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Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by Judolisco(m): 9:23am On Nov 17, 2024
stevups:
Bishop Abioye goofed!
His loyalty was not reciprocated. Bishop Oyedepo played a serious politics on him
He didn't goof, are you saying he didn't achieve anything at winners?
Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by Frigga13: 9:28am On Nov 17, 2024
Nyanabo2:
I’m just now obsessed that he is a hyena in a sheep clothing. I hate it when Christian’s claim this holier than thou attitude. Each Pastor called by called is giving a Mission and a Vision.

Bishop Oyedepo mandate given to him by God is to liberate the world from the devil's oppression through the preaching of the word of faith.
Thank you .

This is what many Christian’s are yet to understand… and reason Christian’s call it “ God’s Calling”

He calls for them to deliver his vision according to his will.. all these are spread out in the Bible .. but most time ..reading that Bible is so hard .. so they just hear what the preacher man says .. and takes it .

Christianity is no joke .. but some humans has turned it to jokes
Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by Harddiskng(m):
jesusjnr2020:
I hardly heard him teach the antichrist prosperity gospel and its heresies about tithing as was the usual of David Oyedepo .
You believe the gospel of prosperity is anti-christ.

It is clear You are very delusional about your standing in Christ

Apart from the Spirit of error, operating in your mind, let’s see if you have any academic competence. Read the verse below out loud

Luke 4:18

The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free


Question:

If freedom is to prisoners
Recovery of sight is to the blind
What sort of “good news” is to the poor?

Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by Valeur: 9:32am On Nov 17, 2024
Which spiritual walk? Because he said he's discerning or because his moniker is jesusjnr?

You don't need to be too spiritual to know he doesn't know the difference between having preferences and being able to identify "why".

Babies use "feeling", mature people trust less in feelings but deal with understanding and faith.


No one has a "spiritometer" to Guage who is more anointed than the other. Discernment is to identify truth or lies.

What is important is do they teach the full counsel of God or not. Once that is settled, you identify your "tribe" meaning those you resonate more with you.

Charisma no be anointing .


The write up even shows the childishness.It's like saying because the Mango fruit you plucked yesterday is not as sweet as the one you plucked today from the same mango tree.
Incidentally both teach the same thing.
osuulola:
In this your highest level of spiritual walk where it's all about God - where did Oyedepo and Abioye become a interest.

Are they God? Focus na. Some of us on the lowest ranches are wondering why you're losing focus o.
Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by IyanAtiEgusi: 9:34am On Nov 17, 2024
jesusjnr2020:
Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifiled Under Oyedepo All These Years?

Despite hearing the name David Abioye for several decades, (which wasn't unusual being the second in command to David Oyedepo founder and GO of winners chapel), it was only recently after his forced retirement from the church, that I got to know what he looked like and also what he sounded like, and I must confess that in the few times I have heard him speaking, I have already been impressed with his level of spiritual depth and understanding.

It's profoundly strange that this was someone that was serving under David Oyedepo for so many years, yet I have never felt the same way about David Oyedepo despite hearing him preach countless times, including when I was still a member of CGM, and attended several annual conventions when he was invited as a guest speaker.

Even while I was yet a sinner and wasn't as spiritually discerning as I am now, but could still discern spiritually deep preaching and teachings from those which were shallow, I have never been impressed with Oyedepo's preaching or teaching, how much more after I have not only got saved but also born-again and begun to walk at the highest level of spiritual walk where it was all about God?


Yet I heard David Abioye speaking only a few occasions and was wondering if he was really the same person that was with Oyedepo all these years or if it was someone else.

It was indeed baffling and made me wonder if David Abioye's spiritual prowess and impact wasn't stifled all these years, and if it wouldn't have been much more beneficiary to God's Kingdom had he parted ways with the church much earlier, especially considering the way his loyalty and service to Oyedepo was being rewarded with retirement when he still had so much more to offer in the work of the kingdom.

He also appears to be thinking along these lines considering that he has already launched his own ministry shortly afterwards, so could it a case of waiting too long before doing the needful?

https://www.nairaland.com/8266565/bishop-abioye-begins-new-ministry


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y51et3odFCA

It's better late than never though, at least the world can finally get to hear and partake of the spiritual riches that David Abioye has got to offer without any more hinges.

God bless.
u still be sinner
no human stops being one
mumu
Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by chatinent: 9:38am On Nov 17, 2024
Basicend:
Dear Writer,

Spiritual authority and depth is earned tru the exact paths that God has put before you.

Skills, knowledge and spiritual gifts are not enough.

Many people like Bishop Abioye coz he seems humble, I believe that is one of the reasons why God allowed him to back Bishop Oyedepo for many years.

Bishop Oyedepo is an aggressive lion, and needs someone close with some calm, worded and balanced appeal to carry the ministry weight.

If Bishop Abioye is not called to patriach a ministry pathway by himself, he would not have gotten to where he is today.

It is only the hand of God that gives a voice and makes a man great. And this has to do with obedience to his will or burden.

* * Arguably, even the greatest man of God in Nigeria today, Pastor E.A Adeboye did not own a church. Not a single parish of RCCG belongs to him or his family. . but becoz he connected himself to God"s needed move for that season, his name was established tru God's name.

Whereas, God permitted Bishop Oyedepo and some others to create paths and establish churches directly.
Greatest man of God ko, greatest business man ni
Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by chatinent: 9:39am On Nov 17, 2024
All of them are still business men.
Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by MichaelSokoto(m): 9:41am On Nov 17, 2024
Judolisco:
It's jst like in the university, you have different teachers or lecturers and students have their favourites or preference .... U might not like a professor's way of teaching but that doesn't make d prof less knowledgeable......

The only issue people have is that why would bishop abioye and bishop aremu be retired and the General overseer, bishop Oyedepo remain as the G.O, despite being older than them.... And this has also been explained, they are following an operational guide.....

I also love abioye's teaching, he is popular and has a lot of followers, if he had started his own ministry long ago like enenche and others, he might not have been this popular... We can't tell.... But na church matter ino dey 2 chook mouth grin
u nor dey chook mouth but u don chook everything inside finish!
angry

Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by stevups(m): 9:42am On Nov 17, 2024
Judolisco:
He didn't goof, are you saying he didn't achieve anything at winners?
The way ministry is designed, Paul Eneche, Ibiyiome, are supposed to learn under the experience of Abioye but now Abioye will consult them, no matter what! I do not rule out his achievements, but one must know when to stop dancing. Can relate the story of Laban and Jacob? Jacob said " I have been serving you all this while, when should I prepare for my home?" To me, Abioye has a closed mind. The politics in the church is more than the politics in government. I studied church history, I can boldly tell you that Oyedepo also learnt under someone. Most of the people that desire absolute loyalty don't give it to others. Immediately I stepped into the Canaanland I could see there is a big problem on ground. In the next 10 years you will see, that many churches will spring out of winners.
Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by Judolisco(m): 9:44am On Nov 17, 2024
MichaelSokoto:
u nor dey chook mouth but u don chook everything inside finish!
angry
baba mi... Ino 2 chook mouth grin
Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by MichaelSokoto(m): 9:49am On Nov 17, 2024
Judolisco:
baba mi... Ino 2 chook mouth grin
I tot so too oo!
grin
Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by Judolisco(m): 9:50am On Nov 17, 2024
stevups:
The way ministry is designed, Paul Eneche, Ibiyiome, are supposed to learn under the experience of Abioye but now Abioye will consult them, no matter what! I do not rule out his achievements, but one must know when to stop dancing. Can relate the story of Laban and Jacob? Jacob said " I have been serving you all this while, when you I prepare for my home?" To me, Abioye has a closed mind. The politics in the church is more than the politics in government. I studied church history, I can boldly tell you that Oyedepo also learnt under someone. Most of the people that desire absolute loyalty don't give it to others. Immediately I stepped into the Canaanland I could see there is a big problem on ground. In the next 10 years you will see, that many churches will spring out of winners.
many churches have already sprung out of winners, also enenche and ibiyiomiye consider Abioye as a father..... You're right that Oyedepo is following a manual of many successful ministries including d catholics and that's why winners will continue to grow stronger after him.... They have a manual, they're following... If you're looking for a church that has order in Nigeria, living Faith should be number 1.....

Laban and jacob had an agreement... Go back and read the story
Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by MaddKingg001(m): 9:52am On Nov 17, 2024
Bahamas95:
I wonder wetin apprentice still dey do for oga shop for decades after he learn work finish. undecided
😂😂😂
Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by Kingosytex(m): 9:57am On Nov 17, 2024
FerrariE:
Oyedepos teachings Boring? You're a joker. What!!
May be na Pastor Chris's voice, steeze, and composure dey make me go gaga grin.
Been listening to that man for over 2 decades, I just like his personality.
Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by jaksmillioniar: 10:00am On Nov 17, 2024
Daniel058:
These are men of God I can comfortably listen to their messages

David OGBUELI

Arome OSAYI

CHRIS OYAHKILOME

MICHAEL OROKPO

JOHN ANOSIKE

FEMI LAZARUS

JOEL OGEBE
LAWRENCE OYOR

ISAAC EFFA
APOSTLE VICTOR



The one I can really follow their teachings re just 3 ,DAVID OGBUELI, AROME OSAYI AND MICHAEL OROKPO

I can't really follow motivational speakers,they will end up making me feel that God does not exist
why of all d pastor u put u Neva put any yoruba pastor
Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by Coldspice: 10:03am On Nov 17, 2024
jaksmillioniar:
why of all d pastor u put u Neva put any yoruba pastor
Femi Lazarus na wetin?
Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by giantstar: 10:04am On Nov 17, 2024
His words changed me totally at Living Faith Church Barnawa, Kaduna in 1997.
Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by Kingosytex(m): 10:04am On Nov 17, 2024
Basicend:
Dear Writer,

Spiritual authority and depth is earned tru the exact paths that God has put before you.

Skills, knowledge and spiritual gifts are not enough.

Many people like Bishop Abioye coz he seems humble, I believe that is one of the reasons why God allowed him to back Bishop Oyedepo for many years.

Bishop Oyedepo is an aggressive lion, and needs someone close with some calm, worded and balanced appeal to carry the ministry weight.

If Bishop Abioye is not called to patriach a ministry pathway by himself, he would not have gotten to where he is today.

It is only the hand of God that gives a voice and makes a man great. And this has to do with obedience to his will or burden.

* * Arguably, even the greatest man of God in Nigeria today, Pastor E.A Adeboye did not own a church. Not a single parish of RCCG belongs to him or his family. . but becoz he connected himself to God"s needed move for that season, his name was established tru God's name.

Whereas, God permitted Bishop Oyedepo and some others to create paths and establish churches directly.
The bolded is actually very funny grin

God permitted Oyedepo to open a church but not Adeboye cheesy
Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by Evidenx(m): 10:08am On Nov 17, 2024
jesusjnr2020:
It's a quite similar feeling I usually had whenever I heard Paul Enenche speaking despite hearing that Oyedepo was his mentor.

He appeared to have a different mindset from Oyedepo from the way he sounded and acted very differently apart from a few occasions.

I hardly heard him teach the antichrist prosperity gospel and its heresies about tithing as was the usual of David Oyedepo and that David Ibiyeomie )who has proven overtime to be a much worse version of David Oyedepo). Hence when I see them together I wonder how they possibly agree despite the glaring differences, however didn't allow that association to affect my opinion of Paul Enenche, because I am not one driven by personal sentiments but Truth.

However Paul Enenche left early to start his own ministry, which perhaps helped him not to be stifled as David Abioye, but to shone brightly and impact the worldore or less to the fullest.

So could David Abioye have also done same thing?

Going by what later happened to him (enforced retirement) despite his loyalty and unwavering service to Oyedepo ministry all those years, the answer is probably in the affirmative.

God bless.
Pastor Paul enenche have started ministry long before he submitted to bishop oyedepo, pastor Paul was brought up in deeper life,that's why his message doesn't really center on prosperity.

Also the former spiritual father of pastor paul enenche was abel damina. Although he doesn't want to be associated with him anymore.
Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by Nobody: 10:11am On Nov 17, 2024
jesusjnr2020:
It's a quite similar feeling I usually had whenever I heard Paul Enenche speaking despite hearing that Oyedepo was his mentor.

He appeared to have a different mindset from Oyedepo from the way he sounded and acted very differently apart from a few occasions.

I hardly heard him teach the antichrist prosperity gospel and its heresies about tithing as was the usual of David Oyedepo and that David Ibiyeomie )who has proven overtime to be a much worse version of David Oyedepo). Hence when I see them together I wonder how they possibly agree despite the glaring differences, however didn't allow that association to affect my opinion of Paul Enenche, because I am not one driven by personal sentiments but Truth.

However Paul Enenche left early to start his own ministry, which perhaps helped him not to be stifled as David Abioye, but to shone brightly and impact the worldore or less to the fullest.

So could David Abioye have also done same thing?

Going by what later happened to him (enforced retirement) despite his loyalty and unwavering service to Oyedepo ministry all those years, the answer is probably in the affirmative.

God bless.
So what are you looking for exactly?
Why are you doing amebo gospel?

Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by Daniel058(m): 10:14am On Nov 17, 2024
jaksmillioniar:
why of all d pastor u put u Neva put any yoruba pastor
An not interested in the tribe of the preacher my dear.


Maybe Femi Lazarus is a Yoruba name
Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by SmellingAnus(m): 10:15am On Nov 17, 2024
jesusjnr2020:
It's a quite similar feeling I usually had whenever I heard Paul Enenche speaking despite hearing that Oyedepo was his mentor.
.

God bless.
in what way is Pastor Ibiyeomie worse cos there is none of his services that he doesn't preach about repentance and leading people to Christ... Except you just watch cut and join versions of him.... That is not to say he is perfect but at least he warned us of the consequences of electing the wrong person... As fot Bishop Abioye, He is very sound... I first stumbled on his message by mistake cos I asked a winners member to send mp3 of Oyedepo's message, she ended up sending me that of Abioye and I loved him from that moment as a sound teacher years ago... Sorry for typos
Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by Evidenx(m): 10:15am On Nov 17, 2024
SouthSouth1914:
Never outshine your master
48 laws of power cheesy
Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by vincentont(m): 10:17am On Nov 17, 2024
Frigga13:
Thank you .

This is what many Christian’s are yet to understand… and reason Christian’s call it “ God’s Calling”

He calls for them to deliver his vision according to his will.. all these are spread out in the Bible .. but most time ..reading that Bible is so hard .. so they just hear what the preacher man says .. and takes it .

Christianity is no joke .. but some humans has turned it to jokes
This is one of the reasons I don't engage with christians blindly. All men of God that was called has a mandate given to them by God. That is why some churches has their Mandate for everyone to read. I remember when pastor adeboye said RCCG branches will be in every 5km or so, I said to myself then I don't think it's possible but look at what is happening. If God said it, He alone will perfect it.
Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by Huw(m): 10:18am On Nov 17, 2024
jesusjnr2020:
Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifiled Under Oyedepo All These Years?

Even while I was yet a sinner and wasn't as spiritually discerning as I am now, but could still discern spiritually deep preaching and teachings from those which were shallow, I have never been impressed with Oyedepo's preaching or teaching, how much more after I have not only got saved but also born-again and begun to walk at the highest level of spiritual walk where it was all about God?[/b]

God bless.
Highest level of spiritual walk...What's your name?

You can celebrate Gods' grace over David Abioye without this gibberish write up

God bless
Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by Evidenx(m): 10:19am On Nov 17, 2024
Daniel058:
These are men of God I can comfortably listen to their messages

David OGBUELI

Arome OSAYI

CHRIS OYAHKILOME

MICHAEL OROKPO

JOHN ANOSIKE

FEMI LAZARUS

JOEL OGEBE
LAWRENCE OYOR

ISAAC EFFA
APOSTLE VICTOR



The one I can really follow their teachings re just 3 ,DAVID OGBUELI, AROME OSAYI AND MICHAEL OROKPO

I can't really follow motivational speakers,they will end up making me feel that God does not exist
If you want to be forged into spiritual warrior,LISTEN TO APOSTLE AROME,KAI! THE MAN IS GOOD,HE DEMONSTRATE WHAT HE PREACHES.
Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by jesusjnr2020(op): 10:21am On Nov 17, 2024
Huw:
Highest level of spiritual walk...What's your name?

You can celebrate the Gods' grace over David Abioye without this gibberish write up
Ask the demons who are not as spiritual ignorant as you. They knew who Jesus was but the hypocritical pharisees didn't.
Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by Daniel058(m): 10:23am On Nov 17, 2024
Evidenx:
If you want to be forged into spiritual warrior,LISTEN TO APOSTLE AROME,KAI! THE MAN IS GOOD,HE DEMONSTRATE WHAT HE PREACHES.
AROME OSAYI is a Man of power
Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by blowjohn(m): 10:26am On Nov 17, 2024
Daniel058:
These are men of God I can comfortably listen to their messages

David OGBUELI

Arome OSAYI

CHRIS OYAHKILOME

MICHAEL OROKPO

JOHN ANOSIKE

FEMI LAZARUS

JOEL OGEBE
LAWRENCE OYOR

ISAAC EFFA
APOSTLE VICTOR



The one I can really follow their teachings re just 3 ,DAVID OGBUELI, AROME OSAYI AND MICHAEL OROKPO

I can't really follow motivational speakers,they will end up making me feel that God does not exist
Pastor Irene is very sound too
Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by jaxxy(m): 10:26am On Nov 17, 2024
I don't know why we overhype men of God to be bigger than what they actually are? These are men used by God due to the dedication to him like he wold to any other man who is dedicated to him.

And even with this it doesn't mean they are not human.

Now u a Christian are blaming Oyedepo for holding someone's gift back? Do u know how long he's been with Oyedepo? Probably 30 years or more. I'm sure if he felt uncomfortable he would have left.

Sometimes we say things and make cases and arguments out of pride or worldly attention/success standards. undecided
Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by Huw(m): 10:26am On Nov 17, 2024
jesusjnr2020:
Ask the demons who are not as spiritual ignorant as you. They knew who Jesus was but the hypocritical pharisees didn't.

Dogs and swines don't recognize spiritual quality so no surprises here.
Oh i offended your "highest spirituality"

Highest spirituality...Zero impact

Clown...that's what you're
Re: Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifled Under Oyedepo All These Years? by Evidenx(m): 10:29am On Nov 17, 2024
Daniel058:
AROME OSAYI is a Man of power
Absolutely.
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