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Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by PDPdestroyer(m): 10:05pm On Dec 14, 2024
Please nairalanders, forgive the OP, he got this advice from a mad man at Upper Iweka.
Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by Angelfrost(m): 10:06pm On Dec 14, 2024
pongwa:
Defamation is a serious offence and should be "re-criminalised" with severe penalties. You need to understand the damages libel can cause to people. The saying 'he who alleges must be able to prove" should stand please
That's why you sue and get the person to pay dearly for damages or face prison in lieu of.

A civil issue doesn't become criminal because you feel hard done by.

A criminal matter is a criminal matter.

Let's talk like people that went to school.
Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by FreeStuffsNG:
[quote author=DesChyko post=133297329][/quote]Please stop misinforming the public. Defamation is a serious crime everywhere in the world! It's up to the victim to explore the Civil or criminal prosecution option.

Most folks in the west prefer Civil because they can cash out big time and still jail you if you can't pay. Go and read about the case of Alex Jones and Sandy Hook. If you are criminally defamed , you may even decide to let go but it doesn't mean that it is not a crime and the perpetrator can't be prosecuted in the future.

Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by Rebelutionary: 10:10pm On Dec 14, 2024
advanceDNA:
Yes...it can cause damages to reputation and perhaps financial loss...
However you said...i said ..i don't like what you said is not a criminal offence.....Nigerians that have power just kept that law to oppress masses so they dont speak..
..it's a civil issue that should at best attract financial penalties....i hope u are aware that the plaintiff also has to prove in court how the words of the defendant has caused them damages they are trying to claim.......or u think just because the claim is not true is enough to make the defendant to pay or go to jail??

It's a civil suit in sane countries which can lead to some jail term
If the plaintiff has to prove in court how the defendant has caused him damages, how come it is the same "defendant" that wants defamation decriminalised? Oops!

Some of you Nigerians want freedom without harsh consequences and now that people have woken up to the reality of the tool they have, the "defendants" are losing sleep. Before now what we were reading which annoyed me greatly was that line of "My attention has been drawn to bla bla bla"...now, no more of that, boom, you get served court summons!

We have to make this suing culture commonplace that way we have a balance in exercising our freedom of speech! You have the right to speech, and I have a right to sue!

To those of you using the tool of blackmail by telling us that one day we will be in soup and what not...hmm...you have every reason to be worried for yourselves and not for us and if you think Nairaland will be immune for very long with the unverirfiable rash some of you utter about people here, think again!
Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by Bluffly: 10:10pm On Dec 14, 2024
Godwin4444:
I have always known u to b unintelligent

So u want us to decriminise libel so ipob can have a field day saying anything they want about anybody right?

Guy if u accuse or allege then get ready to prove it
You are the unintelligent one. Decriminlising defamation does not mean the person will not be ready to prove. You can still sue to court and if the defendant damns the court, he or she can also be arrested for contempt. We need a society where humanity thrives and not tyranny.
Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by Wallade(m): 10:11pm On Dec 14, 2024
gidgiddy:
Defamation, also known as slander or libel, has to be decriminalised. Defamation should be a purely civil matter. Most of the major countries of the world no longer have criminal defamation, they have civil defamation.

The big issue with having criminal defamation is that it is now being used by people in 'high places' to intimidate, harass abd subjugate less fortunate people.

Examples are ERISCO and Chioma, Burna Boy and speed Darlington, Afe Babaloa and Dele Farotimi

In these cases, the complainant will write petition, claiming someone made a false presentation. Before you know it, the accused will be arrested, wisked away to another part of the country, clamped in detention for weeks or even months, even before they are charged to court.

The police should not be part of 'he said-she said', arresting people and clamping them in detention over what they said.

If you feel someone has defamed you, sue them to court and claim damages, it should not be a Police matter, nor a criminal matter
Why should we decriminalize it?
Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by gigabyte13: 10:14pm On Dec 14, 2024
So , you defamed me, l should not report you to police or what exactly is your point...huhhuh??
No be police wey l report you to, go arrange court papers for our two....huhhuhhuh??
My brother if you no get fact
No go dey yarn rubbish
Freedom of speech dey
But freedoms after speech no dey.
No just dey open ya gutter mouth
Talk rubbish anyhow.
I support both civil and criminal case against defamation, both cases go go court proceedings na abi which one you dey talk again.
Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by MamaOghenero(f): 10:14pm On Dec 14, 2024
Godwin4444:
I have always known u to b unintelligent

So u want us to decriminise libel so ipob can have a field day saying anything they want about anybody right?

Guy if u accuse or allege then get ready to prove it
Keep shut!!! You're an ignorant fellow.
Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by DesChyko: 10:16pm On Dec 14, 2024
FreeStuffsNG:
Please stop misinforming the public. Defamation is a serious crime everywhere in the world!
Did you actually read the very first line of the screenshot you posted? It clearly says "There is no criminal defamation laws at the Federal level. Everywhere in the world indeed.

I assume this refers to the United States. According to the article you just shared, out of 50 states, 27 states don't have it as criminal (That's more of them by the way), while 23 have it as 'a mere option'. But let's crunch the numbers.

The First Amendment and Supreme Court limits even the remaining 23 (24 actually) from randomly applying such criminal defamation laws in the US. You think US is Nigeria?

Stop rushing to defend what you know little about!
Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by LillyandDaisy: 10:20pm On Dec 14, 2024
Heard someone is already in prison for the offense so is not yet a criminal offense ?
Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by pongwa(m): 10:20pm On Dec 14, 2024
obiekunie01:
WHAT GOES AROUND. COMES AROUND.
yes, we must be held accountable for our actions too that's fair
Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by QueenRebecca(f): 10:21pm On Dec 14, 2024
gidgiddy:
Defamation, also known as slander or libel, has to be decriminalised. Defamation should be a purely civil matter. Most of the major countries of the world no longer have criminal defamation, they have civil defamation.
ONRN

You want to run your mouth anyhow but you don't want take responsibility for consequences. It's does not work that way.

You will not know how it feels until a woman label you a rapist when your reputation at stake.

A quick check shows that some of these countries still have law on defamation. WRY.

Here is the list of countries with defamation laws:

1. United States
2. Australia
3. India
4. Singapore
5. South Africa
6. United Arab Emirates
7. Saudi Arabia
8. China
9. Japan
10. Brazil
11. Russia
12. Turkey
13. Egypt
14. Malaysia
15. Indonesia

(Courtesy of Google)

Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by FreeStuffsNG:
[quote author=DesChyko post=133297630][/quote]Smh.

What it tells you is that it's usually prosecuted as a State crime up to their Supreme Court in that state. Other states have equivalent in civil and if you don't pay the judgment debt awarded against you in a civil libel case, you can be arrested by the Police and jailed. So indirectly, it's a crime that will eventually involve the police and law enforcement agents.

My point is to stop you from misleading people about criminal defamation it's a crime everywhere in the world including the USA. We even need to reinforce the punishment more in Nigeria. The punishment for it in Nigeria is too weak!

Even God HATES criminal defamers! Proverbs 6: 16-19

Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by geoworldedu: 10:25pm On Dec 14, 2024
Godwin4444:
I have always known u to b unintelligent

So u want us to decriminise libel so ipob can have a field day saying anything they want about anybody right?

Guy if u accuse or allege then get ready to prove it
Chai! You have quickly brought IPOB into this matter. I wonder how some people's brains work Sha. As if they poured Maggi inside your brain. Na wa o.
Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by lailo: 10:33pm On Dec 14, 2024
DesChyko:
Defamation is never a criminal offence in the sane world; and it becomes defamation if proven to be untrue. It's a person's reputation that's affected and that doesn't make it a felony. How in the world that is criminal at the slightest whim is just plain stupid.

It's in Nigeria where things are upside down that defamation is a criminal offence, and the accused is kidnapped before being found guilty, whisked down to an employer's backyard just because the employer can afford to pay, and all manner of malpractice take place in the courts.

Hell, US FBI track down high profile criminals and solve issues of national security while Nigerian DSS go after tailors who fail to deliver client clothes on time, and go after booksellers selling books they are paid not to like.🤷🏾‍♂️

Very anyhow country.
Corruption does not also attract death penalty in Nigeria and other countries but in some Asian countries like the Almighty China, it is death penalty. So shut the fvck and allow Nigeria deal with our peculiar problem the way we want it.
Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by RecentHistory: 10:53pm On Dec 14, 2024
Igbo Obidients are crying that defamation should not be criminalised.

They know that the nonsense they say will land many of them in jail. Useless criminals, una go see shege. grin
Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by DesChyko: 10:57pm On Dec 14, 2024
lailo:
Corruption does not also attract death penalty in Nigeria and other countries but in some Asian countries like the Almighty China, it is death penalty. So shut the fvck and allow Nigeria deal with our peculiar problem the way we want it.
It's always them.
Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by AfDapone: 11:31pm On Dec 14, 2024
pongwa:
Defamation is a serious offence and should be "re-criminalised" with severe penalties. You need to understand the damages libel can cause to people. The saying 'he who alleges must be able to prove" should stand please
How is it still a criminal matter? Do anybody who has to prove a criminal?
Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by PDPdestroyer(m): 11:31pm On Dec 14, 2024
I can see Obidiõts running around like headless chickens since this Farotimi case began
They know that once a precedence is set with the ongoing case, most defamers(mostly Obi supporters) will definitely get their asses burnt and in the process lose the only thing they can sell Obi with i.e criminal defamation of his political opponents grin
Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by AfDapone: 11:34pm On Dec 14, 2024
lailo:
Corruption does not also attract death penalty in Nigeria and other countries but in some Asian countries like the Almighty China, it is death penalty. So shut the fvck and allow Nigeria deal with our peculiar problem the way we want it.
So this is how you deal with your country's peculiar problem.

Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by Omoawoke(m): 11:42pm On Dec 14, 2024
I wish this can work on some sick folks on this nairaland.
Some stinky people that feel they can talk because they are on faceless forum
Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by MetaMatrix: 11:45pm On Dec 14, 2024
I found this piece somewhere


Final chapter of the GRV findings. If you ain’t intellectually sound, do not comment here. You gotta be objective. This is explosive 🧨

Full Name: Patrick Chinedu Rhodes-Vivour.
Nickname: Gbadebo

Official Documents Name: Patrick Rhodes-Vivour

Critical Observations:

- Lack of Yoruba language skills despite claimed Lagos origin
- Suspicion about true parentage and background
- Potential deliberate misrepresentation of identity
- Native language proficiency is a strong indicator of genuine cultural roots
- Speaking Igbo fluently suggests deeper Igbo connections
- His inability to speak Yoruba despite claiming Lagos roots seems highly unusual
-potential complex backstory involving identity concealment
- Ethnicity and origin play crucial roles in political representation
- Cultural authenticity is deeply valued
- Misrepresentation: serious moral and political transgression

Findings:

Political Identity Inconsistencies:
- Claims Lagos origin
- Speaks Igbo fluently
- Cannot speak Yoruba
- Strong Igbo cultural markers

Implications:

1. Possible non-indigenous background
2. Potential misrepresentation of personal history
3. Strategic positioning for political advantage
4. Deliberate obfuscation of true origins

Context:

- In Nigeria, ethnic identity is crucial for political legitimacy
- Lagos gubernatorial race requires authentic local connection
- Language proficiency is a key cultural authenticity marker
- Fabricating background could be seen as significant political misconduct

Possibilities:

- Born outside Lagos
- Adopted/Non-biological family connection of the Rhodes-Vivour family
- Manufactured identity narrative
- Strategic ethnic repositioning

Red Flags:
- Birth certificate potentially purchased
- Language disconnect
- Inconsistent cultural representation
- Suspicious personal narrative

Critical Flags:

- Derogatory statements about the Yoruba people
- Explicit declaration of not "thinking in Yoruba"
- 95% Igbo follower demographic
- Apparent psychological disconnection from claimed Yoruba identity

Political Motivations:

1. Strategic political infiltration
2. Using Lagos platform for personal/ethnic agenda
3. Possible deep-seated ethnic resentment
4. Calculated identity manipulation

Profile Indicators:

- Demonstrates contempt for claimed ethnic group
- Shows stronger affinity with Igbo community
- Suggests possible hidden ethnic identity
- Indicates potential identity crisis or deliberate misrepresentation

Dynamics:

- Lagos is traditionally Yoruba political territory
- His approach seems provocative and confrontational
- Appears to be challenging established ethnic political structures
- Potentially attempting to destabilize existing power dynamics

My Final Interpretation:

- GRV adopted a calculated political strategy by
- Using legal/procedural loopholes
- Attempting to redefine ethnic political boundaries
- Potentially representing external political interests
Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by jasent(m): 11:50pm On Dec 14, 2024
pongwa:
Defamation is a serious offence and should be "re-criminalised" with severe penalties. You need to understand the damages libel can cause to people. The saying 'he who alleges must be able to prove" should stand please
Be for you term it defamation it needs to be proven first in the court of law.
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Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by ChiefOkporghe: 12:09am On Dec 15, 2024
QuotaSystem:
The only people that have an issue against criminal defamation, are the serial defamers in our social media space, and those that only have the production and spread of wicked & deliberate lies and propaganda, as their only political tool/weapon with which they confront opponents.

That’s why the current reality that any criminal defamer that deliberately publishes lies & propaganda to defame opponents can be promptly thrown in jail, is like hot Moruga pepper in their eyes, giving them migraine headaches & sleepless nights.

Otherwise why should anyone be scared and running in circles because of the law of criminal defamation? If you have an allegation against anyone, AS LONG AS YOU CAN PROVE IT, then go right ahead and say or publish it. Anyone that dares to challenge you will not only lose shamefully to your evidence in court, but will be exposed to further ridicule with the presentation of your evidence.
Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by teepain: 12:20am On Dec 15, 2024
Angelfrost:
That's why you sue and get the person to pay dearly for damages or face prison in lieu of.

A civil issue doesn't become criminal because you feel hard done by.

A criminal matter is a criminal matter.

Let's talk like people that went to school.
What makes a matter criminal or civil is the constitution. And if it has been proven that our constitution provides for criminal defamation then people ought to be doubly sure of their facts before they go about defaming others.

Though it may be true that aggrieved parties who feel defamed can sue for damages, it is important to note that damages alone may not be able to cure the injury suffered by defamed people. I agree that it is a double-edged sword but Nigerians need to show more restraint in how they use the media, especially, social media in spreading rumours or unsubstantiated claims against others. Privileges come with responsibilities.
Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by omojeesu(m): 3:49am On Dec 15, 2024
Thank you!

There are pros and cons, advantages and disadvantages on this matter. It can indeed be used to oppress people. A corrupt government can use it to censor dissent and enthrone dictatorship and tyranny. The powerful to silence the poor. This is the dream of the globalists for all countries.

Declaration of guilt or innocence by a human court system is not final. Ultimately God is the true and Final Judge! God remains true though all men are liars!

End times things.....The worst is yet to come...




gidgiddy:
Defamation, also known as slander or libel, has to be decriminalised. Defamation should be a purely civil matter. Most of the major countries of the world no longer have criminal defamation, they have civil defamation.

The big issue with having criminal defamation is that it is now being used by people in 'high places' to intimidate, harass abd subjugate less fortunate people.

Examples are ERISCO and Chioma, Burna Boy and speed Darlington, Afe Babaloa and Dele Farotimi

In these cases, the complainant will write petition, claiming someone made a false presentation. Before you know it, the accused will be arrested, wisked away to another part of the country, clamped in detention for weeks or even months, even before they are charged to court.

The police should not be part of 'he said-she said', arresting people and clamping them in detention over what they said.

If you feel someone has defamed you, sue them to court and claim damages, it should not be a Police matter, nor a criminal matter
Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by joseph1832(m): 5:02am On Dec 15, 2024
gidgiddy:
Defamation, also known as slander or libel, has to be decriminalised. Defamation should be a purely civil matter. Most of the major countries of the world no longer have criminal defamation, they have civil defamation.

The big issue with having criminal defamation is that it is now being used by people in 'high places' to intimidate, harass abd subjugate less fortunate people.

Examples are ERISCO and Chioma, Burna Boy and speed Darlington, Afe Babaloa and Dele Farotimi

In these cases, the complainant will write petition, claiming someone made a false presentation. Before you know it, the accused will be arrested, wisked away to another part of the country, clamped in detention for weeks or even months, even before they are charged to court.

The police should not be part of 'he said-she said', arresting people and clamping them in detention over what they said.

If you feel someone has defamed you, sue them to court and claim damages, it should not be a Police matter, nor a criminal matter
You're just being mischievous. The cases you sited, have all the so called victims you claim them to be, saying things they can't prove.

Defamation should still stand as a criminal offense, if not, people will start saying what they can't prove in other to gain traffic and even you, who wrote this load of bullcrap, won't like it, if I come to social media and start saying I fvcked your mother. Lol.

So you see, defamation should never be decriminalized, if not people will never learn. They still aren't learning even though defamation is a criminal offense, talkless of when it's not a criminal offense.
Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by rajiedreez: 5:03am On Dec 15, 2024
So many peoples lives have been ruined by others through their speech. As cheap as talk is, it can have a severe and damaging effects on people's lives. We need to be cautious of our statements
Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by Sobalim: 5:32am On Dec 15, 2024
Godwin4444:
I have always known u to b unintelligent

So u want us to decriminise libel so ipob can have a field day saying anything they want about anybody right?

Guy if u accuse or allege then get ready to prove it
Mugu you zombiees said unprintable things about GEj and went scot free. Now that your druggie is in power you don't want to be criticized. Amadioha Kee you there Ediotic zombiee
Re: It Is Time To Decriminalise Defamation by Free2Fly: 5:39am On Dec 15, 2024
Strictlygreen:
You have your Biafra. You can do whatever you like with your constitution.
The same Biafra you haters don't want to hear about.
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