₦airaland Forum

babajero:
the difference is that you can see someone who really don't have asking for assistance while the professional ones depends on it for livelihood.

The highlighted shows that Saudi Arabia is against professional begging and not begging. In the past during Islamic pilgrimage muslim beggars from all over the middle East will assemble in Saudi Arabia begging people that came for pilgrimage and that is why such laws was enacted and not because Saudi Arabia is against begging.

how does the highlighted below mean all you just said?

babajero:
The Anti-Begging Law imposes strict penalties on individuals who engage in professional begging, manage a network of beggars, or incite or assist others in begging by any means

what does it mean to "incite or assist others in begging by any means"?

you decided to lift some part of the information on the website when the website provided a comprehensive definition of begging which is different from your attempt to try to distort what the website said

babajero:
Saudi Arabia is not against begging they are just against professional begging. Saudi Arabia or any Islamic country for that matter can't go against begging because it is part Islam and according to Muslims it is one arm of Islam.

who are those hanging around tinubus house?

lexy2014:
but how come Saudi Arabia, the cradle of Islam punishes begging?

Because their government knows so well that it has created a system that makes the basic things of live to be accessible to the people.

Well,

The op just wrote a long epistle complaining and condemning without making any meaningful suggestions on what to do or the way forward!

Besides, I doubt if you grew up in Ibadan as you claim. If you do, you would know that you need not hold a political position for people to come around your house especially during festive season or Ramadan for handouts, let alone a philanthropist who has been doing these for years!

Come up with solutions and we'll know you actually know what you are doing and not just writing for writing sake.

Nevertheless, have a wonderful new year.

Peace!

gasparpisciotta:
Who created the beggars in the Bible in the times of Jesus?

Please answer

The leaders...

babajero:
unlike islam and Muslims, Christianity don't encourage begging. Those people going to tinubu house to beg are doing it as part of Islamic tradition.

In some part of Lagos you will see the same so called area boys, Muslim area boys stopping motorists and motorcyclists collecting money from them for celebration they know nothing about. Begging has become a tradition to Muslims that is why even the so called rich Muslims do ass-licking to whole new level.

So area boys and political party supporters are now Muslims. You could have as well called those motorcyclists Christians to satisfy your bias.

People going to Tinunbu's houses during Christmas, a Christian holiday, are Muslims. Yet, those same people never show up at his doorstep during Islamic festivals. I hope this isn't the same brain you use to cross the road? If it is, I am sorry for you.

Even your bias is laughing at you from a mile away. Move on at this point. You are starting to sound ridiculous.

shoodboi2:
So area boys and political party supporters are now Muslims. You could have as well called those motorcyclists Christians to satisfy your bias.

People going to Tinunbu's houses during Christmas, a Christian holiday, are Muslims. Yet, those same people never show up at his doorstep during Islamic festivals. I hope this isn't the same brain you use to cross the road? If it is, I am sorry for you.

Even your bias is laughing at you from a mile away. Move on at this point. You are starting to sound ridiculous.

how many times have he gone home during Islamic festivals? It is so surprising and funny that a Muslim is talking about using brain when I wonder if you people even have any at all.

lexy2014:
how does the highlighted below mean all you just said?


what does it mean to "incite or assist others in begging by any means"?

you decided to lift some part of the information on the website when the website provided a comprehensive definition of begging which is different from your attempt to try to distort what the website said

who are those hanging around tinubus house?

Muslims.

Risingblue008:
This is what dey want exactly
Push the masses into poverty
Intimidate d masses
Give dem penny and foods
Then forget the rest
Then poor masses will call u dier messiah.

And when is election time they remember them, these are the same people that have sold their rights for #500 for baba

sagitariusbaby:
like your father and Tinubu

Tinubu na arindin but your father and mother dey there without a single achievement

helinues:
Imagine the whole long epistle with no back up pictures

What a poor reportage

Because you were blind to see the videos and pictures evidence circulating online few days ago.

It's well with una soul

astonished:
Honestly, something like this just cross my mind recently, exactly how the writer put it.

Tinubu is confirmed Evil & bad leader, I was just thinking about this thing last week & put myself in his shoes, has what I will have done to solve those people problem permanently without them rely on begging in their Life, having see kind of influences this man has.

Omo, Awolowo was the last Yoruba leader, what we have now are just evil, heartless leaders, who find joy in impoverished our people

The previous bread giveaway they had in lagos, you need to see the way they were flogging them to keep them in order. And it was for a small loaf, not even family size.

anonimi:
Are you taking about T-Pain, like he did below

Nine years after his empty barrel korofo criticism, is our country better? Is poverty better or worse?

Lol

I don't think people reflected when the President admitted in the Media chat that he had been doing this since 1999 i.e. 25 years

That's a disgrace IMO

He became Governor in 1999 and has continued to do this. People don't understand the import of that. Charity is good but if you are a governor and things remain the same, then as President, you still like it that way with all the power, you are not fit to be called a leader You're a ruler.

PLEASE ADOPT FAPRES AND CTC TRFG SINE DIE.

babajero:
Muslims.

I didnt ask you what their religion is.

babajero:
the difference is that you can see someone who really don't have asking for assistance while the professional ones depends on it for livelihood.

The highlighted shows that Saudi Arabia is against professional begging and not begging. In the past during Islamic pilgrimage muslim beggars from all over the middle East will assemble in Saudi Arabia begging people that came for pilgrimage and that is why such laws was enacted and not because Saudi Arabia is against begging.

how does the highlighted below mean all you just said?

babajero:
The Anti-Begging Law imposes strict penalties on individuals who engage in professional begging, manage a network of beggars, or incite or assist others in begging by any means

what does it mean to "incite or assist others in begging by any means"?

you decided to lift some part of the information on the website when the website provided a comprehensive definition of begging which is different from your attempt to try to distort what the website said

babajero:
Saudi Arabia is not against begging they are just against professional begging. Saudi Arabia or any Islamic country for that matter can't go against begging because it is part Islam and according to Muslims it is one arm of Islam.

who are those hanging around tinubus house?

babajero:
The Anti-Begging Law imposes strict penalties on individuals who engage in professional begging, manage a network of beggars, or incite or assist others in begging by any means. The penalties include imprisonment for up to six months or a fine of up to SAR50,000 for individual beggars, or both.
https://saudipedia.com › systems › a...
Anti-Begging Law in Saudi Arabia - Saudipedia

Saudi Arabia is not against begging they are just against professional begging unlike in Nigeria and Africa here, Saudi Arabia or any Islamic country for that matter can't go against begging because it is part Islam and according to Muslims it is one arm of Islam.

you called the law "Anti-Begging law" but claim that the law "is not against begging".

How can an Anti-Begging Law" not be against begging?

SURElee:
This reminds me of how beggars and aged parents trek to or transport themselves to the saraki's house in Ilorin just to be given one cooked wrap of semovita after sitting in the sun for hours.
mschewww!
Like, who do us this kind thing?
which sane child allows their parents to go through such stress and humiliation?
God!

While I do not derive joy in seeing people suffer hardship, some of the children those elderly peeps who queued for food as reported are here. Ask HellAnus, Yaramu, Malaria, Throwback, etc.

babajero:
I believe your religion have really corroded your brain that you cannot reason anymore.

Thank you. You own religion has errroded your brain such that the white and grey matters are interchanged!

lexy2014:
you called the law "Anti-Begging law" but claim that the law "is not against begging".

How can an Anti-Begging Law" not be against begging?

when you say anti begging that means you are ending begging entirely which we all know that Islam cannot end begging because it is part of Islam and according to Muslims it is one arm of Islam.

babajero:
when you say anti begging that means you are ending begging entirely which we all know that Islam cannot end begging because it is part of Islam and according to Muslims it is one arm of Islam.

that is not what I asked you.

you called the law "Anti-Begging law" but claim that the law "is not against begging".

How can an Anti-Begging Law" not be against begging?

It seems emilokan tinubu is hell-bent on failing.
Security - zero. Verdict: Failed
Economy - zero. Verdict: Failed
Management of beggars - zero. Verdict: Failed.
From the above, it can readily be deduced that tinubu loves making people to suffer.
And because he has failed in all ramifications, may our prosperity not find a place with him, as he will fail in managing it. Amen!!!

Fearyourcreator:
No be today people dey queue for there . Don't be hypocritical. Again many Nigerians love begging, free things too much

and your emilokan can't find a lasting solution to that?

shoodboi2:
So area boys and political party supporters are now Muslims. You could have as well called those motorcyclists Christians to satisfy your bias.

People going to Tinunbu's houses during Christmas, a Christian holiday, are Muslims. Yet, those same people never show up at his doorstep during Islamic festivals. I hope this isn't the same brain you use to cross the road? If it is, I am sorry for you.

Even your bias is laughing at you from a mile away. Move on at this point. You are starting to sound ridiculous.

I picked something here, you are very inconsistent. I am not against your submission but you failed to recognize that during Muslim festival people are also around. The difference this time around is that Tinubu has been around for many days consistently. People have been in that place for years whenever Tinubu is around.

Few days ago I posted on Nairaland that I stopped reading Punch long time ago because of poor journalism of Abimbola Adelakun.

The trend of people gathering at Tinubu's house was shifted from ABIOLA House at Ikeja after ABIOLA's death to Tinubu House. The gathering you are witnessing today at Bourdillon Street at Tinubu's house was initially at ABIOLA'S House. Reuben Abati can testify, Pastor Tunde Bakare, Charly Boy and others can testify. The crowds used to gather at ABIOLA'S House for help, for greetings but after his death, it shifted to Tinubu House. That lady doesn't know anything.

It seems nairaland moderators are looking for such news.

shoodboi2:
If you want to address the issue of people lining up in front of Tinubu's house, address it. What concerns Muslims with this? Or did the author go around asking the people lining up whether they are Muslims or otherwise? He started well but that part where he tried attributing it to Islam is wrong.

People line up in front of politician houses every year. Growing up in Lagos back then, area boys used to come to my dad's house to collect their sallah money and they would always create a big scene until our dad settled them 😁 Such behavior is not unusual and has nothing to do with religion.

Oga, religion also plays a role. Beggers have a role in Islam. There must be poor people to receive alms from the rich folks, it is their part to play.

lexy2014:
that is not what I asked you.

you called the law "Anti-Begging law" but claim that the law "is not against begging".

How can an Anti-Begging Law" not be against begging?

and I am asking you are Muslims going against Islam and Quran?

babajero:
and I am asking you are Muslims going against Islam and Quran?

that is not what I asked you.

you called the law "Anti-Begging law" but claim that the law "is not against begging".

How can an Anti-Begging Law" not be against begging?

lexy2014:
that is not what I asked you.

you called the law "Anti-Begging law" but claim that the law "is not against begging".

How can an Anti-Begging Law" not be against begging?

it is not against begging because Saudi Arabia stipulated the kind of begging they are against they didn't say they are stopping begging in its entirety.

Now my own question is, are Muslims going against Islam and Quran?

babajero:
it is not against begging because Saudi Arabia stipulated the kind of begging they are against they didn't say they are stopping begging in its entirety.

Now my own question is, are Muslims going against Islam and Quran?

pls always try to read.

even if you dont understand the law, the name of the law tells u what the law is about

diamond68:
trust me those are witches and warlocks. Nobody travels 400 miles to go beg. Everything is not ordinary eye

Na u sabi, all I know is they are Ibadan and Akure pipo.

shoodboi2:
If you want to address the issue of people lining up in front of Tinubu's house, address it. What concerns Muslims with this? Or did the author go around asking the people lining up whether they are Muslims or otherwise? He started well but that part where he tried attributing it to Islam is wrong.

People line up in front of politician houses every year. Growing up in Lagos back then, area boys used to come to my dad's house to collect their sallah money and they would always create a big scene until our dad settled them 😁 Such behavior is not unusual and has nothing to do with religion.

Ms. Abimbola Adelakun is an Ibadan-born U.S.-based female columnist with Punch newspaper. She was still based in the United States when I actively stopped reading her column. I used to read her column online but I noticed she sometimes liked to engage in the use of patronizing innuendos and sophistry, so, I stopped reading her column. I can always suss anyone who tries to push out over exaggerated and misleading stories out just to get more readership or patronize a particular group of people.

However, some of her (Abimbola's) points are valid here and it's NOT nice that people come queueing up in front of his palatial Bourdilon, Ikoyi residence to collect gifts. He can organize a Foundation in a separate location for such events and NOT have several people queuing up outside his residence. This is EXACTLY what happens for decades and centuries now in Northern Nigerian states where rich or multimillionaire Muslim men openly give out money, food and drinks to low income Northerners who queue up outside the houses or rich men as part of Zakat which is an obligation for Muslim folks based on what I know of Islam although I'm not one.

Konquest:
Ms. Abimbola Adelakun is an Ibadan-born U.S.-based female columnist with Punch newspaper. She was still based in the United States when I actively stopped reading her column. I used to read her column online but I noticed she sometimes liked to engage in the use of patronizing innuendos and sophistry, so, I stopped reading her column. I can always suss any who tries to push out over exaggerated and misleading stories out just to get more readership or patronize a particular group of people.


However, some of her (Abimbola's) points are valid here and it's NOT nice that people come queueing up in front of his palatial Bourdilon, Ikoyi residence to collect gifts. He can organize a Foundation in a separate location for such events and NOT have several people queuing up outside his residence. This is EXACTLY what happens for decades and centuries now in Northern Nigerian states where rich or multimillionaire Muslim men openly give out money, food and drinks to low income Northerners who queue up as part of Zakat which is an obligation for Muslim folks.

Thank you for your insight. I didn’t even know the crowd used to go to Abiola’s house. Plus I never heard that they go during Muslim festivals. I, like most people, assumed they only went to Tinubu’s house at the end of the year.

Actually, this news about people lining up outside Tinubu’s house for handouts at the end of the year, has been making headlines over the past 4/5 years. And no one ever attributed it to religion. It’s even more of an ethnic thing than anything.

Blord, one rich dude who is under 30 years old, did something similar for his people in his town. And many Igbo millionaires do something similar in their villages too. And I know that many politicians and rich folks in the North and here in the South West do the same too. Such is quite common around Nigeria and has nothing to do with religion and it’s quite normal that people go to the houses of rich folks for money and food at the end of the year.

My grouse with the article has to do with the writer trying to frame it as a Muslim thing. It clearly has nothing to do with Islam, yet the dumbo writer attributed it to Islam and their the anti-Muslim squad here on nairaland is suddenly going on with it. I actually researched the so-called Abimbola Adelakun’s post on Punch (after reading your post) and she appears to have an anti-Muslim sentiment.

In all, I just thought it was necessary to comment to counter the anti-Muslim sentiment that Nairaland has been spreading over the past few years. Thank you for your insight once again.

Konquest:
Ms. Abimbola Adelakun is an Ibadan-born U.S.-based female columnist with Punch newspaper. She was still based in the United States when I actively stopped reading her column. I used to read her column online but I noticed she sometimes liked to engage in the use of patronizing innuendos and sophistry, so, I stopped reading her column. I can always suss any who tries to push out over exaggerated and misleading stories out just to get more readership or patronize a particular group of people.


However, some of her (Abimbola's) points are valid here and it's NOT nice that people come queueing up in front of his palatial Bourdilon, Ikoyi residence to collect gifts. He can organize a Foundation in a separate location for such events and NOT have several people queuing up outside his residence. This is EXACTLY what happens for decades and centuries now in Northern Nigerian states where rich or multimillionaire Muslim men openly give out money, food and drinks to low income Northerners who queue up as part of Zakat which is an obligation for Muslim folks.

Thanks for this. Actually, this issue has been making rounds over the past four to five years. No one likes it too and we all used to condemn it and talk about how it indicates the poverty in Lagos. People even used it to mock APC at some point. The issue has to do with the lady Islamizing the whole thing and trying to attribute it to Islam. This event happens everywhere -- even in the East.