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olisaEze:
Someone met humungous debts on assuming office. But he should accept that he’s part of the problem from the new loans spent on luxuries for the new monarchy, 14yrs after he left excess cash & no debts behind. It’s amazing how dumb some people are prepared to sound, not for a seat at the table but for droppings & leftovers.

Dont be silly. Akande never said Obasanjo didn't do any good or even that he was a bad president. He said, simply, and correctly, that Obasanjo helped to entrenched the culture of corruption that is so pervasive today.

Grow up!

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DeLaRue:
It is easy for an economic team to look strong when crude oil was selling for an average of over $90 per barrel for several years and your population is ten of millions less than it is today.

Put that Obj economic team in charge when a new government comes in at a time when the country was using about 95% of its revenue to service debts, food production was hampered by relentless insecurity, fuel subsidy was costing trillions of naira per year, creditors including China were no longer willing to lend the country money etc and you will find the so-called strong OBJ economic team are not strong at all.

They were just lucky the global economic tide (mainly crude oil price) moved strongly in Nigeria's favour at the time.

This is what happens when u don't do ur research properly but rely on ur admin machine propaganda or the nation papers....
For the benefit of those who may not research and swallow ur well intended lies,these were the average price of crude oil during Obj regime...

Uprightbabe:
Bitter truth.

Wetin u even Sabi...smh
Doubt if U were even born during the time of Obj

Sheuns:
You guys lie with so much confidence.

Crude price average between 1999 and 2007 was $44.23 per barrel and not 90 you mentioned. I simply used google to get the highest price of crude from 1999 to 2007 and calculated the average. You can as well go on and try that and show us how you arrived at $90

During Buhari’s 8 years crude oil average price was $64.1. In 2022, crude oil sold for as high as $100.

What did APC and Buhari do with all the money realized from crude oil sales as well as natural gas sales in their 8 years?

The Mugu you quoted will not respond to you. Very very daft zombies

Angelfrost:
Lol... Suddenly, Obasanjo has become an enemy to these Yoruba politicians.

But when he was insulting and writing letters casting Jonathan back in 2014, none of you people called him out.

If he was making sense then, how come now that Tinubu is in power, the same Obj is no longer making sense.

This idiotic tribal politics... What do you Nigerians really gain from it?!!

It's always used to defend their miserable stipends!

UltraSolid:
Bro, you must understand that some of these chaps you are talking to are ignorant, unexposed and low-ambition losers with their major aspiration in life being to wake, eat, have sex, gossip on social media, look for life-changing bit coin, harass ladies online, fuel their gen with cheap fuel etc, etc and life is wonderful.

That is why their sort praise Nigeria as great under Obasanjo whereas what others consider a proper nation is one where most gainfully employed folks can have all the desirables in life, like properties and vehicles bought with low interest loans etc, unlike Nigeria where even a 20 year old car is a luxury not availabjle to 90% of the population talk less of purchased property.

To make matters worse, their ignorance and low ambition makes them blind to known and established fact such as how fuel subsidy scamming was highest and most rampant under OBJ and his cronies who are now forming Saint today. There really is little hope for Nigeria unless her human resources improve drastically.


https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/3488-customs-fingers-olusegun-obasanjo-adamu-ciroma-in-fuel-subsidy-s.html?tztc=1

Honestly you have sum it up....it just appalling and disheartening that this younger people will argue with someone who know better instead of learning.

We are here today cos of yesterday mistakes.


I will appreciate your submission....infact we need more of people like you if we want a better tomorrow for this country.

olisaEze:
Someone met humungous debts on assuming office. But he should accept that he’s part of the problem from the new loans spent on luxuries for the new monarchy, 14yrs after he left excess cash & no debts behind. It’s amazing how dumb some people are prepared to sound, not for a seat at the table but for droppings & leftovers.

It is not about clearing off debts. Obasanjo laid the most destructive foundation which affects everything in Nigeria today. A fraudulent electoral system. Nothing is ever going to work when the people cannot elect whom they wish.

Obj messed up all our institutions and made himself a monarch instead of an elected president. He wrecked the judiciary, pocketed the legislature, oversaw the worst elections ever, treated governors like mere appointees, could not fix the power sector, and behaved like a one-man mafia. Obj was a destroyer of institutions. That's where we are today. His template is always there for anyone to copy. When Jonathan attempted to respect institutions, you people tagged him a weakling because someone before him had set a horrible example.

Unless you were not born then, Obj should only be respected as an elder and former president. He deserves nothing more. Obj does not have the moral ground to criticize a sitting president. He was worse! Don't you know what he did to those legislators who dared to probe his fictitious fraudulent power project? Obj should go and sleep. Was Nigeria any better under him? Petrol price increments, failed refineries, constant fuel scarcity were a daily dose in his tenure. Was there any Christmas season when fuel supply was not in sharp shortage? Obj ruined Nigeria, bro. He should apologize, not criticize. It's the sane thing to do.

As an elder and former president, I respect him. But he was a bad leader who should not be emulated.

jaxxy:
what is going on now isn't obasanjo's fault, obasanjo will not get everything right but yet he did better than those we have now.

is obasanjo supposed to get everything right or do everything for us? He only has 8 terms like every other president so he owes us no apology if we can correct and improve from what he left behind.

Obasanjo will tender no such apology. unless an apology for his imperfections but did obasanjo meet a perfect situation from Abacha's regime? Yet obasanjo left it much better than he met it why can't others do same?

And for people like us who were already in secondary school during 1999 we are asking how did he left it better than a Abacha

Which major road did he construct ??

Was power better under him than abacha regime

Did he fix refinery?? Were we not importing fuel under him

Petrol, diesel,kerosene price were increased under him...didnt oli maintain sang about it Didn't edris sing about the evil going on under him??
Didn't NLC shut down Nigeria many times under him??

Were militant in SS not kidnapping and bombing oil pipeline cos of his wickedness to them??

Was the price we were buying things in 1998 the same price we were buying things in 2007??

Even the so called debt he cleared many were forgiven and not that he paid them all off so ??


Most of you are just either naive or kids who know nothing about that man regime.

sevenhundred:
so you will blamed your grand father for your failures?

you are one of the stupid people I was talking about

Obj is not a saint but he is by far the best we have ever had since this our failing Democratic experiment. I remember it was during his time that a whole lot of government workers including lecturers had their salaries increased and suddenly many of them had a change in their finances with many I knew then buying cars. There was enough disposable income like someone rightly said and because he had a good economic team that had the likes of okonjo iweala, soludo and some other good economic eggheads from other parts of the country he was able to shield the country from economic collapse that consumed many countries then.
Buhari failed woefully and Tinubu is doing worse because they are playing tribal politics with our economy.
That Edun guy and the returnee Brazilian cardoso have been giving nothing but excuses since they took over.

Bobodee09:
And for people like us who were already in secondary school during 1999 we are asking how did he left it better than a Abacha

Which major road did he construct ??

Was power better under him than abacha regime

Did he fix refinery?? Were we not importing fuel under him

Petrol, diesel,kerosene price were increased under him...didnt oli maintain sang about it Didn't edris sing about the evil going on under him??
Didn't NLC shut down Nigeria many times under him??

Were militant in SS not kidnapping and bombing oil pipeline cos of his wickedness to them??

Was the price we were buying things in 1998 the same price we were buying things in 2007??

Even the so called debt he cleared many were forgiven and not that he paid them all off so ??


Most of you are just either naive or kids who know nothing about that man regime.

My question is what did Abacha do? was he not a fulltime criminal and dictator?

Go and cancel our foreign debts by forgiveness if e easy or sure for u.

U think Obasanjo na u mate?

jaxxy:
My question is what did Abacha do? was he not a fulltime criminal and dictator?

Go and cancel our foreign debts by forgiveness if e easy or sure for u.

U think Obasanjo na u mate?

Nah I can confirm am conversing with a kid.


Real wish seun can upgrade NL.

SmartyPants:
Dont be silly. Akande never said Obasanjo didn't do any good or even that he was a bad president. He said, simply, and correctly, that Obasanjo helped to entrenched the culture of corruption that is so pervasive today.

Grow up!

Pls goan check up ur country’s corruption index before and after Obasanjo left office. Funny thing there is, it’s those that claim veterans & assume moral superiority over the rest that have been talking crap like this consistently for the past decade, in support of the few ruining every gain democracy has made since ‘99.

Bobodee09:
Nah I can confirm am conversing with a kid.


Real wish seun can upgrade NL.

Like I said what did Abacha do? since we're in primary or secondary school during the time u should be old enough to state ur claims.

NL is were kids abuse the fathers in the name of anonymous.

olisaEze:
Pls goan check up ur country’s corruption index before and after Obasanjo left office. Funny thing there is, it’s those that claim veterans & assume moral superiority over the rest that have been talking crap like this consistently for the past decade, in support of the few ruining every gain democracy has made since ‘99.

Sir, was he corrupt or not? Did he help lay the foundation for corruption or not? If yes, is Akande wrong?

You're just beating about the bush aimlessly when the truth is staring you in the face.

mastermaestro:
It is not about clearing off debts. Obasanjo laid the most destructive foundation which affects everything in Nigeria today. A fraudulent electoral system. Nothing is ever going to work when the people cannot elect whom they wish.

Obj messed up all our institutions and made himself a monarch instead of an elected president. He wrecked the judiciary, pocketed the legislature, oversaw the worst elections ever, treated governors like mere appointees, could not fix the power sector, and behaved like a one-man mafia. Obj was a destroyer of institutions. That's where we are today. His template is always there for anyone to copy. When Jonathan attempted to respect institutions, you people tagged him a weakling because someone before him had set a horrible example.

Unless you were not born then, Obj should only be respected as an elder and former president. He deserves nothing more. Obj does not have the moral ground to criticize a sitting president. He was worst! Don't you know what he did to those legislators who dared to probe his fictitious fraudulent power project? Obj should go and sleep. Was Nigeria any better under him? Petrol price increments, failed refineries, constant fuel scarcity were a daily dose in his tenure. Was there any Christmas season when fuel supply was not in sharp shortage? Obj ruined Nigeria, bro. He should apologize, not criticize. It's the sane thing to do.

As an elder and former president, I respect him. But he was a bad leader who should not be emulated.

Guy that’s a load of gibberish u typed up there. The most important reason why OBJ is not and can never be compared with anyone the APC has ever produced is rather than him to play blame games like u lots have been doing since 2015, he got to work from day one and the country saw the gains immediately! The only reason Nigerians supported the APC in 2015 was because they said they’d eradicate corruption. A decade later the party is still explaining their report card rather than admitting they have failed in all indices! The fact that u even think Nigeria was worse under OBJ than the two calamities u are still supporting shows u were too young at that time to even understand what ure arguing about now.

Show us the statistics of the debt he met.
You IPOB are generally fools, so sorry to say cos you just had to deviate from what the man was saying.
Do you guys realize you have a brain up there?

olisaEze:
Someone met humungous debts on assuming office. But he should accept that he’s part of the problem from the new loans spent on luxuries for the new monarchy, 14yrs after he left excess cash & no debts behind. It’s amazing how dumb some people are prepared to sound, not for a seat at the table but for droppings & leftovers.

SmartyPants:
Sir, was he corrupt or not? Did he help lay the foundation for corruption or not? If yes, is Akande wrong?

You're just beating about the bush aimlessly when the truth is staring you in the face.

Nigeria did not start in 1999 and corruption is the excuse every military coup plotter in dis country has used. So clearly, corruption has been in Nigeria since before u were born. Now even if OBJ was corrupt, does it mean the present and the previous also must follow suit 14 yrs later? With OBJ’s "corruption" companies were pouring in with better job offers for Nigerian youths and our GDP soared. But with those u want to absolve of guilt, even the old companies have all fled & the economy has tanked. Now who’s dodging the truth between the both of us??

OBJ is one of the very few voices from Yorubaland that is devoid of lies and hypocrisy when matters of Nigerian state are addressed. The reason those that share the Emilokan DNA don't like and are always quick to insult and heap propaganda and manipulated narratives on him.

The other one is Ayo Adebanjo- the Afenifere chairman. These are detribalised and patriotic Nigerians from the SW.

The rest are consumed in the stomach-driven Amala and ewedu politics of the Adedibu, Saraki and Emilokan's dynasty. Their stock-in-trade is state capture and subtle manipulation and brainwashing of their deliberately pauperised followers.

Richtaiwo:
Obj is the recently adopted god of ipob miscreants. So, him accepting part of the responsibility is not even an issue. The issue is that before Obj will say pim, his new sheeples will quickly describe him as an infallible god that can never make mistakes.

This was their approach to Nnamdi Kanu's activities and recently to obifraud the agulu packaged fraud. As it is now, no one dares say gringory obituary is wrong in all these his desperate headless moves.

As noted recently, obifraud the religious bigot once condemned a well-known Christianity religious activities of night vigil, amazingly ipob miscreants unanimously agreed and clap hands for him and collectively insulted the living daylight out of churches and pastors.

Why are you people so economical with eh truth, that you like turning the truth upside down for no reason? Show me and the rest of the world where Obi condemned night Vigil. This is the modus operadi of you people fanning lie about and making it look as the truth. Obi said, going for night vigil from Monday to Friday lower productivity and that is the gospel truth. I am a christian, if I go for night vigil for two nights, I get off balanced in the office and I will be sleeping for most part of the day. Let alone going for vigil for 5 nights and still want to be productive in the office at the same time. Ironically, some churches hold vigils frequently and even make some workers to neglect their offices to attend to their programmes incessantly. I know in my office some people that don't come to office on Tuesdays and Thursdays just because of church programmes organized by some denominations in the city. Tuesday and Thursday that you suppose to the in the office contributing to what you're been employed to do, you absconded for a church programme.
The key problem of this country is that we have elevated religion above moral value and that is why the country is in a state of decadence and immoral living spread all over every aspect of our living.
You cannot say you're a religious man or woman but make moral and ethical living secondary. Our religion leaders are not also helping matter. You cannot be preaching religiosity and neglect righteous and truthful living. Religiosity wouldn't take anyone anywhere in life and the here after.

Now, to the main issue. No doubt OBJ has his own fair share of Nigeria problem but it wasn't monumental as we have it today.
Yes, OBJ approach to politics during his regime were brutal because it was more of a do or die affair and minimization of national and state assembly affairs, which Tinubu was also guilty of. Tinubu also monetized the Lagos state assembly to his favour and that was why he was able to removed two of his deputies with ease. The only governor in the history of governance in Nigeria that used three deputies.
Aside the above, OBJ also wasted out common patrimony on revamping the power sector which went down the drain till date but my big concern is, why are those involved not been tried till date? Very big question begging for an answer.
Aside these three issues, nobody can question OBJ or fault OBJ in other aspect. He was truly an administrator and was on top of his job, not the sleepy ones we have after him.

Meanwhile, as OBJ is owning up to his mistake, what have those after him done to correct the same mistakes? Till date, nothing. It has been from worse to worst scenario.
Is politics of do or die not still in existence till date?
Has the power sector improved significantly or more than such money not been spent since that time?
Or has the national or state assemblies not been hijacked by different government?
That OBJ started it should not be an issue but the issue should be why people after him not correct those issues till date?
I cannot say because my father is poor and I will remain poor till Kingdom come. That's just what you people want us to believe.

OBJ did his part and he wasn't a perfect president but he left a more robust and bright future country as at 2007.
Let those ruling own up to their maladministration and stop shifting blames because Nigerians have suffered too long. And you supporters should also place in perspective and apply common sense to issue. This country is ours, if it is good our unborn children will meet a prosperous country but if it is otherwise, they will meet it that way. Shifting blames is not what we need now but action to pull the nation out of the woods, as Obi, Kanu and OBJ are not the ones on the saddle of leadership.
If the kitchen of leadership of this country is too hot for them, they can do the honourable thing but following what the constitution says, resign.

UltraSolid:
Only clowns take OBJ seriously. Which Nigerian President, to date, has attempted to buy a third term in office as OBJ sought? That alone shows what OBJ is.

Snatching and running away with power through blatant rigging of elections is worse than trying to buy a third term after you have greatly improved the economy.

olisaEze:
Nigeria did not start in 1999 and corruption is the excuse every military coup plotter in dis country has used. So clearly, corruption has been in Nigeria since before u were born[b].Now even if OBJ was corrupt, does it mean the present and the previous also must follow suit 14 yrs later?[/b] With OBJ’s "corruption" companies were pouring in with better job offers for Nigerian youths and our GDP soared. But with those u want to absolve of guilt, even the old companies have all fled & the economy has tanked. Now who’s dodging the truth between the both of us??

And who said that?? Which of my statements points to absolving anyone of guilt? Which of my statements, or even those of Akande says Obasanjo was not arguably a good president?

Nigeria did not start in 1999 - nor did Obasanjo's presidential experience. He was there from the very beginning. A point Akande makes, that you're still falling over yourself trying not to see.

Do you lack comprehension or you are just doing this deliberately?

Bobodee09:
Many lies??

Same Obasanjo admitted to releasing 16billion himself should I provide you proof.

My question is very simple......which major road did he construct in 8yrs in the south?? Even the south west he come from this man didn't fix or construct any major road for 8yrs.

Why didn't he fix the refinery for 8yrs??

Nigeria democracy was an infant in 1999 and he lay foundation for everything we are experiencing today.

He allowed national assembly to fix there pay cos they wanted to impeach him and 3rd time ambition.

Election was do or die under him

Once you don't do anything he wants, he will fight you and make sure to get rid of you.
Governor were impeached by his order, a governor was kidnap by his order.

He conducted the worst election under him...there was even a slang of if you like vote ,if you like don't vote PDP will win.

Where the UBA Brothers not ruling the SE under him cos they were his boys.

The same man who was fighting the niger delta people and killing them ......wasn't under him militant started??

See only people who weren't born or infant 1999-2007 will even think of praising OBj

The 1999 constitution gave the National Assembly power to oversee its runnings. You expect the president to be the one to issue salaries to an arm of government that’s supposed to be independent? Do you even know that there are agencies saddles with fixing salaries of elected officials?

Where in the constitution does the president have power to impeach governors? Mention the governors Obj impeached. Also mention the kidnapped governor. Seems you know so much.

Also mention where and when Obj admitted or said that they spent $16bn on power during his administration.

Obj is 100X better than Tinubu, Bihari and the APC. There’s nothing you or anyone can tell me otherwise to prove that his administration was worse than these.

Is South west the only region in Nigeria that he has to do projects on? Do you know that Obj could have allowed telcos to have their hqs in Abuja but didn’t interfere? They’re all in Lagos because he allowed them to decide. Lagos enjoys this position till date.

SmartyPants:
And who said that?? Which of my statements points to absolving anyone of guilt? Which of my statements, or even those of Akande says Obasanjo was not arguably a good president?

Do you lack comprehension or you are just doing this deliberately?

Child, in 1999 I voted Olu Falae of AD/APP because he was a major part of NADECO. 8 yrs later I was grateful to God that OBJ won because hindsight wisdom is always the best! Ur apparent frustration & lack of decorum is indicative of the fact that u think politics is like fanning a football club, so ure quick to abuse like it’s Chelsea vs Man U fans. The results of ur foolish decisions are never ur fault but always someone else’s so u don’t ever get to learn. If u like start blaming from the colonialists, the fact remains that Argentina & Nigeria swore in their presidents in the same timeframe. But their report cards are not the same, because people like u would rather blame God sef than admit the role their ignorance has played in the current destruction of their country’s economy.

Richtaiwo:
Obj is the recently adopted god of ipob miscreants. So, him accepting part of the responsibility is not even an issue. The issue is that before Obj will say pim, his new sheeples will quickly describe him as an infallible god that can never make mistakes.

This was their approach to Nnamdi Kanu's activities and recently to obifraud the agulu packaged fraud. As it is now, no one dares say gringory obituary is wrong in all these his desperate headless moves.

As noted recently, obifraud the religious bigot once condemned a well-known Christianity religious activities of night vigil, amazingly ipob miscreants unanimously agreed and clap hands for him and collectively insulted the living daylight out of churches and pastors.

Everybody dey sleep but church wants to pollute the air with noise imagine beating drums, clapping, shouting in choruses of die by fire when i am just trying to catch sleep from a hard day.. christainity no go jere. Very babaric practices and una talk say na god una dey serve eni shorire gbogbo

olisaEze:
Child, in 1999 I voted Olu Falae of AD/AP because he was a major part of NADECO. 8 yrs later I was grateful to God that OBJ won because hindsight wisdom is always the best! Ur apparent frustration & lack of decorum is indicative of the fact that u think politics is like fanning a football club, so ure quick to abuse like it’s Chelsea vs Man U fans. The results of ur foolish decisions are never ur fault but always someone else’s so u don’t ever get to learn. If u like start blaming from the colonialists, the fact remains that Argentina & Nigeria swore in their presidents at the same timeframe. But their report cards are not the same, because people like u would rather blame God sef than admit the role their ignorance has played in the current destruction of their country’s economy.

Elder, but what is the meaning of all this now? You behave like someone that lacks comprehension that is why I asked - is that what is offending you? Grow up! Apparrently, if you were old enough to vote in the 90s, you must be old enough to call a spade a spade, making your displays here very confusing.

The question is, was Obasanjo part of the corrupt ones or not?? In your desperation to avoid being truthful, there is probably no bush on this planet you haven't beat about. Elder, why? Who are you fooling? Obviously not me... yourself then? Again...why??

I actually admire Obasanjo, and boldly procclaim him the best president Nigeria has ever had. So you see all that gibberish about football clubs is not something you got from anythign I wrote up there. You are only projecting your own infantile thoughts!

Nigerians are just dumb set of people, because OBJ did it, does that mean others must follow same trajectory?someone has to set good examples, during 2014 elections didn't GOODLUCK JONATHAN set a good example by conceding the elections to APC and BUHARI,what if he had refused as other party members told him to do, would APC had taken over.
Many Nigerians minds are dirty and evil and always laying references to bad examples and u all want Nigeria to be better?
It's a complete joke, better the country brakes up and every region and tribes goes their separate ways,
The region that wants to continue in its stupidity and nonsense thuggery and agbéró should be left to remain on that course

SmartyPants:
Elder, but what is the meaning of all this now? You behave like someone that lacks comprehension that is why I asked - is that what is offending you? Grow up! Apparrently, if you were old enough to vote in the 90s, you must be old enough to call a spade a spade, making your displays here very confusing.

The question is, was Obasanjo part of the corrupt ones or not?? In your desperation to avoid being truthful, there is probably no bush on this planet you haven't beat about. Elder, why? Who are you fooling? Obviously not me... yourself then? Again...why??

I actually admire Obasanjo, and boldly procclaim him the best president Nigeria has ever had. So you see all that gibberish about football clubs is not something you got from anythign I wrote up there. You are only projecting your own infantile thoughts!

"part of the corrupt ones", lol, Mr Admirer who are the incorruptible ones to start with?? Mr Proclaimant, OBJ is ur best president but u were just happily supporting those who wud use him to deflect from their failures. Goan change that ur moniker, it’s impersonation if ure really that gullible.

DeLaRue:
It is easy for an economic team to look strong when crude oil was selling for an average of over $90 per barrel for several years and your population is ten of millions less than it is today.

Put that Obj economic team in charge when a new government comes in at a time when the country was using about 95% of its revenue to service debts, food production was hampered by relentless insecurity, fuel subsidy was costing trillions of naira per year, creditors including China were no longer willing to lend the country money etc and you will find the so-called strong OBJ economic team are not strong at all.

They were just lucky the global economic tide (mainly crude oil price) moved strongly in Nigeria's favour at the time.

But you know you're lying about $90 per barrel crude right?

Laolu Akande, Ashiere, has your own boss apologised to Nigerians for the ruins and destruction they delivered during their calamitous 8 years?
Onikuuuure LAOLU AKANDE, Olorbiruku bast.......ard!