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Explore2xmore:
I wonder how you resorted to this.

The pleasure of Allah represents the ultimate aspiration for His creations. The essence of religion lies in obeying Allah and striving for His pleasure. This emphasizes that seeking Allah's pleasure is both the core principle and the ultimate aim of faith.

Please i will love short and straightforward answers because that's what no Muslim has ever given me back in Islam instead they often turn to stories which can't blur my sense when i'm inquisitive about something.
So answer these questions without delay!


[1] Did Muhammad seek Allah's pleasure?

[2] What assurance did Allah give Muhammad?

MaxInDHouse:
Please i will love short and straightforward answers because that's what no Muslim has ever given me back in Islam instead they often turn to stories which can't blur my sense when i'm inquisitive about something.
So answer these questions without delay!


[1] Did Muhammad seek Allah's pleasure?

[2] What assurance did Allah give Muhammad?

1) from the Quran, there's no definite answer for that, most of the supposed answer comes from the hadiths.

2) that he was a prophet🤕, that's why Allah said he should ask the people of the book if he doubted 🤔. And yet my Muslim brothers still call the bible corrupt, if the bible was used to reprove/verify Muhammad's visions by Allah then obviously the bible attains an higher role than the Quran.

Which leads to the famous phrase "if the bible is wrong then so is the Quran" and the "Islamic dilemma".

Gabrielshow24:
1) from the Quran, there's no definite answer for that, most of the supposed answer comes from the hadiths.
2) that he was a prophet🤕, that's why Allah said he should ask the people of the book if he doubted 🤔. And yet my Muslim brothers still call the bible corrupt, if the bible was used to reprove/verify Muhammad's visions by Allah then obviously the bible attains an higher role than the Quran.
Which leads to the famous phrase "if the bible is wrong then so is the Quran" and the "Islamic dilemma".

Please let him answer because i know the assurance God gave Jesus by reading two verses in the Bible:

“This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved. Listen to him.” Matthew 17:5

And Jesus assured his disciples saying:

"All powers in heaven and on earth has been given to me" Matthew 28:18

That's what made me leave Islam seeing there is no assurance of salvation but it's like my guy wants to challenge that so please allow him to respond!

MaxInDHouse:
Please i will love short and straightforward answers because that's what no Muslim has ever given me back in Islam instead they often turn to stories which can't blur my sense when i'm inquisitive about something.
So answer these questions without delay!


[1] Did Muhammad seek Allah's pleasure?

[2] What assurance did Allah give Muhammad?

Calm down.

1. Yes, the Prophet Muhammad pbuh upon sought Allah's pleasure throughout his life.

2. Allah provided several assurances to Prophet Muhammad pbuh throughout his life and mission.

Allah reassures Muhammad pbuh of the great reward awaiting the believers in Paradise with him having a distinguished rank amongst the believers.

Explore2xmore:
Calm down.
1. Yes, the Prophet Muhammad pbuh upon sought Allah's pleasure throughout his life.
2. Allah provided several assurances to Prophet Muhammad pbuh throughout his life and mission.
Allah reassures Muhammad pbuh of the great reward awaiting the believers in Paradise with him having a distinguished rank amongst the believers.

I'm as calm as ever!

So if Muhammad pleased Allah throughout his life and Allah assured Muhammad then why do Muslims have to pray for Muhammad and his household?

MaxInDHouse:
I'm as calm as ever!

So if Muhammad pleased Allah throughout his life and Allah assured Muhammad then why do Muslims have to pray for Muhammad and his household?

This is simply a sign of respect and love for him, as well as acknowledging the significant role he played in propagating the message of Islam

Explore2xmore:
This is simply a sign of respect and love for him, as well as acknowledging the significant role he played in propagating the message of Islam

So Muhammad who pleased your Allah and got assurance from your Allah still needs the prayers of people who are supposed to look up to his example for salvation!

Well that's not respect but lack of faith in your Allah Jehovah assured those following Jesus {Matthew 17:5} and Jesus assured those with him! Matthew 28:18

It's clear you people are taught to pity your prophet but Jesus doesn't need anyone's prayers neither his disciples because they've been assured of their salvation!

MaxInDHouse:
So Muhammad who pleased your Allah and got assurance from your Allah still needs the prayers of people who are supposed to look up to his example for salvation!

Well that's not respect but lack of faith in your Allah Jehovah assured those following Jesus {Matthew 17:5} and Jesus assured those with him! Matthew 28:18

It's clear you people are taught to pity your prophet but Jesus doesn't need anyone's prayers neither his disciples because they've been assured of their salvation!

For someone feigning concerns about non concise responses. Regardless of wheher prophet Muhammad pbuh is prayed for or not he is assured.

Gabrielshow24:
1) from the Quran, there's no definite answer for that, most of the supposed answer comes from the hadiths.
2) that he was a prophet🤕, that's why Allah said he should ask the people of the book if he doubted 🤔. And yet my Muslim brothers still call the bible corrupt, if the bible was used to reprove/verify Muhammad's visions by Allah then obviously the bible attains an higher role than the Quran.
Which leads to the famous phrase "if the bible is wrong then so is the Quran" and the "Islamic dilemma".

Here's another phrase you should consider. If the Bible is True then the Quran is equally wrong!

Given that the God of Israel along with His Son, Jesus Christ of Israel, only concerned themselves with the bloodline of Jacob — Jesus Christ is famously recorded to have declared that His Father— YHWH — sent Him only to the Lost Sheep of Israel i.e. the bloodline of Jacob, then Mohammed, a non-Israelite aka a dog, would never have been considered a believer by the actual people of the book since he, Mohammed, was not of the right bloodline.

Explore2xmore:
For someone feigning concerns about non concise responses. Regardless of wheher prophet Muhammad pbuh is prayed for or not he is assured.

You're lying to your own soul!

Davido gave Chioma his assurance before the whole world now how would you describe someone who feels like begging Davido to stick to his promise which he made publicly to Chioma?
Even Chioma can compel Davido to grant the request of someone else because of the love he has for her.
That's imperfect humans but you are saying God whose words has the greatest of all guarantee that you still need to continue pleading for Him to grant what He Himself assured His beloved prophet. Who are you and what pedigree do you have to intercede for God's prophet? Shouldn't it have been the other way around?
Ọmọ Muslims praying for Muhammad shows your faith in Islam is futile if you're still praying for the prophet who brought that religion!

MaxInDHouse:
You're lying to your own soul!

Davido gave Chioma his assurance before the whole world now how would you describe someone who feels like begging Davido to stick to his promise which he made publicly to Chioma?
Even Chioma can compel Davido to grant the request of someone else because of the love he has for her.
That's imperfect humans but you are saying God whose words has the greatest of all guarantee that you still need to continue pleading for Him to grant what He Himself assured His beloved prophet. Who are you and what pedigree do you have to intercede for God's prophet? Shouldn't it have been the other way around?
Ọmọ Muslims praying for Muhammad shows your faith in Islam is futile if you're still praying for the prophet who brought that religion!

Pathetic comparison because I expose you of being just a claimed Muslim who never new Islam?
Please show proof that prophet Muhammad pbuh is in need of our prayers.
You may take this up elsewhere let the OP have the honour of maintaining his actual thread.

Explore2xmore:
Please show proof that prophet Muhammad pbuh is in need of our prayers.

Yet you are all praying for him and his family!

Explore2xmore:
This is simply a sign of respect and love for him, as well as acknowledging the significant role he played in propagating the message of Islam

Ọmọ if this Arab man doesn't need prayers then why are you always praying for him when you go for salat nah?

MaxInDHouse:
Yet you are all praying for him and his family!



Ọmọ if this Arab man doesn't need prayers then why are you always praying for him when you go for salat nah?

Indeed you didn't understand before and are still incapable of understanding. Whether you send prayers to him or not he is already blessed.
We however do not exaggerate praising him as you have done with Jesus. How many people actually saw him when he returned to establish the Jehovah witness?

Explore2xmore:
Whether you send prayers to him or not he is already blessed.

This is a lie!

That's why you can't find it in any scriptures of the Hebrews where they are praying for dead people because it's the works they did while they are alive that will continue to be their lot afterwards, it's paganism that allows praying for dead people because they don't know what their gods could do about the dead.
If someone has been blessed by the Almighty God neither your prayer or curse can have any impact in the judgement of such a person.
You see this is the reason i found it really difficult to wrap that religion over my head because it makes no practical sense!

You say Muhammad has been blessed but there is no proof, he died through poisoning, all his children were killed in his life time, his followers later began fighting and killing one another after his death.
Please which of all these proves this Arab man had God's blessing?

You're free to close your eyes to the truth but you can't compel right thinking individuals to join you in your delusion there is nothing to write home about that man or his god.

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob declared that this people are blessed that's why the whole world including those Arabs wants to relate with them by force!

MaxInDHouse:
This is a lie!

That's why you can't find it in any scriptures of the Hebrews where they are praying for dead people because it's the works they did while they are alive that will continue to be their lot afterwards, it's paganism that allows praying for dead people because they don't know what their gods could do about the dead.
If someone has been blessed by the Almighty God neither your prayer or curse can have any impact in the judgement of such a person.
You see this is the reason i found it really difficult to wrap that religion over my head because it makes no practical sense!

You say Muhammad has been blessed but there is no proof, he died through poisoning, all his children were killed in his life time, his followers later began fighting and killing one another after his death.
Please which of all these proves this Arab man had God's blessing?

You're free to close your eyes to the truth but you can't compel right thinking individuals to join you in your delusion there is nothing to write home about that man or his god.

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob declared that this people are blessed that's why the whole world including those Arabs wants to relate with them by force!

Peak of hypocrisy.

MaxInDHouse:
Please i will love short and straightforward answers

Explore2xmore:
Peak of hypocrisy.

Who asked you to come for cross examination of religion so if you want to know what true faith is please explain without making comparison:

Tell me what appeals to you in the religion without making comparison and i will tell you what makes Jehovah's Witnesses appealing to any right thinking individual without making comparisons!

Yorimichi:
The Bible does not present a singular depiction of God. It presents numerous different and frequently contradictory depiction of God, And you can't just add them all together and look at the sum and have a fuller picture of God. You just get a tangled paradoxical mess.

What you can do to get a notion of a "God of the Bible" is negotiate with the the text, and center and prioritize certain depictions, and marginalize, reinterpret or outright ignore other depictions. And all of these is in the interest of making the text more meaningful or more useful for us within a given context or situation.

Which mean any "God of the Bible" that we fine is a situationally emergent, negotiated divine profile, because the Bible is not univocal.
it does not speak with a single unified voice, and does not present a single unified idea of God.

God(ELOHIM, YHWH) is truthful, righteous and holy. His ways nobody, including the chief of the devils, Satan knows. You know why? He is MYSTERIOUS!
IF you say God's word is not univocal(you already concluded anyway but your thought about him could change if you study the Bible with spiritual much insight), then he is not different from man, (including you) who lies even in many words.

The Bible does not present a singular depiction of God. It presents numerous different and frequently contradictory depiction of God, And you can't just add them all together and look at the sum and have a fuller picture of God. You just get a tangled paradoxical mess.
Pick the seemed unrepresented depictions of God in the Bible and analyze each with the Holy Spirit assistance. You can't do it without him. Check Acts 8:26-40.

What you can do to get a notion of a "God of the Bible" is negotiate with the the text, and center and prioritize certain depictions, and marginalize, reinterpret or outright ignore other depictions. And all of these is in the interest of making the text more meaningful or more useful for us within a given context or situation.
That's why you are flesh and blood! That's why you must not explain or talk about what the original intent of the word is not.

Yorimichi:
Thanks for agreeing to a civil conversation
now this is what i mean when i say " The Bible does not present a single depiction of God. It presents numerous different and frequently contradictory depiction of God," is simply as the words imply He is depicted differently across the Bible, for instance in Genesis 1:3 (. 3 Then God commanded, “Let there be light”...) He is depicted as an ever above distant God who commands things into existence and yet in Genesis 2: 7 (7 Then the Lord God took some soil from the ground and formed a man[c] out of it; he breathed life-giving breath into his nostrils and the man began to live.

8 Then the Lord God planted a garden in Eden,) meanwhile here is is depicted as a more grounded God who doesn't speak things into existence but come down to create them with his own hands from pre-existing materials. heck he even planted a garden in verse 8.
we see this throughout the Bible where in some context God is said to be all good and nothing evil can come out of him and yet in Isaiah 45:7 you God say he is creator of good and evil.

Thanks for agreeing to a civil conversation
now this is what i mean when i say " The Bible does not present a single depiction of God. It presents numerous different and frequently contradictory depiction of God," is simply as the words imply He is depicted differently across the Bible, for instance in Genesis 1:3 (. 3 Then God commanded, “Let there be light”...) He is depicted as an ever above distant God who commands things into existence and yet in Genesis 2: 7 (7 Then the Lord God took some soil from the ground and formed a man[c] out of it; he breathed life-giving breath into his nostrils and the man began to live.

God's word must be handled with delicacy! Genesis 1:3 it's a cap of Genesis 2:7 in conformity with your argument about who God is and his word. It depicts a finished work of God even IF HE DOESN'T SPEAK HIS WORD, HIS SUPREMACY AND WHO HE IS IS ENOUGH for HIS WILL AND PURPOSE TO BE DONE. Consider the ark of Covenant of God in Dogan's house. While Genesis 2:7 talks about a glimpse of the creation process. Consider the making of a vehicle!
Again, Genesis 1 as a whole depicts HOW POWERFUL GOD IS IN COMMANDING THINGS NOT SEEN INTO EXISTENCE. The Bible itself in Genesis 1 informs us of Creation of Adam from WHAT IS AVAILABLE (This is wisdom!) and Eve. What's more? You should understand that MAN IS NOT A FULLY COMPOSED SPIRIT BEING BUT RATHER A SPIRIT BEING IN A MORTAL HOUSE. He is an husbandman, a creator and A PORTAL! He decides what He wants to make and how he wants it be made. If we SEE HIM THUS, it is needless to parade God as inconsistent being in dealing with creation afterall He makes us self creators ourselves!

8 Then the Lord God planted a garden in Eden,) meanwhile here is is depicted as a more grounded God who doesn't speak things into existence but come down to create them with his own hands from pre-existing materials. heck he even planted a garden in verse 8.
we see this throughout the Bible where in some context God is said to be all good and nothing evil can come out of him and yet in Isaiah 45:7 you God say he is creator of good and evil.

God created both good and evil even before man's existence. Genesis 2:9 informs us about this. Why would the all knowing and loving God create such good and evil even before man came into existence? Do understand that evil had been present on earth before man's creation going by Genesis 1:1 and John 8:44! And who is that? Satan! He was defeated and thrown down to earth. Evil was not created by Him in heaven, His abode. Satan created one from HIS SELF WILL. Do understand that his defeat was before the creation of heaven, sky, firmament and earth!
Again, I was made to understand that MAN IS A PROJECT OF GOD JUST LIKE JESUS WAS WHEN IN HUMAN flesh. This means THERE IS A PURPOSE FOR EACH CREATURE EXISTENCE ON EARTH JUST LIKE EVERY HERB AND ANIMAL ON EARTH! Jesus was tempted by Satan himself as he did to Eve and Adam was romanced by his wife. Had he failed, it would have been the end of God's eternal plan. This is one reality about WHO GOD IS.
So, Isaiah 45:7 does not inform us about present creation of good and evil as at the time of the prophecy(prophecy speaks about the past, present and the future), it refers to Genesis 2:9.
In the same vein since evil is ever present before any of us were born, it does not MAKE sense to see God inconsistent in His words and evil as well. Since evil is ever present with us, we should not see Him as a wicked being like Satan. If He shows Himself as wicked, it means we ourselves have been wicked as rotten fruits which can't be eaten.

Kooyepeju01:
We were told not to question it's authenticity and written. So many contradictory verses in there are said to be "estacological dimension of the divine protocols". One day,our mumu go do!

Do know that God does not live in confusion in spite He covers Himself with darkness! You would understand "eschatological dimension of the divine protocols" If you have had an encounter with Satan himself for he knows the word!

Yorimichi:
The Bible does not present a singular depiction of God. It presents numerous different and frequently contradictory depiction of God, And you can't just add them all together and look at the sum and have a fuller picture of God. You just get a tangled paradoxical mess.

What you can do to get a notion of a "God of the Bible" is negotiate with the the text, and center and prioritize certain depictions, and marginalize, reinterpret or outright ignore other depictions. And all of these is in the interest of making the text more meaningful or more useful for us within a given context or situation.

Which mean any "God of the Bible" that we fine is a situationally emergent, negotiated divine profile, because the Bible is not univocal.
it does not speak with a single unified voice, and does not present a single unified idea of God.

What you've stated here is nothing but absolute fact and aptly put. When you look at the context of the creation of the texts - from writing to editing to redaction to copying - and the historical & cultural context as well as against the backdrop of the region of the ancient near east, there's no how one wouldn't come to that conclusion. Different authors covering different time periods, writing for different audiences trying to pass their own agendas and for distinct purposes.

This is not even considering the evolution of their beliefs from polytheistic to henotheistic to finally monotheistic. Also the coalescing or conflation of YHWH with Baal and the chief god of the cannanite patheon El. It results in different perspectives that are not univocal and can only be univocal by outright mental gymnastics and renegotiation of the texts and that's undeniable hard fact. Suddenly storm/warrior god YHWH, suddenly turns around to say he loves everyone after several genocides and becomes a god of love yet he doesn't change?! Its nothing short of mental gymnastics.

Even the creation story in Genesis depicts 2 different gods as its 2 different writers with different perspectives, which is why you find the details and order of creation in the first(Gen 1:1 - 2:3a) differs from thr creation story from 2:3b before they were conflated and passed as a singular story ergo lots of contradictions. The second story even gives god anthropomorphic features as i think you pointed out in another comment. The whole bible, same story plays out.

Lucifyre:
What you've stated here is nothing but absolute fact and aptly put. When you look at the context of the creation of the texts - from writing to editing to redaction to copying - and the historical & cultural context as well as against the backdrop of the region of the ancient near east, there's no how one wouldn't come to that conclusion. Different authors covering different time periods, writing for different audiences trying to pass their own agendas and for distinct purposes.

This is not even considering the evolution of their beliefs from polytheistic to henotheistic to finally monotheistic. Also the coalescing or conflation of YHWH with Baal and the chief god of the cannanite patheon El. It results in different perspectives that are not univocal and can only be univocal by outright mental gymnastics and renegotiation of the texts and that's undeniable hard fact. Suddenly storm/warrior god YHWH, suddenly turns around to say he loves everyone after several genocides and becomes a god of love yet he doesn't change?! Its nothing short of mental gymnastics.

Even the creation story in Genesis depicts 2 different gods as its 2 different writers with different perspectives, which is why you find the details and order of creation in the first(Gen 1:1 - 2:3a) differs from thr creation story from 2:3b before they were conflated and passed as a singular story ergo lots of contradictions. The second story even gives god anthropomorphic features as i think you pointed out in another comment. The whole bible, same story plays out.

i'm writing on the evolution and influence of the Babylonian Exile and its impact on Jewish religious precepts, hopefully it'll be ready by sunday

Captain4Jehovah:
God's word must be handled with delicacy! Genesis 1:3 it's a cap of Genesis 2:7 in conformity with your argument about who God is and his word. It depicts a finished work of God even IF HE DOESN'T SPEAK HIS WORD, HIS SUPREMACY AND WHO HE IS IS ENOUGH for HIS WILL AND PURPOSE TO BE DONE. Consider the ark of Covenant of God in Dogan's house. While Genesis 2:7 talks about a glimpse of the creation process. Consider the making of a vehicle!
Again, Genesis 1 as a whole depicts HOW POWERFUL GOD IS IN COMMANDING THINGS NOT SEEN INTO EXISTENCE. The Bible itself in Genesis 1 informs us of Creation of Adam from WHAT IS AVAILABLE (This is wisdom!) and Eve. What's more? You should understand that MAN IS NOT A FULLY COMPOSED SPIRIT BEING BUT RATHER A SPIRIT BEING IN A MORTAL HOUSE. He is an husbandman, a creator and A PORTAL! He decides what He wants to make and how he wants it be made. If we SEE HIM THUS, it is needless to parade God as inconsistent being in dealing with creation afterall He makes us self creators ourselves!


God created both good and evil even before man's existence. Genesis 2:9 informs us about this. Why would the all knowing and loving God create such good and evil even before man came into existence? Do understand that evil had been present on earth before man's creation going by Genesis 1:1 and John 8:44! And who is that? Satan! He was defeated and thrown down to earth. Evil was not created by Him in heaven, His abode. Satan created one from HIS SELF WILL. Do understand that his defeat was before the creation of heaven, sky, firmament and earth!
Again, I was made to understand that MAN IS A PROJECT OF GOD JUST LIKE JESUS WAS WHEN IN HUMAN flesh. This means THERE IS A PURPOSE FOR EACH CREATURE EXISTENCE ON EARTH JUST LIKE EVERY HERB AND ANIMAL ON EARTH! Jesus was tempted by Satan himself as he did to Eve and Adam was romanced by his wife. Had he failed, it would have been the end of God's eternal plan. This is one reality about WHO GOD IS.
So, Isaiah 45:7 does not inform us about present creation of good and evil as at the time of the prophecy(prophecy speaks about the past, present and the future), it refers to Genesis 2:9.
In the same vein since evil is ever present before any of us were born, it does not MAKE sense to see God inconsistent in His words and evil as well. Since evil is ever present with us, we should not see Him as a wicked being like Satan. If He shows Himself as wicked, it means we ourselves have been wicked as rotten fruits which can't be eaten.

Yes that would be the best path to follow if you are reading the Bible as a spiritual text but I am writing from a hermeneutic point of view which takes a more biblical scholarship path to understanding.
appreciate your contribution to the overall discussion
shalom

Lucifyre:
What you've stated here is nothing but absolute fact and aptly put. When you look at the context of the creation of the texts - from writing to editing to redaction to copying - and the historical & cultural context as well as against the backdrop of the region of the ancient near east, there's no how one wouldn't come to that conclusion. Different authors covering different time periods, writing for different audiences trying to pass their own agendas and for distinct purposes.

This is not even considering the evolution of their beliefs from polytheistic to henotheistic to finally monotheistic. Also the coalescing or conflation of YHWH with Baal and the chief god of the cannanite patheon El. It results in different perspectives that are not univocal and can only be univocal by outright mental gymnastics and renegotiation of the texts and that's undeniable hard fact. Suddenly storm/warrior god YHWH, suddenly turns around to say he loves everyone after several genocides and becomes a god of love yet he doesn't change?! Its nothing short of mental gymnastics.

Even the creation story in Genesis depicts 2 different gods as its 2 different writers with different perspectives, which is why you find the details and order of creation in the first(Gen 1:1 - 2:3a) differs from thr creation story from 2:3b before they were conflated and passed as a singular story ergo lots of contradictions. The second story even gives god anthropomorphic features as i think you pointed out in another comment. The whole bible, same story plays out.

just went through your profile and its enough to give a believer instant stroke lol
you seem to be an apostate ?

Yorimichi:
just went through your profile and its enough to give a believer instant stroke lol
you seem to be an apostate ?

You see we all ignored him yet you imagine that he is important enough to give us a stroke? Man, you love delusions.

Yorimichi:
i'm writing on the evolution and influence of the Babylonian Exile and its impact on Jewish religious precepts, hopefully it'll be ready by sunday

Looking forward to reading it, its quite an interesting topic.

Yorimichi:
just went through your profile and its enough to give a believer instant stroke lol
you seem to be an apostate ?

😅 Don't know why i find that word funny, i simply take facts, and data over dogma.

Dtruthspeaker:
You see we all ignored him yet you imagine that he is important enough to give us a stroke? Man, you love delusions.

You that convulsed over my mentions severally despite the silent treatment i gave you or do you need receipts to remember 😄

Lucifyre:
You that convulsed over my mentions severally despite the silent treatment i gave you or do you need receipts to remember 😄

How does this make sense?

Dtruthspeaker:
You see we all ignored him yet you imagine that he is important enough to give us a stroke? Man, you love delusions.

No soul is lost and to win them back to we must try to understand what made them left in the first place, don't you think?

Yorimichi:
No soul is lost and to win them back to we must try to understand what made them left in the first place, don't you think?

Whom God rejects can never be brought back eg Esau, Saul, Solomon etc

Dtruthspeaker:
How does this make sense?

Ah yes! Selective amnesia the ultimate tool in the arsenal of a dedicated hypocrite.

Dtruthspeaker:
Whom God rejects can never be brought back eg Esau, Saul, Solomon etc

we can not make bold assertions about God rejecting any of his creation