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AntiChristian:
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. Deuteronomy 21:18-21

Mightysparrow suppose don follow this treatment go tey tey!

You fit explain the science behind this stoning too?

MightySparrow:
Just a moral code nothing scientific there. But then to Israelites not for this time. Same reason, Christiana don't circumcize to know God. Discipline of children, yes,; killing them , no.

Join our Bible study class, dear Abdul.

MaxInDHouse:
God's standard on this never changed!

Back then the law or constitution in Israel says a rebellious child must be killed so as not to corrupt the other children today true Christians follow the same standard but since God's Kingdom has been taken away from the earth in 607 b.c.e. believers now live under human governments where death penalty only comes from the superior authority who don't regard God's laws.

That's the purpose of DISFELLOWSHIPING the unrepentant wrongdoer {Matthew 18:15-17} we will no longer greet him not even eat with him {2John 10-11} it's like pelting such a person with stones. 1Corinthians 5:11-13

The difference is he may later repent and come back to his senses so that we welcome him back into the global spiritual family {2Corinthians 2:5-8} unlike the former law such ones have the chance to make a U-turn.

AntiChristian:
Sir no be all children are stoned o! Na only rebellious sons!
Do you know why rebellious girls or ladies are not stoned?

AntiChristian:
So God approved killing stubborn children for Israelites at one time?
Which law abrogated that law of stoning such stubborn sons and why sons only girls no dey dey stubborn ?

MaxInDHouse:
God's standard on this never changed!

Back then the law or constitution in Israel says a rebellious child must be killed so as not to corrupt the other children today true Christians follow the same standard but since God's Kingdom has been taken away from the earth in 607 b.c.e. believers now live under human governments where death penalty only comes from the superior authority who don't regard God's laws.

That's the purpose of DISFELLOWSHIPING the unrepentant wrongdoer {Matthew 18:15-17} we will no longer greet him not even eat with him {2John 10-11} it's like pelting such a person with stones. 1Corinthians 5:11-13

The difference is he may later repent and come back to his senses so that we welcome him back into the global spiritual family {2Corinthians 2:5-8} unlike the former law such ones have the chance to make a U-turn.

MightySparrow:
Grace. The Law was given to Moses mainly for the children of Israel. Since Jesus' resurrection, no such laws again.


Gal.3.21 - Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Gal.3.23 - But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal.3.24 - Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal.4.4 - But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal.4.5 - To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

AntiChristian:

You still dey quote Paul. Paul just came for damage control after Jesus said it is finished.

Jesus own don finish!

How is God fair by killing stubborn sons and later stopping?

This is not fair at all!

God just dey change syllabus of salvation!

MightySparrow:
Not at all. Jesus handed over to Peter , who supposed to know that the Old Testament ended with Jesus and that they must preaching the good news to all humanity. Peter was still holding to the age Long practices and traditions. He was warned in a vision, he didn't understand. He even refused to eat with his converts. Jesus now brought in Saul, a killer, an opposer,but knowledgeable in the Law and the prophets, taught him what to do and teach. Peter was tactically retired.

2 Peter later commended Paul and confessed that he had little idea about his knowledge. 2Pet.3.15 - And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

2Pet.3.15 - And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pet.3.16 - As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

So Paul took over and gave his all to the spread of the gospel. He was zealous to the point of death, defending what was committed to his care.

Gal.1.11 - But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal.1.12 - For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Gal.1.13 - For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
Gal.1.14 - And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
Gal.1.15 - But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
Gal.1.16 - To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Christianity is not a new brand of Judaism or continuation of it. It is a New religion based on a New Testament. New, not renewed.

Bless you

AntiChristian:
Same Peter the Rock that denied Jesus three times? What a joke!
Why did Jesus say "it is finished" if he still needs to send Paul later?
Why didn't Jesus inform the 12 about Paul after resurrection but told them he will send the comforter.
I guess the comforter is not enough too!
Paul still need to come again!

MightySparrow:
This is the same ignorance we are talking about.
What did Jesus say,' finished '?
Let us hear your idea.

AntiChristian:
Tell us from Jesus's word himself? I know you're wired to tell me your salvation in Jesus was sealed by that statement but na lie!
Jesus never told anyone to believe in his death to be saved!

Did Jesus promise Paul will come after him?

Is Paul the second comforter?

MightySparrow:
How can someone who suddenly discovered himself and the true Jehovah return to delusion?

MightySparrow:
You are far from the truth. Jesus Christ said it severally through the prophets before his first advent.

That is why I told you that the Bible is a progressive revelation. If you take a verse out of it's content all you get is confusion. Thatt is exactly what Islam teaches you not about the God of the Bible but a different God unknown to Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Paul and the apostles.

1Pet.1.10 - Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1Pet.1.11 - Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

AntiChristian:
Jesus didn't say anything through any prophet! All Prophet never knew Jesus apart from John the Baptist!

You should show us where Abraham, Moses and John the Baptist worshipped three in one God as you do today! Trinity was foreign to all of them! Trinity was fixed in the councils from Nicaea in 325 AD to several others in 385 and 451AD.



Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. Deuteronomy 6:4 -----Moses!

Mark 12:29-30
Jesus replied, “This is the most important: ‘Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One. / Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’...........Jesus!

John 17:3
Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent..........Jesus!

Isaiah 45:5-6
I am the LORD, and there is no other; there is no God but Me. I will equip you for battle, though you have not known Me, / so that all may know, from where the sun rises to where it sets, that there is none but Me; I am the LORD, and there is no other...........Isaiah!

Psalm 86:10
For You are great and perform wonders; You alone are God..........Psalmist!

MightySparrow:
That is the confusion again.
Do you agree that Jesus is the word of God?

…O Mary! Behold, God gives you good news of a word from Him, who shall become known as the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary..." (Quran 3:45)

AntiChristian:
Yes but simply metaphorically and as a moniker from God! Cos when God speaks, Jesus does not come out!

Also the Qur'an, Injeel and Torah are words of God. They are not the same as Jesus!

What is your idea about the 'word'


Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was. (Qur'an 3:59) So the word is "be" and he was. For both Adam and Jesus.