889; 1915 ed., p. 363; also Thy Kingdom Come, Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, 1905, p. 127). They prophesied that the battle of Armageddon ended in 1914 and God’s kingdom began. “ . . . the ‘ battle of the great day of God Almighty’ (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth’s present rulership, is already commenced” (The Time Is at Hand, 1908 edition, p. 101). “In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished at the end of A. D. 1914” (The Time Is At Hand, 1889, 1908 ed., p. 99). They prophesied that the kingdom of God would be established in 1915. “In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished near the end of A.D. 1915” (The Time Is At Hand, 1889, 1915 ed., p. 99; see also p. 242). |
| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by johnw47: 8:42am On Nov 15, 2024 |
studying the Bible with so called Jehovah's witnesses is studying the Bible with false teachers/false prophets: Mat 7:15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. about the so called Jehovah's witnesses; wayoflife..org They prophesied that the millennium would begin in 1925. “Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection” (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89). “The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914” (The Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262). They prophesied that the millennium would begin in 1975. “According to this trustworthy Bible chronology six thousand years from man’s creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975 C.E” (Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God, Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, 1966, p. 29; the date is also listed in chart on page 35; see also, The Watchtower, Oct. 15, 1969, p. 623; The Approaching Peace of a Thousand Years, pp. 26-27; Kingdom Ministry, March 1968, p. 4). They prophesied that Armageddon would begin before the end of the 20th century. “Shortly, within our twentieth century, the ‘battle in the day of Jehovah’ will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom” (The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah, 2nd ed. 1971, p. 216). |
| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by MaxInDHouse(op): 1:10pm On Nov 15, 2024 |
The Israelites murmured against God by their attitude towards Moses and Aaron the only channel God used to dispense spiritual food to his people back then. Exodus 15:24 Who are God's representatives today going by what Jesus promised his future disciples! Matthew 24:45 1 Like |
| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by johnw47: 10:11pm On Nov 15, 2024*. Modified: 10:53pm On Nov 15, 2024 |
giving false prophecies and false date settings is not the religion practising what Jesus taught: Mat 7:15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. about the so called Jehovah's witnesses; wayoflife..org False Prophecies “And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him” (Deuteronomy 18:21-22). Jehovah’s Witness leaders have marked themselves as false teachers by their false prophecies. 1 Like |
| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by Janosky: 10:21pm On Nov 15, 2024 |
johnw47:John W WAILING Hypocrite wedded to IBERIBEISM. Did your pastorpreneur's 2016 "Naira will rise again" prophecy fulfilling in 2024? By John W inference & yardstick, his pastorpreneur gods of men are fake prophets (screenshots evidence) with FALSE prophecies and FALSE teachers. John MUMU WAILING Hypocrite .
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| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by johnw47: 10:49pm On Nov 15, 2024*. Modified: 8:52am On Nov 16, 2024 |
Janosky:lost fraud jw janosky i don't have pastorpreneur's, god's of men, false prophets, or false teachers but of course you lost blasphemers of the Holy Spirit don't care about your never ending lying, do you you fraud jw's cannot ever stop lying, just like your father of lies the devil: Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies. of course many of those lies and false accusations you accuse others of are true of you oh false accuser , again like your father the devil: Rev_12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night. you people claim to be Jehovah's witness, yet when you lie like this all over the place you make Jehovah Who you say you witness for, to be a liar you people don't witness for Jehovah. with all your lies, you are the devil's witnesses Rev_20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire 1 Like |
| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by Janosky: 11:27pm On Nov 15, 2024 |
johnw47:These screenshots evidence are irrefutable. You are paying tithes to these gods of men & their fellow pulpit bandits controlling you. John W LYING miscreant wedded to delusion and IBERIBEISM.
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| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by Janosky: 11:28pm On Nov 15, 2024 |
johnw47:These screenshots evidence are irrefutable. You are paying tithes to these gods of men & their fellow pulpit bandits controlling you. John W LYING miscreant wedded to delusion and IBERIBEISM. |
| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by johnw47: 11:35pm On Nov 15, 2024 |
giving false prophecies and false date settings is not the religion practising what Jesus taught: Mat 7:15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. How 1919 is Derived; jwfacts..com Portentous emphasis is placed on 1919, this being the year that Jesus is said to have chosen Watchtower and its Governing Body to represent him on earth. Yet, the minimal Scriptural backing Watchtower uses to support this year is both flimsy and illogical. 1919 is described as a time of spiritual deliverance, the year the Watchtower Governing Body were appointed as the faithful slave. "Since 1919 of our common era, the slave has been put in charge of some belongings of Christ." "In Whom Do You Trust?" Mar 2018, Gerrit Lösch jwb.201803-2.v “The faithful and discreet slave” was appointed over Jesus’ domestics in 1919. That slave is the small, composite group of anointed brothers serving at world headquarters during Christ’s presence who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food. When this group work together as the Governing Body, they act as “the faithful and discreet slave.” jw.org 2012 Annual Meeting Report "Similarly, starting in 1919, Jehovah brought forth the seed of the woman as a spiritual nation." Revelation - It's Grand Climax (re) p.184 "His eye has been upon them constantly since their spiritual deliverance in 1919." Watchtower 1994 Mar 1 p.17 Jehovah's Witnesses are told they cannot understand the Bible without the guidance of the 'faithful slave" that was chosen by Jesus in 1919. No scripture is referenced in many of these mentions of 1919, and Jehovah's Witnesses are expected to accept that the basis for the year 1919 has been explained elsewhere. Is there Scriptural support that the year 1919 holds prophetic significance? The basis of 1919 relies almost entirely on Revelation chapter 11. Revelation 11 describes "two witnesses," a period of 1260 days, a period of 3 1/2 days, and great fear for the nations. Revelation 11 "3 I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy for 1,260 days dressed in sackcloth.” ... 7 the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss will wage war with them and conquer them and kill them. ... 9 And those of the peoples and tribes and tongues* and nations will look at their corpses for three and a half days ... 11 After the three and a half days, spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell upon those who saw them. The following outlines the steps Watchtower uses to justify why Revelation 11 applies to itself and Jesus' selection of its Governing Body in 1919. The bullet points identifying how each is a failure in logic. (Note that some of this reasoning changed in 2013, which will be discussed later.) to continue 1 Like |
| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by Janosky: 11:39pm On Nov 15, 2024 |
johnw47:John W Copy copy thief thief, can't you for once acknowledge the author of your GIBBERISH? Oga, come over here and continue WAILING. |
| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by johnw47: 11:46pm On Nov 15, 2024*. Modified: 4:48am On Nov 16, 2024 |
Janosky:ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool lost fraud jw janosky my copying this info. isn't stealing, but you are forever the false accuser, of course: Rev_12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night. i gave the site the article is from "jwfacts..com" if that isn't enough for you, then to bad for you oh most queer and confused one 1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints you people claim to be Jehovah's witness, yet when you lie like this all over the place you make Jehovah Who you say you witness for, to be a liar you people don't witness for Jehovah. with all your lies, you are the devil's witnesses Rev_20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire 1 Like |
| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by johnw47: 12:00am On Nov 16, 2024*. Modified: 4:49am On Nov 16, 2024 |
Janosky:ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool lost fraud jw janosky i don't pay tithes to those men and no one man is controlling me like i keep saying; you cannot stop lying and falsely accusing like your daddy the devil, can you: Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Rev_12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night. lost false jw, you posted your lying and confused babble post twice, you are drunk you people claim to be Jehovah's witness, yet when you lie like this all over the place you make Jehovah Who you say you witness for, to be a liar you people don't witness for Jehovah. with all your lies, you are the devil's witnesses Rev_20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire 1 Like |
| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by johnw47: 12:24am On Nov 16, 2024 |
giving false prophecies and false date settings is not the religion practising what Jesus taught: Mat 7:15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. How 1919 is Derived; jwfacts..com 1. The "two witnesses" are supposed to parallel with the Faithful and Discreet Slave. ● Revelation 11 is the first mention of the two witnesses, and Watchtower matter of factly claims they parallel the faithful slave of Matthew. There is no reason for such a link, other than wishful thinking. 2. Watchtower uses 1914 as the starting point for the 1260 days, the year Jesus is said to have commenced ruling in heaven. ● 1914 is not Scripturally supported as the start of Jesus heavenly reign, a topic in its own right. 3. Watchtower commences the 1260 days of Revelation 11:2,3 in December 1914. (re p.164) It ends the 1260 days of Revelation 11:2,3 in June 1918. During the period spanning 1914 to 1918, the temple is trampled, supposedly prefigured by the 3 1/2 years between Jesus' baptism and his throwing the money changers out of the temple. (re p.32) In June 1918, Jesus came to inspect his earthly organisation, culminating with the Watchtower board of directors being put in jail. (re pp.164,167) ● Jesus rulership was said to have commenced in October 1914, but the 42 months/1260 days are said to have started in December. There was no explanation for the two month difference. This is simply overlooked, as Watchtower attempts to align a period of history that does not fit. ● 1260 days, 3 1/2 years or 42 months are all based on a 360 day lunar calendar, yet Watchtower applies it to a solar calendar. 4. After 9 months, in March 1919, the Watchtower board of directors were released. The 9 month period is based on the 3 1/2 days of Revelation 11:9-11. (re p.169) ● The 1260 days of Revelation 11 is said to be a literal 42 months, but the 3 1/2 days from the same passage is said to be figurative of 9 months. (3 1/2 years = 3 1/2 years … 3 1/2 days = 9 months) 5. This led to great fear amongst all other religions. (Revelation 11:11) "There were truly great convulsions in the realm of religion. The ground seemed to move under the leaders of the established churches as this body of revivified Christians got to work." re p.170 ● The release of Rutherford from jail was irrelevant to most people, and it can hardly be said that the result was that "great fear fell upon those beholding them." (Rev 11:11) 6. The release of the Watchtower directors from prison in 1919 is supposed to correspond with Jesus appointing the Watchtower Governing Body as his slave. "Anointed Christians who survived the testing period of 1914-19 were freed from the dominating influence of the world and from many Babylonish religious practices. The remnant went forward as a cleansed and refined people, willingly offering sacrifices of praise to God and having the assurance that they as a people were acceptable to him." Watchtower 1998 May 15 p.17 "In 1919 the cleansed slave class could look forward to ever-expanding activities." Watchtower 1993 May 1 p.16 There is no reason to think the release from prison of the Watchtower directors should indicate that Jesus had chosen them as his Faithful Slave. When they left prison, they continued preaching exactly the same doctrine as before prison, including the same falsehoods, such as that the end would arrive in 1925. The release of the Watchtower directors from prison in 1919 is supposed to correspond with Jesus appointing the Watchtower Governing Body as his slave. "Anointed Christians who survived the testing period of 1914-19 were freed from the dominating influence of the world and from many Babylonish religious practices. The remnant went forward as a cleansed and refined people, willingly offering sacrifices of praise to God and having the assurance that they as a people were acceptable to him." Watchtower 1998 May 15 p.17 "In 1919 the cleansed slave class could look forward to ever-expanding activities." Watchtower 1993 May 1 p.16 ● There is no reason to think the release from prison of the Watchtower directors should indicate that Jesus had chosen them as his Faithful Slave. When they left prison, they continued preaching exactly the same doctrine as before prison, including the same falsehoods, such as that the end would arrive in 1925. 1 Like |
| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by johnw47: 10:04pm On Nov 16, 2024 |
giving false prophecies and false date settings is not the religion practising what Jesus taught: Mat 7:15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. How 1919 is Derived; jwfacts..com "How long did this respite for the seed of God’s woman last? Revelation 12:6 says 1,260 days. Revelation 12:14 calls the period a time, times, and half a time; in other words, three and a half times. In fact, both expressions stand for three and a half years, extending in the Northern Hemisphere from the spring of 1919 to the autumn of 1922. This was a period of refreshing recuperation and reorganization for the restored John class. ... After 1922 Satan spewed out a flood of persecution against the Witnesses." Revelation - It's Grand Climax pp.184-185 Does anyone really believe that what happened to Jehovah's Witnesses in 1922, a period no one is alive to remember, is fulfilment of Revelation prophecy? Not a single step in the process above that is used to arrive at 1919 is at all compelling, most of the reasoning is in fact illogical or of no basis. The following table is taken from the Ministerial Training School notes conducted during the mid 2000's. In 2013, this teaching was simplified by removing 1918 from the equation. "To settle that question, Jesus began to inspect the spiritual temple in 1914. That inspection and cleansing work involved a period of time—from 1914 to the early part of 1919.[3] ... Endnotes:... Paragraph 6: [3] This is an adjustment in understanding. Previously, we thought that Jesus’ inspection took place in 1918." (Watchtower 2013 Jul 15 pp.11,14) The article explains that since Jesus cleansed the temple twice, it shows an ongoing cleansing work between 1914 and 1919. However, this does nothing to clarify why 1919 has any Scriptural relevance, as no backing is given to support how long the cleansing would be for. 2 Likes
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| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by johnw47: 9:08am On Nov 17, 2024 |
giving false prophecies and false date settings is not the religion practising what Jesus taught: Mat 7:15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. How 1919 is Derived; jwfacts..com Watchtower 2014 Nov 15 conjoins the 1260 days with the 3 1/2 days to arrive at 1919. "How long did this inspection and cleansing take place. It extended from 1914 to the early part of 1919. This period of time includes both the 1,260 days (42 months) and the symbolic three and a half days referred to in Revelation chapter 11." Watchtower 2014 Nov 15 p.30 This is nonsense, since Watchtower presents the 1260 days as literal, but the 3 1/2 days as symbolic, yet adds them together to support the period of time from 1914 to 1919. The timeline graphically highlights the discrepancy by a multiple of 75 in the time frame of the figurative 3 1/2 days and literal 1,260 days. The timeline does not provides a specific start and end date for the 1260 days, because they do not align with any specific occurrence, as detailed at 1260 days. 2 Likes
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| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by MaxInDHouse(op): 9:14am On Nov 17, 2024 |
They have used God's word to resolve all the disparities among themselves peacefully, stop the making, buying, selling and using weapons among themselves, divert their resources into the production of food and information materials and vow never to raise weapons against their neighbors or learn war anymore! Isaiah 2:2-4 |
| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by DoWhatThouWilt: 9:17am On Nov 17, 2024 |
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| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by johnw47: 10:06pm On Nov 17, 2024 |
DoWhatThouWilt:they rape their children, but boast about not raiseing weapons against their neighbours, they are a queer mob MaxInDHouse: They have used God's word to resolve all the disparities among themselves peacefully, stop the making, buying, selling and using weapons among themselves, divert their resources into the production of food and information materials and vow never to raise weapons against their neighbors or learn war anymore! Isaiah 2:2-4 1 Like |
| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by MaxInDHouse(op): 6:51am On Nov 18, 2024 |
They will love their neighbors as themselves and have loyal love among themselves! Mark 12:31; John 13:34-35 |
| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by johnw47: 7:57am On Nov 18, 2024 |
giving false prophecies and false date settings is not the religion practising what Jesus taught: Mat 7:15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. How 1919 is Derived; jwfacts..com Watchtower has greatly simplified its publications in the twenty-first century, and the effort it makes to justify 1919 is a case in point. The 2018 publication Pure Worship of Jehovah - Restored at Last! devotes a section to providing "evidence" that "God's people" were chosen in 1919. The book Pure Worship claims there is Biblical and Historical evidence behind the 1919 doctrine, yet no effort is made to present any Biblical reasoning for the year 1919, and the historical evidence is quaint at most. 1 Like
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| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by johnw47: 8:11am On Nov 18, 2024 |
giving false prophecies and false date settings is not the religion practising what Jesus taught: Mat 7:15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. How 1919 is Derived; jwfacts..com What Happened in 1919 Watchtower's other line of reasoning to support 1919 is historical, with the claim that it proved itself to have been chosen by Jesus as the only "clean" organization representing him. Watchtower teaches the group went into Babylonish captivity between 1914 and 1918. This culminated with the directors of The Watch Tower Society being sent to prison. "Modern historical evidence shows that during the world war of 1914-1918 the dedicated, baptized anointed remnant of Jehovah's Christian witnesses were brought into Babylonish captivity." Watchtower 1972 Dec 1 pp.724-725 Shortly after this, members of the Society’s administrative staff were arrested, and on June 21, 1918, they were sentenced to 20-year prison terms. The preaching of the good news came to a virtual standstill. Jehovah's Witnesses-Proclaimers of God's Kingdom p.211 In 1919, Jehovah released them. "1919 The Society’s officers and associates are released on bail, on March 26;" Jehovah's Witnesses-Proclaimers of God's Kingdom p.720 "Comparably, after a Babylonish captivity, the anointed remnant was delivered in 1919, and under the guidance of God's spirit, the once desolate "soil" of spiritual Israel has been cleansed." Watchtower 1988 Sep 15 p.15 The reason Jehovah supported the Watchtower leaders, as "proven" by their released, is because they were cleansed, wholly theocratic, and providing spiritual food. "This was especially seen during the World War I period. Jehovah, however, has cleansed his organization, and made it wholly theocratic." Watchtower 1971 Jul 15 p.437 “‘On arriving’ to inspect the ‘slave’ in 1918, Christ found a spirit-anointed remnant of faithful disciples who since 1879 had been using this journal [the Watchtower] and other Bible-based publications to provide spiritual ‘food at the proper time.’ He acknowledged them as his collective instrument, or ‘slave,’ and in 1919 entrusted them with the management of all his earthly belongings.” Watchtower 2007 Apr 1 p.22 There is absolutely no basis to any of these statements. There is no evidence of a selection by Jesus and no cleansing of doctrine. They still used the cross, celebrated birthdays and Christmas, and followed a body of doctrine vastly different to today. 1 Like |
| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by johnw47: 10:11pm On Nov 18, 2024 |
How 1919 is Derived; jwfacts..com If Jesus did inspect Watchtower in 1919, what he found was not a cleansed organisation teaching truth, rather his inspection would have revealed a group promoting that: The "Last Days" started in 1799 and the 1800s were the worst time period of all history Jesus presence commenced in 1874 Jesus had begun ruling in 1878 Armageddon had occurred in 1914 Blood was acceptable as food for Christians Jesus should be prayed to and worshipped, as well as Jehovah The Great Crowd were a heavenly class Birthdays and Christmas were acceptable celebrations The cross was on the cover of the Watchtower Teachings adapted from 1800's religious preachers and the Adventist movement, such as that pyramids and astrology supported 1914 Strong Zionist support for a new nation of Israel in fulfilment of Bible prophecy The Faithful and Discreet Slave was not the anointed, but rather Pastor Russell By current standards, in 1919 Watchtower was very much an apostate organization. giving false prophecies and false date settings is not the religion practising what Jesus taught: Mat 7:15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 1 Like |
| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by MaxInDHouse(op): 4:56am On Nov 19, 2024 |
In the end time God will send His Holy Spirit to help them so that Love, Joy and Peace will not depart from their gathering! Zechariah 4:6; Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3; Zephaniah 3:9 |
| Re: JW 031 The Broad Way Or The Narrow Where Are You? by achorladey: 6:31am On Nov 19, 2024 |
johnw47:The major reality Jehovah's witnesses all over the world have their brains manipulated not to think well about and eyes coloured not to see. The grand fraud and delusion put in place to make them believe a religious organization set up by a man and his associates in late 1800 is Jehovah's organization and only channel God is using to communicate grand lies and delusions 1 Like |
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