₦airaland Forum

madridguy:
I have said it many of you are not muslim but our enemies using our religion to perpetrate evil. Tell me who make music haram? Allah SWT or your Wahabi ideology. Bring the Surah Allah SWT called music haram.

TheNiceGuy:
I said I won't respond to you but I have to. I will clear your doubt because you may think I lied about that claim.

First what we call music in today's world is Haram (as long as it involves musical instruments i.e guitar, piano, bell, drums, saxophone and sort).


Surah Luqman (31:6)
"And of mankind is he who purchases idle talk to mislead (others) from the Path of Allah without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allah) by way of mockery. For such there will be a humiliating torment."

Many scholars, including Ibn Kathir, have interpreted "idle talk" (lahw al-hadith) as referring to music, singing, and instruments. Check Tafsir Ibn Kathir.
Also Ibn Mas’ud (a prominent companion of the Prophet) explicitly stated, "By Allah, it refers to singing."

Surah An-Najm (53:59-61)
"Do you then wonder at this recital (the Qur'an)? And you laugh at it and do not weep, while you are wasting your time in vanities?"
Scholars have associated "vanities" (samidun) with singing and music in the Arabic dialect of Himyar.


Sahih al-Bukhari
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "There will be among my followers people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks, and the use of musical instruments, as lawful…"
(Narrated by Al-Bukhari, Hadith 5590)

This Hadith explicitly mentions musical instruments (ma’azif) as part of things that will be wrongly deemed lawful by some Muslims just like you today


Sunan Ibn Majah
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "A people of my Ummah will drink wine, calling it by another name, and musical instruments will be played for them and singing girls (will sing for them). Allah will cause the earth to swallow them up, and He will turn them into monkeys and pigs."
(Sunan Ibn Majah, Hadith 4020)


Musnad Imam Ahmad
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "Allah has forbidden wine, gambling, drum (kubah), and every intoxicant is haram."
(Musnad Ahmad, Hadith 19400)

Scholars interpret "kubah" as a type of drum or musical instrument.

Sahih Muslim
Abu Hurairah reported the Prophet (peace be upon him) as saying: "The bell is the musical instrument of Satan."
(Sahih Muslim, Hadith 2114)


And more more Hadith you as well can ask of if you want to learn



Ibn Taymiyyah (may Allah have mercy on him) stated:
"The view of the four Imams is that all musical instruments are haram. It is proven in Sahih al-Bukhari and elsewhere that the Prophet forbade musical instruments and said they lead to immorality and sin."

Imam Al-Qurtubi, in his Tafsir, commented on Surah Luqman (31:6):
"This verse is evidence for the prohibition of music and singing."



Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyyah stated:
"Music is the Quran of Shaytan. It occupies the heart, preventing it from pondering the Quran and obeying Allah. This is one of the tricks of the devil."
(Madarij as-Salikeen, Vol. 1)



Al-Shafi'i scholar Al-Ghazali mentioned:
"Instruments like the drum, flute, and others that arouse passions are haram, as they distract one from remembering Allah."

These evidences reflect the traditional stance on music in Islam
While the majority opinion among classical scholars is that music is haram, some argue that non-lnstrumental music(without drums, saxophone,flute, guitar, in and what have you....), without sinful content i.e waka, may be permissible. This minority opinion is based on weaker Hadith and less strict interpretations.

madridguy:
Sorry brother, I'm beyond someone you can twist the word of Allah for. Where exact is Music/song mentioned in the Quranic verse? Or you just translate it to suit yourself?

TheNiceGuy:
Okay. Can you please translate it yourself? Please I challenge you to. I challenge you, don't run. Translate it

Explain the meaning of the hadiths as well

madridguy:
I am talking about the Quran verse here which supercede any other dalil we can point at.
Allah SWT didn't make mention of music here I repeat and I will stand on it.

When he wanted to talk about zina, he clear it, alcohol too was mentioned boldly so why do you think Allah will corner HIS words to forbid music? The verse is not referring to music.

khalling2008:
The governor knows that Sharia law is in Nigeria's constitution. He should not waste his time on something that is recognized in the Constitution. That's how they were shouting about Islamic banking, but God passed them; Islamic banking has now been established around the country.

I don't know why they are against anything about Islam; if you have better options than what Islam offers, why not provide it to the country and let everybody see what your religion can offer?

Islam offers a non-interest banking system; if you have a better offer than what Islam provides as non-interest, please provide it.

Islam provided bonds through Sukuk for infrastructure in the country; even most 80% of federal roads in the country were used by Islamic bonds (Sukuk). If your religion has a better offer than what Islam offers, please bring it to the table and let see.

They made noise about hijab in a government school for our female student, and upon all their noise, who won last? No matter your noise about the Sharia court for Muslims in Nigeria, you will all defeated because Nigeria's constitution recognizes the Sharia law, likewise, the Sharia court.

TheNiceGuy:
If to you you didn't see the music or drum mentioned specifically, what about the Hadith? Or you only believe in Qur'an? You're Qur'aniyyun? Another fitna for ummah.

Hadith translate and explain Qur'an, YOU HAVE A LOT TO LEARN ABOUT ISLAM. I'm not perplexed about your stance again.

I hope you pray five daily solat, where in the Quran it was explained this is how you'll perform ablution? Show us.

It's in Hadith we get to know how to, how to perform solat, numbers of rakka and so on. All these are not in Quran. So if it's only Qur'an you follow, you should know you've failed already

1. Qur'an
2. Hadithul qudsi
3. Hadithu Nabawiy
4. And ijmah of the scholars are determinant in Islam.

They corroborate and align

flokii:
I have been to the North, I'm in the North.. what else do you have to say?

FYI, Hausas and Fulanis don't see Yorubas as equals in islam. In North, there are Yoruba mosques separate from the ones Hausa-Fulani muslims attend because they don't regard you They see you muslims down South as infidels (sorry for the harsh language but it is what it is).
You better do away with muslim extremist beliefs and save your soul.

TheNiceGuy:
Why's the establishment of Shariah Court in Oyo Town attracting so much noise?

Is anybody forced to accept it or why the fuse?

This is how busybodies were ranting about using hijab by Muslim women, what concerns you all about this?

Those Making noise the most are even Osus from cannibal land.

flokii:
It was the same story some years back that Christians in the North have nothing to fear.. but today, they are being attacked by the muslim extremists who don't want any other religion in the region.

You need to travel to see the situation of things in those sharia states.. we don't need such in South West.
Their mosques, 'ile kewu', islamiya is enough for them. If they won't use the Magistrate or Federal High courts to resolve their issues, then let them fvck off.

TheNiceGuy:
Have you been to any Northern State before? They just start and attacking Christians abi because of shariah? Liar

Even before you were born, there's been shariah in southwest.

You can all shove your intolerance into your asssss, it's here to stay and there's nothing you can do about it.

We have it in oshogbo already

TheNiceGuy:
I have nothing to say to you, you don't understand your religion. Musulumi olobeeyo

khalling2008:
The governor knows that Sharia law is in Nigeria's constitution. He should not waste his time on something that is recognized in the Constitution. That's how they were shouting about Islamic banking, but God passed them; Islamic banking has now been established around the country.

I don't know why they are against anything about Islam; if you have better options than what Islam offers, why not provide it to the country and let everybody see what your religion can offer?

Islam offers a non-interest banking system; if you have a better offer than what Islam provides as non-interest, please provide it.

Islam provided bonds through Sukuk for infrastructure in the country; even most 80% of federal roads in the country were used by Islamic bonds (Sukuk). If your religion has a better offer than what Islam offers, please bring it to the table and let see.

They made noise about hijab in a government school for our female student, and upon all their noise, who won last? No matter your noise about the Sharia court for Muslims in Nigeria, you will all defeated because Nigeria's constitution recognizes the Sharia law, likewise, the Sharia court.

TheNiceGuy:
Tell us the civilization your religion has brought let's hear

madridguy:
The greatest book of Muslim is Qur'an which no one can alter or disagree with. Allah SWT through the glorious Quran make Haram clearly to everyone and also warned us not to make what he makes halal haram or make haram halal.

When you have clear verse where Allah SWT condemn music kindly let me know.

mamaafrik:
Shut up,so you know his religion pass him?

TheNiceGuy:
Subhanallah
You even call Shariah useless

And you're Muslim! You don't know the gravity of this statement.

Please ask those who are deep in understanding Islam what this statement alone has done to the authenticity of your deen.

TheNiceGuy:
Have you been to any Northern State before? They just start and attacking Christians abi because of shariah? Liar

Even before you were born, there's been shariah in southwest.

You can all shove your intolerance into your asssss, it's here to stay and there's nothing you can do about it.

But they destroy Christian business every year when they destroy those beer bottles.
If the law is only for Muslims, why do hisba destroy alcoholic drinks of non Muslims?

We have it in oshogbo already

TheNiceGuy:
I said I won't respond to you but I have to. I will clear your doubt because you may think I lied about that claim.

First what we call music in today's world is Haram (as long as it involves musical instruments i.e guitar, piano, bell, drums, saxophone and sort).


Surah Luqman (31:6)
"And of mankind is he who purchases idle talk to mislead (others) from the Path of Allah without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allah) by way of mockery. For such there will be a humiliating torment."

Many scholars, including Ibn Kathir, have interpreted "idle talk" (lahw al-hadith) as referring to music, singing, and instruments. Check Tafsir Ibn Kathir.
Also Ibn Mas’ud (a prominent companion of the Prophet) explicitly stated, "By Allah, it refers to singing."

Surah An-Najm (53:59-61)
"Do you then wonder at this recital (the Qur'an)? And you laugh at it and do not weep, while you are wasting your time in vanities?"
Scholars have associated "vanities" (samidun) with singing and music in the Arabic dialect of Himyar.


Sahih al-Bukhari
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "There will be among my followers people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks, and the use of musical instruments, as lawful…"
(Narrated by Al-Bukhari, Hadith 5590)

This Hadith explicitly mentions musical instruments (ma’azif) as part of things that will be wrongly deemed lawful by some Muslims just like you today


Sunan Ibn Majah
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "A people of my Ummah will drink wine, calling it by another name, and musical instruments will be played for them and singing girls (will sing for them). Allah will cause the earth to swallow them up, and He will turn them into monkeys and pigs."
(Sunan Ibn Majah, Hadith 4020)


Musnad Imam Ahmad
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "Allah has forbidden wine, gambling, drum (kubah), and every intoxicant is haram."
(Musnad Ahmad, Hadith 19400)

Scholars interpret "kubah" as a type of drum or musical instrument.

Sahih Muslim
Abu Hurairah reported the Prophet (peace be upon him) as saying: "The bell is the musical instrument of Satan."
(Sahih Muslim, Hadith 2114)


And more more Hadith you as well can ask of if you want to learn



Ibn Taymiyyah (may Allah have mercy on him) stated:
"The view of the four Imams is that all musical instruments are haram. It is proven in Sahih al-Bukhari and elsewhere that the Prophet forbade musical instruments and said they lead to immorality and sin."

Imam Al-Qurtubi, in his Tafsir, commented on Surah Luqman (31:6):
"This verse is evidence for the prohibition of music and singing."



Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyyah stated:
"Music is the Quran of Shaytan. It occupies the heart, preventing it from pondering the Quran and obeying Allah. This is one of the tricks of the devil."
(Madarij as-Salikeen, Vol. 1)



Al-Shafi'i scholar Al-Ghazali mentioned:
"Instruments like the drum, flute, and others that arouse passions are haram, as they distract one from remembering Allah."

These evidences reflect the traditional stance on music in Islam
While the majority opinion among classical scholars is that music is haram, some argue that non-lnstrumental music(without drums, saxophone,flute, guitar, in and what have you....), without sinful content i.e waka, may be permissible. This minority opinion is based on weaker Hadith and less strict interpretations.

DeOTR:
He specifically asked you to quote any Surah that prohibits music, but you're pasting hadiths everywhere, proving him right about sneaking strange wahhabist laws into the mix. You well so?

TheNiceGuy:
Why's the establishment of Shariah Court in Oyo Town attracting so much noise?

Is anybody forced to accept it or why the fuse?

This is how busybodies were ranting about using hijab by Muslim women, what concerns you all about this?

Those Making noise the most are even Osus from cannibal land.

TheNiceGuy:
Olodo rabata. Run along

TheNiceGuy:
Wallohi you have a lot to learn in Islam if this is your mindset. You're just Muslim by name.

Your saw Hadith that explains Quran you are still arguing ?

Your likes are very many in Yorubaland, they're in North but Yoruba own too much.
They have zero knowledge of their religion but they're always at the forefront to talk when matter related to religion is a discuss, they'll be arguing with nothing as evidence but their brain.

You think Islam is a joke to you? Continue seeing the truth and rejecting it

TheNiceGuy:
Ode feeling funky

I'll be there during the inauguration date.
There's nothing Seyi can do about it.

TheNiceGuy:
Why's the establishment of Shariah Court in Oyo Town attracting so much noise?

Is anybody forced to accept it or why the fuss?

This is how busybodies were ranting about using hijab by Muslim women, what concerns you all about this?

Those Making noise the most are even Osus from cannibal land.

madridguy:
You are just telling me to seek for knowledge while you're seeing yourself as know it all. You are yet to tell me how you concluded the verse is talking about music.

I'm very sure when the Saudi Arabia leaders got to know they have been misled by the wrong ideology they're trying to correct it.

No where in the glorious Quran Allah make good and sensible music haram.

TheNiceGuy:
I presented evidence from Qur'an, you said that's not the meaning but you don't give us what it means.

Presented you evidence from Hadith, you said you can only take evidence from Qur'an.

Evidence from ijmah of scholars, you said no. Does that show you understand Islam? So why won't I say you should seek knowledge of Islam?

I'm not saying it to tell you I know anything but these things are basis for anyone to be Muslim.

You can't be Muslim and say you'll never take evidence from Hadith. In Shari'ah, you're no longer Muslim.

Beuberry:
Mr Hadith, sharia has no business with that region. You just want trouble and you will be tired of trouble. Anything that happened there is on ya neck and ya religion of piss.

TheNiceGuy:
When has Yoruba matter concern osu outcast. Run along