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nairamaniac:
They have both been in my top3 to Top5 in the last 20years

I can't directly compare both. Never.

Nas is inspired by both poetry and literature.

Eminem grew up wanting to be a cartoonisT, alot of people didn't know about this.

Eminem grew up writing stories about cartoon characters in his quiet times as a child, hence his flare for al those crazy things he says in his rap.

So why would i compare someone who is 100% serious to someone who is like 20% serious?

But one thing I know is that Nas definitely has more matured and human-concerning lyrics most times. Even more than Eminem.

But 2 basic things Eminem has more than Nas and maybe every other rapper that ever existed in our lifetime are CADENCE and RHYMES SCHEMES.


SEEE EHHHN, You see these 2 Eminem songs I attached here soooo.


No rapper ever in the history of rap, including Nas has ever ever ever ever had these sort of CADENCE in a RAP SONG


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8E3Dh-gfhM&pp=ygUTdGhlIHdheSBpIGFtIGVtaW5lbQ%3D%3D



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lexLAjh8fPA&pp=ygUTdG95IHNvbGRpZXJzIGVtaW5lbQ%3D%3D


Copy
Konquest

all right bro I'll listen to both of them

nairamaniac:
I'm just seeing this your post now now sooo.

Today sooo.

And you are Soo right.

Truely, rappers lyrics are a reflection of their environment, history and RACIAL-CULTURE.

And Eminem cants keep up with other black rap greats in that regard.

That's why in recent times we can all relate with DAVE(Nigerian British) rapper, cos his knowledge of his history is deep and he applies it sooo well in his songs.
Even if he's probably not amongst the best rappers.

Concerning,renegade; Eminem went all out crazy, poetic, religious, fantastic word play, more cadence than Jay-z, tooo good for Jay-z to handle, adhered more to the theme/purpose of the song.

And he's had some other songs as serious and touching on renegade's level. E.g Loose yourself.
Quite enough for someone who is not considered a true-rap-lyricslcist.

No matter how weaknesses, his strengths should place him on anybody's TOP-5.

The only crappy to me that is on Eminem's level of Wordplay&candence to me is THE NOTORIOUS BIG.

And BIGGY Probably has made the best RAP ALBUM EVER called LIFE AFTER DEATH.

That's the BIBLE OF RAP MUSIC.

Ok I agree with some of ur points.

But I beg to differ on these:


Bigge is a far better rapper than Eminem.
Big pun too
Big L too
Prodigy of mobb deep too
Cormega too
AZ too
GZA
Method man
Korrupt too



Life after death isn't the Bible of hip hop but 'illmatic'

It's not even a better album than it was written.

There are certain rappers that put less concentration on rhyming and more on content but end rhyming better than most rappers even with their use of big English vocabularies. Biggie, Nas, pun, Canibus and Nas fall into that category.

As far as renegade goes, I'll give it a draw.
Half the time Eminem was busy rhyming, jay was storytelling.

Pls listen to it again with the lyrics and try and see my point.
Where Eminem succeeded in creating awe with wordplay, jay succeeded in metaphors and life story whilst rhyming.



It's just like in Nas magic 3 album in the track 'never die' feat lil Wayne.

Nas goes into pockets of storytelling while rhyming. Meanwhile lil Wayne is busy rhyming the same assonance thru out his verse as if that will be the most impressive thing ever.



To be fair, Eminem cannot be in a top 5.

He has perhaps only 1 classic album( in a long list of albums)
Same reason jada kiss, despite his skill set is not a top 10 rapper... No classic album.
Same with Andre 3000, no classic materials. Just good or very good album

Bigggie, pac, jay, Nas, game, are all better suited for that top 5.


And yes, the game is a better rapper than Eminem in all honesty.

Eminem used to be my favorite rapper. Then I could rap all the songs on the Eminem show.
But later he started this annoying fast rap that allows him wander out of the subject matter and just be rhyming like an idiot.


As good as his rhyming is, he's nowhere big L, AZ or Nas or pun or kool g rap, (rhyming wise)


He has never made a song( actually no rapper has) like Nas take it in blood( part 1 and 2), memory lane or it ain't hard to tell.

Those are difficulty level A songs with brutal vocabulary.


Eminem is a beast. Just like Andre 3k.

But not a well rounded rapper like some of the greats.

blowjohn:
Ok I agree with some of ur points.

But I beg to differ on these:


Bigge is a far better rapper than Eminem.
Big pun too
Big L too
Prodigy of mobb deep too
Cormega too
AZ too
GZA
Method man
Korrupt too



Life after death isn't the Bible of hip hop but 'illmatic'

It's not even a better album than it was written.

There are certain rappers that put less concentration on rhyming and more on content but end rhyming better than most rappers even with their use of big English vocabularies. Biggie, Nas, pun, Canibus and Nas fall into that category.

As far as renegade goes, I'll give it a draw.
Half the time Eminem was busy rhyming, jay was storytelling.

Pls listen to it again with the lyrics and try and see my point.
Where Eminem succeeded in creating awe with wordplay, jay succeeded in metaphors and life story whilst rhyming.



It's just like in Nas magic 3 album in the track 'never die' feat lil Wayne.

Nas goes into pockets of storytelling while rhyming. Meanwhile lil Wayne is busy rhyming the same assonance thru out his verse as if that will be the most impressive thing ever.



To be fair, Eminem cannot be in a top 5.

He has perhaps only 1 classic album( in a long list of albums)
Same reason jada kiss, despite his skill set is not a top 10 rapper... No classic album.
Same with Andre 3000, no classic materials. Just good or very good album

Bigggie, pac, jay, Nas, game, are all better suited for that top 5.


And yes, the game is a better rapper than Eminem in all honesty.

Eminem used to be my favorite rapper. Then I could rap all the songs on the Eminem show.
But later he started this annoying fast rap that allows him wander out of the subject matter and just be rhyming like an idiot.


As good as his rhyming is, he's nowhere big L, AZ or Nas or pun or kool g rap, (rhyming wise)


He has never made a song( actually no rapper has) like Nas take it in blood( part 1 and 2), memory lane or it ain't hard to tell.

Those are difficulty level A songs with brutal vocabulary.


Eminem is a beast. Just like Andre 3k.

But not a well rounded rapper like some of the greats.

Biggie is not a by far better rapper than Eminem.
Neither is Eminem better than biggie by far.

Everyone has their subject-strenghts.

Some rap more about guns, some about women/sex, some about real-life happenings in the hood.

You can't say your class teacher that teaches you math is better as a teacher than the Bible-studies teacher becos the math teacher teaches a more life-enguaging subject.


U get my drift?


How well do they both adhere to their invidivual strengths while rapping?


As abstract as the lyrics are from Eminem, a listener can actually picture each millisecond of events he is trying to bring to life from his crazy/abstract world.

It's a very vague way to compare arts or other fields. Very vague.

You even added big pun, az, and kurrupt to the comparison.

These cats above are great, but when you compare include basic standards of requirements for comparisons, these other guys u added, would fall short.

1. Rhymes scheme
2. Number of popular albums. (Eminem had 4 or 5)
3. Which of those rappers broke in bigtime into other genres as FEATURED ARTIST?
None did it amongst those guys like Eminem did.
Eminem did it twice with Rihanna, once with Beyonce, Did it with Akon,
These 3 artist I put above here were probably the best/hottest artists in the world at some point that were not Rappers.

You get that?

Rihanna, Beyonce, Akon were at some point the hottest artists in the world at some point and their reigns at the top lasted for like a decade.

And Eminem had features that were hits with these three at their very peak.

Which of the artists you mentioned ever achieved this?

Or would you say *Eminem is a commercial rapper?*. Never.
Eminem never portrayed a clean image like Will Smith or MC hammer or heavy D.

Let's be honest, Eminem is more versatile than all those artists you mentioned.
Another factor to be considered for Comparison is VERSITILITY.
Eminem can change pace up to 5 times in one very song.

Most of those other guys would maintain one same-pace, all thru an album.

Seeee, ogaaa there is no rapper in the world that doesn't try sometimes to flow with the beats.

They may not try all the time, cos at times, they already have their lyrics written before the beats is produced.
But at times, the beats are already produced, then the rapper jumps on it to flow with the beats.

So let me tell you if few times some of these our favourite rappers tried to catch/match up with the beats.

Examples below:

1. Notorious Thugs (BIG feat. BONE THUGS & HARMONY)

2. IM INTO BIG THINGS. (By Nas. From the I AM album).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImnoGESKVZY&pp=ygUOQmlnIHRoaW5ncyBuYXM%3D

3. ONE MIC by NAS (FROM STILLMATIC ALBUM).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCOURZ-yx4E&pp=ygULb25lIG1pYyBuYXM%3D

4. I LOVE THE DOUGH (By BIGGY, feat. JAY Z).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4Lwjz2CAFI&pp=ygUOTG92ZSB0aGUgZG91Z2g%3D

NOw you see, all these other artist still try to flow with the beats (Cadence).

In as much as they try at times, did anyone of them do it at well as Eminem, when ever he wants to??

Never.

Now, to me: ILLMATIC is not my by best NAS albums for some very good points I would explain to you.

It may be his most classical albums. But not the best in totality.

The best should be STILLMATIC and I AM.
Why I say Soo is becos ils becos these very 2 albums I mentioned here had everything that ILLMATIC had, but ILLMATIC didn't have everything that STILLMATIC and I AM had.

ILLMATIC was had some strong Phylosophical lyrics but it was toooo one dimensional.

Almost all these songs had similar tempo.


Whereas STILLMATIC and I AM were both more interesting albums and still remains NAS's stronghold of being one of the most philisophycal MC's ever.


Was it not in That STILLMATIC that NAS had ONE MIC inside?

And there is no Rapsong ever made as intelligent as One Mic.
That was mathematics and science in a RAP song.
Go and listen to the second verse about JESUS.

Please, EVEN Jay Z's hood has since accepted that Eminem murdered Jay-Z in alllll ramifications.
Story telling ooo, rhymes oooo, punchlines ooooo, more-attractive rap voice/pitch.

Even if you want to give Jay-Z the win for story telling, would ignore other many many aspects for comparisons??

Please let's not be biased oe sentimental here.

Even canibus that was sooooo gud an MC, how many hit songs or hit albums did he make?

Okay you say "IN RENEGADE JAY WAS BUSY STORY TELLING AND EMINEM WAS BUSY RHYMING".
Okay let's do it this way:

FOR STORY-TELLINH, JAY-Z SCORED 70%.
FOR RHYMING, EMINEM SCORED 90%.
So who win for two of them strongholds?

Or did Jay-Z story-tell better than Eminem rhymed?

Please don't be bias or shift the goalpost to where it Favour's your excitement.

How can Eminem have one classic album?

So what happened to Slim shady LP, MMLP, Eminem Show and Encore??

Those are classics for true Eminem fans.

Another basics for comparison is who has more fans between Eminem and all those other rappers?


Even for the same BATTLE/BIF Rap, Eminem killed every black/white rapper that went against him.

Please don't let The game's own mother hear you say her son is better than Eminem.
Eminem is the Game's favorite Rapper's favorite Rapper.

How many Hit songs or Hit albums does THE GAME have?

The GAME did not even do better than 50 cents in that same AFTERMATH.

You can only say THE GAME is more HARDCORE than Eminem. That's allll.



Yeahhhh, same here, Eminem has not been rapping normally for some many years now.

He has taken the tongue twisting and unnecessary rhyming thing tooooo far.

Marc3500:
all right bro I'll listen to both of them

Okay. Let me know if you have listened to them.

Nas tried this same kind of thing in few of his songs. BIG THINGS (I AM album)

BIG did it in few of his songs.


And these are 2 great rappers above. None ever had a song that did it as well as Eminem in those 2 Eminem songs I mentioned to you.

Toy SOLDIERS by Eminem was pure drums. And Eminem rapped to every single beat of the Stick on the Drum.

nairamaniac:
Okay. Let me know if you have listened to them.

Nas tried this same kind of thing in few of his songs. BIG THINGS (I AM album)

BIG did it in few of his songs.


And these are 2 great rappers above. None ever had a song that did it as well as Eminem in those 2 Eminem songs I mentioned to you.

SOLGIER by Eminem was pure drums. And Eminem rapped to every single beat of the Stick on the Drum.

I've already heard the songs but I'll give my honest review
The way I am - 6/10

Toy soldiers - 6.5/10


I've heard soldier before it was average

nairamaniac:
Okay. Let me know if you have listened to them.

Nas tried this same kind of thing in few of his songs. BIG THINGS (I AM album)

BIG did it in few of his songs.


And these are 2 great rappers above. None ever had a song that did it as well as Eminem in those 2 Eminem songs I mentioned to you.

SOLGIER by Eminem was pure drums. And Eminem rapped to every single beat of the Stick on the Drum.

I've heard all these songs
And I'll give my honest review
The way I am - 6/10

Toy soldiers - 6.5/10

I've heard soldier before it was average

Marc3500:
I've already heard the songs but I'll give my honest review
The way I am - 6/10

Toy soldiers - 6.5/10


I've heard soldier before it was average

Well it still boils down to your subject of interest

I'm opened to any sub-sub-topic in rap. As long as it's Rap. Not Trap or modern day Melodic-Rap.

I appreciate a rapper just doing the best of his own strength

Will Smith not cursing.
LL Cool J, talking about Love and girls.
The hard core rap.
Party Rap
The Rap/R&B combo's
Then the abstract cartoonic from Eminem.

Seems you are more streamlined, which is also okay and good.

nairamaniac:
Well it still boils down to your subject of interest

I'm opened to any sub-sub-topic in rap. As long as it's Rap. Not Trap or modern day Melodic-Rap.

I appreciate a rapper just doing the best of his own strength

Will Smith not cursing.
LL Cool J, talking about Love and girls.
The hard core rap.
Party Rap
The Rap/R&B combo's
Then the abstract cartoonic from Eminem.

Seems you are more streamlined, which is also okay and good.

nigga u don't like Trap🤨
U also don't like melodic rap
So what kind of hip hop do you listen to
There is no such thing as party rap
LL cool J does more of pop music than hip hop

Marc3500:
nigga u don't like Trap🤨
U also don't like melodic rap
So what kind of hip hop do you listen to
There is no such thing as party rap
LL cool J does more of pop music than hip hop

I don't like trap at all at all.

I don't sooo much mind the melodic rap tho.

Lil Durk and the likes.

I orefare when they are featured though or when they feature someone else.

LL is hip-hop. He raps, doesn't he?

nairamaniac:
I don't like trap at all at all.

I don't sooo much mind the melodic rap tho.

Lil Durk and the likes.

I orefare when they are featured though or when they feature someone else.

LL is hip-hop. He raps, doesn't he?

melodic rap is the best version of rap
I don't like lil Durk either those rappers are wack
Listen to
Kendrick Lamar
Drake
Travis Scott
J Cole
Kanye west
Future
Logic
And Tyler the creator is on fire now

And as for LL cool J he is both a rapper and a singer
He mixes pop with hip hop
Most of his hit songs are mostly pop music similar to drake

And also try listening to lil Wayne and 50 cent classics

Marc3500:
melodic rap is the best version of rap
I don't like lil Durk either those rappers are wack
Listen to
Kendrick Lamar
Drake
Travis Scott
J Cole
Kanye west
Future
Logic
And Tyler the creator is on fire now

And as for LL cool J he is both a rapper and a singer
He mixes pop with hip hop
Most of his hit songs are mostly pop music similar to drake

And also try listening to lil Wayne and 50 cent classics

I like Lil Durk.

U are right, melodic-rap should be the best version of rap in recent-years.

And funny enough, most times the best rap song for each years in recent times are melodic-rap.

ALL MY LIFE, by Lil Durk Ft. Jcole comes to mind. They both killed their verses.

Also loved WANT IT ALL (Burna boy Ft. Polo G.). Polo G killed his verse like always.

LL Kool J has nice punchlines you could woo any girl with.

He only sings in Rap Choruses. He's not really like Drake. Cos Drake actually has songs he sings all thru.

nairamaniac:
I like Lil Durk.

U are right, melodic-rap should be the best version of rap in recent-years.

And funny enough, most times the best rap song for each years in recent times are melodic-rap.

ALL MY LIFE, by Lil Durk Ft. Jcole comes to mind. They both killed their verses.

Also loved WANT IT ALL (Burna boy Ft. Polo G.). Polo G killed his verse like always.

LL Kool J has nice punchlines you could woo any girl with.

He only sings in Rap Choruses. He's not really like Drake. Cos Drake actually has songs he sings all thru.

ok cool
Listen to the rappers I told you to listen to
I don't like lil Durk tbh he is kinda wack

nairamaniac:
Biggie is not a by far better rapper than Eminem.
Neither is Eminem better than biggie by far.

Everyone has their subject-strenghts.

Some rap more about guns, some about women/sex, some about real-life happenings in the hood.

You can't say your class teacher that teaches you math is better as a teacher than the Bible-studies teacher becos the math teacher teaches a more life-enguaging subject.


U get my drift?


How well do they both adhere to their invidivual strengths while rapping?


As abstract as the lyrics are from Eminem, a listener can actually picture each millisecond of events he is trying to bring to life from his crazy/abstract world.

It's a very vague way to compare arts or other fields. Very vague.

You even added big pun, az, and kurrupt to the comparison.

These cats above are great, but when you compare include basic standards of requirements for comparisons, these other guys u added, would fall short.

1. Rhymes scheme
2. Number of popular albums. (Eminem had 4 or 5)
3. Which of those rappers broke in bigtime into other genres as FEATURED ARTIST?
None did it amongst those guys like Eminem did.
Eminem did it twice with Rihanna, once with Beyonce, Did it with Akon,
These 3 artist I put above here were probably the best/hottest artists in the world at some point that were not Rappers.

You get that?

Rihanna, Beyonce, Akon were at some point the hottest artists in the world at some point and their resigns at the top lasted for like a decade.

And Eminem had features that were hits with these three at their very peak.

Which of the artists you mentioned every achieved this?

Or would you say *Eminem is a commercial rapper?*. Never.
Eminem never portrayed a clean image like Will Smith or MC hammer or heavy D.

Let's be honest, Eminem is more versatile than all those artists you mentioned.
Another factor to be considered for Comparison is VERSITILITY.
Eminem can change pace up to 5 times in one very song.

Most of those other guys would maintain one same-pace, all thru an album.

Seeee, ogaaa there is no rapper in the world that doesn't try sometimes to flow with the beats.

They may not try all the time, cos at times, they already have their lyrics written before the beats is produced.
But at times, the beats are already produced, then the rapper jumps on it to flow with the beats.

So let me tell you if few times some of these our favourite rappers tried to catch/match up with the beats.

Examples below:

1. Notorious Thugs (BIG feat. BONE THUGS & HARMONY)

2. IM INTO BIG THINGS. (By Nas. From the I AM album).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImnoGESKVZY&pp=ygUOQmlnIHRoaW5ncyBuYXM%3D

3. ONE MIC by NAS (FROM STILLMATIC ALBUM).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCOURZ-yx4E&pp=ygULb25lIG1pYyBuYXM%3D

4. I LOVE THE DOUGH (By BIGGY, feat. JAY Z).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4Lwjz2CAFI&pp=ygUOTG92ZSB0aGUgZG91Z2g%3D

NOw you see, all these other artist still try to flow with the beats (Cadence).

In as much as they try at times, did anyone of them do it at well as Eminem, when ever he wants to??

Never.

Now, to me: ILLMATIC is not my by best NAS albums for some very good points I would explain to you.

It may be his most classical albums. But not the best in totality.

The best should be STILLMATIC and I AM.
Why I say Soo is becos ils becos these very 2 albums I mentioned here had everything that ILLMATIC had, but ILLMATIC didn't have everything that STILLMATIC and I AM had.

ILLMATIC was had some strong Phylosophical lyrics but it was toooo one dimensional.

Almost all these songs had similar tempo.


Whereas STILLMATIC and I AM were both more interesting albums and still remains NAS's stronghold of being one of the most philisophycal MC's ever.


Was it not in That STILLMATIC that NAS had ONE MIC inside?

And there is no Rapsong ever made as intelligent as One Mic.
That was mathematics and science in a RAP song.
Go and listen to the second verse about JESUS.

Please, EVEN Jay Z's hood has since accepted that Eminem murdered Jay-Z in alllll ramifications.
Story telling ooo, rhymes oooo, punchlines ooooo, more-attractive rap voice/pitch.

Even if you want to give Jay-Z the win for story telling, would ignore other many many aspects for comparisons??

Please let's not be biased oe sentimental here.

Even canibus that was sooooo gud an MC, how many hit songs or hit albums did he make?

Okay you say "IN RENEGADE JAY WAS BUSY STORY TELLING AND EMINEM WAS BUSY RHYMING".
Okay let's do it this way:

FOR STORY-TELLINH, JAY-Z SCORED 70%.
FOR RHYMING, EMINEM SCORED 90%.
So who win for two of them strongholds?

Or did Jay-Z story-tell better than Eminem rhymed?

Please don't be bias or shift the goalpost to where it Favour's your excitement.

How can Eminem have one classic album?

So what happened to Slim shady LP, MMLP, Eminem Show and Encore??

Those are classics for true Eminem fans.

Another basics for comparison is who has more fans between Eminem and all those other rappers?


Even for the same BATTLE/BIF Rap, Eminem killed every black/white rapper that went against him.

Please don't let The game's own mother hear you say her son is better than Eminem.
Eminem is the Game's favorite Rapper's favorite Rapper.

How many Hit songs or Hit albums does THE GAME have?

The GAME did not even do better than 50 cents in that same AFTERMATH.

You can only say THE GAME is more HARDCORE than Eminem. That's allll.



Yeahhhh, same here, Eminem has not been rapping normally for some many years now.

He has taken the tongue twisting and unnecessary rhyming thing tooooo far.

Nice

Marc3500:
ok cool
Listen to the rappers I told you to listen to
I don't like lil Durk tbh he is kinda wack

Yeah I want to listen to like one or two of them thru this weekend.

nairamaniac:
Yeah I want to listen to like one or two of them thru this weekend.

That's nice

I feel vindicated.

I just ran into this Eminem video on YouTube. Where he eugolised more than 100 rap artist.

I'm vindicated becos he even acknowledged few of the artist I mentioned should have been in koolmoedee's Top100.

He mentioned MONIE LOVE and. KWAME.

MonieLove was sooo underrated.

QueenLatifah brought her to the American Audience.

But monie stood her ground with ther very few tracks she had.

Konquest, you see what iv beeeeen saying


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngyWsWiKNec&pp=ygVORW1pbmVtIG5hbWVzIGFuZCBwcmFpc2VzIDEwMCsgUmFwcGVycyBpbiBoaXMgUm9jayBhbmQgUm9sbCBIYWxsIG9mIEZhbWUgU3BlZWNo

nairamaniac:
I feel vindicated.

I just ran into this Eminem video on YouTube. Where he eugolised more than 100 rap artist.

I'm vindicated becos he even acknowledged few of the artist I mentioned should have been in koolmoedee's Top100.

He mentioned MONIE LOVE and KWAME.

MonieLove was sooo underrated.

QueenLatifah brought her to the American Audience.

But monie stood her ground with the very few tracks she had.

Kon.quest, you see what iv beeeeen saying


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngyWsWiKNec&pp=ygVORW1pbmVtIG5hbWVzIGFuZCBwcmFpc2VzIDEwMCsgUmFwcGVycyBpbiBoaXMgUm9jayBhbmQgUm9sbCBIYWxsIG9mIEZhbWUgU3BlZWNo

@nairamaniac, how's it going?

Thanks for the mention here! 👍

Indeed, you are vindicated right here. He did mention the MCs you said Kool Moe Dee left out in his Top 50 list, such as Monielove and Kwame.

I've just watched Eminem reel out his long list of top 100 rappers of all-time and I love the video as it gave deep insights into his mind.

Whoa! Kool Moe Dee's Top 50 all-time BEST rappers list and Eminem's Top 100 all-time BEST rappers list are mad cool. My head was bustin' just hearing Eminem reel out those names. I'm gonna download this video today on my mobile devices using the SaveFrom.net Website. I'm gonna watch it again offline.

Thanks again for sharing this iconic video as it brought back memories of the New York-based De La Soul and more.


De La Soul - Me Myself and I (With Intro) (Official Music Video) [HD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR9AlcgL6_0?si=kvms4Fu0CwMraBYg
DeLaSoulVEVO • 3 Mar 2023


Enjoy the rest of the your weekend.

Cheers!

nairamaniac:
I feel vindicated.

I just ran into this Eminem video on YouTube. Where he eugolised more than 100 rap artist.

I'm vindicated becos he even acknowledged few of the artist I mentioned should have been in koolmoedee's Top100.

He mentioned MONIE LOVE and KWAME.

MonieLove was sooo underrated.

QueenLatifah brought her to the American Audience.

But monie stood her ground with the very few tracks she had.

Kon.quest, you see what iv beeeeen saying


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngyWsWiKNec&pp=ygVORW1pbmVtIG5hbWVzIGFuZCBwcmFpc2VzIDEwMCsgUmFwcGVycyBpbiBoaXMgUm9jayBhbmQgUm9sbCBIYWxsIG9mIEZhbWUgU3BlZWNo

@nairamaniac, how's it going?

Thanks for the mention here! 👍

Indeed, you are vindicated right here. He did mention the MCs you said Kool Moe Dee left out in his Top 50 list, such as Monie Love.

I've just watched Eminem reel out his long list of top 100 rappers of all-time and I love the video as it gave deep insights into his mind.

Whoa! Kool Moe Dee's Top 50 all-time BEST rappers list and Eminem's Top 100 all-time BEST rappers list are mad cool. My head was bustin' just hearing Eminem reel out those names. I'm gonna download this video today on my mobile devices using the SaveFrom.net Website. I'm gonna watch it again offline.

Thanks again for sharing this iconic video as it brought back memories of the New York-based De La Soul from the late 1980s and more.


De La Soul - Me Myself and I (With Intro) (Official Music Video) [HD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR9AlcgL6_0?si=kvms4Fu0CwMraBYg
DeLaSoulVEVO • 3 Mar 2023
Released in 1989.

Enjoy the rest of the your weekend.

Cheers!

Konquest:
@nairamaniac, how's it going?

Thanks for the mention here! 👍

Indeed, you are vindicated right here. He did mention the MCs you said Kool Moe Dee left out in his Top 50 list, such as Monie Love.

I've just watched Eminem reel out his long list of top 100 rappers of all-time and I love the video as it gave deep insights into his mind.

Whoa! Kool Moe Dee's Top 50 all-time BEST rappers list and Eminem's Top 100 all-time BEST rappers list are mad cool. My head was bustin' just hearing Eminem reel out those names. I'm gonna download this video today on my mobile devices using the SaveFrom.net Website. I'm gonna watch it again offline.

Thanks again for sharing this iconic video as it brought back memories of the New York-based De La Soul from the late 1980s and more.


De La Soul - Me Myself and I (With Intro) (Official Music Video) [HD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR9AlcgL6_0?si=kvms4Fu0CwMraBYg
DeLaSoulVEVO • 3 Mar 2023
Released in 1989.

Enjoy the rest of the your weekend.

Cheers!

You are welcome maaaan. The Eminem's video brought deep nostalgia.


I felt good I know like 80% of those artists/groups he mentioned.

I actually had some of their albums at some point.


Honestly we struggled soooooo hard to get to here rap songs on TV back then.

We really really struggled.

Can you imagine that on a Whole MTV, we only had one show in a week that had rapsongs. And it was hosted by DR. DRE & ED Lover.

Imagine waiting for a Whole week to get a life program with fresh rap songs.

I actually felt(grooved) like 80% of these rappers em mentioned, and it's really crazy.

Marc3500:
nigga u don't like Trap🤨
U also don't like melodic rap
So what kind of hip hop do you listen to

There is no such thing as party rap

LL cool J does more of pop music than hip hop

I'll have to correct an error in your post.

The OG (@nairamaniac) you had the above convo with comes from the old school rap era of the 1980s right into the 1990s (just like me) and he told you CLEARLY that he likes "party rap." It's INCORRECT for you to say "there's no such thing as party rap."

There is indeed PARTY RAP in rap history. INFACT rap music gained momentum in the 1970s through to the 1980s from the party scenes! Party rap just simply refers to the style of "rhymes and poetry" (RAP) laced with beats that keeps the PARTY GROOVE going. This style evolved from the East Coast of the United States and gained ascendancy right from the early 1980s with DJs jamming to the rhymes, poetry, and beats at house parties, clubs, etc.

Saying there's NO "party rap" is just like saying incorrectly that "battle rap" NEVER existed. This isn't correct. As an OG myself, most of the early generation of rap OGs that I started listening to right from the 1980s are now in their 50s, LL Cool J, Big Daddy Kane, Kool Moe Dee, ICE-T, etc, and they all featured in different forms of "party raps and battle raps."


However, right BELOW is a link to some of the top 27 rap genres or types of rap and that field of hip hop is still evolving till date right from the 1970s when rap music STARTED off in New York.

=>https://emastered.com/blog/types-of-rap

Konquest:
I'll have to correct an error in your post.

The OG (@nairamaniac) you had the above convo with comes from the old school rap era of the 1980s right into the 1990s (just like me) and he told you CLEARLY that he likes "party rap." It's INCORRECT for you to say "there's no such thing as party rap."

There is indeed PARTY RAP in rap history. INFACT rap music gained momentum in the 1970s through to the 1980s from the party scenes! Party rap just simply refers to the style of "rhymes and poetry" (RAP) laced with beats that keeps the PARTY GROOVE going. This style evolved from the East Coast of the United States and gained ascendancy right from the early 1980s with DJs jamming to the rhymes, poetry, and beats at house parties, clubs, etc.

Saying there's NO "party rap" is just like saying incorrectly that "battle rap" NEVER existed. This isn't correct. As an OG myself, most of the early generation of rap OGs that I started listening to right from the 1980s are now in their 50s, LL Cool J, Big Daddy Kane, Kool Moe Dee, ICE-T, etc, and they all featured in different forms of "party raps and battle raps."


However, right BELOW is a link to some of the top 27 rap genres or types of rap and that field of hip hop is still evolving till date right from the 1970s when rap music STARTED off in New York.

=>https://emastered.com/blog/types-of-rap

Hi. I actually saw this post since last week. But now replying late, cos I had to meticulously digest the link you referred us to in your post that talked about several subgenres of rap.

That was a lovely piece of rap-educaion.

Yes indeed, there is a subgenre of rap called PARTY-RAP. And it probably started gaining it's grounds around the late 80's. And in the 80"s I feel the 2biggest influences of Party-Rap were;
1. The Movie and Dance-Type called BREAKDANCE
2. The weekly show called SOUL TRAIN, after Kurtis Blow became the first Rapper to appear on it in the year 1980.


YEAH, I love battle rap like maaaad,Right from the 80's.
DISS RAP is actually same as BATTLERAP.

From Koolmoedee's "HOW YOU LIKE ME NOW" versus LL COOL J's MAMA SAID KNOCK YOU OUT"
Koolmoedee was most likely the chief of battlerap.

TO

NWA vs ICE CUBE's "NO VERSELINE".

To

Timdog's "FVCK COMPTON" were he murdered NWA" Even though I was a crazy fan of NWA, I had FVCK COMPTON on repeat in the year 1993 or there about.

TO

Jay Z's TAKEOVER versus NAS's ETHER. Oh my God that would probably go down as the hardest Head to head and back to back Rapbattle/disstrack in the history of HIPHOP.

When Jay-Z came out with TAKEOVER, no one (including me) believed that Nas would ever recover from it.
Cos we all probably scored JAY Z a minimum of 8/10 after hearing that track. It was a song we danced and bopped our heads to.
But when Nas came out with ETHER, ohhhhhh my God, it was we were all in a burial Ceremony.

If TUPAC's HIT EM UP was a DEATH THREAT TRACK on B.I.G, then ETHER was JAY Z's BURIAL CEREMONY.



I definitely shouldnt forget to mention our Very Own RUGGEDMAN's "EHEN", were he exposed the fraud of IDRIS Abdul Kareem.

and FINALLY;
Vector vs M.I's THE VIPER.

I don't care what anyone says, but M.i's THE VIPER should be amongst the TOP 5 BATTLERAP/DISSTRACKS ever made in RAP's History. (Including both foreign rap songs).
Nothing wey anybody goooo tell me.
That song has world standard ingredients of a perfect Rapsong.


Konquest You are indeed an OG.
I HAIL🙌🙌🙌

Marc3500:
melodic rap is the best version of rap
I don't like lil Durk either those rappers are wack
Listen to
Kendrick Lamar
Drake
Travis Scott
J Cole
Kanye west
Future
Logic
And Tyler the creator is on fire now

And as for LL cool J he is both a rapper and a singer
He mixes pop with hip hop
Most of his hit songs are mostly pop music similar to drake

And also try listening to lil Wayne and 50 cent classics

Sorry for late response.
WOW!!!! Brother, I just listened to Tyler the creator.

I'm totally hooked on him.

I wonder how came I never got this referral all these years till you referred me few weeks ago.

Anyone who likes Eminem should like Tyler tooo.
It's similar kind of horrific, abstract kind of Rap.
He's amazing.

Iv been a fan of all those other rappers u mentioned for past one decade.

I actually think Kendrick, jcole and Joyner Lucas are my best rappers that have come out in last 10 to 15 years.
I can clearly add this your Tyler to the mix


The are not our conventional new school kind of rappers.

Thanx!!!
I appreciate.

End of the day, there is beauty in diversity.

nairamaniac:
Hi. I actually saw this post since last week. But now replying late, cos I had to meticulously digest the link you referred us to in your post that talked about several subgenres of rap.

That was a lovely piece of rap-educaion.

Yes indeed, there is a subjenre of rap called PARTY-RAP. And it probably started gaining it's grounds around the late 80's. And in the 80"s I feel the 2 biggest influences of Party-Rap were;

1. The Movie and Dance-Type called BREAKDANCE

2. The weekly show called SOUL TRAIN, after Kurtis Blow became the first Rapper to appear on it in the year 1980.


YEAH, I love battle rap like maaaad,Right from the 80's. DISS RAP is actually same as BATTLERAP.

From Koolmoedee's "HOW YOU LIKE ME NOW" versus LL COOL J's MAMA SAID KNOCK YOU OUT" Koolmoedee was most likely the chief of battlerap.

TO

NWA vs ICE CUBE's "NO VERSELINE".

To

Timdog's "FVCK COMPTON" were he murdered NWA" Even though I was a crazy fan of NWA, I had FVCK COMPTON on repeat in the year 1993 or there about.

TO

Jay Z's TAKEOVER versus NAS's ETHER. Oh my God that would probably go down as the hardest Head to head and back to back Rapbattle/disstrack in the history of HIPHOP.

When Jay-Z came out with TAKEOVER, no one (including me) believed that Nas would ever recover from it.
Cos we all probably scored JAY Z a minimum of 8/10 after hearing that track. It was a song we danced and bopped our heads to.
But when Nas came out with ETHER, ohhhhhh my God, it was we were all in a burial Ceremony.

If TUPAC's HIT EM UP was a DEATH THREAT TRACK on B.I.G, then ETHER was JAY Z's BURIAL CEREMONY.

I definitely should forget to mention our Very Own RUGGEDMAN's "EHEN", were he exposed the fraud of IDRIS Abdul Kareem.

and FINALLY; Vector vs M.I's THE VIPER.

I don't care what anyone says, but M.i's THE VIPER should be amongst the TOP 5 BATTLERAP/DISSTRACKS ever made in RAP's History. (Including both foreign rap songs).
Nothing wey anybody goooo tell me.
That song has world standard ingredients of a perfect Rapsong.


Kon.quest You are indeed an OG.
I HAIL🙌🙌🙌

Word!

Many thanks bro!

I appreciate your feedback here and the images you attached to you post which CLEARLY affirms what I earlier posted about party rap and battle rap with my main man Kool Moe Dee, the lyrical scientist.

Whoa! Don Cornelius, the main anchor of Soul Train was a legendary dude with his baritone voice and a commanding presence. The BIGGEST music stars from the 1970s and 1980s appeared on Soul Train and thanks to YT, we still have access to some snippets of the memorable past on the Soul Train dance floor.

Ah yeah! MI Abaga spits fire🔥 with his rap cadence and Ruggedman too. My all-time illest rappers of Nigerian, Nigerian-American, and British-Nigerian descent are Wale, Chamillionaire, Skepta, AY (the early 2000s UK-based fore-runner of Yoruba language rap mixed with Pidgin English and English language with his stellar "I'm Gonna Make It" rap track. This was way before Lord of Ajasa and Dagrin bursted loose in the 2000s as well in that same Yoruba rap genre), Mode 9, MI, Vector, Ruggedman, Weird MC (Sola Idowu) and Eva Alordiah both representing the females, etc.


In rounding off, enjoy some of my 3 TOP, illest Kool Moe Dee tracks from 1987 and his 3rd Album release in 1989 (Knowledge is King) right BELOW:

1] Wild, Wild, West (1987)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auhwI00iKWg?si=BkeEc3-cXYaMfK35
Kool Moe Dee • 10 Jan 2018

2] Kool Moe Dee - Knowledge is King -1989 Arsenio Hall Show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVOvf-9rK4c?si=LG9Rgt7vC9HA1ahl
Joe • 28 Sept 2023

Kool Moe Dee - Knowledge Is King (Remix)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4qrOhobkMM?si=4Qs1kz0s0pxCfqun
stevewatto • Nov 24 2009

Knowledge is King (Audio)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H270_6WHjBY?si=t2cSkcyv1Z2kKC91
Kool Moe Dee • 8 Nov 2014

3] Kool Moe Dee - They Want Money

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFyEC-ycswc?si=Om3qUAMXY17_TITG
KoolMoeDeeVEVO • 10 Jan 2018


The above "beat-down" performances and tracks are CLEARLY why I've been a Kool Moe Dee fan since way back in the 1980s. Lyrically dope tracks from my OGs from the 1980s alobe starting with LL Cool J, Kool Moe Dee, Big Daddy Kane, ICE-T, Vanilla Ice, MC Hammer, etc, still remain evergreen. You better come correct if you DON'T wanna get bum rushed.

"Evil feed's of the source of apathy" ~ from the 1989 "Knowledge is King" rap track by Kool Moe Dee.


Happy Holidays to you and I wish you and all a great 2025 ahead!

nairamaniac:
Sorry for late response.
WOW!!!! Brother, I just listened to Tyler the creator.

I'm totally hooked on him.

I wonder how came I never got this referral all these years till you referred me few weeks ago.

Anyone who likes Eminem should like Tyler tooo.
It's similar kind of horrific, abstract kind of Rap.
He's amazing.

Iv been a fan of all those other rappers u mentioned for past one decade.

I actually think Kendrick, jcole and Joyner Lucas are my best rappers that have come out in last 10 to 15 years.
I can clearly add this your Tyler to the mix


The are not our conventional new school kind of rappers.

Thanx!!!
I appreciate.

End of the day, there is beauty in diversity.

I told you
You would like Tyler the creator

Marc3500:
I told you
You would like Tyler the creator

He is definitely dope and mentally creative.

A blacker version of Eminem.
Thanx a lot

Konquest:
Word!

Many thanks bro!

I appreciate your feedback here and the images you attached to you post which CLEARLY affirms what I earlier posted about party rap and battle rap with my main man Kool Moe Dee, the lyrical scientist.

Whoa! Don Cornelius, the main anchor of Soul Train was a legendary dude with his baritone voice and a commanding presence. The BIGGEST music stars from the 1970s and 1980s appeared on Soul Train and thanks to YT, we still have access to some snippets of the memorable past on the Soul Train dance floor.

Ah yeah! MI Abaga spits fire🔥 with his rap cadence and Ruggedman too. My all-time illest rappers of Nigerian, Nigerian-American, and British-Nigerian descent are Wale, Chamillionaire, Skepta, AY (the early 2000s UK-based fore-runner of Yoruba language rap mixed with Pidgin English and English language with his stellar "I'm Gonna Make It" rap track. This was way before Lord of Ajasa and Dagrin bursted loose in the 2000s as well in that same Yoruba rap genre), Mode 9, MI, Vector, Ruggedman, Weird MC (Sola Idowu) and Eva Alordiah both representing the females, etc.


In rounding off, enjoy some of my 3 TOP, illest Kool Moe Dee tracks from 1987 and his 3rd Album release in 1989 (Knowledge is King) right BELOW:

1] Wild, Wild, West (1987)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auhwI00iKWg?si=BkeEc3-cXYaMfK35
Kool Moe Dee • 10 Jan 2018

2] Kool Moe Dee - Knowledge is King -1989 Arsenio Hall Show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVOvf-9rK4c?si=LG9Rgt7vC9HA1ahl
Joe • 28 Sept 2023

Kool Moe Dee - Knowledge Is King (Remix)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4qrOhobkMM?si=4Qs1kz0s0pxCfqun
stevewatto • Nov 24 2009

Knowledge is King (Audio)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H270_6WHjBY?si=t2cSkcyv1Z2kKC91
Kool Moe Dee • 8 Nov 2014

3] Kool Moe Dee - They Want Money

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFyEC-ycswc?si=Om3qUAMXY17_TITG
KoolMoeDeeVEVO • 10 Jan 2018


The above "beat-down" performances and tracks are CLEARLY why I've been a Kool Moe Dee fan since way back in the 1980s. Lyrically dope tracks from my OGs from the 1980s alobe starting with LL Cool J, Kool Moe Dee, Big Daddy Kane, ICE-T, Vanilla Ice, MC Hammer, etc, still remain evergreen. You better come correct if you DON'T wanna get bum rushed.

"Evil feed's of the source of apathy" ~ from the 1989 "Knowledge is King" rap track by Kool Moe Dee.


Happy Holidays to you and I wish you and all a great 2025 ahead!

Merry Xmas.
Iv read this your post at least once a day since you sent it.

Every damn day, at least once.


Brought back solid good memories. Especially with the Kool Moe Dee videos u attached here. I also had his trademark eyeshades at some point. They were my favourite glasses before Kareem Hardison came up with the Flip-up eyeshades in A DIFFERENT WORLD.

Kool Moe Dee was indeed a Lyrical scientist.
My best songs amongst those u posted was Wild WIld West.
What a lovely jam it was.
Especially the part he screamed I USED TO LIVE DOWNTOWN.

He also killed it in the very first RAP ALLSTAR SONG EVER MADE IN HISTORY called SELF DISTRUCTION.

That was the first time the world most of the best rappers all in one very Song/video.

Soultrain did justice to the black community/race.

I think that was the first time I saw Jeffree Daniels dance like Michael Jackson.

Those rappers you mentioned were everyone's best in the late 80's till early 90's.

But somehow, LL Kool J, Kool Moe Dee and heavy D were clearly the best.

Even though big daddy Kane was the most lyrical.

But all in ALL, heavy D was clearly the best putting alllllll factors of comparisons together.


Only heavy D featured with the 2-Hottest-Jacksons, (Janet Jackson in Remix of ALL RIGHT WITH ME and Michael Jackson in JAM).

NO need, heavy D was in everyone's Top3 for like 5 straight years.

When he came with;
May be it thick as a milkshake
Or thin as a cornflake
I love you to death but I ain't pressed for the heartbreak
And anyway, who cares about what other people talk about?
I'd rather hear it from the horse's mouth

Damn, who does that.

Heavy D was not any rapper's mate when it came to performance, rap skills charisma and style.

That song was probably janet Jackson's Best music video.

Ice ice baby was the best thing to happen to the end of 1990.
Just unfortunate that that particular song was a fluke.

Vanilla ice has no other good songs in that album.
Maybe just one or two.

M.C hammer was the only artist who could dance better than Bobby Brown.
We dont mention MJ in this kind of talk.
Since he is from another world.

But from 1987 till 1989, no one could dance better than Bobby Brown, until M.C Hammer showed up.

I loved m.c hammer too. And had his baggy Arabian trousers at some point.
Although it was obioma that .made the first few ones I had
Until I got lucky to get some from abroad.

Talking bout pure Nigeria rappers.
I actually know M.I is miles ahead.

I'm a well learned deep HIPHOP Critic, and I know M.I is Top 10 (at worst) ever in history.
Trust me on that.

I met him and chilled with him for long minutes in one of his shows.

He used to do album-launch with paying fans.

When he came out with his second album MI2 THE MOVIE In DECEMBER 2010, he came for the album launch in Abuja. The venue was THE DOME.

For Regulars it was like 10k.
VIP was 30k.

I used all my money to pay for VIP, as they said VIP'd would school with M.I in between the show.

And true to their words. M.i was with us a lot all thru that show.

I'm telling u, I had like 10 minutes chat with M.I in total. Both during and after the show.

He asked me one amazing question.

He said *who do I think is the best African rapper ever*.

I definitely a told him 'he was".

Then he asked *who was second best*.
Without hesitation, I told him OVERDOSE (OD).
The nigga called OVERDOSE came out along with Mode9, Terry the rapman. Those rappers were holding it down before m.i came out.

And ooooh boy, OVERDOSE was clearly better than Mode9.
No need to argue.

Terry the rapman was also up there amongst the best.
I wasnt a great fan of Mode9. I can't stand you when most of your songs seem one-dimentional. Though he had a very deep knowledge of vocabulary. He wasn't interesting in .ost of his songs.




My all-time illest rappers of Nigerian, Nigerian-American, and British-Nigerian descent are WALE and DAVE.
The boy Dave. David Orobosa Omoregie spits fire like crazy.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRuovJ3hP9o&pp=ygUpYWxyaWdodCBqYW5ldCBqYWNrc29uIGZlYXQgaGVhdnkgZCBseXJpY3M%3D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmX5TgWsfEQ&pp=ygUrc2VsZiBkZXN0cnVjdGlvbiBzdG9wIHRoZSB2aW9sZW5jZSBtb3ZlbWVudA%3D%3D




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtITauujIvg&pp=ygUTb3ZlcmRvc2UgZG9uJ3QgaGF0ZQ%3D%3D



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gpViAgjBXU&pp=ygUcZG9uJ3QgaGF0ZSBtZSByZW1peCBvdmVyZG9zZQ%3D%3D


Wishing you and family a happy holiday.

More blessed and happier years Ahead🙏🙏🙏

Marc3500:
I told you
You would like Tyler the creator

Yiu were more than right.
And I read he is of Nigerian decent.


How come he didn't blow up to become soooo popular?

nairamaniac:
Yiu were more than right.
And I read he is of Nigerian decent.


How come he didn't blow up to become soooo popular?

at the early stages of his career he wasn't serious he was just dropping whack songs and releasing trash albums
It was from 2017 he started releasing good music

nairamaniac:
He is definitely dope and mentally creative.

A blacker version of Eminem.
Thanx a lot

you are welcome bro
I also recommend artist like Immortal technique,Joey bada$$,logic,jay electronica and listen to Kanye west