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| Sharia Law Is A Pre-islamic Arab Culture And Tradition by olabrad(op): 6:06pm On Dec 30, 2024 |
It is saddening that many Yoruba Muslims do not know that Sharia law has little to do with religion. It has everything to do with tradition and culture of the Arabs before Islam started. If you are a Yoruba Muslim and you are rejoicing over imposition of Sharia law on Yoruba land, you are simply saying you want your Yoruba culture to be replaced with pre-islamic Arab culture and tradition. There is no better definition for an Omo Àlè, Akótilétà than that. Only an Omo àlè Yoruba will say his culture and traditions are less important than that of Arabs. Only an Omo àlè Yoruba will fight tooth and nail to get Sharia law imposed on Yoruba land. You Yoruba Muslims may think you are promoting Islam, but you are actually manifesting mental slavery. Some of you even boast that non-Muslim Yorubas are not your Omo Ìyá. You think the only omo ìyá you have are your fellow Muslims from around the world. The consequence of that is that you feel more connected to Muslim Fulanis and Arabs than your fellow Yoruba people because of a foreign religion that is not yours, according to Quran 14:4, which says Muhammad was only sent to Arabs and not any other tribe! As a result of that, if Muslim Arabs or Fulanis want to invade Yoruba land, you will open the door to these invaders because of religion. This makes you Yoruba Muslims clear enemies of the Yoruba People. Yorubas are known as hospitable people, but you Yoruba Muslims are destroying this hospitality identity of this wonderful tribe because of a foreign religion/culture. TheNiceGuy and all Yoruba Muslims promoting this evil, posterity will not be kind to you. Threatening me or anybody won't stop you from getting the consequences of your evil actions against the Yoruba Tribe. 3 Likes |
| Re: Sharia Law Is A Pre-islamic Arab Culture And Tradition by eagleu: 6:19pm On Dec 30, 2024 |
olabrad:Good point my brother, but let's see how fast someone labels you omo Igbo, ipod, or obedient !!! 2 Likes |
| Re: Sharia Law Is A Pre-islamic Arab Culture And Tradition by olabrad(op): 6:23pm On Dec 30, 2024 |
eagleu:Lolz. I won't be surprised 2 Likes |
| Re: Sharia Law Is A Pre-islamic Arab Culture And Tradition by advanceDNA: 7:25pm On Dec 30, 2024 |
olabrad:Islam is deeply rooted in idolatry and many of their laws are driven from pre-islam pagan practice which has nothing to do with God Walking around the Kaaba counter-clockwise is a pre-islam practice done by idol worshippers who even did their own walking naked as a means of greater sacrifice The Kaaba used to be a place for idols and there is no evidence that Abraham or his son built the Kaaba.... 2 Likes |
| Re: Sharia Law Is A Pre-islamic Arab Culture And Tradition by olabrad(op): 7:34pm On Dec 30, 2024 |
advanceDNA:Some Muslims are aware but pride and arrogance won't allow them to leave |
| Re: Sharia Law Is A Pre-islamic Arab Culture And Tradition by chatinent: 8:36pm On Dec 30, 2024 |
The core Islamic agenda is domination. Soon, they'll propose that a caliphate be mounted in strategic locations...then in due time, call it an Islamic state, as did Ilorin. 1 Like |
| Re: Sharia Law Is A Pre-islamic Arab Culture And Tradition by Blue3k(m): 10:10pm On Dec 30, 2024 |
olabrad:Any citations on this? This is first time I'm hearing about this. I'm wondering why pre islamic traditions would ban alcohol before the religion. |
| Re: Sharia Law Is A Pre-islamic Arab Culture And Tradition by eagleu: 10:17pm On Dec 30, 2024 |
Religion remains the opium of society, but it's worse when you go from basic religious doctrine to swallowing the culture and tradition of the spreading nation, whether it be Arabic or Roman to the detriment of your own indigenous cultures. Independence for anyone? 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Sharia Law Is A Pre-islamic Arab Culture And Tradition by Looking4Trouble: 10:19pm On Dec 30, 2024 |
olabrad:I need to see your medical certificate of mental fitness because you don’t sound mentally stable, just as the promoters of Shariah Law |
| Re: Sharia Law Is A Pre-islamic Arab Culture And Tradition by olabrad(op): 11:24pm On Dec 30, 2024 |
Looking4Trouble:Start by pointing out the reason for your senseless conclusion 2 Likes |
| Re: Sharia Law Is A Pre-islamic Arab Culture And Tradition by olabrad(op): 3:40am On Dec 31, 2024 |
Blue3k:Check the following sources: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia https://teachdemocracy.org/bill-of-rights-in-action/bria-15-1-a-the-origins-of-islamic-law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_Islam |
| Re: Sharia Law Is A Pre-islamic Arab Culture And Tradition by DonroxyII: 4:44pm On Dec 31, 2024 |
advanceDNA:Islam/Salam/Shallom Means Peace in Arab/Hebrew thus There is different between Islam and Arab(Culture) .... Peace is Universal while Arab is a Culture in Middle East of Earth..... If you can't grab this Concept then you are part of the confusion .. I'm a Yoruba Muslim, I wouldn't allow some Middle East Religionist to confused my identity ..... All I Know is Omoluabi & Omo-Were ... Or Humanitarianism vs Satanism! |
| Re: Sharia Law Is A Pre-islamic Arab Culture And Tradition by olabrad(op): 6:23pm On Jan 18, 2025 |
chatinent:They are manipulative and the ones making noise in the southwest must have been funded by external interests. |
| Re: Sharia Law Is A Pre-islamic Arab Culture And Tradition by olabrad(op): 6:25pm On Jan 18, 2025 |
DonroxyII:It's either you have been deceived or you decide to deceive yourself. Islam doesn't mean peace. Islam means submission. Even your foundational knowledge about Islam is a confusion  |
| Re: Sharia Law Is A Pre-islamic Arab Culture And Tradition by DonroxyII: 5:52pm On Jan 20, 2025*. Modified: 7:33pm On Jan 21, 2025 |
olabrad:Islam is a root word from Salama which literally means Peace And The Only Deen(Philosophy) that Emanate From Almighty Allah is "Peace" (Ina Deena Indallahi Islam) Thus All Servants of Allah(All Humanities) Must Subscribed to The Philosophy of Almighty Allah which is "Peace" .... Servants that Subscribed to Peace(Islam) are Called Muslim while Servant that Subscribed to Crisis are Called Kufr ..... Mumeenoon(are Staunched Believers in Almighty Allah) amongst the Muslim(Peace Adherents) While Kafiroon(Are Staunched Believers In Satan(Iblis) Amongst The Kufr) .... Once you start watching Islam(Peace) from Mere Perspective of Saudi Arabia Your Knowledge of Islam(Peace) Would be limited to Definitions By Arabian Ulamas(Arabian Jurist) Who are also Biased Based on Their Arabian Cultures! But Once You viewed Islam From Teaching Of the Holy Qur'an that's when You shall have Wider Understanding Of Almighty Allah Better & You will truly have a Peaceful Life because Qur'an is Depicting Humanities across the Globe Not Just Arabians... By definition of Muslims all Christians are Captured same as Jews and All Peace Adherent all Over the World of Humanities... But they Might not be Mumeenon(Staunch Believer in Almighty God).....! Learn Arabic Language not Mere Saudi Arabia Cultures as a Means to Define Islam .... Islam is not Saudi Arabia Religion but Religion of Almighty God (Allah) of The Universes & Everything Therein! Robu Samawati Wal Ardi Wa ma Fihi Jamihin! |
| Re: Sharia Law Is A Pre-islamic Arab Culture And Tradition by MightySparrow: 7:48pm On Jan 20, 2025 |
Islam is all about Arabs and their gods. |
| Re: Sharia Law Is A Pre-islamic Arab Culture And Tradition by DaughterOfAllah: 9:14pm On Jan 20, 2025 |
advanceDNA:Before I proceed with my remarks, let me just clarify that I'm an ex-muslim, and therefore no longer a believer, for reasons not similar to what you've enumerated here. Your statements are accurate to an extent, but I can't help but feel as though you're using them to suggest, tacitly, that Islam is therefore illegitimate solely because of this. Do correct me if I've erred in my assessment. Now, you're correct that Islam emerged in a context where idolatry and polytheistic practices were prevalent and so some pre-Islamic practices were incorporated or reinterpreted within Islam, but it would be a drastic oversimplification to therefore conclude that many Islamic laws are driven by pre-Islamic pagan practices, especially given the fact that fundamentally, Islamic jurisprudence has always been heavily based on teachings from the Quran and Hadith, with the interpretations thereof submitted by Islamic scholars over centuries. And I don't know if you're a Christian (you might be atheist), but just in case you are indeed, a Christian, I hope you are aware of the fact that the early adherents of your faith were pilloried by Romans and Jews alike, who hurled accusations of idolatry with reckless abandon, particularly because of Christians' use of symbols like the cross and other imagery like the saints icon. There's also the use of sacramentals, such as holy water, candles, and incense, the use of rosary beads or the Stations of the Cross, which have all been criticized by some as being too close to pagan rituals. So yeah, if you're truly Christian, you really shouldn't be throwing pebbles when you live in a glass house. |
| Re: Sharia Law Is A Pre-islamic Arab Culture And Tradition by advanceDNA: 10:49pm On Jan 20, 2025 |
DaughterOfAllah:u don't need to try to guess my view of islam....let me be clear ... Islam is a poor copy of biblical text and Torah backed with the Hadith that deeply rooted in old Arabian practices, cultures, with many laws bordering on paganism/idolatory. And that's why the followers of islam always try to invalidate christians and Jewish text in order to give validity to their religion... Make no mistake....I am not saying this to tackle Muslims, but it's my observation of their behavior.... .if u look well.......islam has no message, no gospel....ask a Muslim to preach the message of Quran and the highlights of his words will be pulling down Jews & Christians...telling you jesus is not God.......Lol.....its like a politician tackling opposition party to sell his party.... DaughterOfAllah:sadly the quran presented itself as an oversimplified copied text off existing books, everyone looking well can see it except Muslims themselves.. ...After copying the bible and Torah...the Quran writers needed stuffs to make it different so they pack a lot of stuff from old Arab cultures that addressed discipline and control of people that actually have nothing to do with God's message to man...... DaughterOfAllah:i am not aware!!!.... There are no such instructions in the bible to believers, both in the old and new testament ..unlike the quran where they are directly presented as islamic religious practice from Allah... DaughterOfAllah:like i said earlier...weda candles or use of cross, or wateva...I am not aware... there are no text from the bible that instruct any believer to use these things unlike the islamic prophet who gave idolatry practice and Arab cultures as dos of worship to you Muslims presenting them as God's laws or true oder of worship but really, they are not... 1 Like |
| Re: Sharia Law Is A Pre-islamic Arab Culture And Tradition by DaughterOfAllah: 1:54am On Jan 21, 2025 |
advanceDNA:Fair criticisms overall. Two things to note though: 1> You argument commits a genetic fallacy, positing that because a practice has historical roots in a particular culture, it therefore invalidates it. That's a short-sighted and lazy way to address the topic. Humans are pretty much creatures of ritual and symbolism and our cultural practices over time have evolved and adapted, and are now mostly imbued with new meaning. 2> What puzzles me with your entire position is the fact that you don't seem to see how these exact same charges you've levelled against Islam could be similarly applied to Christianity. Your own scripture, the Bible, is replete with countless examples of borrowing, adaptation, and syncretism from pre-existing mythologies and cultures! Surely, you do not suppose that the ancient Israelites invented monotheism in a vacuum? The early Christian church was deeply influenced by Hellenistic philosophy, Mithraic mythology, and the cult of Sol Invictus, among other pagan traditions. The Hebrew Bible draws plenty of influence from Zoroastrianism and Egyptian mythology to name but a few. These are facts very well documented by religious scholars and biblical historians, and I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate it if someone were to dismiss Christianity as a "poor copy" of ancient Greek or Egyptian mysticism. And that's why the followers of islam always try to invalidate christians and Jewish text in order to give validity to their religion...Attacking Islam may not have been your aim, according to you, but take a minute to notice how you've already proceeded to peddle a gross generalization about Muslims because of a few choice encounters, while prefacing your statement with a token disclaimer to immunize yourself from criticism. The problem with painting an entire group with a broad brush is that it's way more easier to fall victim to confirmation bias, where you mouth off statements that are not entirely informed and masquerade it as objective commentary. More importantly, this is yet another example of you accusing Muslims of the same thing Christians are guilty of! Why should the fact that Muslims try to invalidate other religious texts be a big deal to you, especially given the long and storied history of Christian apologists doing precisely the exact same to Islam? .if u look well.......islam has no message, no gospel....ask a Muslim to preach the message of Quran and the highlights of his words will be pulling down Jews & Christians...telling you jesus is not God.......Lol.....its like a politician tackling opposition party to sell his party....As someone who spent practically her entire life as a Muslim raised up north, growing up in a very religious household, I can state with conviction that this statement is false! Again, I don't know what kind of Muslims you've come in contact with but your claim is simply not true. Islam has a clear message and/or gospel, in line with the Quran's central theme of monotheism, as well as the prophetic tradition. So I find this assertion to be very dubious. I've already addressed your concerns about Muslims' trying to "pull you guys down" by pointing out the fact that you guys criticize Islam too, and just as fervently. One thing in your response that made me chuckle though was your analogy about political parties. I daresay it's a perfect instance of pot meet kettle, which curiously you're partaking in, using a flawed argument to try and discredit Islam. sadly the quran presented itself as an oversimplified copied text off existing books, everyone looking well can see it except Muslims themselves..The Quran is not original or unique, I concur. But so is the Bible. I hope you are beginning to appreciate how your criticisms against Islam backfire in more ways than you think? i am not aware!!!.... There are no such instructions in the bible to believers, both in the old and new testament ..unlike the quran where they are directly presented as islamic religious practice from Allah...Whether such instructions were codified into your holy scriptures is ultimately irrelevant. The fact remains that early Christians did indeed use such symbols, which caused charges of idolatry to be laid at their door by their detractors. Especially with the cross, which while not being universally accepted, even among early Christians, became a ubiquitous symbol of Christianity. I haven't even touched on the holidays! (Christmas & Easter). Isn't it curious to you how the "birth of Jesus" coincides with the ancient Roman festival of Saturnalia and the Germanic festival of Yule? And then the early church, in all its infinite wisdom, and in an attempt to convert the heathen masses, decided to co-opt these existing pagan celebrations, incorporating their traditions and symbols into what you guys now call Christmas. Easter bunnies and Easter eggs both have their roots in pre-Christian, pagan fertility rituals. like i said earlier...weda candles or use of cross, or wateva...I am not aware...You can't just conveniently ignore all the historical and cultural contexts of Christian practices over time and just cling to a literal interpretation of a book that, curiously enough, defies any attempt at literal interpretation, LOL. I believe so far that I can surmise your entire position as an attempt to try and assert some form of moral victory over Islam by ascribing the pagan epithet to Islam, and in the same breath, forgetting that your own religion has its pagan roots as well. Far be it from me, as a non-believer, to prescribe how believers should behave, but don't you think true faith should be found not in condemning other people's beliefs, but in getting to understand yours better? 1 Like |
| Re: Sharia Law Is A Pre-islamic Arab Culture And Tradition by advanceDNA: 8:06am On Jan 21, 2025 |
DaughterOfAllah:May be u missed it...my only reason is becos it's a direct copy yet always trying to invalidate and give itself validation by going into the same text it copied to call it lies.... I mean, you Muslims will call the bible false or adulterated and still use the same "false" text from the bible to validate his Quran when it's convenient for you.... DaughterOfAllah:u appear to be clinging to straws in a bid to defend what u claim u are no longer part of.....this is classic Muslim behavior...if u ask a Muslim why they kill innocent non-muslim, blowing up plane, using suicide bombers on planes and other places in the name of Allah in 2025, he will look for where Israelites went to war to justify it... Daughterofallah......u claim christians text are copies...please if u have any pre christians text where there are accounts of of the gospel of Jesus, his miracles, message, disciples, their acts, and even the old testament, which includes the message of the creation , the chronicles of kings, and prophets' prophesy pointing to Jesus's coming, events to come in the future, etc please show it here ... ..... The Quran, on the other hand has most the account of scriptures and conveniently left out text they don't want to contradic the Quran..i mean...its the same pple abraham, moses, joseph, Jesus ....but u now added of Haddit and the unholy life of the prophet, claiming its God instruction... DaughterOfAllah:my observation is greater than few and it's not an attack......I have been seeing this pattern i mentioned in muslims, both in person and great number online since i was child but want to invalidate it with few...don't all muslims constantly go into the bible to say Jesus is not God..thats just one example.....but yet its few Muslims as u tried to lazily exolain my point away... DaughterOfAllah:immunize?? I am responding to your counter opinions...so how am I trying to immunize myself.?? DaughterOfAllah:okay... what's the central gospel of islam?? The way Christians have theirs, please ma, go ahead and preach islam to me without trying to pull another religion down or claim your prophet is the last so that he can't be contested.. DaughterOfAllah:criticism or pointing out flaws is allowed.....but going into another persons text and calling it lies is what I mean by pulling down....I mean , show me any other religion in the world religion that pastes a banner in front of their place of worship that Allah is not God or mohammed is not a prophet....thats like blasphemy in islam ...yet u muslims do that DaughterOfAllah:I ddnt use that analogy as an attack because I notice that's all u think......it came from the premise of my earlier observation that you muslims always try to invalidate christians to give your religion credibility.....just Imagine ur islamic brothers and scholars distorting another religion's text by claiming Jesus' promise of sending the holy Spirit to his disciplines is false and that holy Spirit is Mohammed....if u can ponder on this well u will understand why I used that analogy.... DaughterOfAllah:again u are clinging to straws with no evidence just becos u desperately want to provide an equal counter criticism ... Please O daughterofallah.....quote me when u can provide evidence of pre-bible text that shows there was already a jesus, the old testament prophets, their prophecies, the creation story, and the coming of Jesus and his prophecies of things to come, then i will apologize that i said u are just clinging to straws...until then...u are just clinging to straws DaughterOfAllah:i will ask u for evidence of this claim in the bible but i know you don't have it... I ask you, which early christians?? Paul, Mathew, peter?? Which text points to idolatry practice.....Again u are clinging to straws... DaughterOfAllah:no it's not curious... who cares about what any random person chose to celebrate on the particular day or period and another person is celebrating something else in the same period. But it's weird that u are using the same Box idol worshippers use and kiss the black stone in the Kaaba like pre-islam idol worshipper did, throw stone Satan like they did, and match round the Kaaba counter clockwise like the idol worshipper pre-islam did....and what's more weird is ur prophet passed these practices down to u as followers as God's instruction of worshipping God DaughterOfAllah:yes i can ignore it because all ur claims have no evidence in any part of Christian worship both from Jesus, the prophets of old testament or the disciples of jesus ... DaughterOfAllah:u summary is wrong and U miss my point and highlight by a few light-years......See..the truth is...i wouldn't have noticed what's in your Quran or religion...like I don't notice Buddha, or Krishna or Sango or obatala's religious text.... But your religion is the only one thats a clear direct copy and still desperately trying to tag the same faith and texts it copied as false and u do it to give credibility to ur own religion and prophet.....whats more, u go as far as killing other innocent pple in the name of God in modern times and attempt to impose ur religion as national law like ur prophet did years ago in medina...... If ur religion was a personal thing like many religions out there....we won't be having this conversation.... |
| Re: Sharia Law Is A Pre-islamic Arab Culture And Tradition by DaughterOfAllah: 6:23pm On Jan 21, 2025 |
advanceDNA:Which one is "you Muslims", again? Oga, I've already told you that I'm irreligious and don't subscribe to any faith. My only purpose in this topic is to illuminate the glaring contradictions and dogmatic contortions that underpin all your arguments so far. I've already declared my position on this topic, so trying to pigeonhole me will just be an exercise in futility for you. You're all too happy to decry Islam as a pale imitation of Christianity, forgetting that Christianity itself is a direct offshoot of Judaism. So tell me, advanceDNA, by your own twisted logic, does this invalidate Christianity? Think carefully before you answer this because you might just end up scoring another own goal and drawing the curtains on your very own argument with your next rejoinder. u appear to be clinging to straws in a bid to defend what u claim u are no longer part of.....this is classic Muslim behavior...if u ask a Muslim why they kill innocent non-muslim, blowing up plane, using suicide bombers on planes and other places in the name of Allah in 2025, he will look for where Israelites went to war to justify it...Abeg focus on the egregious missteps you've made in your argument, and stop desperately trying to foist and saddle unrelated and unfounded characteristics on to me. The quaint habit of Muslims dredging up historical Christian conflicts to justify their own violence is not my kettle of fish, as it bears no equivalence to my critique of your double standards. You're shooting blanks here, my dear. u claim christians text are copies...please if u have any pre christians text where there are accounts of of the gospel of Jesus, his miracles, message, disciples, their acts, and even the old testament, which includes the message of the creation , the chronicles of kings, and prophets' prophesy pointing to Jesus's coming, events to come in the future, etc please show it hereWell, Christ is a central figure in Christianity so obviously there would be texts prior to Christianity detailing the life and times of Jesus Christ. But please consider, the concept of gods resurrecting - a concept that has been explored countless times, long before Jesus even existed. Consider the stories of Osiris in ancient Egyptian mythology or Dionysus in Greek mythology. Christianity didn't introduce that concept, did it? Even the ethical teachings that Christians attribute solely to Jesus, such as the Golden Rule ("Do unto others, what you want done to you"  , was ripped off directly from Confucius teachings and rephrased. The New Testament itself contains numerous references to the Old Testament, often reinterpreting or recontextualizing Jewish scriptures to fit the narrative of Jesus as the Messiah, so the practice of reinterpreting older texts is not unique to Islam as much as you want to insist it is, because Christianity has been doing the exact same thing ever since its inception.Early Christianity also borrowed directly from Greco-Roman culture, retrofitting the beliefs to suit their own doctrine. Read: Plato, one of the most influential philosophers of ancient Greece, left a lasting impact on early Christian theology, particularly in his ideas about the nature of reality and the soul. Plato’s theory of the Forms, which posited the existence of an eternal, unchanging realm of perfect ideals, provided a framework for Christian metaphysical concepts, such as the nature of God and the distinction between the material and spiritual worlds. In Plato’s thought, the material world is a shadow or imperfect copy of the true, eternal reality of the Forms. This dualistic view of reality resonated with early Christian thinkers, who similarly distinguished between the material world, which was seen as temporary and flawed, and the spiritual realm, which was eternal and perfect. The Christian concept of heaven as an eternal, transcendent realm can be traced back to Platonic ideas of a higher reality beyond the physical world. Plato’s views on the soul also found their way into Christian theology. In Platonic thought, the soul is immortal and preexists before birth, temporarily inhabiting the body before returning to the realm of the Forms after death. While Christianity rejected the idea of the soul’s preexistence, it embraced the notion of the soul’s immortality. The belief in the resurrection of the dead and the eternal life of the soul became central tenets of Christian doctrine, echoing Plato’s emphasis on the soul’s eternal nature. https://www.greecehighdefinition.com/blog/2024/9/6/the-influence-of-greek-philosophy-on-early-christianity-how-ancient-thinkers-shaped-christian-thought And that's not all, the link above goes on to enumerate how Aristotle and the Stoics also influenced Christians' morality and ethics, and even their perception of their God. .. ..... The Quran, on the other hand has most the account of scriptures and conveniently left out text they don't want to contradic the Quran..i mean...its the same pple abraham, moses, joseph, Jesus ....but u now added of Haddit and the unholy life of the prophet, claiming its God instruction...I want to assume that you truly are ignorant of these things, and that you're not just being a hypocrite who wilfully denies inconvenient truths that don't help his bizarre narrative. You keep tripping over yourself with these point blank pronouncements that only serve to reflect your lack of self awareness. Christianity, just like Islam, has its own sordid history of scriptural cherry-picking and theological gymnastics, aimed at fashioning a single narrative and avoiding self-contradiction. Or have you never heard of the Gnostic gospels? Have you never heard of the Nag Hammadi texts? For crying out loud, early Christians like Marcion and Valentinus, had their own unique interpretations of scripture, which mostly sought to elevate the spiritual over the material, and they tried to solidify their views by selectively borrowing from older texts, discarding those that didn't align with their mystical views. The old Christian church, while in its formative years, served as a hotbed of all manners of competing ideologies with varying scriptural interpretations. The canonical Bible as we know it today was not solidified until the Council of Nicaea in 325 CE, and even then, disputes over orthodoxy persisted! my observation is greater than few and it's not an attack......I have been seeing this pattern i mentioned in muslims, both in person and great number online since i was child but want to invalidate it with few...don't all muslims constantly go into the bible to say Jesus is not God..thats just one example.....but yet its few Muslims as u tried to lazily exolain my point away...The conclusions you've drawn from your so-called "observations" will never be tenable, no matter how many times you repeat it to yourself because you're making blatant assumptions based on incomplete, cherry picked data. If you really wanted to drive your point further and establish it as gospel, you cannot hinge your claims on your anecdotal experience. That's rank intellectual dishonesty coupled with laziness! Any individual taking into consideration the behavior of some Muslims, and seriously extrapolating those behaviors to mean that it is indicative of all all Muslims, is committing a laughable non-sequitur only lends credence to his juvenile logical posturings. immunize?? I am responding to your counter opinions...so how am I trying to immunize myself.??Oga let's not play dumb. What you wrote there, coupled with the tone in which you delivered it, is clear to see and read. The disclaimer you promptly submitted was an obvious move to shield yourself from accusations of Islamophobia, while still having the liberty to make sweeping generalizations about Muslims and what they do. Just like racists who would try to preface their arguments by saying, "I'm not racist, but...", before going on to deliver a racist take so harsh and abrasive, it hurts the eyes to read. So yes, in the same vein, you were trying to eat your cake and have it too. Please, we don't need to flip the script with this rhetorical jujitsu you just conjured, because you'll only end up landing on your face. u dont get it... Reference is a good thing, the new testament draws reference from the old but doesn't call it false...Aside from the fact that you're seemingly desperate to slap the Muslim label on me by any means necessary, in spite of my protests to the contrary, I don't see anything particularly useful to respond to in this paragraph. I will however, note that it's a tad convenient for you to say that referencing preceding texts is acceptable, but only if the validity of those texts are reinforced, as opposed to being challenged. Of course, it will afford you and your brothers the luxury to sidestep the glaring issue of the New Testament's frequent contradictions, in addition to revisions of the Old Testament's narratives and commandments. LOL. Smells like cognitive dissonance, with wilful self-deceit in tandem. I mean it's funny.... Muslims will claim Jesus in not God, Paul is liar, John, mark, Luke are false..then u guys will look for text in the same bible where John, mark and Paul spoke and use it to back up the Quran.... its absurd....Is it wilful dishonesty, or can you really not see how you're ripping into your own position, with these statements that, no offense intended, lack self awareness? okay... what's the central gospel of islam?? The way Christians have theirs, please ma, go ahead and preach islam to me without trying to pull another religion down or claim your prophet is the last so that he can't be contested..No wahala. The Quran's core theme revolves around the concept of Tawhid (the oneness of God), demonstrating Allah's transcendence and uniqueness, eschewing the polytheistic worldview and condemning it for obvious reasons. Do you see anything condemning Christianity in that brief summation, hmmm? If I'm being honest, it's very sad that I have to point out such obvious banalities to you because you're either ignorant, or you pretend to be. What's even more sad is that you elevate yourself in this discussion with a false sense of superiority, trying to dictate the terms of engagement, and you've somehow developed a blind spot to the bizarre contradictions and inconsistencies in your own theological framework. Nawa! criticism or pointing out flaws is allowed.....but going into another persons text and calling it lies is what I mean by pulling down....I mean , show me any other religion in the world religion that pastes a banner in front of their place of worship that Allah is not God or mohammed is not a prophet....thats like blasphemy in islam ...yet u muslims do thatToor. No be today una start to dey fight mumu fight. As a detached observer by virtue of my non-belief, I don't lose any sleep over this. Squabbles between you guys is not really my business. Christians and Muslims to me are just ignorant circus acts, pointing out their respective defects, but clueless to the fact that they have way more in common than they wish to believe, further underscoring the irony of their own hypocrisy. I ddnt use that analogy as an attack because I notice that's all u think......it came from the premise of my earlier observation that you muslims always try to invalidate christians to give your religion credibility.....just Imagine ur islamic brothers and scholars distorting another religion's text by claiming Jesus' promise of sending the holy Spirit to his disciplines is false and that holy Spirit is Mohammed....if u can ponder on this well u will understand why I used that analogy....Haba na! But DNA, you said that Muslims are always trying to invalidate Christians to give their own religion credibility, abi isn't that what you said? So why are you trying to convince yourself (not me) that this isn't precisely the same thing you're doing by asserting Islam has "no message and no gospel"? Abeg, where is your mirror? again u are clinging to straws with no evidence just becos u desperately want to provide an equal counter criticismLOL. Really, DNA? You really believe the Bible is authentic, huh? Tsk. You see, evidence is the currency of the intellectually honest, and judging from our correspondence, I dare say I'm operating on a higher budget than you. Unlike you, everything I've said is facts that can easily be verified with a 5 second Google search. quote me when u can provide evidence of pre-bible text that shows there was already a jesus, the old testament prophets, their prophecies, the creation story, and the coming of Jesus and his prophecies of things to come, then i will apologize that i said u are just clinging to straws...until then...u are just clinging to strawsThese aren't exactly secrets, my dear. I've touched on a couple of instances already in previous posts but let me double down just a little, without getting too exhaustive, and taking up space. 1> Ever heard of the Babylonian Enuma Elish? Not only does it predate the biblical account of creation by several centuries, but it bears striking similarities to it to the point that many allege plagiarism by the Bible. 2> There's also the flood myth, originally found in various forms across ancient Mesopotamian and Greek traditions. 3> The issue of prophecies is a bit more interesting. To that end, I'd recommend that you peruse the works of scholars and historians like Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Josephus Flavius - all of whom wrote, quite extensively, about Jesus, but without referencing any supernatural or prophetic elements. As a matter of fact, those prophecies are unfounded post-hoc rationalizations and interpolations, cleverly woven into the narrative by redactors in later Christian climes. I do not wish to outdo myself and risk getting banned by the spambots, so I'll just end it here, for now. I believe I've satisfied the bare minimum requested here. i will ask u for evidence of this claim in the bible but i know you don't have it...It doesn't have to state them explicitly in the Bible. All the evidence I alluded to in that paragraph doesn't reside in the Bible itself, but in the historical records of early Christianity. The fact that you're unfamiliar with the records does nothing to taint their validity, even 1 bit. Early Christian communities used various pagan symbols like the Ichthys, the Staurogram, the Chi-Rho etc, some as art, and some as clandestine signals in times of persecution, but I'm not going to hold my breath, expecting you to actually engage with these historical sources, as I suspect that you seem to be far more comfortable in your echo chamber of biblical literalism, where the only "evidence" required is a selective reading of scripture. no it's not curious... who cares about what any random person chose to celebrate on the particular day or period and another person is celebrating something else in the same period.You have to care oo, my dear, because those pre-existing festivals I mentioned, which happen to involve common Christmas traditions we know today like gift-giving and feasting, cast an encompassing shadow of doubt over your claims to uniqueness pertaining to the celebration of Jesus' birth. But it's weird that u are using the same Box idol worshippers use and kiss the black stone in the Kaaba like pre-islam idol worshipper did, throw stone Satan like they did, and match round the Kaaba counter clockwise like the idol worshipper pre-islam did....and what's more weird is ur prophet passed these practices down to u as followers as God's instruction of worshipping God...and it's weird that you keep arguing off point instead of actually addressing my actual points. Please face my actual arguments and stop fighting ghosts. Your penchant for fabricating fiction about what I believe or practice is a very transparent tactic you've chosen to resort to, which I have to say, is really a damning testament to your hapless navigation of this discussion, where you're clearly wading in waters far beyond your depth. Address your concerns here to an actual Muslim. I'm only here to remove the large bark of Iroko in your eye, even as you remove the speck in others! yes i can ignore it because all ur claims have no evidence in any part of Christian worship both from Jesus, the prophets of old testament or the disciples of jesus ...Actually you can't ignore them, DNA, because guess what? History and culture are the very fabric that gives context to your cherished scriptures. In religious apologetics, this is a well known, and generally accepted sentiment. You don't ignore culture and history, as though they were optional extras. So while you persist in cherry-picking scriptures to suit the narratives you wish to promote, while ignoring the complex, messy, and often contradictory historical record, please remember that you're not actually arguing for your faith, but for a fragile, subjective, fundamentalist fantasy. u summary is wrong and U miss my point and highlight by a few light-years......See..the truth is...i wouldn't have noticed what's in your Quran or religion...like I don't notice Buddha, or Krishna or Sango or obatala's religious text.... But your religion is the only one thats a clear direct copy and still desperately trying to tag the same faith and texts it copied as false and u do it to give credibility to ur own religion and prophet.....whats more, u go as far as killing other innocent pple in the name of God in modern times and attempt to impose ur religion as national law like ur prophet did years ago in medina......Are you going to take the time to read your response in this particular paragraph again, and see how you're further solidifying my point about moral victories, or do I have to do everything around here? LOL. |
| Re: Sharia Law Is A Pre-islamic Arab Culture And Tradition by shox: 1:37am On Jan 22, 2025 |
Islam hates human development |
| Re: Sharia Law Is A Pre-islamic Arab Culture And Tradition by orisa37: 2:55am On Jan 22, 2025 |
OLD. NATIONAL ITEM DOESN'T WANT "ARISE O COMPATRIOTS" TO ARISE AT ALL. |
| Re: Sharia Law Is A Pre-islamic Arab Culture And Tradition by olabrad(op): 9:27pm On Feb 21, 2025 |
DonroxyII:Stop deceiving yourself. Islam means submission, not peace. I'm not your ilé kéwú pupil that will swallow any nonsense you write. |
| Re: Sharia Law Is A Pre-islamic Arab Culture And Tradition by olabrad(op): 9:48pm On Feb 21, 2025 |
DaughterOfAllah:Explain how ur Arab idol will ask you to worship him in the same way Arabs were worshipping their idols. |
| Re: Sharia Law Is A Pre-islamic Arab Culture And Tradition by DonroxyII: 3:58am On Feb 22, 2025 |
olabrad:I wrote for the Internet Not "You" .... A Google search might pop up my write up for people who are more saner than You .....!! |
| Re: Sharia Law Is A Pre-islamic Arab Culture And Tradition by olabrad(op): 8:19am On Feb 22, 2025 |
DonroxyII:Lolz. In Islam being saner means allowing yourself to be deceived. Islam can only thrive through deception. Without lies Islam dies. Part of the lying is to change the meaning of Islam from submission to peace  Even in this world of information, Muslims are still lying shamelessly, not minding the fact that people can easily expose their lies. . This means lying is in the DNA of a Muslim. Islam doesn't mean peace. Islam means submission. Arabs who own the religion say this, but you a black slave with no value to Arab allah is saying something different. |
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