₦airaland Forum

Uncletony:
Our Igbo leaders should support the north on this.

Either Igbo leaders support the North on this bill or not. The North alone can kill the bill. The North has succeeded in suspended the bill, even after it passed the second reading in the Senate. Northerners in House of Reps didn't even allow the bill to be deliberated upon.


The North alone na ONE MAN MOPOL for this Country

shortIGBOman:
Seun, mynd44, nlfpmod rule 3



Are the North parasite? People just open mouth anyhow to insult the North cause we are on a faceless forum. Physically, you can not insult a common (Northern) Shoe maker you see on your Street. Talk more of the entire North. Na serious beating you go chop from any Northern Shoe maker you insult physically. Even if na for your village.

South East have been seating at home for years and Nigeria still function. If the North try to sit at home for an hour, this nation won't survive the economy implications. But you come here and call them parasites.

I am hoping the person means Northern politicians rather than Northern people. I think this is a fair assumption to make whenever you read anyone say North.

Of course some horrible tribalists mean North but you can't do anything about those. Thry will soon die of pain and bitterness.

tollyboy5:
It not beyond my mental capacity that my state produce the highest vat and get little or nothing for it

What about states that get to produce crude oil, their environment degraded, but they do not receive commensurate compensation for it? If the Tinubu government wants to do a holistic restructuring of this revenue-sharing system, they should ensure that each state gets what is due to it from crude oil, mineral resources, VAT, etc.

Wallade:
Seeing your statement in bold letters, I can conclude that you know nothing about laws and how laws are operated.

Do you even know the role of the judiciary when there are conflicting items in the law? I guess you don't and the most ridiculous assessment of you is that you seem not to care to know.

Anyway, that is your challenge, not mine.

Have a great day layman.

Thanks for this post.

I was wondering if I was going crazy reading people confidently write some of the stuff they are.

Constitution can be amended by "acts of Parliament" or whatever the correct term is.

NGO's can only act in an advisory capacity.

Wallade:
I read the section 162 especially the part you made the letters bold and the primary observation that I can see there is that the role of RMAFC is advisory.

To the best of my knowledge, Advise is not mandatory on the person advised especially when you are advising your boss - in this case,
RMAFC reports to the Executive Federal Government of Nigeria so that is the boss in the relationship between RMAFC and the Federal Government.

Is that contrary to what I have been saying earlier?

You're so far offpoint. What does the constitution mandate the president to do upon receiving the advice and who is giving the advice in this scenario now? What that section is detailing is the procedure for allocation of federally collected revenue. The revenue will be shared based on the advice from RMAFC which the president is to table before NASS for consideration. Even if the president decides to reject the advice, that's where it ends and not that another agency will bring its own advice. The advice comes BEFORE the bill can be tabled before NASS. That's what the section is saying

aswani:
I am hoping the person means Northern politicians rather than Northern people. I think this is a fair assumption to make whenever you read anyone say North.

Of course some horrible tribalists mean North but you can't do anything about those. Thry will soon die of pain and bitterness.

Are Northern politicians not humans? Do you know if I am also a Northern politician? The truth is this site is biased towards North. Everyone just open their mouth and insult the North and they won't get banned even when you report them.

Bobloco:
What about states that get to produce crude oil, their environment degraded, but they do not receive commensurate compensation for it? If the Tinubu government wants to do a holistic restructuring of this revenue-sharing system, they should ensure that each state gets what is due to it from crude oil, mineral resources, VAT, etc.

Is 13% oil derivative a joke to you?
Is river state that also benefit from the new tax bill not an oil producing state?
Won't it favor fubura who currently lacking allocations?

Wallade:
Yea

If that is true then many existing bills (laws) should not exist or be "null and void" simply because they have one or few items at variance or in conflict with the Constitution.

You are funny. If you are a lawyer, then I wonder what your views will be.

Anyway, na you sabi. Enjoy your day, I have other things to do.

You're simply ignorant. Go back to 162(2). These are the allocation principles that take precedence according to that section.
population,
equality of States,
internal revenue generation,
land mass,
terrain
population density.
From the above, you can't have 60% derivation as that will surely conflict with this section as well. Derivation is not listed as part of the major parameters.
Go and get properly educated man.
Good day

CodeTemplar:
I support his sack for not knowing how consumption tax is managed or its purpose. If it is for the consumer, who collects the tax for goods consumed beyond the shores of Nigeria?
How is the value-addition location rewarded for their efforts to poach investors, lost their land, culture, and values to foreigners? How do they get rewarded for production related expenses like order maintaining task forces(LAWMA and the likes), power, security, and infrastructure?

Everything is not about tribe and ethnicity bro. Logic should prevail atimes and here is one of such case. Even the money the Kano people are using to buy the final goods comes largely from the south so giving them a cut of what they spend is just rewarding them for buying local goods and not a sensible move. If they decide to ditch local goods not produced by their states, can they transport it through lagos by road and lagos will not toll them or can they provide the Forex?

the guy you are replying is not intelligent

HarunaWest:
The same democracy empowered them..stop talking gibberish....Its like usurping CBN or FIRS heads roles and you ask them not to speak out. Instead of us to build strong institutions, we keep building strong men. Nawa to una.

VAT isn't an issue on the exclusive list, it's under state purview.
If the NASS is unable to pass it, the Supreme Court will come to the rescue, it's just to bring up the Rivers/Lagos against the FG at the Supreme Court, at that point, nothing can be done, and the states will have the largest chunk

shortIGBOman:
Are Northern politicians not humans? Do you know if I am also a Northern politician? The truth is this site is biased towards North. Everyone just open their mouth and insult the North and they won't get banned even when you report them.

In the context of these discussions about Tax Reforms, Northern politicians are behaving selfishly in my opinion.

This site isn't biased against the North, there is a certain overtolerance for Obidients who are foul mouthed and quite frankly abuse and insult Yoruba more than the North solely based on President Tinubu defeating Peter Obi.

I am not blaming the Admin's though, it is hard work managing Obidients.

If you are a Northerner, I hope you stick around to engage in discussions instead of getting fed up like previous Northern posters and leaving.

Bobodee09:
Can CBN or FIRS threaten the executive and legislator??

Maybe you should read the post again.

Go and read all the nine pages before we begin to argue. The sensational ones were posted and everyone is already reacting to it. What the RMAFC did was to draw the governments ear and give advice on the best way to go. We keep allowing politicians to intefere into the affairs of our institutions. Look how docile and comical INEC has become. What the RMAFC reminded the executive was that some it is constitutionally empowered in regards revenue mobilization and fiscal policies and enactment. They should be carried along thats all.

HarunaWest:
Go and read all the nine pages before we begin to argue. The sensational ones were posted and everyone is already reacting to it. What the RMAFC did was to draw the governments ear and give advice on the best way to go. We keep allowing politicians to intefere into the affairs of our institutions. Look how docile and comical INEC has become. What the RMAFC reminded the executive was that some it is constitutionally empowered in regards revenue mobilization and fiscal policies and enactment. They should be carried along thats all.

Does reading the 9 pages change the fact he goofed and that the reason he clearing things??

Even in western word your don't threaten your boss even if it an independent body.

They are tired of and fed up with their jobs

Kukutente23:
You're simply ignorant. Go back to 162(2). These are the allocation principles that take precedence according to that section.
population,
equality of States,
internal revenue generation,
land mass,
terrain
population density.
From the above, you can't have 60% derivation as that will surely conflict with this section as well. Derivation is not listed as part of the major parameters.
Go and get properly educated man.
Good day

A semi educated person calling an educated person out to get proper education.

Hmmmm. Utterly ridiculous.

I got no time for you

Kukutente23:
You're so far offpoint. What does the constitution mandate the president to do upon receiving the advice and who is giving the advice in this scenario now? What that section is detailing is the procedure for allocation of federally collected revenue. The revenue will be shared based on the advice from RMAFC which the president is to table before NASS for consideration. Even if the president decides to reject the advice, that's where it ends and not that another agency will bring its own advice. The advice comes BEFORE the bill can be tabled before NASS. That's what the section is saying

Hmmm.

You are very funny. So you mean:
the RMAFC is the only one that can initiate a change of the Revenue Sharing Formula?

The RMAFC is superior to the executive federal government?

The committee comprising people selected but not elected to govern the affairs of Nigeria will dictate to the executive and legislative arm of government elected to administer the affairs of Nigeria?

You are such a joke.

shortIGBOman:
Either Igbo leaders support the North on this bill or not. The North alone can kill the bill. The North has succeeded in suspended the bill, even after it passed the second reading in the Senate. Northerners in House of Reps didn't even allow the bill to be deliberated upon.


The North alone na ONE MAN MOPOL for this Country

Exactly the way it is! Thanks for reminding us how dysfunctional and fake the country can get yet again.

HarunaWest:
Go and read all the nine pages before we begin to argue. The sensational ones were posted and everyone is already reacting to it. What the RMAFC did was to draw the governments ear and give advice on the best way to go. We keep allowing politicians to intefere into the affairs of our institutions. Look how docile and comical INEC has become. What the RMAFC reminded the executive was that some it is constitutionally empowered in regards revenue mobilization and fiscal policies and enactment. They should be carried along thats all.

Constitutionally empowered to do what?

Tell us what RMAFC is empowered to do by the Constitution?

Is it other than advisory? Advisory to who? Who does RMAFC report to by the Constitution?

Is RMAFC an executive body?

Carried along like a God or the boss or what?

Answer the question and stop deflecting

Uncletony:
Exactly the way it is! Thanks for reminding us how dysfunctional and fake the country can get yet again.

You think the bill is dead?

You will still be on nairaland when it is passed into law.

shortIGBOman:
Either Igbo leaders support the North on this bill or not. The North alone can kill the bill. The North has succeeded in suspended the bill, even after it passed the second reading in the Senate. Northerners in House of Reps didn't even allow the bill to be deliberated upon.


The North alone na ONE MAN MOPOL for this Country

You think the bill is dead?

You will still be on nairaland when it is passed into law.

Wallade:
Hmmm.

You are very funny. So you mean:
the RMAFC is the only one that can initiate a change of the Revenue Sharing Formula?

The RMAFC is superior to the executive federal government?

The committee comprising people selected but not elected to govern the affairs of Nigeria will dictate to the executive government elected to administer the affairs of Nigeria?

You are such a joke.

You're being purely sentimental now whereas you acted as if you're arguing from the point of law.

Firstly, the FEC does not have the power to determine allocation since it's an interested party. RMAFC acts as an autonomous body in that regard.

You reject RMAFC's constitutionally given power but you don't realise that CBN has been raising interest rates on loans taken in Nigeria including govt loans without recourse to FEC.

To apply your logic, CBN that's selected but not elected is dictating to the Executive how much to pay as interest on loans taken in the same Nigeria the executive is elected to administer?

Who is the joke now

Wallade:
You think the bill is dead?

You will still be on nairaland when it is passed into law.

Till then.

CodeTemplar:
The RMAFC man is obviously an ignoramus or tribal legend at best, parading as in intellectual. That it is called a consumption tax doesn't mean it is meant to serve the consumer or go to the consumer directly in anyway. It can still be collected at value addition location and reshared in Abuja, which is what Tinubu has done here. Let the ignoramus tell us who collects the VAT for good consumed outside Nigeria but within ECOWAS if the tax is for the consumer as they assume here.

It is a tax that should compensate whoever shoulders the burden of production or value-addition. It will be harsh to allow Lagos poach investors, create enabling environment, lost their land, culture, values to foreigners, suffer environmental degradation, provide supporting infrastructure like road, power, security and more, then you treat them equal with where the good are consumed because the textbook says VAT is a consumption (based) tax. It is collected from the consumer for consuming the value added unto the raw input but never meant for the consumer or her location.

It is like saying tolls collected in Kano for a road should go to Lagos or Rivers because the final destination of some of the passengers include Lagos and Rivers. The road is a service and is provided by Kano so why reward the destination of the passenger? What about passengers who end up in Ghana or Cameroon?

If we use this logic of the foolish and greedy RMAFC boss, states may be forced to collect it forcefully like that of a tolled road that serves interstate traffic and there will be chaos and rip offs because they will charge far higher than the flat rate FG is enforcing.

VAT is best managed centrally and redistributed to whoever is absorbing the impact of the value-addition within the value-addition chain accordingly. If nigeria must grow to become a hub where thing are manufactured and sold all over west Africa, this bill is good for rewarding value-adding states.

Correct. There ought to be an incentive for productivity.

Wallade:
You think the bill is dead?

You will still be on nairaland when it is passed into law.

The Tinubu version is dead. The one that will later be approved is the version with contents that is not anti-North. Tinubu's original tax bill is dead. Anyhow it is, the North will prevail.

aswani:
In the context of these discussions about Tax Reforms, Northern politicians are behaving selfishly in my opinion.

This site isn't biased against the North, there is a certain overtolerance for Obidients who are foul mouthed and quite frankly abuse and insult Yoruba more than the North solely based on President Tinubu defeating Peter Obi.

I am not blaming the Admin's though, it is hard work managing Obidients.

If you are a Northerner, I hope you stick around to engage in discussions instead of getting fed up like previous Northern posters and leaving.

Lol. The guy you're patronising has been opening moniker upon moniker to troll Igbo on this platform. He's the same as typing, almaiga etc
He's turned on Yorubas now because his brother is no longer in power

Kukutente23:
You're being purely sentimental now whereas you acted as if you're arguing from the court of law.

Firstly, the FEC does not have the power to determine allocation since it's an interested party. RMAFC acts as an autonomous body in that regard.

You reject RMAFC's constitutionally given power but you don't realise that CBN has been raising interest rates on loans taken in Nigeria including govt loans without recourse to FEC.

To apply your logic, CBN that's selected but not elected is dictating to the Executive how much to pay as interest on loans taken in the same Nigeria the executive is elected to administer?

Who is the joke now

Your argument is so ridiculous. CBN is an autonomous organization. CBN is not a committee; it is not under the direct control of the federal government with respect to monetary policy administration in Nigeria. Federal Government has the powers over fiscal policy. Go and read the CBN act.

You can't compare CBN with RMAFC. RMAFC is a committee that reports to the Federal Government and it's responsibility is primarily advisory. CBN is an executing body with autonomy as it concerns monetary policy.

What is sentimental about these argument that I presented?

Federal Executive Council and, National Assembly through legislative laws, can determine the allocation to Federal, State and Local Government based on lawful and approved template and ratio.

The role of RMAFC is advisory. RMAFC is not autonomous - please prove that I am wrong with facts and the law.

Don't keep telling me what you think without verifiable facts

shortIGBOman:
The Tinubu version is dead. The one that will later be approved is the version with contents that is not anti-North. Tinubu's original tax bill is dead. Anyhow it is, the North will prevail.

You have a serious Tribal Bigotry problem. Obviously, you are still fixated with the election that produced the president when a lot of us have moved on. You can keep lamenting and complaining, I don't care.

I have no time for you - ShortIgboMan

Wallade:
You have a serious Tribal Bigotry problem. Obviously, you are still fixated with the election that produced the president when a lot of us have moved on. You can keep lamenting and complaining, I don't care.

I have no time for you - ShortIgboMan

What is tribal in the North rejecting a bill that is meant to favour only Lagos and Tinubu? You are just pained that the North has killed Tinubu's tax bill.


You mentioned that I am pained about Tinubu's election. I am from the North and it's the North that made Tinubu President. I campaign and supported Tinubu even here on nairaland. But the entire North regret it's action and we asked God for forgiveness.

shortIGBOman:
What is tribal in the North rejecting a bill that is meant to favour only Lagos and Tinubu? You are just pained that the North has killed Tinubu's tax bill.

So the bill does not favor Enugu, Anambra, Imo, Ebonyi and others?

It does not favor Kano, Bauchi, Kaduna, Nassarawa, Kogi, Edo, Delta, Rivers, Always Ibom and other?

It does not favor every state and Abuja in Nigeria?

Tell what you even know about the Tax Reform Bills. I can bet you don't know anything about it other than what you have heard on social media and your hatred for Yorubas and particularly the Tinubu

Wallade:
Your argument is so ridiculous. CBN is an autonomous organization. CBN is not a committee; it is not under the direct control of the federal government with respect to monetary policy administration in Nigeria. Federal Government has the powers over fiscal policy. Go and read the CBN act.

You can't compare CBN with RMAFC. RMAFC is a committee that reports to the Federal Government and it's responsibility is primarily advisory. CBN is an executing body.

What is sentimental about these argument that I presented?

Federal Executive Council and, National Assembly through legislative laws, can determine the allocation to Federal, State and Local Government based on lawful and approved template and ratio.

The role of RMAFC is advisory. RMAFC is not autonomous - please prove that I am wrong with facts and the law.

Keep quiet and stop writing rubbish

Can CBN change the country's currency without Presidential approval? Does CBN autonomously decide to float or defend the naira without Presidential approval?

You think it is only the revenue allocation that is the work of RMAFC? Who fixes the salaries of all political office holders including the President? Is it not the same RMAFC? And for your info, RMAFC is a commission not a committee.

RMAFC is an autonomous body which works with even states and LGs. Check section 153 of the Constitution

FG and NASS cannot unilaterally change revenue allocation framework. Go and get yourself properly educated instead of blowing ignorant hot air.

You are just typing up and down out of ignorance

Kukutente23:
Keep quiet and stop writing rubbish

Can CBN change the country's currency without Presidential approval? Does CBN autonomously decide to float or defend the naira without Presidential approval?

You think it is only the revenue allocation that is the work of RMAFC? Who fixes the salaries of all political office holders including the President? Is it not the same RMAFC? And for your info, RMAFC is a commission not a committee.

RMAFC is an autonomous body which works with even states and LGs. Check section 153 of the Constitution

FG and NASS cannot unilaterally change revenue allocation framework. Go and get yourself properly educated instead of blowing ignorant hot air.

You are just typing up and down out of ignorance

RMAFC is a commission driven by a committee of appointed persons not elected persons.

RMAFC is not autonomous - show or quote the Constitution that says it is autonomous.

CBN consulting with the Federal Government on change of currency notes, floating or defending the naira does not take away CBNs autonomy on matters of Monetary policy. The consultation is primarily a courtesy and it is to ensure that the monetary and fiscal policies of Nigeria are synchronized to compliment each other and achieve best possible results in the interest of Nigeria. CBN autonomy is derived from the act that established it. Can you show me the word autonomy in the Constitution or act that established RMAFC?

Read more brother, I am waiting to hear your next line of argument