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Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op): 5:32am On Dec 16, 2024
sonmvayina:
There are no evidence for myths....
Just same old stories flying around.

The only difference is the person telling the story..
It hard for any one who have touched the powers of God to believe you your problem is your have not sent the power of God it will be too late for you
when you will see the power and regret
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by sonmvayina(m): 12:58pm On Dec 16, 2024
Kingsnairaland:
It hard for any one who have touched the powers of God to believe you your problem is your have not sent the power of God it will be too late for you
when you will see the power and regret
Which God
The one that impregnated another man's wife or another one??
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Janosky: 6:02pm On Dec 16, 2024
Kingsnairaland:
The Bible tells us in 1 Thessalonians 5:23 that we were all created with three parts—a spirit, a soul, and a body:

“And the God of peace Himself sanctify you wholly, and may your
spirit and
soul and
body
be preserved complete, without blame, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

The human soul is created by God
(Jeremiah 38:16).

Jeremiah 38:16 (ESV)
16 Then King Zedekiah swore secretly to Jeremiah, "As the Lord lives, who made our souls, I will not put you to death or deliver you into the hand of these men who seek your life."

The soul also
It can be strong or unsteady (2 Peter 2:14);

it can be lost or saved (James 1:21; Ezekiel 18:4).

We know that the human soul needs atonement (Leviticus 17:11)

and is the part of us that is purified and protected by the truth and the work of the Holy Spirit (1 Peter 1:22).

Jesus is the great Shepherd of souls
(1 Peter 2:25).

Matthew 11:29 tells us that we can turn to Jesus Christ to find rest for our souls.

Psalm 16:9-10 is a Messianic psalm that allows us to see that Jesus also had a soul.
David wrote, “Therefore my heart is glad, and my whole being rejoices; my flesh also dwells secure. For you will not abandon my soul to Sheol, or let your holy one see corruption.”

This cannot be speaking of David (as Paul points out in Acts 13:35-37) because David’s body did see corruption and decay when he died. But Jesus Christ’s body never saw corruption...
(He was resurrected), and His soul was not abandoned to Sheol. Jesus, as the Son of Man, has a soul....


I know you will not read this things properly

Because you block your heart from knowing who Jesus is

That why you can't see it...

Glory
The Bible DID NOT tell us in 1 Thessalonians 5:23 that we were all created with three parts—a spirit, a soul, and a body:

Paul practiced Judaism before his conversion.
He never subscribe to the 3 parts of man Greek inspired philosophical dictum.

Did he express the sentiments of 1 Thessalonians 5:23
@ Hebrew 4:12?
No!
The word of God did not divide three parts @ Hebrew 4:12.
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op): 12:59pm On Dec 17, 2024
sonmvayina:
Which God
The one that impregnated another man's wife or another one??
Don't be vulger
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op): 1:04pm On Dec 17, 2024
Janosky:
The Bible DID NOT tell us in 1 Thessalonians 5:23 that we were all created with three parts—a spirit, a soul, and a body:

Paul practiced Judaism before his conversion.
He never subscribe to the 3 parts of man Greek inspired philosophical dictum.

Did he express the sentiments of 1 Thessalonians 5:23
@ Hebrew 4:12?
No!
The word of God did not divide three parts @ Hebrew 4:12.
1 Thessalonians 5:23

And the God of peace Himself sanctify you wholly, and may your
spirit and
soul and
body
be preserved complete, without blame, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Put it in Ai English check since you don't know what wholly means it means all your part then Paul list that part as soul body spirit

The first post also shows where Bible points out who created the soul

Jeremiah 38:16 (ESV)
16 Then King Zedekiah swore secretly to Jeremiah, "As the Lord lives, who made our souls, I will not put you to death or deliver you into the hand of these men who seek your life."

God spreads his wisdom on each verse in the bible to hide his wisdom from those who think they can only know God by reading it in one place

As the Lord lives, who made our souls

Read it till you see it

If there is no soul why will Bible keep talking about it over ten times

Boy you don't know who Jesus is
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Michael547(m): 2:02pm On Dec 17, 2024
Kingsnairaland:
1 Thessalonians 5:23

And the God of peace Himself sanctify you wholly, and may your
spirit and
soul and
body
be preserved complete, without blame, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Put it in Ai English check since you don't know what wholly means it means all your part then Paul list that part as soul body spirit

The first post also shows where Bible points out who created the soul

Jeremiah 38:16 (ESV)
16 Then King Zedekiah swore secretly to Jeremiah, "As the Lord lives, who made our souls, I will not put you to death or deliver you into the hand of these men who seek your life."

God spreads his wisdom on each verse in the bible to hide his wisdom from those who think they can only know God by reading it in one place

As the Lord lives, who made our souls

Read it till you see it

If there is no soul why will Bible keep talking about it over ten times

Boy you don't know who Jesus is
Oga the soul in Jeremiah 38:16 clearly means life as seen in another translation below.

Do you agree with Jesus that man is divided into four separate part as stated in Mark 12:30?

Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by sonmvayina(m): 2:39pm On Dec 17, 2024
Kingsnairaland:
Don't be vulger
Was it a lie...

Just imagine Joseph coming home from his carpentry workshop and boom, holy Spirit impregnates his wife...?

Funny isn't it...

But that part was one of the red flags that made me research the religion. I found out it was all lies and made up stories...
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:25pm On Dec 17, 2024
sonmvayina:
But that part was one of the red flags that made me research the religion. I found out it was all lies and made up stories...
Just as Genesis to Malachi was all lies and made up stories yet you kept it! cheesy
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op): 3:56am On Dec 18, 2024
sonmvayina:
Was it a lie...

Just imagine Joseph coming home from his carpentry workshop and boom, holy Spirit impregnates his wife...?

Funny isn't it...

But that part was one of the red flags that made me research the religion. I found out it was all lies and made up stories...
He was not married to her yet and no law says you can't marry a surrogate
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op): 4:10am On Dec 18, 2024
Michael547:
Oga the soul in Jeremiah 38:16 clearly means life as seen in another translation below.

Do you agree with Jesus that man is divided into four separate part as stated in Mark 12:30?
Don't be confused soul, body and spirit are all what makes you to have your life
stop trying to confuse yourself lol

If your soul has a problem your will be mad or in a coma

If your spirit has a problem your will be dead or having heart problems

If your body has a problem you will be sick or unwell

So the three part is what makes you have a life

Soul was mention almost 520 times! In the bible yet you blind your eyes and say it does not exist

W
The veil that block your heart is so mighty you will just be going in a circle every day if you continue to refuse to see man is made or man actually exist in three parts




New Living Translation
And you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind, and all your strength



Attached to your conscious mind is your
5 senses, that you use to
see,
hear,
smell,
taste and
touch the outside world with.

Now the soul controls the head and in your head lays many other non physical part or non physical organs like the mind and senses

The children of Israel loved God with their soul after he saved them from Egypt yet when problems came to them physically which affected their minds they rebelled

So here God is saying love me with both your soul and mind
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Michael547(m):
Kingsnairaland:
Don't be confused soul, body and spirit are all what makes you to have your life
stop trying to confuse yourself lol

If your soul has a problem your will be mad or in a coma

If your spirit has a problem your will be dead or having heart problems

If your body has a problem you will be sick or unwell

So the three part is what makes you have a life

Soul was mention almost 520 times! In the bible yet you blind your eyes and say it does not exist

W
The veil that block your heart is so mighty you will just be going in a circle every day if you continue to refuse to see man is made or man actually exist in three parts
Oga you are the one confused here. You are trying to claim that the soul mentioned in Jeremiah 38:16 is separate from the body. But you have proved yourself wrong.



New Living Translation
And you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind, and all your strength



Attached to your conscious mind is your
5 senses, that you use to
see,
hear,
smell,
taste and
touch the outside world with.

Now the soul controls the head and in your head lays many other non physical part or non physical organs like the mind and senses

The children of Israel loved God with their soul after he saved them from Egypt yet when problems came to them physically which affected their minds they rebelled

So here God is saying love me with both your soul and mind
Oga are you saying that the five human senses are not physical?

Oga did Jesus say that man is made up of four seperate part in mark 12:30? Yes or no?
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by sonmvayina(m): 9:05am On Dec 18, 2024
Kingsnairaland:
He was not married to her yet and no law says you can't marry a surrogate
Says who..he was already betrothed to her. That is as good as marriage..
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by sonmvayina(m): 9:09am On Dec 18, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Just as Genesis to Malachi was all lies and made up stories yet you kept it! cheesy
There are spiritual knowledge and moral instructions in it...that is what I take from it..

The letter killeth my brother...
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:27am On Dec 18, 2024
sonmvayina:
There are spiritual knowledge and moral instructions in it...that is what I take from it..
The letter killeth my brother...
Who is your brother?

I thought Paul is not supposed to be quoted? cheesy
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op): 10:20am On Dec 18, 2024
Michael547:
Oga you are the one confused here. You are trying to claim that the soul mentioned in Jeremiah 38:16 is separate from the body. But you have proved yourself wrong.




Oga are you saying that the five human senses are not physical?

Oga did Jesus say that man is made up of four seperate part in mark 12:30? Yes or no?
The soul is an entity on it own but it is within the body that is the main point the soul that is within the body can be seen with a spiritual eyes

The soul within the body when the body dies it can speak it can still exist in it own soul body and it will be at a state of rest anytime the body dies

Till when God
Gives it a new physical body called spiritual body

So continue to be confused because you don't want to admit that trinity exist that why you run around a circle

I told you mind is inside the soul yet you ask useless questions multiple times

Does it mean you can't read
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op): 10:22am On Dec 18, 2024
sonmvayina:
Says who..he was already betrothed to her. That is as good as marriage..
Nope it not as good as marriage because no sex took place no bride price has been paid

They were just engaged
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Michael547(m): 10:52am On Dec 18, 2024
Kingsnairaland:
The soul is an entity on it own but it is within the body that is the main point the soul that is within the body can be seen with a spiritual eyes

The soul within the body when the body dies it can speak it can still exist in it own soul body and it will be at a state of rest anytime the body dies

Till when God
Gives it a new physical body called spiritual body


So continue to be confused because you don't want to admit that trinity exist that why you run around a circle
😂😂😂......so the soul neither has a physical body nor a spiritual body. Na wa oo....so what kind of body does the soul have?

I told you mind is inside the soul yet you ask useless questions multiple times

Does it mean you can't read
Did Jesus tell you in mark 12:30 that the mind is inside the soul?

Oga did Jesus say that man is made up of four seperate part in mark 12:30? Yes or no?
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op): 6:19pm On Dec 18, 2024
Michael547:
😂😂😂......so the soul neither has a physical body nor a spiritual body. Na wa oo....so what kind of body does the soul have?


Did Jesus tell you in mark 12:30 that the mind is inside the soul?

Oga did Jesus say that man is made up of four seperate part in mark 12:30? Yes or no?
Revelation 6:9-11

I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain.” Not only are these the souls of those who have died,
these are the souls of those who have been killed; these are the souls of those who have died a violent death;
these are the souls of those who have been stoned, who have been ...
..

9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?



Your soul and spirit looks just like you and they are in your body

Your soul can speak your spirit too can speak your soul can also be attached within to your spirit
When you die

Though your spirit and your soul will stay in a sleeping state when you die they will wait till the day God will raise all souls from death and they will be given a new physical spirit body called

The spiritual body

Then judgement will begin for your eternal home if it going to be Lake of fire or the new earth
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:39pm On Dec 18, 2024
Michael547:
😂😂😂......so the soul neither has a physical body nor a spiritual body. Na wa oo....so what kind of body does the soul have? Did Jesus tell you in mark 12:30 that the mind is inside the soul? Oga did Jesus say that man is made up of four seperate part in mark 12:30? Yes or no?
Abeg leave this guy because he can send you to Hell-fire without Jesus' consent o! cheesy
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Michael547(m): 7:27pm On Dec 18, 2024
Kingsnairaland:
Revelation 6:9-11

I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain.” Not only are these the souls of those who have died,
these are the souls of those who have been killed; these are the souls of those who have died a violent death;
these are the souls of those who have been stoned, who have been ...
..

9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?



Your soul and spirit looks just like you and they are in your body

Your soul can speak your spirit too can speak your soul can also be attached within to your spirit
When you die

Though your spirit and your soul will stay in a sleeping state when you die they will wait till the day God will raise all souls from death and they will be given a new physical spirit body called

The spiritual body

Then judgement will begin for your eternal home if it going to be Lake of fire or the new earth
So what body do the souls crying in Revelation have?


Did Jesus tell you in mark 12:30 that the mind is inside the soul?

Oga did Jesus say that man is made up of four seperate part in mark 12:30? Yes or no?
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op): 8:05pm On Dec 18, 2024
Michael547:
So what body do the souls crying in Revelation have?


Did Jesus tell you in mark 12:30 that the mind is inside the soul?

Oga did Jesus say that man is made up of four seperate part in mark 12:30? Yes or no?
The soul and spirit looks just like you

But they are not physical
that why
Jesus said

Luke 24:39

Behold my hands and my feet, that it is
I myself: handle me, and see;
for a spirit hath not flesh and bones,
as ye see me have

The second question you asked makes no sense because I already told you the answer

Don't be confused
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op): 8:11pm On Dec 18, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Abeg leave this guy because he can send you to Hell-fire without Jesus' consent o! cheesy
No where were I said I can send anyone to hell

Bible made it clear the characteristics of people who will go to hell

Only those who refuse to believe in Jesus as the bible said

Which means those who refuse to believe Jesus as their saviour

So if you believe Jesus is your savour but refuse to believe he is God your still in an error it shows you think another angel can save you and the real God can't

So you see why it madness to believe Jesus as savour and refuse to accept him as God
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:37pm On Dec 18, 2024
Kingsnairaland:
Bible made it clear the characteristics of people who will go to hell.
Guy hell means grave so everyone goes there at death! smiley
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Michael547(m): 8:53pm On Dec 18, 2024
Kingsnairaland:
The soul and spirit looks just like you

But they are not physical
that why
Jesus said

Luke 24:39

Behold my hands and my feet, that it is
I myself: handle me, and see;
for a spirit hath not flesh and bones,
as ye see me have

The second question you asked makes no sense because I already told you the answer

Don't be confused
Oga I am not asking you what they look like. What kind of body do they have since you said that they neither have physical nor spiritual body.

Did Jesus tell you in mark 12:30 that the mind is inside the soul?

Oga did Jesus say that man is made up of four seperate part in mark 12:30? Yes or no?
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op): 9:46pm On Dec 18, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Guy hell means grave so everyone goes there at death! smiley
The hell I actually mean is lake of fire

Study it in your Bible
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op): 9:59pm On Dec 18, 2024
Michael547:
Oga I am not asking you what they look like. What kind of body do they have since you said that they neither have physical nor spiritual body.

Did Jesus tell you in mark 12:30 that the mind is inside the soul?

Oga did Jesus say that man is made up of four seperate part in mark 12:30? Yes or no?
First God don't put everything in one place in the bible he spreads it

We know the mind is in the soul because Jacob wife when she was dying her mind was saying nonsense and since her mind was saying nonsense because her soul was leaving her body then it shows once your soul is having issues it will affect the mind which it controls and that why Bible said

18 As Rachel’s soul was leaving, for she died, she gave him the name Benoni. But his father gave him the name Benjamin

You ask how the soul looks like it looks like you
Now look at the mirror that is how your soul looks like you can't touch that thing you see in the mirror right

So that is how your soul and spirit looks like

From the bible we know only the soul and mind can be renewed and restored so that how we know the mind is part of the soul
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Michael547(m): 11:27pm On Dec 18, 2024
Kingsnairaland:
First God don't put everything in one place in the bible he spreads it

We know the mind is in the soul because Jacob wife when she was dying her mind was saying nonsense and since her mind was saying nonsense because her soul was leaving her body then it shows once your soul is having issues it will affect the mind which it controls and that why Bible said

18 As Rachel’s soul was leaving, for she died, she gave him the name Benoni. But his father gave him the name Benjamin

You ask how the soul looks like it looks like you
Now look at the mirror that is how your soul looks like you can't touch that thing you see in the mirror right

So that is how your soul and spirit looks like

From the bible we know only the soul and mind can be renewed and restored so that how we know the mind is part of the soul
Oga below in the screenshot is Genesis 35:18 in other versions of the bible. Rachel simply breath her last and died.

Oga what body does the soul have since you said the soul neither has a physical nor spiritual body?

Did Jesus tell you in mark 12:30 that the mind is inside the soul?

Oga did Jesus say that man is made up of four seperate part in mark 12:30? Yes or no?

Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:33am On Dec 19, 2024
Kingsnairaland:
The hell I actually mean is lake of fire
Study it in your Bible
So you study your Bible yet misplacing the two shey?

Well hell means grave and lake of fire means everlasting destruction where there's no hope of resurrection none has anything living inside it! smiley
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op): 12:04pm On Dec 19, 2024
Michael547:
Oga below in the screenshot is Genesis 35:18 in other versions of the bible. Rachel simply breath her last and died.

Oga what body does the soul have since you said the soul neither has a physical nor spiritual body?

Did Jesus tell you in mark 12:30 that the mind is inside the soul?

Oga did Jesus say that man is made up of four seperate part in mark 12:30? Yes or no?
Genesis 35:18

New King James Version
And so it was, as her soul was departing (for she died), that she called his name Ben-Oni; but his father called him Benjamin

Ask your self why those your version was putting
_----__
It to show you the translation was not understood by them

You can see the real difference below and above

Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:10pm On Dec 19, 2024
Kingsnairaland:
Genesis 35:18
New King James Version
And so it was, as her soul was departing (for she died), that she called his name Ben-Oni; but his father called him Benjamin
Ask your self why those your version was putting
_----__
It to show you the translation was not understood by them
You can see the real difference below and above.
Twelve hours gone only to come back with the same thing but wanting to choose what pleases you shey?

Well they're all saying the same thing Rachel's life ended as she breath her last that's what it means!
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op): 12:18pm On Dec 19, 2024
Michael547:
Oga below in the screenshot is Genesis 35:18 in other versions of the bible. Rachel simply breath her last and died.

Oga what body does the soul have since you said the soul neither has a physical nor spiritual body?

Did Jesus tell you in mark 12:30 that the mind is inside the soul?

Oga did Jesus say that man is made up of four seperate part in mark 12:30? Yes or no?
THE SOUL HAVING THREE PARTS

The Mind Being a Part of the Soul
The soul is of three parts—
the mind,
the will,
and the emotion.

This is clearly and definitely proved by the Word of God.
Proverbs 2:10 gives us the spiritual ground to prove that the mind is a part of the soul.

This verse says, “Wisdom will enter your heart, / And knowledge will be pleasant to your soul.” Because knowledge is a matter of the mind, this proves that the mind is a part of the soul.

Proverbs 19:21 and 24:14
also indicate that knowledge and wisdom are related to the soul. In addition,

Psalm 139:14 says,
“My soul knows it well.” Since to know is a matter of the mind, this also proves that the mind must be a part of the soul.

Psalm 13:2
speaks of bearing concern in the soul.
This concern must be something considered in the mind.

Lamentations 3:20 says,
“My soul remembers them well,” indicating that the soul can remember things.
By these verses we can be clear that the mind as the organ to know, to consider, and to remember is a part of the soul.

The Will Being a Part of the Soul
The second part of the soul is the will. Job 7:15 says, “My soul would choose,” and 6:7 says, “My soul refuses.” To choose and to refuse are both decisions and functions of the will

The Emotion Being a Part of the Soul
The emotion comprises many things, including love, hatred, joy, and grief.

Song of Songs 1:7 and
Psalm 42:1 show us that to love is a function of the soul. This proves that within the soul there is the organ, the function, of the emotion.
Second Samuel 5:8, Psalm 107:18, and
Ezekiel 36:5 show us that hating, loathing, and despising are also in the soul.
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op): 12:21pm On Dec 19, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Twelve hours gone only to come back with the same thing but wanting to choose what pleases you shey?

Well they're all saying the same thing Rachel's life ended as she breath her last that's what it means!
Many versions use soul and your so stubborn you refuse to listen to them you chose one or two that refuses to use soul to drag important things

Nawa for you
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