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Do you see Church as an organized Scam?

Hmm

A scam is a scam It does not matter how people see it.

paxonel:
A scam is a scam It does not matter how people see it.

Lol

The number of stories on newspapers now about Men of God in different financial scandals is much

essentialone:
The number of stories on newspapers now about Men of God in different financial scandals is much

Are you serving them or God?

Church is not a scam, most of the early education of this country was due to the evangelical and missionary capabilities of the church.

So if some elements have decided to walk in the path of Balaam. Leave them, in their own time their Judgement will come.

essentialone:
The number of stories on newspapers now about Men of God in different financial scandals is much

What is the purpose of the church according to the Bible?

Try to figure that out then you will be able to single out the church that's doing what Jesus taught.

There are many fake currencies in circulation but does that mean there's no original?

Of course there is because it's the original that warrants the making of fake the fake is produced to confuse the user into picking up what is not real so if there are fake churches it means the original is there you only need to identify it!

MaxInDHouse:
What is the purpose of the church according to the Bible?

Try to figure that out then you will be able to single out the church that's doing what Jesus taught.

There are many fake currencies in circulation but does that mean there's no original?

Of course there is because it's the original that warrants the making of fake the fake is produced to confuse the user into picking up what is not real so if there are fake churches it means the original is there you only need to identify it!

Mazi, is your analogy really apt on this?

essentialone:
Mazi, is your analogy really apt on this?

There can never be fake without original!

MaxInDHouse:
There can never be fake without original!

Not in this case. Mention examples of perfect churches, after all, Jesus says Be Perfect, as I am Perfect.

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essentialone:
Not in this case. Mention examples of perfect churches, after all, Jesus says Be Perfect, as I am Perfect.

Are you saying there is no BODY of Christ around you or you don't know how to identify the church of Christ?
Well as i said earlier you need to know what is expected of a perfect church first then start checking if such could be found around you!

MaxInDHouse:
Are you saying there is no BODY of Christ around you or you don't know how to identify the church of Christ?
Well as i said earlier you need to know what is expected of a perfect church first then start checking if such could be found around you!

As usual, you like to beat around the bush. Are you a bush meat or a hunter?

essentialone:
As usual, you like to beat around the bush. Are you a bush meat or a hunter?

Oh sorry if i've offended you, please i don't mean to upset you.

So should i take my leave or you will like to know what to expect from a perfect church?

essentialone:
Do you see Church as an organized Scam?

They are like politicians using what was established for general good to fill their belles. So while government is not a scam, when scammers are running the show, you can't tell the difference.

MaxInDHouse:
Oh sorry if i've offended you, please i don't mean to upset you.

So should i take my leave or you will like to know what to expect from a perfect church?

Please, explain plainly

essentialone:
Please, explain plainly

I don't know how else to be plain than this!

You don't have to expect humans like you to always supply you answers to questions when you have your Bible.

What i can do for you is guide you to where the answers are not to tell you this will help you to do the same for others when they need the same assistance.

What should we expect from a perfect church?

That's what i can do for you then you will figure out the rest from there!

The true God promised to destroy all evildoers so that good people can live with peace of mind {Psalms 37:9-11} to do this there must be a global educational program to gather all peace lovers throughout the earth as one big and happy global family {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} to do this a perfect human must come to teach the Jews how to go about the global campaign that's what Jesus established in the first century! Matthew 28:18-20

So the perfect church must go round the earth to pick lovers of peace in every nation and make them disciples of the Christ who is the Prince of Peace! Act 1:8 compare to Isaiah 9:6

They must love people of all nations as their neighbors! Mark 12:31

They must have love among themselves {John 13:34-35} since the spirit of God who is LOVE dwells among them! 1John 4:8

They must not participate in racial discrimination or fight as political fighters as this will make them hate their neighbors and even their fellow believers in other lands! John 17:14

Due to their unwavering faith in making peace with everyone {Romans 12:18} without being racist their own people will hate them in all the places they may be! Matthew 24:9


Do you know a church having resemblance of this nature?

MaxInDHouse:
The true God promised to destroy all evildoers so that good people can live with peace of mind {Psalms 37:9-11} to do this there must be a global educational program to gather all peace lovers throughout the earth as one big and happy global family {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} to do this a perfect human must come to teach the Jews how to go about the global campaign that's what Jesus established in the first century! Matthew 28:18-20

So the perfect church must go round the earth to pick lovers of peace in every nation and make them disciples of the Christ who is the Prince of Peace! Act 1:8 compare to Isaiah 9:6

They must love people of all nations as their neighbors! Mark 12:31

They must have love among themselves {John 13:34-35} since the spirit of God who is LOVE dwells among them! 1John 4:8

They must not participate in racial discrimination or fight as political fighters as this will make them hate their neighbors and even their fellow believers in other lands! John 17:14

Due to their unwavering faith in making peace with everyone {Romans 12:18} without being racist their own people will hate them in all the places they may be! Matthew 24:9


Do you know a church having resemblance of this nature?

I know no church that truly does all of these.

essentialone:
I know no church that truly does all of these.

I know one they are called JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

MaxInDHouse:
I know one they are called JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Is that the name of your Church?

essentialone:
Is that the name of your Church?

Yes of course!

MaxInDHouse:
Yes of course!

Ok. No wonder you don't have sense

essentialone:
Ok. No wonder you don't have sense

Oh, thanks for the compliment! John 10:20

Only Jesus can save us from witches.

What can we do without protection of Men of God?

Aaronsrod:
Only Jesus can save us from witches.

What can we do without protection of Men of God?

I don't know about you. But I don't need any protection of Men of God.

Gabrielshow24:
Are you serving them or God?

Church is not a scam, most of the early education of this country was due to the evangelical and missionary capabilities of the church.

So if some elements have decided to walk in the path of Balaam. Leave them, in their own time their Judgement will come.

Any evidence of this god?

essentialone:
Ok. No wonder you don't have sense

May the Flying Spaghetti Monster bless you. The guy no get one single sense

jaephoenix:
Any evidence of this god?

In a different thread, I explained to you that even from scientific reasoning you can come to the conclusion that God exists.

And given the separation of states of the well known creator and creation paradox. He exists independently outside of creation!

Arguing from silence is a well known fallacy.
That's the fallacy you are committing when you question God's existence!

Infact contrary to your premise lots of evidence point to the existence of a supernatural creator.

Gabrielshow24:
In a different thread, I explained to you that even from scientific reasoning you can come to the conclusion that God exists.

And given the separation of states of the well known creator and creation paradox. He exists independently outside of creation!

Arguing from silence is a well known fallacy.
That's the fallacy you are committing when you question God's existence!

Infact contrary to your premise lots of evidence point to the existence of a supernatural creator.

And this was my reply
The entity of god is not an axiom. Obviously you don't know what it is.
The god factor is fixed in by theists. No scientist proved the existence of a god via scientific means.
There was a lot of phenomena that science couldn't explain, from flood, rain, lightning etc. Theists inserted their god as the origin of such phenomena. But we now know where they all came from as of today. The god of the gap fallacy is what you have been committing all along

jaephoenix:
And this was my reply
The entity of god is not an axiom. Obviously you don't know what it is.
The god factor is fixed in by theists. No scientist proved the existence of a god via scientific means.
There was a lot of phenomena that science couldn't explain, from flood, rain, lightning etc. Theists inserted their god as the origin of such phenomena. But we now know where they all came from as of today. The god of the gap fallacy is what you have been committing all along

And this was my reply:
We are saying completely different things.
Infact what you have done here can be categorized as straw man fallacy!

Am not claiming the gaps in the knowledge of men is the basis of the existence of God!

Am borrowing from the mathematical statements and definition of an axiom which by itself is unprovable but in itself is a truthful statement!

This is not exploiting the gaps of science this is using one of the most known aspects of science, "the existence of axioms".

This is also to show you that there exists things in the physical world that by themselves have no proof but are the standard or method of proof for all other things!

Sit down and learn!
You just keep showing your faults in thinking for the world to see.