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DeepSight:
Although in the business of encouraging lies, I cannot resist pointing out to you that Yahweh held a council in heaven where he commissioned the disemination of a lie to Ahab.

2Ch And Micai'ah said, "Therefore hear the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing on his right hand and on his left;
2Ch 18:19 and the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab the king of Israel, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?' And one said one thing, and another said another.
2Ch 18:20 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD, saying, 'I will entice him.' And the LORD said to him, 'By what means?'
2Ch 18:21 And he said, 'I will go forth, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' And he said, 'You are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go forth and do so.'
2Ch 18:22 Now therefore behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these your prophets; the LORD has spoken evil concerning you."

So how does this equate to endorsing taqiyya.
Was the person narrating this passage not a prophet?
The passage shows God allowing people to hear what they want to hear when they reject his message. Go back and read it fully
Besides, Jesus taught his disciples to let their yes be yes and their no, no. Have you read your bible to that part?

doffman:
He was shocked he saw Muslim there 😀😀😀.

It pains him well ahaaa

There is no Muslim there. Show us the source of your translation that shows Muslim being there.
This is directly from Quran.com an Arab run site

I guess you know Arabic more than the Arabs now

Shameless taqiyya practitioner

Kukutente23:
So how does this equate to endorsing taqiyya.
Was the person narrating this passage not a prophet?
The passage shows God allowing people to hear what they want to hear when they reject his message.

This is rather you allowing yourself to see what you want to see. The thing is in black and white.

Besides, Jesus taught his disciples to let their yes be yes and their no, no. Have you read your bible to that part?

It is no secret that the noble teachings of Jesus are markedly different from the pagan mountain deity called Yahweh.

Kukutente23:
There is no Muslim there. Show us the source of your translation that shows Muslim being there.
This is directly from Quran.com an Arab run site

I guess you know Arabic more than the Arabs now

Shameless taqiyya practitioner

A pagan will always remain pagan 😀

Seriously , I like to play with your brain and displaying your ignorance .

Oya , let me give you assignment .

Show the screenshot attached to anybody that understand Arabic or go to Google and search for Quran transliteration of that verse .

And come back here if you will not see a word “ Muslim” there 😀

doffman:
A pagan will always remain pagan 😀

Seriously , I like to play with your brain and displaying your ignorance .

Oya , let me give you assignment .

Show the screenshot attached to anybody that understand Arabic or go to Google and search for Quran transliteration of that verse .

And come back here if you will not see a word “ Muslim” there 😀

This is the transliteration from quran.com, a site run by Arabs themselves

Show me Muslim there. Islamic liar wants to use taqiyya on me

DeepSight:
This is rather you allowing yourself to see what you want to see. The thing is in black and white.

No. God created man with freewill and man always suffer the consequences of his will especially when it conflicts with God's. That's what happened here

It is no secret that the noble teachings of Jesus are markedly different from the pagan mountain deity called Yahweh.

Well, Jesus said Yahweh is his father and he said he can't do anything unless what his father gives him

Kukutente23:
This is the transliteration from quran.com, a site run by Arabs themselves

Show me Muslim there. Islamic liar wants to use taqiyya on me

Ignorant 😀. Must I teach you everything ahaaa.

Okay , let me come down to your level.

Translation is different from transliteration , okay ! .

Transliteration will enable you to read the Arabic in its direct status .

Go back to google and type transliteration of Quran .

Then , look for quran :3 :67.


I want you to see the answer yourself .

Kukutente23:
No. God created man with freewill and man always suffer the consequences of his will especially when it conflicts with God's. That's what happened here

Well, Jesus said Yahweh is his father and he said he can't do anything unless what his father gives him

You are making excuses for Yahweh. How can wwe worship a god who sits in council to commission and authorise the preparation and disemination of lies? How is that god a god of "truth?" How is that god indeed, not the very father of lies?

It is preposterous to turn around and say absurd things such as he was only allowing man to do what man wanted to do, or its about freewill. The point is that a God of Truth should not be the author and commissioner of falsehood.

You can dance around on this point, but it is there in black and white - Yahweh is the author of lies, in addittion to his favorite pastime of mass murder (of children in particular).

DeepSight:
You are making excuses for Yahweh. How can wwe worship a god who sits in council to commission and authorise the preparation and disemination of lies? How is that god a god of "truth?" How is that god indeed, not the very father of lies?

It is preposterous to turn around and say absurd things such as he was only allowing man to do what man wanted to do, or its about freewill. The point is that a God of Truth should not be the author and commissioner of falsehood.

You can dance around on this point, but it is there in black and white - Yahweh is the author of lies, in addittion to his favorite pastime of mass murder (of children in particular).

😀😀😀😀

doffman:
Ignorant 😀. Must I teach you everything ahaaa.

Okay , let me come down to your level.

Translation is different from transliteration , okay ! .

Transliteration will enable you to read the Arabic in its direct status .

Go back to google and type transliteration of Quran .

Then , look for quran :3 :67.


I want you to see the answer yourself .

Which kind Islamic lie be dis one now
Must you practice taqiyya
I'm showing you translation from quran.com which is supported by the kingdom of Saudi Arabia which you face five times a day to pray and you're still saying there's one transliteration somewhere. Dem take taqiyya swear for you? Are you now saying you know Arabic more than the Arabs? You a common third class Muslim who can't even be allowed to lead prayers in Sokoto.
Abeg rest with this taqiyya you're practicing

Kukutente23:
Which kind Islamic lie be dis one now
Must you practice taqiyya
I'm showing you translation from quran.com which is supported by the kingdom of Saudi Arabia which you face five times a day to pray and you're still saying there's one transliteration somewhere. Dem take taqiyya swear for you? Are you now saying you know Arabic more than the Arabs? You a common third class Muslim who can't even be allowed to lead prayers in Sokoto.
Abeg rest with this taqiyya you're practicing

😀😀😀😀. I know you have checked it and you have been shocked ahaaa

DeepSight:
You are making excuses for Yahweh. How can wwe worship a god who sits in council to commission and authorise the preparation and disemination of lies? How is that god a god of "truth?" How is that god indeed, not the very father of lies?

It is preposterous to turn around and say absurd things such as he was only allowing man to do what man wanted to do, or its about freewill. The point is that a God of Truth should not be the author and commissioner of falsehood.

You can dance around on this point, but it is there in black and white - Yahweh is the author of lies, in addittion to his favorite pastime of mass murder (of children in particular).

Can you show from the passage where it is written that God authored the lie?
Go back and read the passage. Ahaz had repeatedly rejected God's message from the genuine prophet of God and his life was under threat. I'm not making excuses. I'm simply telling you what happened and how it happened. If you choose to follow what suits your bias

doffman:
😀😀😀😀. I know you have checked it and you have been shocked ahaaa

What you circled there is Muslimanw whatever that means and not Muslim and still you have not shown the source of your translation below. Just clutching at straws to cover up your taqqiya


Ibrahim was neither a Jew nor a (Christian), but he was a hanif (one inclining toward truth), a Muslim (submitting to God). And he was not of the polytheists. (Quran 3:67-68

Kukutente23:
Can you show from the passage where it is written that God authored the lie?
Go back and read the passage. Ahaz had repeatedly rejected God's message from the genuine prophet of God and his life was under threat. I'm not making excuses. I'm simply telling you what happened and how it happened. If you choose to follow what suits your bias

I can't be quoting it again, it I already did.

2Ch 18:19 and the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab the king of Israel that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?' And one said one thing, and another said another.
2Ch 18:20 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD, saying, 'I will entice him.' And the LORD said to him, 'By what means?'
2Ch 18:21 And he said, 'I will go forth, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' And he said, 'You are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go forth and do so.'
2Ch 18:22 Now therefore behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these your prophets; the LORD has spoken evil concerning you.

Kukutente23:
What you circled there is Muslimanw whatever that means and not Muslim and still you have not shown the source of your translation below. Just clutching at straws to cover up your taqqiya


Ibrahim was neither a Jew nor a (Christian), but he was a hanif (one inclining toward truth), a Muslim(submitting to God). And he was not of the polytheists. (Quran 3:67-68

Pagan can never change his identity 😀😀

😀😀😀

What is the difference between Jesus and Jesu? 😀😀

DeepSight:
I can't be quoting it again, it I already did.

2Ch 18:19 and the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab the king of Israel that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?' And one said one thing, and another said another.
2Ch 18:20 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD, saying, 'I will entice him.' And the LORD said to him, 'By what means?'
2Ch 18:21 And he said, 'I will go forth, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' And he said, 'You are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go forth and do so.'
2Ch 18:22 Now therefore behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these your prophets; the LORD has spoken evil concerning you.

Let's start from verse 4

4Also Jehoshaphat said to the king of Israel, “Please inquire for the word of the Lord today.”

5Then the king of Israel gathered the prophets together, four hundred men, and said to them, “Shall we go to war against Ramoth Gilead, or shall I refrain?”

So they said, “Go up, for God will deliver it into the king’s hand.”

6But Jehoshaphat said, “Is there not still a prophet of the Lord here, that we may inquire of Him?”

7So the king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, “There is still one man by whom we may inquire of the Lord; but I hate him, because he never prophesies good concerning me, but always evil. He is Micaiah the son of Imla.”

And Jehoshaphat said, “Let not the king say such things!”

8Then the king of Israel called one of his officers and said, “Bring Micaiah the son of Imla quickly!”

9The king of Israel and Jehoshaphat king of Judah, clothed in their robes, sat each on his throne; and they sat at a threshing floor at the entrance of the gate of Samaria; and all the prophets prophesied before them. 10Now Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah had made horns of iron for himself; and he said, “Thus says the Lord: ‘With these you shall gore the Syrians until they are destroyed.’ ”

11And all the prophets prophesied so, saying, “Go up to Ramoth Gilead and prosper, for the Lord will deliver it into the king’s hand.”

12Then the messenger who had gone to call Micaiah spoke to him, saying, “Now listen, the words of the prophets with one accord encourage the king. Therefore please let your word be like the word of one of them, and speak encouragement.”

13And Micaiah said, “As the Lord lives, whatever my God says, that I will speak.”

14Then he came to the king; and the king said to him, “Micaiah, shall we go to war against Ramoth Gilead, or shall I refrain?”

And he said, “Go and prosper, and they shall be delivered into your hand!”

15So the king said to him, “How many times shall I make you swear that you tell me nothing but the truth in the name of the Lord?”

If you follow through the bolded verses, you'll notice the following
1. Both Jehoshaphat, Ahab and the servant sent to fetch Micaiah sensed that something was wrong with the prophecy of the 400 prophets.
2. Micaiah decided to join the 400 prophets to lie but again, even Ahab knew he was lying
3. Ahab hated Micaiah because he speaks the truth. He preferred to hear lies which is why Micaiah was banished from his presence
4. Even after Micaiah told them the truth, they still turned against him
Thus, it is easy to see that the lying spirit came down because that was what the king and his 400 prophets longed for.
Whenever the word of God is rejected, God leaves men to their own devices and that's exactly what happened

doffman:
Pagan can never change his identity 😀😀

😀😀😀

What is the difference between Jesus and Jesu? 😀😀

Is that why you carried out taqiyya

Show me the source of your translation!!

Kukutente23:
Is that why you carried out taqiyya

Show me the source of your translation!!

Quran 3:67-68

Read it well and open your eyes 😀

doffman:
Quran 3:67-68

Read it well and open your eyes 😀

What version of quran is this?

Because the myislam site says this is their 3rd version

I thought quran is only one. How can it have 3 versions like the bible. I thought having versions shows that the bible is corrupted.
Chai!! Islamists cannot stay in one place. Taqiyya upon Taqiyya

Kukutente23:
What version of quran is this?

Because the myislam site says this is their 3rd version

I thought quran is only one. How can it have 3 versions like the bible. I thought having versions shows that the bible is corrupted.
Chai!! Islamists cannot stay in one place. Taqiyya upon Taqiyya

We do not change Quran like your edited Bible . 😀😀.

Check it out from any Quran . They all have the same meaning . It is you pagan that chose to interpret it to your shallow mind 😀

Kukutente23:
Let's start from verse 4

If you follow through the bolded verses, you'll notice the following
1. Both Jehoshaphat, Ahab and the servant sent to fetch Micaiah sensed that something was wrong with the prophecy of the 400 prophets.
2. Micaiah decided to join the 400 prophets to lie but again, even Ahab knew he was lying
3. Ahab hated Micaiah because he speaks the truth. He preferred to hear lies which is why Micaiah was banished from his presence
4. Even after Micaiah told them the truth, they still turned against him
Thus, it is easy to see that the lying spirit came down because that was what the king and his 400 prophets longed for.
Whenever the word of God is rejected, God leaves men to their own devices and that's exactly what happened

I grant this is an interesting take, but -

1. Do you see the chicken and egg problem here? Namely - which came first - the lying spirit from Yahweh or the so called desire for lies of Ahab? Mind you, it is questionable that Ahab was looking for lies, for he asked - "how many times will I ask you to swear that you speak the truth?"

2. Even if one grants that these people were liars and wanted lies - is it not the day job of Lucifer to disseminate such to them? Why should the most high God - The LIVING LIGHT, The God of Truth, busy himself creating lies to "assist" their deceitful nature?

3. It is not true that he did it because they liked lies. He did it because he wanted to destroy Ahab at Ramoth-Gilead, for his general wickedness.

4. If this were the only instance its a different thing. Throughout the OT Yahweh is involved in all sorts of dark, indecorous, deceitful and murderous schemes which are fit only for one with the lowest of gutter morals.

[quote author=Antlislaam post=133285911][/quote]😀😀😀😀

A copycat Christian terrorist with half brain is at it again 😀😀😀.

If I start with you again , you will run away at last as usual .

Oya , tell us what changes in Quran ?

I can lecture you again how your edited Bible contradicted itself .

doffman:
😀 What is this one saying ?
Pronouncement of what ?
Let me get your point clearly before I will give you your own size.

All the above rulings on not doing nikkah while pregnant, were they given by Mohammed or by your scholars who came many years after Mohammed had died?

Did they also receive inspiration from Jibril or Mohammed appeared to them in the dream to give the the new rulings?

Ekrenji:
All the above rulings on not doing nikkah while pregnant, were they given by Mohammed or by your scholars who came many years after Mohammed had died?

Did they also receive inspiration from Jibril or Mohammed appeared to them in the dream to give the the new rulings?

Go back to what op wrote and open your eyes very well.

It is not a new thing that God did not permit fornication in the pretext of marriage . If you want to marry , try and marry nah; must you taste every woman before you marry her ?

Islam forbids it and what is your own problem with it ?

Do you want to impregnate a woman before you will marry her officially ni?

Kukutente23:
You're the one who claimed no kissing or touching before nikaah. Kindly show proof
Show the hadith that supports this thread

You should bring the hadith that goes against what i said since you accused me of lying!

You should my first comment again!

doffman:
We do not change Quran like your edited Bible . 😀😀.

Check it out from any Quran . They all have the same meaning . It is you pagan that chose to interpret it to your shallow mind 😀

Oh quran.com are pagan now including the Saudi royal family abi

Coming from an African who faces Saudi to pray that sounds like blasphemy

Now you're claiming that transliteration of the Qur'an is more important than translation whatever that nonsense means

You guys simply live and breath taqiyya

AntiChristian:
You should bring the hadith that goes against what i said since you accused me of lying!

You should my first comment again!

You should bring the hadith that supports what you said
Even the Op can't quote and hadith or quran to back up his claim
What we all know is that a woman pregnant out of wedlock was ordered stoned by Muhammad which negates this thread
If you don't find anything wrong with this thread, then bring an hadith that supports it and your meaningless claim of no kissing before nikaah

Antlislaam:
ABIRUN, oya behold the contradictions in your war manual book Quran. Just few out of hundreds

Werey , they were not contradictions.

See the real contradiction in your man made book

1.

“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.” — Exodus 20:8

“One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” — Romans 14:5

2.

“… the earth abideth for ever.” — Ecclesiastes 1:4

“… the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” — 2Peter 3:10

3.

“… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30

“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18

4. “… Thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God…” — Leviticus 18:21

[In Judges, though, the tale of Jephthah, who led the Israelites against the Ammonoites, is being told. Being fearful of defeat, this good religious man sought to guarantee victory by getting god firmly on his side. So he prayed to god] “… If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD’s, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering” — Judges 11:30-31

5.
with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26

“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19

6. “…thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. ” — Exodus 21:23-25

“…ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.” — Matthew 5:39

7.

This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.” — Genesis 17:10

“…if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.” — Galatians 5:2

8. Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother…” — Deuteronomy 27:22

“And if a man shall take his sister, his father’s daughter, or his mother’s daughter…it is a wicked thing….” — Leviticus 20:17

9.

Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart…” — Ecclesiastes 9:7

“…they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not…” — 1 Corinthians 7:30

10 .
The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” — Ezekiel 18:20

“I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5


Do you need more ? 😀

Kukutente23:
Oh quran.com are pagan now including the Saudi royal family abi

Coming from an African who faces Saudi to pray that sounds like blasphemy

Now you're claiming that transliteration of the Qur'an is more important than translation whatever that nonsense means

You guys simply live and breath taqiyya

Pagan can never understand until they enter he’ll fire ; that is the only place your eyes will open.

Meanwhile , this is the real taqiyyah you are looking for :

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

DeepSight:
I grant this is an interesting take, but -

1. Do you see the chicken and egg problem here? Namely - which came first - the lying spirit from Yahweh or the so called desire for lies of Ahab? Mind you, it is questionable that Ahab was looking for lies, for he asked - "how many times will I ask you to swear that you speak the truth?"

2. Even if one grants that these people were liars and wanted lies - is it not the day job of Lucifer to disseminate such to them? Why should the most high God - The LIVING LIGHT, The God of Truth, busy himself creating lies to "assist" their deceitful nature?

3. It is not true that he did it because they liked lies. He did it because he wanted to destroy Ahab at Ramoth-Gilead, for his general wickedness.

4. If this were the only instance its a different thing. Throughout the OT Yahweh is involved in all sorts of dark, indecorous, deceitful and murderous schemes which are fit only for one with the lowest of gutter morals.

No chicken or egg exists here. It is established from that chapter that Ahab does not like Micaiah and had banished him from his presence because he said things he did not like to hear. Go back and read the passage I quoted. Even the servant sent to fetch Micaiah warned him to follow the lies of the other 400 prophets which means even they knew that they were being lied to. Now, at the end, when Micaiah was forced to speak the truth, what happened? He was beaten up, jailed and Ahab still went ahead to follow the fake prophets. So do you still blame God for Ahab's decision to go along with the false prophets?

And God did not create the lie. It was the spirit that did that. But at least without doubt, those prophets were already liars before then for them to still be in Ahab's service.

You mean God can only destroy Ahab at Gilead? Or you mean God can't make them win at Gilead if he was on their side?

Unfortunately you can't be in a place to question God's morals except you've higher power or authority over him which you do not. He is the Ultimate Judge of all creatures and what he says is right us they becomes right. He is above the law and beyond it self. That's why he's supreme and sovereign and there's no questioning his authority or decisions. If he chooses to destroy all of his creation, there's no grounds for you to question him just as you can't question Ford Motors for recalling an SUV they produced from the market.