₦airaland Forum

casualobserver:
Sometimes it is best to ignore the poorly educated as it is not their fault but the fault of the system that produced them. Like I said most Nigerians speak English but do not understand English. Now they feel they know better than the people who own the country and the language and who invented the word.

What you have just displayed is your failure to understand English. I am an advocate for teaching Nigerians in our native language because they embarrass themselves when they speak in English. Because they use their native reasoning to interprete English words. Whereas I have said many times the English language is a very precise language.

If you did not leave somewhere to permanently settle elsewhere you are not an immigrant and the owners of the country and language will NEVER refer to you as an immigrant. Kemi was born in England therefore there is no issue of immigration. Your problem is you are thinking in your native language but do not understand English enough to express your thoughts in English. Roots and immigrant are 2 different things. By your uneducated unenlightened reasoning most White English people are immigrants. By your definition Boris Johnson is an immigrant, Prince Charles is an Immigrant. Clearly you don’t know the roots of the British Royal family are are German? You half-educated compound fooool

malali:
Stop celebrating your idiocy online.Kemi is a second generation immigrant and also a citizen. If she was born after 1983, she would only have been a second generation immigrant and not necessarily a citizen. Stop bamboozling electorate, because he is right. you need to get your facts in order.

A second-generation immigrant refers to someone born in the country to parents who are immigrants. In other words, their parents moved from another country, and the second-generation individual is a native-born citizen of the country in which they reside.

Here are some key points about second-generation immigrants:
• Parents’ Immigration: The parents of a second-generation immigrant are typically first-generation immigrants, meaning they were born in a different country and later moved to the country where their children are born.
• Born in the New Country: The second-generation individual was born in the country their parents immigrated to, so they are a citizen of that country by birthright.
• Cultural Identity: They may experience a mix of the culture and traditions of their immigrant parents’ country and the culture of the country they were born in.
• Language and Integration: The second generation might speak the local language fluently and integrate more easily into the social and economic fabric of the country, but they may also retain some language and cultural practices from their parents’ country of origin.

casualobserver:
I really hate eeediots disturbing my peace.

Her parents were not immigrants …that nullifies your entire argument. They never travelled to the Uk on an immigrant visa or settled in the Uk. We know they were not immigrants because her parents were working in Nigeria at the time and after she was born her mother returned to Nigeria and spent at least the next 16 years in Nigeria becoming a professor at Unilag.

Read the definition of an immigrant again. Emphasis on “permanently”

I don’t mind reading epistles if you have something sensible to say….not to disturb me just to prove you are an eeediot!!!

We really have an epidemic of Poor English comprehension in this country!!

malali:
You are definitely intellectually challenged or disable. I have attached a BBC write up where she is referred to her own background as an immigrant
Are you educated ? Did you find comprehension difficult when you were in school ?
Did you go to good schools ? Is it possible you ask for a refund of your schoos fees ?
Olodo ni e padi mii !!!

casualobserver:
You are stooopid. Keri is not an immigrant full stop. She is a she is a British citizen by birth. You cannot be an immigrant in your own country.

malali:
LOL....I see the problem.
Dead brain cells
BBC called her an immigrant on numerous occasions.
She is an IMMIGRANT with a British passport.
Her father was born in Nigeria.
All her grandparents and ancestry were buried in Nigeria.
You are deluded and disillusioned.

casualobserver:
Every organisation has incompetent people just like you.

Like I said the word immigrant is specific and technical. You cannot be an immigrant in your country of Birth. Stop trying to use Nigerian reasoning to interprete legal and technical terms. The word immigrant is precise and specific.

I like Keri left the Uk when I was 2 years old, when I returned to the Uk as an adult, despite traveling with a Nigerian passport (with a right of abode). I was actually told I was on the wrong queue and I was to use the queue for citizens.
Electorate
You are not an immigrant in your own country.

Heritage is a different matter, immigrant status has a specific and legal definition.



I will not respond to you or any of your sort on this matter anymore.

malali:
She is an immigrant, who was awarded a passport privilege at birth. This doesn't make her a citizen.

No, not everyone born in the UK before 1980 was automatically granted citizenship. The rules regarding automatic citizenship were more restrictive, and the laws varied depending on the individual’s background and the circumstances of their birth.



1. British Nationality Act 1948

• Before 1980, the British Nationality Act 1948 determined who was considered a British citizen.
• People born in the UK before this act were often considered British subjects, which was a broader category than full British citizenship.
• The act introduced the concept of Commonwealth citizenship, meaning people from countries in the British Empire could be citizens of both their home country and the UK.

2. Automatic Citizenship Rules Before 1980

• Citizenship by Birth: Individuals born in the UK before 1983 were not necessarily British citizens by birth. Instead, they were British subjects unless:
• One or both parents were British citizens or British subjects at the time of the child’s birth.
• Commonwealth citizens born in the UK could be British subjects, but not automatically British citizens.
• Statelessness: If a child was born in the UK to foreign parents and would be stateless (i.e., would not acquire any nationality at birth), they could be considered a British citizen.

You dont have facts to support, your lies.
Quote a verifiable British Law that states everybody born in UK is a British citizen.

casualobserver:
I have told you I am not responding to you but I will this once.

1:we all make errors so for credibility, first admit you were wrong and her parents were not immigrants, therefore she cannot be a 2nd generation immigrant. To show the world you are actually a reasonable person you need to admit you were wrong and not just quietly drop the matter because you were aggressive in your attack on the matter. That was the basis on which you came attacking me like a rabid dog and you have since moved on to she is the immigrant, which again I shall show you are wrong.

Conservative Party Conference (2020) Speech Excerpt:

In her speech at the Conservative Party Conference in 2020, Kemi Badenoch said:

“I am a child of immigrants, but I am not an immigrant myself.”

2: I never told you that “everybody born in UK is a British citizen.“. So stop inventing things that were not said…or you can pour egg on my face by showing where I said so!

3: as at the time Kemii was born she qualified as British citizen. All Nigerians at the time were British subjects. (This is the second time you have shown you don’t properly read or understand the evidenceyou post). It clearly states in what you posted with your own hands “ One or both parents were British citizens or British subjects at the time of the child’s birth.”This means she came into the world as a British citizen, that was the point at which her status was determined. As such she is not an immigrant. Unless you have evidence to show she became a citizen by naturalization. Otherwise she was born a citizen and a citizen by birth cannot be an immigrant in his country of birth.

4: get it into your thick skull, immigrant status and heritage are 2 different things. If you are born a citizen of a country you are not an immigrant! Why are you so thick?


Digest this for as many times as is required for it to sink in: “she came into the world a British citizen”. Stop using your Nigerian brain to interprete an English word into what you think it should mean. The word is an English word, the definition is there to see. End of discussion

Have a good day. It has been laid out before you anything else is a waste of my time and You shall be ignored henceforth.

malali:

Thats what she said with her own mouth. I don't understand why she will call her parents immigrants and you are hear barking that her parents are not immigrants.
Are they your parents ?

casualobserver:
After all your noise, after all your rabid dog foaming at the mouth attacks, see what you have reduced yourself to? “She said it with her mouth”….that’s now your defense? As if GEJ did not say he had no shoes or OBi he has only 1 watch? It never occurred to you she is playing to the gallery as a politician and the went on a psychological disarming of the British by calling herself an immigrant to soften their reception towards her? It never occurred to you? It never occurred to you the BBC reporter you quoted was misinformed just like you? You should have done what a properly educated person does……verify from the source. In this case the laws of the land and the dictionary.

What you did was the equivalent of going to town on beer parkour talk.

malali:
I report such posts as well.
We have jokes and then we have crossing the line.
Some people dont have the capacity to deliver a punchline
They just turn a little sarcasm to world war

malali:
How did i descend so low to even debate your type online ? That's why its risky talking to strangers online. If i had know that everything was not okay with you. Now you are using anecdotes you got from scratching your bum. You are now accusing her of lying about herself. And you are the only person that knows the truth about her.Calling what she said beer parlor talk without proof.
I would advice you never to discontinue your psych medications. Log off the internet , you dont have adequate mental health to be online.

malali:
You will remove your clothes and dance in the middle of the market, its just a matter of time....lol

casualobserver:
Yes!

Anyone who lived in Brtitain or regularly visited Britain especially London, Birmingham, Bradford in the 80s or 90s and steps foot there today can’t help but feel sorry for the locals. We have overwhelmed them….same thing with Lagos. Unchecked immigration by people with different social ethical and cultural values ultimately destroys that society. Usually the mass migration of a people to a place is because those people were incapable of managing their own societies and when they overwhelm the locals they bring that chaos to the new environment. Immigration only works when the immigrants are a controlled fraction of the society or it is a society like Dubai when you rule with an iron fist and there are restrictions on what immigrants can do and positions of authority they can attain.

Those who had never been may think they are paradises compared to where they are coming from but London is now a sheet hole and so is Lagos. Only those who lived in these places before the mass influx can recognize.

The main reason Britain still has some semblance of sanity is because it was a structured society before immigrants came in enmasse and they have not FULLY taken control of their institutions but they are gradually and they will in due course. First they start by taking over menial jobs, then professions and businesses, then politics and they will bring their ways and destroy it. Christian’s will start to fight Muslims. The minute an immigrant starts to asser that they have a right to their way of life as the detriment of your rules in your society is the day the clock starts ticking. I remmember about 2 decades ago when Muslim immigrants were assert g their rights to wear hijabs in schools and drive with Burkas. I said then Britain has entered once chance!

Recently there was a story of a Nigerian care agency that sent an unqualified nurse to look after a patient who died….sounds familiar? It would never happen back in the day but as soon as you put Nigerians in charge of these things their Nigerianess comes out. Same with the Pakistanis, the Arabs, Polish, Somalis, Ukrainians, etc. when I was in university we all knew which Indian doctors to go to to get a fake sick note for £10 because your assignment is late. You see that’s the cultural difference between an Indian and a Brit. A British doctor will not risk his license and reputation for £10….an Indian will!

Every group of immigrants in the UK come with their own unique assault against the system. You have the legitimate Indian doctors giving fake reports for a fee, You have the Indians running mortgage scams. You have the Somalis and their electronics and phone scams, the Nigerians with their credit card and benefit frauds etc etc. An immigrant will start with low paying jobs and eventually opens a small store, with card processing facilities. Instead of being grateful the society provided him a platform to own a business, he uses the store as a side hustle to launder stolen credit cards from fellow immigrants for a 50% fee. That’s what immigrants do! An immigrant gets a job in a bank, he becomes the insider to immigrant fruadsters. Every group of immigrants has at least one scam or assault on the system they are running ….It’s our way!! In the end the system is overwhelmed.

Maybe because I have British citizenship and can go and come as I please and also have no desire to live there again, I can say these things but if you let 1) the wrong type of immigrants 2) overwhelm your society, they will eventually destroy it.

Western society is dying, just think about it, the last 2 leaders of the Conservative Party were an Indian and a Nigerian. We are talking about the Conservative Party not Labour o!!!!

Gerrard59:
cc: RodgersAkpafu

We have got an interesting comment.

I have always argued that while immigration can be good for any society, not all immigrants are good. Every functioning society has to select the immigrants it believes are good to fit in. That a country's leaders are advocating for stiffer immigration policies does not make them racist. That even immigrants who have settled in the new country advocating for restrictive immigration controls do not make them "coons".They know why they left their home countries. The last thing they want is a replica. Recently, we had an MP called for blasphemy laws to be instituted in the UK. Before the turn of this century, that would have been unthinkable. The question is: why would an immigrant seek to impose his/her cultural beliefs in the new country? In my opinion, this can only be acceptable if the immigrant's home country is as good as the new one. A German seeking to impose German cultural practices in Japan is okay by me. But not a Somalian. Let the Somalian use that cultural practice to make Somalia be like Germany before I believe such practice is good for Germany. All cultures are not equal. Some cultures are more equal than others.

To be fair though, it is Karma if you ask me. Maybe in their next life, young Brits would warn their great-grandparents from invading other people's lands. The West has to engineer a new economic system that does not involve the pension system and involves less consumerism. Also, they need to increase their birth rates. Anything outside these would see the native population gradually reduce setting off tensions in the future. Most importantly, for their sake, they should ensure Africa becomes wealthy. A wealthy Africa would reduce illegal and even legal migration. No Thai or South Korean would emigrate illegally to Japan.

cc: IbeOkehie

RodgersAkpafu:
Though @casualobserver raised salient points as well Gerrard59

Bur that's a small angle to the picture

To add to what he said
the one that worries me very much is the number of immigrants driving on the road without passing their license tests here

I have almost been hit twice because a pakistani bastard cab driver ran a red light and almost hit me
The two cases were pakistani
Nigerians are doing same

I know two doing it. and I wished I could cast them...
That anyhow culture is a big issue I won't deny
it's a legitimate worry

Thank God for strong institutional framework in this country that keeps handing punishments
It needs to be toughened for sure

RodgersAkpafu:
Though @casualobserver raised salient points as well Gerrard59

Bur that's a small angle to the picture. To add to what he said
the one that worries me very much is the number of immigrants driving on the road without passing their license tests here. I have almost been hit twice because a pakistani bastard cab driver ran a red light and almost hit me. The two cases were pakistani
Nigerians are doing same.I know two doing it. and I wished I could cast them...
That anyhow culture is a big issue I won't deny
it's a legitimate worry. Thank God for strong institutional framework in this country that keeps handing punishments
It needs to be toughened for sure

descarado:
This is what we don't have in Nigeria. Strong institution.
Jonathan said something like this and they crucified it.
Country can only work if it has strong institutions else all humans are the same. It's just the institutions that makes humans behave

Gerrard59:
When this happens and immigrants or non-whites are the biggest culprits, Ndi lovey-dovey will scream that those laws are racist. Just as they scream that math is racist in California simply because the biggest scorers are Asians.

So-called liberals have an issue with laws governing a society. I dread to live in a society that has them as the majority.

RodgersAkpafu:
and casualobserver is a tribalistic motherfvkerrr
I said I'll add that

Gerra.rd59 imagine him bringing lagos into the mix

Lagos that has always been a shytehole
especially under criminal Tinubu

Okay, immigrants are bad and yoruba good

Why is ibadan, akure, ado ekiti, abeokuta and sagamu also sheetholes?

Or immigrants ruined that place top?
If anything, immigration is contributing to Lagos
Many people who come here build up here and are net contributors

Mugu thinking he is funky

Makamatic:
Kemi ' aunt jemima ' badenoch .. history and the universe would never be kind to you .. I find it sickening that Nigerian and African immigrants would go abroad and join Conservative or far right political parties like WTF you thinking , they be like liberals are supposed to work on the economy,improve security , reduce far left views, abortion , lgbtq not forgetting liberals makes migration easier . Blackie what's your business with all this shit Sellout just because you're an established migrant

Gerrard59:
I know that and saw it too but overlooked it.

I have come to realise that every human is tribalist/racist. But I prefer the racism of the white, Chinese and Japanese men. They developed their homelands with that racism. Also, they are wealthy on a global level. The worst form of discrimination is when it is done by poor people. Nah! One cannot be poor on a global scale and be a crude tribalist/racist at the same time. That is witchcraft.

RodgersAkpafu:
liberals are right

sometimes these measures are used as dogwhistles by the far right to do racist things

So a balance is needed
Stringent rules, but not used as a tool to be racist
I am the opposite
I can't live amongst conservatives far right nut jobs

That's why I live in the "red wall" area of Britain
Hasn't voted Conservative in 100 years
And we are doing fine

Gerrard59:
Yes, the rules are stringent. However, if the biggest group of rule breakers are Pakistanis and Nigerians, how is the rule racist? Why should it be looked at in such a way? Following rules is not a fun exercise, but for the sake of a functioning society, everyone needs to follow them. If the biggest breakers are Pakistanis and Nigerians, you punish them appropriately, not bending it because of their skin colour.

RodgersAkpafu:
and casualobserver is a tribalistic motherfvkerrr
I said I'll add that

Gerrard59 imagine him bringing lagos into the mix

Lagos that has always been a shytehole
especially under criminal Tinubu

Okay, immigrants are bad and yoruba good

Why is ibadan, akure, ado ekiti, abeokuta and sagamu also sheetholes?

Or immigrants ruined that place top?
If anything, immigration is contributing to Lagos
Many people who come here build up here and are net contributors

Mugu thinking he is funky

casualobserver:
It is always the hosts that feel the damage of uncontrolled immigration. We who know how Lagos was knows it is now a sheet hole, it is tooo crowded. People with different values are taking over our institutions and influencing them in ways that are alien to our culture. PTA, housing associations market associations etc. I make no apologies for my comment. It is even worse when the immigrants have no regard for your way of life and customs.

I make no apologies for my comments, those offended by it would not tolerate it where they come from. Unfettered immigration is destroying our society.