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Sand2022:
Ok, perhaps I missed it, what actually is the date there?

Assumed and speculation date to equalise GB date settings

paxonel:
of what vail, to show that they are soothsayers?

The future that cannot go past the messiah and his kingdom.

achorladey:
The future that cannot go past the messiah and his kingdom.

we know!
And we know that there is nothing God cannot do

But why will the Messiah want to predict the future for anyone against all odds of his natural laws that he created in-line with this earth he created from the beginning?

We read in the bible how Daniel predicted the future all for the purpose to establish God's covenant. Now the covenant is established since 2000 years ago do we still need any such predictions?
For what?
For another Messiah to come?

Because, certainly predictions are irrelevant if establishing another covenant is not necessary

achorladey:
Revelation 19:10.....

Yes, “the bearing witness to Jesus is what inspires [or, is the whole inclination, intent, and purpose of] prophesying

Thats it!

Thank you my bro

Sand2022:
If God gives this gift to men, we need to speak well of it, right?

Yes!

But on the condition that the gift inspires people to come into the kingdom and remain with Christ till he comes

Otherwise, the gift is fake

Sand2022:
Ok, perhaps I missed it, what actually is the date there?

The fixed date is "within Jesus' lifetime" that is why Peter vehemently rebuked Jesus when Jesus talked about his death {Matthew 16:22} they were hoping to start ruling with him during their lifetime with Jesus.
So when they were preaching and teaching in all their neighbourhood it's the idea that Jesus will soon start ruling they all had in mind including John the baptist that's why he expected Jesus to come and rescue him from prison! Matthew 11:2-3

In fact Jesus' statement shattered that hope by telling them he has to sacrifice his body all his disciples deserted him! John 6:66

WHY?
Most of them believe Jesus will start ruling the world that time and they will be privileged to be his corulers.

All these are signs that each of them had fixed date in mind regarding the end of suffering.

The same thing is what Jehovah's Witnesses have in mind today.

The question you should be asking is:

Why are they having the wrong expectation?

But claiming Jesus' modern day disciples are fake for having wrong expectations or fixing dates in their minds is like closing your eyes to the obvious the truth is they never mentioned any fixed date e.g 25th December 2024 but speculating that within so and so time or period all these suffering will be over nobody can convince me that Jesus' first century Jewish disciples didn't have the same thing in mind!

MaxInDHouse:
The fixed date is "within Jesus' lifetime" that is why Peter vehemently rebuked Jesus when Jesus talked about his death {Matthew 16:22} they were hoping to start ruling with him during their lifetime with Jesus.
So when they were preaching and teaching in all their neighbourhood it's the idea that Jesus will soon start ruling they all had in mind including John the baptist that's why he expected Jesus to come and rescue him from prison! Matthew 11:2-3

In fact Jesus' statement shattered that hope by telling them he has to sacrifice his body all his disciples deserted him! John 6:66

WHY?
Most of them believe Jesus will start ruling the world that time and they will be privileged to be his corulers.

All these are signs that each of them had fixed date in mind regarding the end of suffering.

The same thing is what Jehovah's Witnesses have in mind today.

The question you should be asking is:

Why are they having the wrong expectation?

But claiming Jesus' modern day disciples are fake for having wrong expectations or fixing dates in their minds is like closing your eyes to the obvious the truth is they never mentioned any fixed date e.g 25th December 2024 but speculating that within so and so time or period all these suffering will be over nobody can convince me that Jesus' first century Jewish disciples didn't have the same thing in mind!

I will agree that they may have expected the kingdom while Jesus was on earth. The expectation in Jerusalem at the time was already high, so it's understandable. But can that count as a fixed date? I mean, which date will that be? Who knows how long Jesus was going to live? What I will say is, they know Jesus is the Messiah and that he will be the one to bring the kingdom. But when he will bring it, they do not know. They may have speculated within themselves, that is possible for they are humans like us. But that they went on to tell people so and so date, the kingdom will come, I don't see anything in the bible to suggest they did so.

Again, there is no official direction from any of those taking the lead that time as to when the end will come. I don't see it. We know that JWs dates were official. It is not an informal side talks by one or two JWs. It was from the official channel.

I feel we need to end this. I see you see dates within those scriptures, unfortunately I don't see any. We can led it slide.

Sand2022:
I will agree that they may have expected the kingdom while Jesus was on earth. The expectation in Jerusalem at the time was already high, so it's understandable. But can that count as a fixed date? I mean, which date will that be?

Of course each person will be nursing that secretly in their hearts and whoever listens to them will perceive it through discussions.

So just as they never mentioned a specific date their modern day counterpart also never mentioned a specific date but are expecting the Kingdom after seeing the fulfillment of some prophecies!

MaxInDHouse:
Of course each person will be nursing that secretly in their hearts and whoever listens to them will perceive it through discussions.

So just as they never mentioned a specific date their modern day counterpart also never mentioned a specific date but are expecting the Kingdom after seeing the fulfillment of some prophecies!

Let it slide.

Sand2022:
Let it slide.

Of course it must slide because neither first century Jewish disciples of Christ MENTIONED a date regarding the end of badness nor their modern day counterpart Jehovah's Witnesses all had wrong expectations regarding the times and seasons! 1Corinthians 13:9

MaxInDHouse:
Of course it must slide because neither first century Jewish disciples of Christ MENTIONED a date regarding the end of badness nor their modern day counterpart Jehovah's Witnesses all had wrong expectations regarding the times and seasons! 1Corinthians 13:9

Stop equating your grand fraud with Jesus disciples. They were not peddling dates like your GODS of men housed in USA are doing.

achorladey:
Stop equating your grand fraud with Jesus disciples. They were not peddling dates like your GODS of men housed in USA are doing.

Can you quote a publication of Watchtower in which a specific date was mentioned?

NO!

Just as first century disciples of Christ also had lots of misconceptions about the seasons and times of the end but never mentioned a specific date!

Sand2022:
I will agree that they may have expected the kingdom while Jesus was on earth. The expectation in Jerusalem at the time was already high, so it's understandable. But can that count as a fixed date? I mean, which date will that be? Who knows how long Jesus was going to live? What I will say is, they know Jesus is the Messiah and that he will be the one to bring the kingdom. But when he will bring it, they do not know. They may have speculated within themselves, that is possible for they are humans like us. But that they went on to tell people so and so date, the kingdom will come, I don't see anything in the bible to suggest they did so.

Again, there is no official direction from any of those taking the lead that time as to when the end will come. I don't see it. We know that JWs dates were official. It is not an informal side talks by one or two JWs. It was from the official channel.

I feel we need to end this. I see you see dates within those scriptures, unfortunately I don't see any. We can led it slide.

He wants to equate the nonsense his religious leaders are doing with the that of Jesus disciples.

Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”

The disciples are still asking. They are not even sure of the time. Yet he wants us to believe they had a spurious and cooked dates in mind.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you quote a publication of Watchtower in which a specific date was mentioned?

NO!

Just as first century disciples of Christ also had lots of misconceptions about the seasons and times of the end but never mentioned a specific date!

The liar and manipulator quickly answer NO. Where did year 1799, 1874,1878,1914,1925,1975 come from and in your religious publications as God's established dates?

From the heavily manipulated NWT of Jehovah's Witnesses

By the time I give you evidence you will run with your lies and manipulations filled brains.

achorladey:
He wants to equate the nonsense his religious leaders are doing with the that of Jesus disciples. Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”
The disciples are still asking. They are not even sure of the time. Yet he wants us to believe they had a spurious and cooked dates in mind.

You go cry tire for this matter!


They were speculating that God's Kingdom will come during their time that's the same thing all of them believe and keep telling themselves until the time Jesus revealed what will happen long after his ascension to heaven by 96 c.e. to apostle John when all the other apostles were dead.

So they all lived and died SPECULATING except apostle John who received the Bible book of Revelations from Jesus {Revelations 1:1-2} and John was still thinking Jesus will meet him on earth.

Listen to his last response to Jesus:

“The one who bears witness of these things says, ‘Yes, I am coming quickly.’” “Amen! Come, Lord Jesus.” Revelations 22:20

That's the truth about first century disciples of Christ!

MaxInDHouse:
Bunch of Rubbish

Mad MaxinDhouse, you have asked this question several times about the specific fake dates set by your Watchtower Leaders all throughout the history of Jehovah's Witnesses and people have provided proof to you straight from your publications but you end up running away. Why are your Brain cells acting like a Robot? You love people repeating themselves over and over again just to disregard the evidence they give to you. If achorladay decides to bring all the evidence of your Fake Prophecies, you will either act as if you didn't see anything and run away or you will start this your merry go round argument of making people repeat themselves again. Are you sure you are not mentally ill?

achorladey:
1799
1874
1878
1914
1925
1975.

Which day was specifically mentioned and what month?

Remember faithful Jews had years in mind regarding the end of badness (when the christ comes) and that's includes John the baptist! Matthew 11:1-3
Jesus' disciples had years in mind too but they never mentioned a specific date regarding their misconceptions. 1Corinthians 13:9

Jehovah's Witnesses also had the same thing in mind eagerly anticipating the end of this system of things just as faithful servants of God always do.

What unbelieving Jews expected of Christians in the first century was PERFECTION in all they were doing otherwise no single individual will remain an unbeliever among first century Jews if Christianity was perfect inside out!

So it was the loopholes in their imperfection that made faithless Jews in the first century disregard all the prophecies these faithful servants of God fulfilled back then just as Jehovah's Witnesses are fulfilling what God promised regarding His end time faithful worshipers!

Courz:
Mad MaxinDhouse, you have asked this question several times about the specific fake dates set by your Watchtower Leaders all throughout the history of Jehovah's Witnesses and people have provided proof to you straight from your publications but you end up running away. Why are your Brain cells acting like a Robot? You love people repeating themselves over and over again just to disregard the evidence they give to you. If achorladay decides to bring all the evidence of your Fake Prophecies, you will either act as if you didn't see anything and run away or you will start this your merry go round argument of making people repeat themselves again. Are you sure you are not mentally ill?

You go cry tire Sand2022 has SURRENDERED as i keep showing him the similarities between modern day counterpart of first century Jewish disciples of Christ!

Sorry for your grievances!

MaxInDHouse:
You go cry tire Sand2022 has SURRENDERED as i keep showing him the similarities between modern day counterpart of first century Jewish disciples of Christ!

Sorry for your grievances!

Mad MaxinDhouse, you have asked this question several times about the specific fake dates set by your Watchtower Leaders all throughout the history of Jehovah's Witnesses and people have provided proof to you straight from your publications but you end up running away. Why are your Brain cells acting like a Robot? You love people repeating themselves over and over again just to disregard the evidence they give to you. If achorladay decides to bring all the evidence of your Fake Prophecies, you will either act as if you didn't see anything and run away or you will start this your merry go round argument of making people repeat themselves again. Are you sure you are not mentally ill?

Courz:
Mad MaxinDhouse, you have asked this question several times about the specific fake dates set by your Watchtower Leaders all throughout the history of Jehovah's Witnesses and people have provided proof to you straight from your publications but you end up running away. Why are your Brain cells acting like a Robot? You love people repeating themselves over and over again just to disregard the evidence they give to you. If achorladay decides to bring all the evidence of your Fake Prophecies, you will either act as if you didn't see anything and run away or you will start this your merry go round argument of making people repeat themselves again. Are you sure you are not mentally ill?

yes mad max is mentally ill and a run away coward, these things are glaringly obvious

false jw org are proved false prophets, giving wrong years for many events to happen which didn't eventuate
dum mad max thinks they are not false prophecies because a day and month isn't given
he dum as they come, of course

johnw47:
yes mad max is mentally ill and a run away coward, these things are glaringly obvious

false jw org are proved false prophets, giving wrong years for many events to happen which didn't eventuate
dum mad max thinks they are not false prophecies because a day and month isn't given
he dum as they come, of course

Hahahahahahaha. Except Mad MaxinDhouse wants to redefine what a False prophecy is, I don't understand why he denied their False prophecies straight from their publications. This is why their leaders tell them to get rid of their old publications because they are exposed in them.

I love the work you are doing in those threads they like to resurrect to rescue their dying Image. You are saving Souls, do you know that? Keep doing it. You're doing the Lord's work.

MaxInDHouse:
Which day was specifically mentioned and what month?

Remember faithful Jews had years in mind regarding the end of badness (when the christ comes) and that's includes John the baptist! Matthew 11:1-3
Jesus' disciples had years in mind too but they never mentioned a specific date regarding their misconceptions. 1Corinthians 13:9

Jehovah's Witnesses also had the same thing in mind eagerly anticipating the end of this system of things just as faithful servants of God always do.

What unbelieving Jews expected of Christians in the first century was PERFECTION in all they were doing otherwise no single individual will remain an unbeliever among first century Jews if Christianity was perfect inside out!

So it was the loopholes in their imperfection that made faithless Jews in the first century disregard all the prophecies these faithful servants of God fulfilled back then just as Jehovah's Witnesses are fulfilling what God promised regarding His end time faithful worshipers!

Tell me first where you and your deluded GODS of men housed in USA setting date on God's timetable obtained....

1799
1874
1878
1914
1925
1975.

I know none of the disciples or prophets of old write anything concerning dates. Where did you and your GODS get the above from since you want me to accept you don't set dates.

johnw47:
yes mad max is mentally ill and a run away coward, these things are glaringly obvious

false jw org are proved false prophets, giving wrong years for many events to happen which didn't eventuate
dum mad max thinks they are not false prophecies because a day and month isn't given
he dum as they come, of course

He is trying every means just like his GODS of men to colour their past through lies and manipulations of facts in their religious organization publications

MaxInDHouse:
You go cry tire for this matter!


They were speculating that God's Kingdom will come during their time that's the same thing all of them believe and keep telling themselves until the time Jesus revealed what will happen long after his ascension to heaven by 96 c.e. to apostle John when all the other apostles were dead.

So they all lived and died SPECULATING except apostle John who received the Bible book of Revelations from Jesus {Revelations 1:1-2} and John was still thinking Jesus will meet him on earth.

Listen to his last response to Jesus:

“The one who bears witness of these things says, ‘Yes, I am coming quickly.’” “Amen! Come, Lord Jesus.” Revelations 22:20

That's the truth about first century disciples of Christ!

I am extending your rope of cry peddling. By the time I show you evidence you will run away with your lies and manipulations packed into your madness and insanities peddling brains.

None of them were speculating and assuming madness and insanities into the scriptures in the name of better performing performance group than Jehovah’s witnesses

Courz:
Mad MaxinDhouse, you have asked this question several times about the specific fake dates set by your Watchtower Leaders all throughout the history of Jehovah's Witnesses and people have provided proof to you straight from your publications but you end up running away. Why are your Brain cells acting like a Robot? You love people repeating themselves over and over again just to disregard the evidence they give to you. If achorladay decides to bring all the evidence of your Fake Prophecies, you will either act as if you didn't see anything and run away or you will start this your merry go round argument of making people repeat themselves again. Are you sure you are not mentally ill?

He wants to see the evidence as bunch of rubbish to colour their history

Cry cry babies!

Sand2022 has spoken so if anyone has anything else to say the floor is still open.

Jehovah's Witnesses never declared any date just as first century disciples of Christ they all had wrong expectations regarding time, year and seasons of the end time!

achorladey:
He wants to see the evidence as bunch of rubbish to colour their history

No matter how many times Mad MaxinDhouse is shown evidence from his old JW Publications, he will always run away and come back and ask the same question again and again. It is pointless at this point to bother.

Courz:
No matter how many times Mad MaxinDhouse is shown evidence from his old JW Publications, he will always run away and come back and ask the same question again and again. It is pointless at this point to bother.

Present a publication of Watchtower where a specific date was mentioned e.g.

On the 29th of December 2024 the world will come to an end or God's Kingdom will come or badness will end globally.

That's the only way to cover your lies against God's organization!

MaxInDHouse:
Cry cry babies!

Sand2022 has spoken so if anyone has anything else to say the floor is still open.

Jehovah's Witnesses never declared any date just as first century disciples of Christ they all had wrong expectations regarding time, year and seasons of the end time!

An elder peddling cries on nairaland about lies and manipulations of the scripture. Had you reason well you would have seen when the disciples asked Jesus when will the kingdom be restored. He will just point to Daniel's prophecy. Guys do the calculations based Daniel's prophecy and you will get 1914 of a fraudulent date

MaxInDHouse:
Present a publication of Watchtower where a specific date was mentioned e.g.

On the 29th of December 2024 the world will come to an end or God's Kingdom will come or badness will end globally.

That's the only way to cover your lies against God's organization!

This is really laughable and Jehovah’s witnesses wants everyone to accept that Jesus return invisibly in 1914 and the last days began in 1914 after the mathematical gymnastics of babylon destruction in 607 BCE that don't exist in NWT

The lies against so called GOD'S organization is scattered and found in the publications of so called GODS organisation.

achorladey:
An elder peddling cries on nairaland about lies and manipulations of the scripture. Had you reason well you would have seen when the disciples asked Jesus when will the kingdom be restored. He will just point to Daniel's prophecy. Guys do the calculations based Daniel's prophecy and you will get 1914 of a fraudulent date

Cry for all i care Christ Jesus was enthroned in the year 1914!

MaxInDHouse:
Cry for all i care Christ Jesus was enthroned in the year 1914!

Where is it stated in the Bible that the disciples were peddling date and marketing it?

Shows us just one religious publication of yours that states so