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Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by OyinO: 4:52pm On Nov 18, 2024
Good development. The best news I've read in a long time.
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by Mervingreat: 5:23pm On Nov 18, 2024
BRAZIL932:
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E dey pain am come dey pretend. Stop bing coward it's not good for you.
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by Philosophic: 5:50pm On Nov 18, 2024
RealityOfReason:
You naive lots never cease to amaze me. You think the Judiciary and INEC will do better if they become independent? What would prevent them from constituting independent despotism at that time? After all, it's the same quality of humans governing us that are employed into INEC. How about we start with restructuring both the country and the moral character of the average Nigerian?
This Mirrors my thoughts

Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by Lookmun: 6:20pm On Nov 18, 2024
yemmit90:
Even if INEC and Judiciary are made to operate independently withiout imput of president, individuals in these sectors would still become gods and favour the highest bidders.

Until we remove the reason to steal or accumulate materials wealth or properties, an average black man will continue to exhibit corruption irrespective of the system involved.
I disagree.

The reason why things are getting worse in the system that you are familiar to is because the checks and balances that restrains excesses in governance are being destroyed. It’s because for a long time, in the system you are used to, reward and appointment has a lot to do with the executive arm. Why won’t the umpire be getting worse and worse in that situation?

If the executive have no business selecting and remunerating them, then there is still some hope that they will do the right thing. If on the other hand the executive appoints and rewards them, there is no hope at all.

Don’t justify the wrongdoing of executive meddling with INEC with the excuse that it won’t be better. I expect any responsible Nigerian that desires the best for his or her country to desire independence of the INEC. At least let’s try that since we have tried the other system for so long.
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by Lookmun: 6:24pm On Nov 18, 2024
Philosophic:
This Mirrors my thoughts
Let’s stop deceiving ourselves. You claim that the INEC will be no better if they appoint their leadership through a transparent process and if they are remunerated in a clearly defined process totally outside the jurisdiction of the executive. When have we tried it before to see if it will succeed?

So you think that executive choosing the INEC head and being heavily involved in their recruitment is better? In what way is it better please?
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by Lookmun: 6:36pm On Nov 18, 2024
I thought I had heard the worst when someone was trying to prove on nairaland that manual collation is better and more full-proof than electronic transmission. Now people are flying the kite that it doesn’t matter if the INEC remains in the apron of the executive. Since I can remember, the INEC has always been in the pocket of the executive and that’s why we see what we see today. Can we first try the system of independence of the umpire guided by the constitution and punishable by law if found wanting before you conclude that it wouldn’t work just because of who you support?

The implication of what we have is that the performance of the umpire would be determined by how desperate or tolerant the ruling party is to opposition. If the ruling party is not to keen on winning at all costs, then maybe you can see power being shared by the ruling party and the opposition party but God help you, the moment you have a ruling party that stops at nothing until they win by any means possible, some people need to realize that instititions are being destroyed. Be careful what you wish for because if you think that we have reached our worst in Nigeria, you are not thinking deep enough.

How do you think some of all these funny African leaders rule for 39 years straight? They broke down every institution and then it became possible. So if you think you are justifying broad day light wrongdoing because your favourite party - whether APC, PDP or LP is involved - then you have to have a hard look on yourself.
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by flyinnizam(m): 7:34pm On Nov 18, 2024
Tormentor001:
No make me vex just go back to sleep if u don't have something reasonable to type on here...
oga shut up...go warm ur eba chop...na only rigging Tinubu use win then u are delusional. Yorubas and hausas voted for him
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by flyinnizam(m): 7:34pm On Nov 18, 2024
Anyiamaka:
Who voted for Tinubu?

In 2015, I know my friends who voted for Buhari. In 2019, I know my friends who voted for Atiku. In 2023, I don't know any of my friends who voted for APC.

Tinubu simply stole the election. Unfortunately, he is now the president who is most clueless, most incompetent, most ruthless and everything has fallen under him.

He change 5 ministers recently. Why did he himself not resign? What is he waiting for to know he cannot do the job?
oga I am not jagaban supporter...na only rigging Tinubu use win then u are delusional. Yorubas and hausas voted for him
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by flyinnizam(m): 7:34pm On Nov 18, 2024
Chidera57:
U keep saying rubbish
..
Are u in this country self?
oga shut up...go warm ur eba chop...na only rigging Tinubu use win then u are delusional. Yorubas and hausas voted for him..if u don't understand comment keep kwayet
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by flyinnizam(m): 7:35pm On Nov 18, 2024
ufotunang:
..INEC chairman yakubu Mahmoud also helped Tinubu in winning the election
that's my point. people of voted for him also before inec chairman added his own magic
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by flyinnizam(m): 7:35pm On Nov 18, 2024
Saint99:
People voted for him quite alright but it was not proven beyond reasonable doubt that he won the election without the hand of Esau.
my comment is people voted for him...Yorubas and northerners voted for him
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by Anyiamaka: 7:38pm On Nov 18, 2024
flyinnizam:
oga I am not jagaban supporter...na only rigging Tinubu use win then u are delusional. Yorubas and hausas voted for him
Oga, if you believe the politically sophisticated North would vote Tinubu over Atiku, then you are most delusional.

The Yorubas are not worthy of my mention in this post or in any other post.
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by Chidera57: 8:13pm On Nov 18, 2024
flyinnizam:
oga shut up...go warm ur eba chop...na only rigging Tinubu use win then u are delusional. Yorubas and hausas voted for him..if u don't understand comment keep kwayet
Efulufu shey we de suffer am together..

U de ask mk I go chop eba lol..
Hunger never start with u..
Me de UK o, atleast I de see food chop
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by Tormentor001: 8:30pm On Nov 18, 2024
flyinnizam:
oga shut up...go warm ur eba chop...na only rigging Tinubu use win then u are delusional. Yorubas and hausas voted for him
You're truly sick upstairs and need a doc
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by flyinnizam(m): 9:07pm On Nov 18, 2024
Chidera57:
Efulufu shey we de suffer am together..

U de ask mk I go chop eba lol..
Hunger never start with u..
Me de UK o, atleast I de see food chop
oga face facts and stop being bias...people voted for tinubu rigging or not. if u don't get it den rest
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by flyinnizam(m): 9:07pm On Nov 18, 2024
Tormentor001:
You're truly sick upstairs and need a doc
u have not raised a valid point behaving like an ipob
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by flyinnizam(m): 9:08pm On Nov 18, 2024
Anyiamaka:
Oga, if you believe the politically sophisticated North would vote Tinubu over Atiku, then you are most delusional.

The Yorubas are not worthy of my mention in this post or in any other post.
oga tinubu didn't win most northern state. he just got 25% due to APC governors influence
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by yemmit90: 9:19pm On Nov 18, 2024
Lookmun:
I disagree.

The reason why things are getting worse in the system that you are familiar to is because the checks and balances that restrains excesses in governance are being destroyed. It’s because for a long time, in the system you are used to, reward and appointment has a lot to do with the executive arm. Why won’t the umpire be getting worse and worse in that situation?

If the executive have no business selecting and remunerating them, then there is still some hope that they will do the right thing. If on the other hand the executive appoints and rewards them, there is no hope at all.

Don’t justify the wrongdoing of executive meddling with INEC with the excuse that it won’t be better. I expect any responsible Nigerian that desires the best for his or her country to desire independence of the INEC. At least let’s try that since we have tried the other system for so long.
Read my write up very well, I only address the fundamental issue facing by black race (greed, which is embedded in our cultures and traditions). We are just deceiving ourselves if we think that an average Niegrian can manage power or do the right thing where he can do and undo.

No Nigerian or black man is free of corruption where he has a good chances of accumulating wealth or power to oppressed others. Until the reasons to steal is remove from our lifestyle in Africa, we may not witness a worthy development till the rest of time.

What are the reasons to steal,

1. Power to errect structures of any kind should be remove from individuals and vested in the hands of government or property management companies.

2. Government should ensure all group of adults in active age are gainfully employed and pay reasonable unemployment allowance.

3. Government much take good care of all children below 18 years and adults above 65 years of age.

4. Education must be free from elementary schools upto University level.

5. Heath care service should be almost free and health insurance must be subsidise by the Government.

6. Food must be the cheapest commodity in the market and cost next to nothing.

7. This may sounds strange to many but I can categorically say that SMSE as it being practice in Nigeria can not move us forward. The power to do businesses should be remove from individuals and vested in the hands of big companies that is capable of employing thousands of workers. Individual can start business but must be limited liability company that people would be able to buy shares.

If we can achieve the above points, especially 1 - 3, which i think is the core reason people steal at any slighted opportunity, Nigeria and Africa will witness a significant progress in short period of time. Besides, people tend to obey the law and be more patriotic when they have nothing to fear about their future or wellbeings.
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by Apel147(m): 10:51pm On Nov 18, 2024
And u think the right process is not the society but govt offices? From where do you leaders come from? Space I get.. our leadership is a reflection of how our society is! Let's stop pretending



Ironfaceman:
This is the way forward. An elected umpire and not selected. if INEC cannot elect it own official then transparency in future election is just a pipe dream.



Good men and women don't fall from heaven the are made via the right process on ground.
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by Inosky: 10:52pm On Nov 18, 2024
Divide this country or decentralize it, otherwise you can't outsmart corrupt politicians like T-pain. Corruption and criminality is deep-rooted and most at times it's defended on tribes and religion.
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by Ojiofor: 11:16pm On Nov 18, 2024
Reform INEC and judiciary or opposition boycott 2927 election.
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by Abee79(m): 12:23am On Nov 19, 2024
APC will not like this 😔💔💔💔
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by abysirius(m): 6:35am On Nov 19, 2024
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by Tormentor001: 7:08am On Nov 19, 2024
flyinnizam:
u have not raised a valid point behaving like an ipob
Mugu!!!
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by flyinnizam(m): 9:31am On Nov 19, 2024
Tormentor001:
Mugu!!!
ipob terrorist
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by Tormentor001: 10:09am On Nov 19, 2024
flyinnizam:
ipob terrorist
Stupidity in ur lineage not ur fault... You're just extremely stoopid
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by flyinnizam(m): 10:12am On Nov 19, 2024
Tormentor001:
Stupidity in ur lineage not ur fault... You're just extremely stoopid
ipob terrorist killing innocent people
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by Lookmun: 10:23am On Nov 19, 2024
yemmit90:
Read my write up very well, I only address the fundamental issue facing by black race (greed, which is embedded in our cultures and traditions). We are just deceiving ourselves if we think that an average Niegrian can manage power or do the right thing where he can do and undo.

No Nigerian or black man is free of corruption where he has a good chances of accumulating wealth or power to oppressed others. Until the reasons to steal is remove from our lifestyle in Africa, we may not witness a worthy development till the rest of time.

What are the reasons to steal,

1. Power to errect structures of any kind should be remove from individuals and vested in the hands of government or property management companies.

2. Government should ensure all group of adults in active age are gainfully employed and pay reasonable unemployment allowance.

3. Government much take good care of all children below 18 years and adults above 65 years of age.

4. Education must be free from elementary schools upto University level.

5. Heath care service should be almost free and health insurance must be subsidise by the Government.

6. Food must be the cheapest commodity in the market and cost next to nothing.

7. This may sounds strange to many but I can categorically say that SMSE as it being practice in Nigeria can not move us forward. The power to do businesses should be remove from individuals and vested in the hands of big companies that is capable of employing thousands of workers. Individual can start business but must be limited liability company that people would be able to buy shares.

If we can achieve the above points, especially 1 - 3, which i think is the core reason people steal at any slighted opportunity, Nigeria and Africa will witness a significant progress in short period of time. Besides, people tend to obey the law and be more patriotic when they have nothing to fear about their future or wellbeings.
The assertion “no black man/Nigerian is free from corruption” sounds like what a lady whose heart has been broken again and again might say that “all men are scum.” Neither of these hasty generalizations are correct. The fact that society has been getting worse and worse because the administration of justice and the system of law and order has been consistently broken down doesn’t mean that all Nigerians are terrible.

Back to your point, nobody is advocating absolute powers to anyone. We are simply saying let there be true separation of powers such that when A’s powers end, B’s powers begin etc etc. What we have today is a situation where the people that are supposed to check the powers of the executive are under his apron. Even if you have that system in the USA for decades, there will be a societal decadence in the USA. If you want to address fundamental issues, these are the issues to look at.

If the administration of justice and the system of law and order is non-existent in any place - Canada, Uganda or Mongolia - the effects are the same, it’s just a matter of time. So if someone is recommending that the electoral umpire is truly free from the aprons of the executive BUT STILL SUBJECT TO THE LAWS OF THE LAND, it’s only a fraudulent person that would kick against it.

All these things that you mention that government should start doing - free education, care for children and the aged, employment, etc. Why will the government do these things when they know that they have the power to elect themselves even though they failed during their tenure? If it was possible for a people to govern themselves without leadership, then there would be no need for leaders. If leadership is faulty in a society you cannot expect the society to function orderly. It’s just like parents that spend that have young kids but spend time in different ogogoro joints. If the children turn out irresponsible, it’s not going to be a surprise. If you are wondering why those children turn out as riff-rafts without addressing the root cause, it’s similar to expecting a good society from bad leadership.

Anywhere in the world, once the MSMEs are given support and an enabling environment, they grow and begin to employ more and more and contribute to the growth of the economy.

People steal because of all the following:

1. There is uncertainty about tomorrow
2. The opportunity arises
3. They know that if they are caught, so long as they have the money or connection to cover it up, they will likely get away with it.
4.
The first and second points speak to failure of government to provide a economic security to the populace in the midst of abundant God-given wealth and that’s why people try to get wealth at all cost and once the slightest opportunity opens up to be fraudulent, they grab it. The third point speaks to consequence management. People know that it’s who you know or what you have that determines the consequence for your punishment. In a society where enforcement of the law is based on what you have and how connected you are to the powers that be, how will people be motivated to do what is right? In fact some people that do the right thing get punished by the system and there is no reprieve for them. When you obey the law (as a female for example) and you are diligent in civil service but you are stagnant and yet your colleagues who warm the bed of permanent secretary are getting promoted, how do you want to advise such a person to do the right thing. If the leadership system is faulty, the society cannot be good.

In summary any attempt for change in society without leadership is a waste of time. Individuals don’t have state powers or instruments of coercion to enforce right behaviors but when the people that have these powers use it to acquire unusual wealth, amass more and more power, then you cannot have a good society.
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by Lookmun: 10:41am On Nov 19, 2024
Apel147:
And u think the right process is not the society but govt offices? From where do you leaders come from? Space I get.. our leadership is a reflection of how our society is! Let's stop pretending
We are not all bad. Many Nigerians are doing great and commendable things home and abroad. Individuals do not have state powers or instruments of coercion to enforce the right behaviors that will correct societal ills. If a people could govern themselves without leaders, there would be no use for leaders. A wise man said “everything rises and falls on leadership.”
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by Tormentor001: 11:03am On Nov 19, 2024
flyinnizam:
ipob terrorist killing innocent people
Na why u dey spend ur whole day on here as a jobless bast**d... Go get a job mofo
Re: Nigerians Intensify Campaign To Strip President Of Powers Over INEC, Judiciary by flyinnizam(m): 11:14am On Nov 19, 2024
Tormentor001:
Na why u dey spend ur whole day on here as a jobless bast**d... Go get a job mofo
this one na really mumu..
u open acc not long ago, u don spend 4days
..me open account since 4years na just 1month 26days. u be really ipob terrorist
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