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Kukutente23:
You'll struggle to read cause it doesn't sit with your bias
A German defending Germany to a Jew for killing about 6m of his ancestors to have a tough job not being labelled antisemitic. While it is true that you can't hold Germans of today responsible for the actions of Nazis, it is still unacceptable to defend such actions of mass murder of people whose only offence was refusing to join in a war.

I dont see how your analogy works with our root discussion. Also you have read assumptions into the dinner conversation I mentioned. My boss was referring to the fact that Italy did not appear to be consistent in ideology from the first to second world war. So your jumping to Nazi genocide and presuming anyone was defending Mussolini is what made it had for me to read.

Back to Kemi, she was not talking about Nigeria until Abike went and chook mouth in her matter and still brought it to public space. All she was doing was talking about immigration issues in the UK until Abike went and did notice me
She should have been left alone. I don't even understand what the function of that Abike's agency is.

It is not true that she didnt discuss Nigeria until then. As I have told you, she once campaigned with promises to end the negative labelling of Nigeria only to lead the charge in such negative labelling when it suited her. Another point is the immigration thing: a person who is a beneficiary of liberaL immigration policies seeks to constrict them. Of course you who see nothing wrong with St. Donald of Florida doing same will never see the hypocrisy in that.

DeepSight:
I dont see how your analogy works with our root discussion. Also you have read assumptions into the dinner conversation I mentioned. My boss was referring to the fact that Italy did not appear to be consistent in ideology from the first to second world war. So your jumping to Nazi genocide and presuming anyone was defending Mussolini is what made it had for me to read.

It is not true that she didnt discuss Nigeria until then. As I have told you, she once campaigned with promises to end the negative labelling of Nigeria only to lead the charge in such negative labelling when it suited her. Another point is the immigration thing: a person who is a beneficiary of liberaL immigration policies seeks to constrict them. Of course you who see nothing wrong with St. Donald of Florida doing same will never see the hypocrisy in that.

She did not discuss Nigeria. You can go and check it. She is a born citizen of the UK not a migrant. That's where people keep missing it. She was born in the UK which gave her automatic citizenship

Italy's Mussolini was known for expansionist agenda which made him invade so many weak countries in Europe and annex them to Italy. I don't understand how anyone will be defending such acts. That is why I said one can also expect a German to defend the Nazis to a Jew without ever being accused of antisemitism. Funny enough, in a bid to demonize Trump, he was called both fascist in reference to Mussolini and Nazi in reference to Hitler. I saw you welcome such characterization then. Today, you are glorifying Musolini's Italy. Are you sure you're not confused?

Kukutente23:
She did not discuss Nigeria. You can go and check it. She is a born citizen of the UK not a migrant. That's where people keep missing it. She was born in the UK which gave her automatic citizenship

You are funny oh. You think I dont know that? Now how was she born there? Abi her parents (or their own parents) were also born citizens?
It oft surprises me how you needle on pedantic irrelevancies and miss clear and obvious points.

Italy's Mussolini was known for expansionist agenda which made him invade so many weak countries in Europe and annex them to Italy. I don't understand how anyone will be defending such acts.

Where did I tell you anyone defended such acts. Please tell me where. I am really curious.

Today, you are glorifying Musolini's Italy. Are you sure you're not confused?

Where did I glorify Mussolini's Italy? Are you on cheap drugs?

DeepSight:
You are funny oh. You think I dont know that? Now how was she born there? Abi her parents (or their own parents) were also born citizens?
It oft surprises me how you needle on pedantic irrelevancies and miss clear and obvious points.



Where did I tell you anyone defended such acts. Please tell me where. I am really curious.



Where did I glorify Mussolini's Italy? Are you on cheap drugs?

Bottomline is she's not an immigrant

She was born by Nigerian parents as a Briton.

You claimed your Italian colleaggue defended Italy's invasion of Sweden. Go back and read. Seems you've missed your points

The fact still remains that you cannot expect people to internalize whatever bad experiences they have had. Some have the abillity to do that while others do not

Kemi wanted to represent Nigerians in the UK and they condemned her. She has gone the other ways and folks like you are daggers drawn. It seems whatever she chooses to do she will always attract condemnation

My point to you since yesterday though is that those who are vilifying her are not doing so because they really care for Nigeria's image. Reno rushed to congratulate her when she became Conservative Leader. The same Reno is crying now about her supposed denigrating of Nigeria. Only a simpleton does not know that Reno is simply peeved that she is giving ammunition to those he loves to hate. If she were castigating Nigerians in prisons all over the world for drug related offences. What do you guess will be Reno's reply to that? WIll it be same thing he's preaching now or something else?

Kukutente23:
You claimed your Italian colleaggue defended Italy's invasion of Sweden. Go back and read. Seems you've missed your points

You know, I despise this kind of nonsense. Produce the quote where I said this or apologize.

DeepSight:
You know, I despise this kind of nonsense. Produce the quote where I said this or apologize.

My mind just flashed back to a dinner I once had with my then Swedish boss and Italian colleague in Jo'butg many years ago. My Swedish boss made a few absolutely true comments about the frazzled role of Italy in the World Wars. Those comments were true. Some one like you will never, never, never, never in a billion years understand how passionately and robustly my Italian Colleague defended Italy and how emotive it was for him. You will never see the nuance or the sensitivity. You will end the discussion at whether the comments were true or not.

Maybe you should switch on your memory when you type

Kukutente23:
Maybe you should switch on your memory when you type

Kukutente23 are you well? I said she made comments about the frazzled role of Italy in the world wars. That is what you have highlighted. How does this equate saying that Italy invaded Sweden or that my Italian coleague defended Italy's invasion of Sweden?

As a matter of fact, not only has Italy never invaded Sweden, Sweden was not involved in either World War 1 or 2.

You must be high.
This just show you up terribly.

DeepSight:
are you well? I said she made comments about the frazzled role of Italy in the world wars. That is what you have highlighted. How does this equate saying that Italy invaded Sweden or that my Italian coleague defended Italy's invasion of Sweden?

As a matter of fact, not only has Italy never invaded Sweden, Sweden was not involved in either World War 1 or 2.

You must be high.
This just show you up terribly.

Ok then
Italy did not invade Sweden
But Italy was part of the axis of evil with Germany and others and it invaded so many countries and territories in both wars.
So what's your Swedish friend's problem with Italy then

Kukutente23:
Ok then
Italy did not invade Sweden

You owe me an apology.

But Italy was part of the axis of evil with Germany and others and it invaded so many countries and territories in both wars.
So what's your Swedish friend's problem with Italy then

They fought on the side of the Allies in WW1 and against them in WW2. Thus that they appeared inconsistent in ideology.

Kukutente23:
She did not discuss Nigeria. You can go and check it. She is a born citizen of the UK not a migrant. That's where people keep missing it. She was born in the UK which gave her automatic citizenship

First off, being born in the UK doesn't automatically make you a subject of His Majesty (UK don't have a concept of citizenship). It depends on the residency status of your parents.

Secondly, maybe you should Google Shamima Begum to know whether or not Kemi is a migrant (I am making a point with this).

Finally, Kẹmi has been talking in detail (in a derogatory manner) about Nigeria ever since she got to the front bench in Boris' administration. She simply can't help herself.

Hopefully now she is Tory leader, she will allowed us and forget that we exist in her quest to coon her way to whatever her target is.

aswani:
First off, being born in the UK doesn't automatically make you a subject of His Majesty (UK don't have a concept of citizenship). It depends on the residency status of your parents.

Secondly, maybe you should Google Shamima Begum to know whether or not Kemi is a migrant (I am making a point with this).

Finally, Kẹmi has been talking in detail (in a derogatory manner) about Nigeria ever since she got to the front bench in Boris' administration. She simply can't help herself.

Hopefully now she is Tory leader, she will allowed us and forget that we exist in her quest to coon her way to whatever her target is.

It does when she was born

You can't be a citizen and still be a migrant especially if your parents were not migrants

I don't know about that and I'll like to see when she did that

If we listen to her speech without sentiments, you'll know her target is tougher immigration laws just like Trump and all other conservative leaders. It resonates well with the populace.

DeepSight:
You owe me an apology.

I don't owe you anything. You misled me. I know Italy invaded some countries so when your story was that an Italian defended his country's role to a Swedish, I assumed Sweden must have been one of the countries invaded. I'm not an encyclopedia to have knowledge of everything. Italy invaded a good number of countries.

They fought on the side of the Allies in WW1 and against them in WW2. Thus that they appeared inconsistent in ideology.

Italy fought against for its own interests in both wars. It does not matter whose side they were on or not. It had a pact with Germany before the war but broke the pact in a bid to fight for annexation of territories they wanted. I don't now how that is inconsistent ideology except you don't know what ideology means

Kukutente23:
I don't owe you anything. You misled me. I know Italy invaded some countries so when your story was that an Italian defended his country's role to a Swedish, I assumed Sweden must have been one of the countries invaded. I'm not an encyclopedia to have knowledge of everything. Italy invaded a good number of countries.




Italy fought against for its own interests in both wars. It does not matter whose side they were on or not. It had a pact with Germany before the war but broke the pact in a bid to fight for annexation of territories they wanted. I don't now how that is inconsistent ideology except you don't know what ideology means

1. You have no honour
2. You lack integrity
3. You lack humility
4. You read into text things neither said nor inferred.

Saying that a Swedish Colleague commented on Italy's role in the World Wars could never suggest to anyone that Italy invaded Sweden.

What is most irksome also is that even after I warned you that I didn't say that, you went and produced a quote which didn't say or infer that and insisted still.

The only thing that made you back down was when you realized that no such thing had happened in history and also that Sweden didn't even participate in the world wars.

"World Wars".... This was the phrase used. And yet you presumed that one was referring to Mussolini. Notwithstanding that he was not there in the first world war. You even went so far as to say that I was defending Mussolini. At the peak of your comic idiocy you even spoke about how tragic Italy's invasion of Sweden must have been!

You ought to be ashamed not just of all of this, but worse, of the fact that you are so stiff necked that you can't say, "ooops my bad - sorry I got that wrong." Being able to do that confers dignity. Insisting the way you are insisting discloses not just shallowness but striking stupidity.

Kukutente23:
If we listen to her speech without sentiments, you'll know her target is tougher immigration laws just like Trump and all other conservative leaders. It resonates well with the populace.

And that is where you show your lack of understanding for why people are railing against Kẹmi and her likes.

They are now dog whistling about children of legal, documented migrants who were born and bred in the UK.

Kemi talks about things like no go areas full of Muslim people in certain places and how foreign Asian battles are now being fought on the streets of UK. Of course she doesn't have proof or even care, she is just after votes.

Effectively inferring that there are too many of them in our country and they don't look or behave like "us Brits", let's do something about it by voting for me.

Kemi's Conservative party have been ruling for donkey years with multiple leaders, they have never done anything about people illegally crossing the channel because it is a vote winner for them.

So it's not about tougher immigration laws they resonates with the local populace, it's about targeting ethnic minority and making it resonate with the local populace, especially those that hardly come into contact with immigrants or their children.

aswani:
And that is where you show your lack of understanding for why people are railing against Kẹmi and her likes.

They are now dog whistling about children of legal, documented migrants who were born and bred in the UK.

Kemi talks about things like no go areas full of Muslim people in certain places and how foreign Asian battles are now being fought on the streets of UK. Of course she doesn't have proof or even care, she is just after votes.

Effectively inferring that there are too many of them in our country and they don't look or behave like "us Brits", let's do something about it by voting for me.

Kemi's Conservative party have been ruling for donkey years with multiple leaders, they have never done anything about people illegally crossing the channel because it is a vote winner for them.

So it's not about tougher immigration laws they resonates with the local populace, it's about targeting ethnic minority and making it resonate with the local populace, especially those that hardly come into contact with immigrants or their children.

No matter how you turn it, the fact still remains that anti-immigration stance resonates well with the majority of the voting populace. It is not only in UK. Same applies to the US, France and even SA here in Africa.
Politics is about getting the numbers. That's why politics does not solve societal problems most times because it is devoid of logic and facts but runs mostly on sentiments and paranoia
APC came in Nigeria off the back of the populace deciding that PDP were not doing well. APC have not done better. But they have been able to tie a significant portion of the populace down based on religious and tribal sentiments. Ordinarily, no Nigerian should even go near APC. But.....

DeepSight:
1. You have no honour
2. You lack integrity
3. You lack humility
4. You read into text things neither said nor inferred.

Saying that a Swedish Colleague commented on Italy's role in the World Wars could never suggest to anyone that Italy invaded Sweden.

What is most irksome also is that even after I warned you that I didn't say that, you went and produced a quote which didn't say or infer that and insisted still.

The only thing that made you back down was when you realized that no such thing had happened in history and also that Sweden didn't even participate in the world wars.

"World Wars".... This was the phrase used. And yet you presumed that one was referring to Mussolini. Notwithstanding that he was not there in the first world war. You even went so far as to say that I was defending Mussolini. At the peak of your comic idiocy you even spoke about how tragic Italy's invasion of Sweden must have been!

You ought to be ashamed not just of all of this, but worse, of the fact that you are so stiff necked that you can't say, "ooops my bad - sorry I got that wrong." Being able to do that confers dignity. Insisting the way you are insisting discloses not just shallowness but striking stupidity.

Look, I've had it with your tantrums and petulance like a disturbed child. Anyone can make a mistake and if you had any serious point you should have made it known instead of all the baseless and inchoate ramblings you've been making since.
You just goofed now by claiming Mussolini was not there in the first world war. Are you now going to accept that you also lack honour, integrity and humility for not realizing that Mussolini was among the few politicians in Italy who advocated for the participation of Italy in the war and even joined the Italian military.
There's nothing to be sorry for. I admitted I made a mistake and as far as I know it has caused you no injury so you either move along or bring the stupidity you're beginning to exhibit in full glare and let me help you cure it. You're the clown who claimed "We" in the quran is for royal We. I corrected you without any sanctimonious posturing.
If you're so immature to think making a mistake in facts of history call for depredation, then you need to have your head checked.

Kukutente23:
Look, I've had it with your tantrums and petulance like a disturbed child. Anyone can make a mistake and if you had any serious point you should have made it known instead of all the baseless and inchoate ramblings you've been making since.
You just goofed now by claiming Mussolini was not there in the first world war. Are you now going to accept that you also lack honour, integrity and humility for not realizing that Mussolini was among the few politicians in Italy who advocated for the participation of Italy in the war and even joined the Italian military.
There's nothing to be sorry for. I admitted I made a mistake and as far as I know it has caused you no injury so you either move along or bring the stupidity you're beginning to exhibit in full glare and let me help you cure it. You're the clown who claimed "We" in the quran is for royal We. I corrected you without any sanctimonious posturing.
If you're so immature to think making a mistake in facts of history call for depredation, then you need to have your head checked.

Pathetic. Enjoy.

PS: Mussolini was not leader of Italy during WW1. If you mean he was alive or fought in the war that's obviously a different thing and has no bearing on your claims of his deeds.

PPS: The point was always simple: I was explaining to you how people stand up for their countries even in difficult situations. I was showing you that people with a sense of a certain nobility and solidarity do that. If that is beyond you, that is not my cup of tea.

As for the plurals of majesty, divinity and dignity, they have long existed way before you claimed, and I proved that to you already.

You are shameless.

DeepSight:
Pathetic. Enjoy.

PS: Mussolini was not leader of Italy during WW1. If you mean he was alive or fought in the war that's obviously a different thing and has no bearing on your claims of his deeds.

You are shameless.

Is your brain filled with quicksand or muddy water? Where did I say Mussolini was leader of Italy in the first war? You need to go format your brain and get the right things in it. You have no point. You're just rambling aimlessly like a rabid dog.

REST!!

Kukutente23:
No matter how you turn it, the fact still remains that anti-immigration stance resonates well with the majority of the voting populace. It is not only in UK. Same applies to the US, France and even SA here in Africa.
Politics is about getting the numbers. That's why politics does not solve societal problems most times because it is devoid of logic and facts but runs mostly on sentiments and paranoia
APC came in Nigeria off the back of the populace deciding that PDP were not doing well. APC have not done better. But they have been able to tie a significant portion of the populace down based on religious and tribal sentiments. Ordinarily, no Nigerian should even go near APC. But.....

I think you are conflating issues.

There are far right Anti immigratoon parties in these countries, why haven't they done well if it resonates that much with the locals?

There is legal and illegal immigration. Kẹmi and her ilk try to blur the difference, they also surreptiously try to ensure the latter continues to happen and they highlight it as it helps their cause.

Per APC and religious and tribal affiliation, did LP not play it in South East under Peter Obi, you can't live in a glass house and throw stones.

You are right though about one thing, we have been failed by all our politicians and the sooner anyone that has held elective public office since this latest civilian dispensation is banned, the better.

Kukutente23:
Is your brain filled with quicksand or muddy water? Where did I say Mussolini was leader of Italy in the first war? You need to go format your brain and get the right things in it. You have no point. You're just rambling aimlessly like a rabid dog.

REST!!

You're pretty cocky for one who was lamenting the tragedy and wickedness of Italy's invasion of Sweden less than 24 hours ago.
Olodo.

Now listen up -

PPS: The point was always simple: I was explaining to you how people stand up for their countries even in difficult situations. I was showing you that people with a sense of a certain nobility and solidarity do that. If that is beyond you, that is not my cup of tea.

As for the plurals of majesty, divinity and dignity, they have long existed way before you claimed, and I proved that to you already.

aswani:
I think you are conflating issues.

There are far right Anti immigratoon parties in these countries, why haven't they done well if it resonates that much with the locals?

There is legal and illegal immigration. Kẹmi and her ilk try to blur the difference, they also surreptiously try to ensure the latter continues to happen and they highlight it as it helps their cause.

Per APC and religious and tribal affiliation, did LP not play it in South East under Peter Obi, you can't live in a glass house and throw stones.

You are right though about one thing, we have been failed by all our politicians and the sooner anyone that has held elective public office since this latest civilian dispensation is banned, the better.

I am not conflating issues. Brexit started off as an anti-immigration movement and it resonated well with the populace despite the overtly best efforts of activists and liberals in the UK.
It does not matter whether there's sincerity in the message. The bottom-line is that the message resonates well with the populace
UK has problems with both legal and illegal immigration. They have been having issues with public and social infrastructure recently due to unintended consequences of legal migration which they never considered. Kemi is looking to profit from the debacle on immigration for the benefit of her party. It does not matter to politicians whether they get the issues rightly framed or not as long as it is well received by the populace. It is for no reason the Democrats in the US tried to paint Trump as Nazi or fascist. It was all about messaging to energize their base.
Our politicians here have never really cared for the country. Their focus has always been power for the sake of it. And the populace have not cared to interrogate what drives them. They are too engaged in irrelevant tribal or regiional supremacy. LP did not play tribal politics. The East bought into Peter Obi because they rightly longed for a taste of political power. If there's any justice in the political firmament, the East should have produced the President in 2023. So beating the East for voting for Obi is totally wide off the mark. It was justified and not just based on tribal grounds in my view.

DeepSight:
You're pretty cocky for one who was lamenting the tragedy and wickedness of Italy's invasion of Sweden less than 24 hours ago.
Olodo.

Now listen up -

Lamenting indeed. You come across as tone deaf. The fact remains that Italy were on the wrong side in both wars. End of story. If anyone chooses to defend Italy and you think it si noble, then you should also consider it noble if anyone defends Osama Bin Laden or Alqaeda or Taliban afterall they are also representative of some sociopolitical ideologies

That said, you never proved anything on royal We's existence in Arabia before Muhammad. You were just rambling aimlessly as usual.

You need to rest

You're not making any sense

Kukutente23:
Lamenting indeed. You come across as tone deaf. The fact remains that Italy were on the wrong side in both wars. End of story. If anyone chooses to defend Italy and you think it si noble, then you should also consider it noble if anyone defends Osama Bin Laden or Alqaeda or Taliban afterall they are also representative of some sociopolitical ideologies

That said, you never proved anything on royal We's existence in Arabia before Muhammad. You were just rambling aimlessly as usual.

You need to rest

You're not making any sense

Pathetic.
How was Italy on the wrong side in WW1?

Kukutente23:
I am not conflating issues. Brexit started off as an anti-immigration movement and it resonated well with the populace despite the overtly best efforts of activists and liberals in the UK.
It does not matter whether there's sincerity in the message. The bottom-line is that the message resonates well with the populace
UK has problems with both legal and illegal immigration. They have been having issues with public and social infrastructure recently due to unintended consequences of legal migration which they never considered. Kemi is looking to profit from the debacle on immigration for the benefit of her party. It does not matter to politicians whether they get the issues rightly framed or not as long as it is well received by the populace. It is for no reason the Democrats in the US tried to paint Trump as Nazi or fascist. It was all about messaging to energize their base.
Our politicians here have never really cared for the country. Their focus has always been power for the sake of it. And the populace have not cared to interrogate what drives them. They are too engaged in irrelevant tribal or regiional supremacy. LP did not play tribal politics. The East bought into Peter Obi because they rightly longed for a taste of political power. If there's any justice in the political firmament, the East should have produced the President in 2023. So beating the East for voting for Obi is totally wide off the mark. It was justified and not just based on tribal grounds in my view.

I really wish you will use paragraphs a bit more but I'll try and counter anyway as you have been surprisingly polite.

Brexit, despite the lies by the right, was a close call 54 to 46 percent I believe (if not closer) . Imagine if they hadn't made it out to be about immigration in a dog whistle manner. So the resonation part in my opinion is false.

Labour, of the three major parties (let's call Reform major), is the most liberal, yet they won the last elections, so much for the resonance part. Yes Reform did OK but if the "natives" truly bought into their message, they would have won hands down.

Back to LP but first, an Ndigbo Presidency. I myself want it, as do a lot of Non Ndigbo I know, but you must reach out to others in a non abusive manner to get it. Obidients did not and that cost not just Peter Obi but Chinedu Gbadebo too.

Look at the votes LP got in Ala Igbo. Compare that to what Atiku got in the North and President Tinubu got in the east, there was tribalism involved regardless of how you want to sugar coat it.

Quite frankly, Ndigbo need to learn from Ndi Yoruba on how to play politics. Àwo held Ndi Yoruba back from sitting at the head of the table. Those that came after him learnt from that and look, they have ruled much more than even Northerners (I think). They didn't get there by insults and abuse or overwhelming votes to their candidate (which would only cause tit for tat in truth).

aswani:
I really wish you will use paragraphs a bit more but I'll try and counter anyway as you have been surprisingly polite.

Brexit, despite the lies by the right, was a close call 54 to 46 percent I believe (if not closer) . Imagine if they hadn't made it out to be about immigration in a dog whistle manner. So the resonation part in my opinion is false.

Labour, of the three major parties (let's call Reform major), is the most liberal, yet they won the last elections, so much for the resonance part. Yes Reform did OK but if the "natives" truly bought into their message, they would have won hands down.

Back to LP but first, an Ndigbo Presidency. I myself want it, as do a lot of Non Ndigbo I know, but you must reach out to others in a non abusive manner to get it. Obidients did not and that cost not just Peter Obi but Chinedu Gbadebo too.

Look at the votes LP got in Ala Igbo. Compare that to what Atiku got in the North and President Tinubu got in the east, there was tribalism involved regardless of how you want to sugar coat it.

Quite frankly, Ndigbo need to learn from Ndi Yoruba on how to play politics. Àwo held Ndi Yoruba back from sitting at the head of the table. Those that came after him learnt from that and look, they have ruled much more than even Northerners (I think). They didn't get there by insults and abuse or overwhelming votes to their candidate (which would only cause tit for tat in truth).

54-46 is not a close call. It is a large majority with a difference of 8% that shows that at least 8% of the 50m UK populace support it. That's over 4m more people that support brexit than those who do not statistically. I don't think that's a small number. Note that the sitting govt then was anti-brexit and so where many loud voices and groups who campaigned and rallied almost daily in support of staying. Still they lost by that wide margin.

Labour won because the Conservatives failed to keep their promises, not because Labour had a better agenda. Even then Labour also had to shift some of their positions to accommodate stricter immigration policies like limiting the number of dependents those on study leave can be allowed to have. Of course Reform are not yet a mainstream party. They don't have the structure and appeal the two main parties already have yet they have been doing well as you also accepted. Immigration is a serious issue all over the world now. Even Germany's govt is in turmoil now due to immigration issues.

I don't think it is fear to accuse Igbos of tribalism for voting Obi. They have not been at the head of the table since the 60s. That's a long time. Most of the youths and adult in Nigeria have never experienced an Igbo presidency. So it is natural to expect them to gravitate towards their own even if he has an outside chance. Tribalism is about supremacy. I think the Igbo votes in 2023 was more a search for equality and integration than supremacy.

It was actually Yoruba APC that turned the election into a supremacy battle. That is why they had no qualms kowtowing to the North for 8 years and even going extreme right in terms of religion in order to appease the North. The effect is being seen now as every attempt by Tinubu to go the progressive left route is strongly resisted by his northern partners, and he has to backtrack.

I don't think Awo was wrong to have refused to align with the North. It is basically because he saw how feudalistic and Conservative the North were. That is why he largely stayed away from them. Most Igbos might not agree out of sentiments but Awo was more inclined towards working Igbos and Northern minorities than the core North.

MKO who first reached out to them paid with his life. Tinubu got the prize but he can hardly do the things he would have preferred. I'm not a politician who is only after power for the sake of it. If we want power for the good and progress of the country, we should look to give power based on national ideals and agenda than just ethnic supremacy.

That said, I don't think the insults are the reasons Igbo are not getting votes from the North. The North have not been comfortable with Igbo since the civil war. They have almost nothing in common with them apart from being Nigerians. Tinubu a Yoruba Muslim chose a northern Muslim to birth a Muslim Muslim presidency. I do not think Igbo can ever produce a Muslim Muslim ticket. But note that majority of the Christians in the North identified with Obi in the last election. So why do we always think Igbos are repulsive to the rest of the country on account of brickbats?

DeepSight:
Pathetic.
How was Italy on the wrong side in WW1?

Italy invaded countries as well in an attempt at unification in WW1

I thought you knew everything

Kukutente23:
I don't think Awo was wrong to have refused to align with the North. It is basically because he saw how feudalistic and Conservative the North were. That is why he largely stayed away from them. Most Igbos might not agree out of sentiments but Awo was more inclined towards working Igbos and Northern minorities than the core North.

OK, I must say, despite our differences, it was great debating with you in a non insultive and abusive manner.

I don't agree with practically all you've said but nice to read your opinion.

May the Good Lord bless your works and enjoy the rest of your day.

Kukutente23:
Italy invaded countries as well in an attempt at unification in WW1

I thought you knew everything

Mere invasion is not wrong, it is the principle behind the invasion.
Bow down, kneel down, raise up your hands.

Pay obeisance to your liege lord and master.

DeepSight:
Mere invasion is not wrong, it is the principle behind the invasion.
Bow down, kneel down, raise up your hands.

Pay obeisance to your liege lord and master.

Lol. So is Russia's invasion of Ukraine right or wrong according to your barometer
What about Israel and Hamas?
And Nigeria vs Biafra
Your iq seems to be diminishing with each post

Kukutente23:
Lol. So is Russia's invasion of Ukraine right or wrong according to your barometer
What about Israel and Hamas?
And Nigeria vs Biafra
Your iq seems to be diminishing with each post

Shatap and kneel down at once!
Bow before and worship me, exalt me for I am as a god unto you!

DeepSight:
Shatap and kneel down at once!
Bow before and worship me, exalt me for I am as a god unto you!

Go and sleep out your drunkeness

You sound deranged

Kukutente23:
Go and sleep out your drunkeness

You sound deranged

Kukutente23:
Go and sleep out your drunkeness

You sound deranged

Kukutente23, I lost the little regard I had left for you in the last day. Honestly beyond mistakes your turn out was embarrassing.

And as regards wars, yes, not all wars or invasions are evil. Some serve a higher purpose. Such as reactive, pre emptive or defensive action.

Someone like you will say the D Day Landings were evil.