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Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Janosky: 8:04pm On Dec 19, 2024
Kingsnairaland:
All of them can die but they die in a unique way

If you harm the body the then only the body will die and the soul and spirit will be waiting for the resurrection day for judgement

If you harm the soul the soul dies by the person having mental health issues and any one who has mental problems always dies physically after some times

If you harm the spirit then the body too will be killed because the spirit is what gives life to the body and the soul

Ezekiel 18:20?
Talk about soul death


it doesn't mean that other places in the bible did not talk about body death or spiritual death

God don't put secrets in one places he spreads his secrets all over the bible and hides it so that the one who thinks he is wise won't see it

Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Michael547(m): 8:08pm On Dec 19, 2024
Kingsnairaland:
The soul and spirit can't do any physical things without the physical body

But the soul can speak in the spiritual realm without the physical body because it main functions is to speak

The Spirit can give life to soul to speak in the spiritual realm because it main function is to give life

Apart from that they can not do anything under the sun

The things in the soul can be seen when the person acts it out

Or you can detect it before the person acts by looking into their eyes to see what they are planning to do
You claimed that the soul neither has a physical nor spiritual body. So what does the soul use in speaking?

How can the soul exist in the spiritual realm without a spiritual body?

How can the spirit enter a soul without a body?

What body does the soul have?

How many seperate parts does Jesus say that man have in mark 12:30?
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op):
Michael547:
You claimed that the soul neither has a physical nor spiritual body. So what does the soul use in speaking?

How can the soul exist in the spiritual realm without a spiritual body?

How can the spirit enter a soul without a body?

What body does the soul have?

How many seperate parts does Jesus say that man have in mark 12:30?
I told you many times the soul has a soul body
The Spirit have it's own body too both
Looks like a bright light that is un seen with physical eyes

That bright light of the soul and spirit looks just like you it has all your shape it does not have sex organ but it has everything your physical body has apart from internal organs and sex organ and Anus etc

The Spirit does not enter the soul rather both sometimes attach to each other and they stay in a state of rest if the body dies

I have shown you how the soul speaks in the bible
And I have shown you how the spirit speaks in the bible
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op): 9:28pm On Dec 19, 2024
Janosky:
lol
You laugh because you don't know this deep things in Bible about this topic
This topic is not for children

You said there was no soul until I brought many places from the bible then your mouth was sealed lol

Lol
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Michael547(m): 9:51pm On Dec 19, 2024
Kingsnairaland:
I told you many times the soul has a soul body
The Spirit have it's own body too both
Looks like a bright light that is un seen with physical eyes

That bright light of the soul and spirit looks just like you it has all your shape it does not have sex organ but it has everything your physical body has apart from internal organs and sex organ and Anus etc
Kindly quote where the bible teaches that the soul has a 'soul body' without a physical body and a spiritual body.

Where does the Bible teach that the soul has a shape of a human without a physical body and a spiritual body?



The Spirit does not enter the soul rather both sometimes attach to each other and they stay in a state of rest if the body dies

I have shown you how the soul speaks in the bible
And I have shown you how the spirit speaks in the bible
Since the soul does not have a physical body and a spiritual body, what realm does the soul rest?

Explain how the soul speaks without a physical body and a spiritual body?
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op): 10:24pm On Dec 19, 2024
Michael547:
Kindly quote where the bible teaches that the soul has a 'soul body' without a physical body and a spiritual body.

Where does the Bible teach that the soul has a shape of a human without a physical body and a spiritual body?




Since the soul does not have a physical body and a spiritual body, what realm does the soul rest?

Explain how the soul speaks without a physical body and a spiritual body?
Revelation 6:9-11 -


John tells us as much: “I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain.
” Not only are these the souls of those who have died, these are the souls of those who have been killed; these are the souls of those who have died a violent death; these are the souls of those who have been stoned,

This shows each person's have a soul that is identifiable

I did not say soul body or spirit body is physical

I told you it looks like bright light
That looks like you.


Bible say the spirit is the candle of the lord which he uses to search all the part of man
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op): 10:25pm On Dec 19, 2024
Michael547:
Kindly quote where the bible teaches that the soul has a 'soul body' without a physical body and a spiritual body.

Where does the Bible teach that the soul has a shape of a human without a physical body and a spiritual body?




Since the soul does not have a physical body and a spiritual body, what realm does the soul rest?

Explain how the soul speaks without a physical body and a spiritual body?
The soul rest in the spiritual realm just like those that were in the altar of heaven in the bible
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Michael547(m): 10:57pm On Dec 19, 2024
Kingsnairaland:
The soul rest in the spiritual realm just like those that were in the altar of heaven in the bible
How can the soul rest in the spiritual realm without a spiritual body? Kindly quote a verse.

Kindly quote where the bible teaches that the soul has a 'soul body' without a physical body and a spiritual body.

Where does the Bible teach that the soul has a shape of a human without a physical body and a spiritual body?

Explain how the soul speaks without a physical body and a spiritual body?
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Michael547(m): 10:59pm On Dec 19, 2024
Kingsnairaland:
Revelation 6:9-11 -


John tells us as much: “I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain.
” Not only are these the souls of those who have died, these are the souls of those who have been killed; these are the souls of those who have died a violent death; these are the souls of those who have been stoned,

This shows each person's have a soul that is identifiable

I did not say soul body or spirit body is physical

I told you it looks like bright light
That looks like you.


Bible say the spirit is the candle of the lord which he uses to search all the part of man
You claimed that the soul neither has a physical body nor spiritual body, how were the souls In Revelation crying without a body?


Where does the Bible teach that the soul without a physical body or spiritual body looks like bright light?
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op):
Michael547:
How can the soul rest in the spiritual realm without a spiritual body? Kindly quote a verse.

Kindly quote where the bible teaches that the soul has a 'soul body' without a physical body and a spiritual body.

Where does the Bible teach that the soul has a shape of a human without a physical body and a spiritual body?

Explain how the soul speaks without a physical body and a spiritual body?
Revelation 6:9-11:

“And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

And they cried with a loud voice saying,
How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season,

until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.”


. Note
Look at the verse
number one
the souls physical body has been slain yet they are still talking as only a soul that means they are in their soul body

Number two
The souls body that were taking was given cloth like a robe

So can some thing that don't have shape be given a cloth to wear?
Answer is NO

Therefore

You can see the souls have the shape of a human that why they were given new clothes to wear


Number three
they were told to rest like I told you they rest after the earth physical body dies

The souls are under the altar which is in spiritual realm in heaven because John went to heaven when Jesus was showing this thing to him

Glory
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Michael547(m): 11:44pm On Dec 19, 2024
Kingsnairaland:
Revelation 6:9-11:

“And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

And they cried with a loud voice saying,
How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season,

until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.”


. Note
Look at the verse
number one
the souls physical body has been slain yet they are still talking as only a soul that means they are in their soul body

Number two
The souls body that were taking was given cloth like a robe

So can some thing that don't have shape be given a cloth to wear?
Answer is NO

Therefore

You can see the souls have the shape of a human that why they were given new clothes to wear


Number three
they were told to rest like I told you they rest after the earth physical body dies

The souls are under the altar which is in spiritual realm in heaven because John went to heaven when Jesus was showing this thing to him

Glory
Does the soul have a physical body as highlighted in bold?

You claimed that the soul neither has a physical nor a spiritual body, so how come they are in the spiritual realm?

Where does the Bible makes mention of a 'soul body' without a spiritual or physical body?


Don't you see that you are a confused teacher?

A soul without spiritual body is crying and given a robe in heaven, does that make any sense to you?
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op): 7:27am On Dec 20, 2024
Michael547:
Does the soul have a physical body as highlighted in bold?

You claimed that the soul neither has a physical nor a spiritual body, so how come they are in the spiritual realm?

Where does the Bible makes mention of a 'soul body' without a spiritual or physical body?


Don't you see that you are a confused teacher?

A soul without spiritual body is crying and given a robe in heaven, does that make any sense to you?
My goodness the soul physical body is the same thing as your body here on earth just like Genesis said Adam became a living soul

Soul physical body is the same thing as spirit physical body and the same thing as your physical body

English is interchangeable

I said soul body is different from soul physical body

So soul body can stay in the spiritual realm because it is made up of bright light

Question
Where does the Bible makes mention of a 'soul body' without a spiritual or physical body?

Answer
Revelation 6:9-11:

Please read that place very well
did you even read it

Read it until you see what God is saying

God says many soul are under the altar and are speaking and crying and God gave them cloth to wear which means they are in their soul body.. God also said their this souls were killed when they were on earth in their physical human body...

So
If soul human body was killed then the soul still speak and cry and need cloth tell me what type of soul is that if not soul body

Answer two

Genesis 2:7
God formed man from the clay of the earth, and he breathed into his face the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

Adam became a soul which shows Adam here now has soul physical body

So soul physical body and spirit physical body and human body
Are all the same thing remember that


Now
Soul physical body is different from soul body

Spirit physical body is different from spirit body

Hope you now see the difference
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Michael547(m):
Kingsnairaland:
My goodness the soul physical body is the same thing as your body here on earth just like Genesis said Adam became a living soul

Soul physical body is the same thing as spirit physical body and the same thing as your physical body

English is interchangeable

I said soul body is different from soul physical body

So soul body can stay in the spiritual realm because it is made up of bright light

Question
Where does the Bible makes mention of a 'soul body' without a spiritual or physical body?

Answer
Revelation 6:9-11:

Please read that place very well
did you even read it

Read it until you see what God is saying

God says many soul are under the altar and are speaking and crying and God gave them cloth to wear which means they are in their soul body.. God also said their this souls were killed when they were on earth in their physical human body...

So
If soul human body was killed then the soul still speak and cry and need cloth tell me what type of soul is that if not soul body

Answer two

Genesis 2:7
God formed man from the clay of the earth, and he breathed into his face the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

Adam became a soul which shows Adam here now has soul physical body

So soul physical body and spirit physical body and human body
Are all the same thing remember that


Now
Soul physical body is different from soul body

Spirit physical body is different from spirit body

Hope you now see the difference
Where does the Bible teach that the soul is made up of bright light without a physical or spiritual body?....it seems you don't know what you are saying.

Oga I have never seen the word 'soul body' in the bible before that is neither spiritual nor physical. Can you kindly quote a verse.

What is the Hebrew or Greek word for 'soul body' and what is the Hebrew or greek word for 'soul physical body'?

You are just conjuring junks and giving to me.


Kindly show me where Genesis 2:7 makes a distinction between soul body, spirit body and human body. Please point it out. Below in the screenshot is Genesis 2:7

Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op): 8:44am On Dec 20, 2024
Michael547:
Where does the Bible teach that the soul is made up of bright light without a physical or spiritual body?....it seems you don't know what you are saying.

Oga I have never seen the word 'soul body' in the bible before that is neither spiritual nor physical. Can you kindly quote a verse.

What is the Hebrew or Greek word for 'soul body' and what is the Hebrew or greek word for 'soul physical body'?

You are just conjuring junks and giving to me.


Kindly show me where Genesis 2:7 makes a distinction between soul body, spirit body and human body. Please point it out. Below in the screenshot is Genesis 2:7
Soul body is not in bible because God equalled it with soul.. We call it soul body to be able to explain it easy

Example the soul under the altar is soul in it body form which we call soul body

Or do you have a better name to call those souls under the altar

Now also remember when Jacob wife was dying Bible said her soul was leaving her

Which also shows that soul can walk because only what can walk can leaving a place

If you have a better word to use to call Souls that their physical body is dead but yet Bible said that soul still talks and cry and walk and needs cloth

Then you can tell me the better name we can use to call it

The soul lives in the head and controls the eye like we talk before so it the soul light that emits through the eyes

◄ Luke 11:34 ►

Your eye is the lamp of your body. When your eyes are healthy, your whole body also is full of light. But when they are unhealthy, your body also is full of darkness

Bible also said the spirit is like a lamp and lamp shines bright light

So this shows the soul and spirit looks like a bright light

Notice moses and Jesus after they meet God both their head shines so bright

Because their soul was showing it full strength through their head

Glory
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Michael547(m):
Kingsnairaland:
Soul body is not in bible because God equalled it with soul.. We call it soul body to be able to explain it easy

Example the soul under the altar is soul in it body form which we call soul body

Or do you have a better name to call those souls under the altar

Now also remember when Jacob wife was dying Bible said her soul was leaving her

Which also shows that soul can walk because only what can walk can leaving a place

If you have a better word to use to call Souls that their physical body is dead but yet Bible said that soul still talks and cry and walk and needs cloth

Then you can tell me the better name we can use to call it

The soul lives in the head and controls the eye like we talk before so it the soul light that emits through the eyes

◄ Luke 11:34 ►

Your eye is the lamp of your body. When your eyes are healthy, your whole body also is full of light. But when they are unhealthy, your body also is full of darkness

Bible also said the spirit is like a lamp and lamp shines bright light

So this shows the soul and spirit looks like a bright light

Notice moses and Jesus after they meet God both their head shines so bright

Because their soul was showing it full strength through their head

Glory
😂😂😂😂false teacher. So soul body is not in the bible.....na wa oo......what Is the Hebrew or Greek word for 'soul' and what is the Hebrew or Greek word for 'soul body' and what is the Hebrew or Greek word for 'soul physical body'. You claim that there is a difference. So please explain.

Kindly quote a verse where the bible says that the soul body shines without a physical or spiritual body.
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op): 9:27am On Dec 20, 2024
Michael547:
😂😂😂😂false teacher. So soul body is not in the bible.....na wa oo......what Is the Hebrew or Greek word for 'soul' and what is the Hebrew or Greek word for 'soul body' and what is the Hebrew or Greek word for 'soul physical body'. You claim that there is a difference. So please explain.

Kindly quote a verse where the bible says that the soul body shines without a physical or spiritual body.
Am not a false teacher stop saying that


I told you why I call it soul body so as to explain it better if you don't call it soul body some will say it don't exist or that it is a force that drifts way after death


The other question you asked I said them up read it
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Michael547(m): 9:36am On Dec 20, 2024
Kingsnairaland:
Am not a false teacher stop saying that


I told you why I call it soul body so as to explain it better if you don't call it soul body some will say it don't exist or that it is a force that drifts way after death


The other question you asked I said them up read it
😂😂😂😂false teacher. So soul body is not in the bible.....na wa oo......what Is the Hebrew or Greek word for 'soul' and what is the Hebrew or Greek word for 'soul body' and what is the Hebrew or Greek word for 'soul physical body'. You claim that there is a difference. So please explain.
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op): 10:04am On Dec 20, 2024
Michael547:
😂😂😂😂false teacher. So soul body is not in the bible.....na wa oo......what Is the Hebrew or Greek word for 'soul' and what is the Hebrew or Greek word for 'soul body' and what is the Hebrew or Greek word for 'soul physical body'. You claim that there is a difference. So please explain.
Am not a false teacher stop saying that


I told you why I call it soul body so as to explain it better if you don't call it soul body some will say it don't exist or that it is a force that drifts way after death


The other question you asked I said them up read it
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Michael547(m): 10:18am On Dec 20, 2024
Kingsnairaland:
Am not a false teacher stop saying that


I told you why I call it soul body so as to explain it better if you don't call it soul body some will say it don't exist or that it is a force that drifts way after death


The other question you asked I said them up read it
So there is nothing like soul body in the bible 😂😂😂....false teacher bye bye
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op): 11:11am On Dec 20, 2024
Michael547:
So there is nothing like soul body in the bible 😂😂😂....false teacher bye bye
Am not a false teacher if you want to chat then you respect people

There is I told you they are under the altar in Revelations
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:07pm On Dec 20, 2024
Kingsnairaland:
Am not a false teacher if you want to chat then you respect people. There is I told you they are under the altar in Revelations
He is one of Jehovah's Witnesses so your ways can't fit in to his mind because we were taught to use the scriptures skillfully.

Meanwhile continue with your folks after all it's of no use discussing faith when each of you has his or her own PERSONAL interpretation.

Thanks for your time! smiley
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op): 12:12pm On Dec 20, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
He is one of Jehovah's Witnesses so your ways can't fit in to his mind because we were taught to use the scriptures skillfully.

Meanwhile continue with your folks after all it's of no use discussing faith when each of you has his or her own PERSONAL interpretation.

Thanks for your time! smiley
Personal interpretation is not allowed in the body of Christ

You must use scripture to interpret scripture
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Michael547(m): 12:45pm On Dec 20, 2024
Kingsnairaland:
Am not a false teacher if you want to chat then you respect people

There is I told you they are under the altar in Revelations
😂😂😂...you used your mouth to say there is no mention of soul body in the bible. You are a false teacher. Why are you lying that revelation mentioned soul body. What is the Hebrew or Greek word for 'soul' and 'soul body'?
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:54pm On Dec 20, 2024
Kingsnairaland:
Personal interpretation is not allowed in the body of Christ. You must use scripture to interpret scripture
So who are those using scriptures to interpret scriptures?

Please mention an ORGANIZED people who are doing this because from what we have so far each person including you is giving his or her private interpretation that's why all your churches are contradicting themselves yet claiming it's the Holy Spirit that's teaching them! smiley
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op): 3:02pm On Dec 20, 2024
Michael547:
😂😂😂...you used your mouth to say there is no mention of soul body in the bible. You are a false teacher. Why are you lying that revelation mentioned soul body. What is the Hebrew or Greek word for 'soul' and 'soul body'?
I said the soul described in Revelations is the same thing as a being that you can call soul body

Soul =soul body

In Revelations

You read it and you know it the truth

Am from heaven so I know what I say am not a false teacher I know Bible very well and I have the spirit of the living God
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op): 3:07pm On Dec 20, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
So who are those using scriptures to interpret scriptures?

Please mention an ORGANIZED people who are doing this because from what we have so far each person including you is giving his or her private interpretation that's why all your churches are contradicting themselves yet claiming it's the Holy Spirit that's teaching them! smiley
You don't even write down scriptures here so you don't even use one scripture to explain any things here

So what are you even talking about
You have never read any part of the Bible properly

Let test if am saying the truth

Now list ten characteristics of the soul mentioned in Revelation 6:9-13


Revelation 6:9-13

Let see if you really know what you say
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Michael547(m): 4:12pm On Dec 20, 2024
Kingsnairaland:
I said the soul described in Revelations is the same thing as a being that you can call soul body

Soul =soul body

In Revelations

You read it and you know it the truth

Am from heaven so I know what I say am not a false teacher I know Bible very well and I have the spirit of the living God
Oga what is the Greek and Hebrew word for 'soul body'?.....if you can't provide the answer, then you are a false teacher.
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:46pm On Dec 20, 2024
Kingsnairaland:
You don't even write down scriptures here so you don't even use one scripture to explain any things here
So what are you even talking about
You have never read any part of the Bible properly
Let test if am saying the truth
Now list ten characteristics of the soul mentioned in Revelation 6:9-13
Revelation 6:9-13
Let see if you really know what you say.
Don't change the subject nah! huh

You said true believers don't use PERSONAL interpretation so if you're not using the same thing present a group that's using it so we can learn from them because each person is using his or her own PERSONAL interpretation and that includes you! undecided
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op): 5:06pm On Dec 20, 2024
Michael547:
Oga what is the Greek and Hebrew word for 'soul body'?.....if you can't provide the answer, then you are a false teacher.
You are a false student
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Kingsnairaland(op): 5:07pm On Dec 20, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Don't change the subject nah! huh

You said true believers don't use PERSONAL interpretation so if you're not using the same thing present a group that's using it so we can learn from them because each person is using his or her own PERSONAL interpretation and that includes you! undecided
I use scripture to interpret scripture

Many times I have wrote down scripture to back my interpretation
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "My Father Is Greater Than I"? by Michael547(m): 5:07pm On Dec 20, 2024
Kingsnairaland:
You are a false student
😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 So you don't know the Greek and Hebrew word for 'Soul body'. Na wa oo....false teacher bye bye.
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