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Ojiofor:
Nonsense thread.
There are still some villages in SE full of mud houses.

Ofodirinwa:
Yes, mud houses exist, but if the new constructions in your village are still bungalows and 1932 strucutures and you tell me you're not Igbo, I will fully believe you.

This should not cause a fight. In the past igbo ppl determined belonging by Eke Orie Afo Nkwo market, language, and culture. But those three things bring regular generational progress and if I'm not seeing regular generational progress, what is the purpose of calling the people Igbo?

If anything, this thread should free those who want to be free. You cannot move through rural Ikwerre land and say these are Igbo people despite language.

Ojiofor:
We are celebrating new Ohanaeze leader who is an Ikwerre man.This your thread is purely a distraction.
Ethnic group is not measured by fine houses.

kettykin:
The archetype of "being Igbo" is far more profound than external structures. It is defined by values such as hard work, resourcefulness, communal living, respect for elders, and a deep connection to culture and language. Whether in mud houses or high-rises, these core values persist, making the Igbo archetype inherently dynamic and capable of thriving in changing contexts. Being an igbo goes beyond the present architecture of our palatial homes to something bigger. Ikwere might not have suffered so much hostilities to abandoned properties or seized property after the war to necessitate them building palatial mansions deep in their villages

imiski:
I live in Jedidiah estate in Enugu state, and my line of work has taken me around the southeast, almost every nook and cranny. Believe me when I say Igbos are chest beaters. They are online billionaires.

imiski:
I live in Jedidiah estate in Enugu state, and my line of work has taken me around the southeast, almost every nook and cranny. Believe me when I say Igbos are chest beaters. They are online billionaires.

imiski:
I live in Jedidiah estate in Enugu state, and my line of work has taken me around the southeast, almost every nook and cranny. Believe me when I say Igbos are chest beaters. They are online billionaires. They have started mentioning me, one thing I have learned over time staying with them is that you can't convince them otherwise no matter how true your arguments are. So I'll save my energy. But I know for a fact that their villages and towns are not as beautiful as they brag about, except Enugu city and that's because it is an old capital city like lagos, if you go to awugu, Nsukka, udi eke-obunagu, agbani, even onitsha, ukpo-dunukofia with all their Forbes billionaire don't have mobile network, I don't want to mention Ebonyi because among themselves they regard Ebonyi people as Hausa people especially Izza. When they act films you see them use Only Enugu and majorly Asaba. When they snap pictures of their village its usually aerial view, or some selected houses then they come and post it online. One person said they pipe low, and this is the same argument that I had with someone some time ago, you can never be a billionaire and hide, because your Investments must bring you out, your company would be traded the accounts books would be public knowledge and every new business aqusitionwould be visible. BILLIONAIRE IS NOT BY HOW MANY CARS YOU DRIVE OR THEIR WORTH OR THE WORTH OF YOUR HOUSE. A BILLIONAIRE IS BY THE WORTH OF YOUR INVESTMENTS WHICH CAN NEVER HIDE BECAUSE THE HIGHER YOU GO YOUR COMPANY MUST BE TRADED AND YOUR BOOKS MUST BE OPENED. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SILENT BILLIONAIRE/MILLIONAIRE. I drop my pen.

IfyAwazie:
Op.. Show me the picture of una house I want to check something...

Bish42:
Ikewere, ebonyi and others could end up having thesame igbo spirits if they become more attached to the regions where the spirit is dominate. Hope they survive it and don't feel threatened as the core igbo behaviors can be very brutal sometimes.

imiski:
I live in Jedidiah estate in Enugu state, and my line of work has taken me around the southeast, almost every nook and cranny. Believe me when I say Igbos are chest beaters. They are online billionaires. They have started mentioning me, one thing I have learned over time staying with them is that you can't convince them otherwise no matter how true your arguments are. So I'll save my energy. But I know for a fact that their villages and towns are not as beautiful as they brag about, except Enugu city and that's because it is an old capital city like lagos, if you go to awugu, Nsukka, udi eke-obunagu, agbani, even onitsha, ukpo-dunukofia with all their Forbes billionaire don't have mobile network, I don't want to mention Ebonyi because among themselves they regard Ebonyi people as Hausa people especially Izza. When they act films you see them use Only Enugu and majorly Asaba. When they snap pictures of their village its usually aerial view, or some selected houses then they come and post it online. One person said they pipe low, and this is the same argument that I had with someone some time ago, you can never be a billionaire and hide, because your Investments must bring you out, your company would be traded the accounts books would be public knowledge and every new business aqusitionwould be visible. BILLIONAIRE IS NOT BY HOW MANY CARS YOU DRIVE OR THEIR WORTH OR THE WORTH OF YOUR HOUSE. A BILLIONAIRE IS BY THE WORTH OF YOUR INVESTMENTS WHICH CAN NEVER HIDE BECAUSE THE HIGHER YOU GO YOUR COMPANY MUST BE TRADED AND YOUR BOOKS MUST BE OPENED. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SILENT BILLIONAIRE/MILLIONAIRE. I drop my pen.

yarimo:
Land grabbers everywhere

Ofodirinwa:
This december we saw hundreds of drone shots of igbo villages.
I am here to categorically say if your village does not look like an Igbo village, your people are probably not Igbo.

There is a debate about Ikwerre and other groups being Igbo. I used to believe they were Igbo until I realized what their rural communities looked like.

The reason this is a good testing method is because I know what Igbo culture, spirit and psychology does to a young man and how it is impossible to live and die without making an imprint on your community as a minimum. This is primarily done through building a great home. I also know that this same spirit ina community will assure that, at least, 25-30% of young men will be rich by the time they pass.

But I see Ikwerre communities are still in 1912. Meanwhile most of Anioma and Ika look like most of Imo, Anambra, Abia, Enugu, Ebonyi etc.
So it is obvious to me that there is a difference. In the Igbo communities, nobody is forcing or instructing these young men to build what they are building. The generation after them are even thinking of ways to out build the previous generation. If you go to Ijaw villages, Ikwerre villages, Edo villages in 2000. Come back in 2024 and nothing has changed. Just bungalows and dirt road.

This is not to say that there is no poverty in Igboland, but within that poor family, every 1 years a member escapes poverty. So there will be physical evidence of this.

I don't believe in claiming the unclaimable. If you are Igbo, it will show. Going forward, Igbo villages are the ones that look like the one below.

Yujin:
You're definitely an ignorant person which is one big problem when it comes to speaking about people's identity. Your observation might be right but you hypothesis and conclusion is totally flawed. I'll challenge you on few things with regards to this topic.
1. Have you travelled round all Igbo communities to confirm if they all have similar taste for architectural advancement? I can bet you have not.
2. Are there still Igbo communities even in the SE with mostly pre 1960 styled buildings? Yes, there are a couple of them.
3. Does it mean that those communities aren't Igbo people? Certainly not.

This shows that your poor yardstick for assessment is flawed and at worst an insult. I appeal to you stop forthwith in this misguided path and allow us forge ahead as a people who have had a difficult history because of our identity.
This isn't the time for stupid comparison that bothers on ancestry. Our language, culture and traditions have already shown our identity. Factors over time can impact a section of people that can lead to their decline or rapid advancement. Only a careful observant mind can see the actual problem and not just their differences to use for comparison.
My answer as to why some Igbo communities especially those outside the South East don't build mansions back in their villages is this.
1. Most of them fell for the plot of the enemies of Ndigbo who wanted the entire Igboland to be laid back and less ambitious. When they accepted the Igbo denial stuff, they fell fully into the trap. All what mattered to them became to deny being Igbo. Nothing else matters. Even if others are stealing the resources in their land, they dare not talk. At best, they will ask for settlement and go back to their laid back lifestyle. We all know Igbos are very critical people. This part of them only comes out when you tell them they're Igbo. Thus, their communities didn't witness much development. It is very sad. This isn't limited to Ikwerres alone but the entire indigenous Igbo communities of Rivers state. Have you being to Omoku? This town is suppose to be the second most developed town in Rivers but we see the same problem. What about Ndoni(Peter Odili's home town)? It was even Wike that built a befitting house for him. Is he also not Igbo?

2. I'll call it the minority bug. This is the bug that naturally makes a people laid back because they see themselves as being a smaller people. It is what Buhari and his minions have been trying to do to the SE by calling us 'dot in a circle' and '5 plots of land'. They're trying to sow it into the minds of our people. Unfortunately for them, we saw through it and beat them back. Our brothers from Anioma also saw it at stepped up to challenge and counter it. They started to realize the danger that we all will be if we didn't counter that narrative. Today, our Rivers brothers are coming out in droves to also counter it because it has dawned on them the danger it portends for all. The day our cousins in other SS states will realize this too, they will wake up and join us to fight for our land, resources and rights. Our collective enemies have been profiting for too long from our in fighting. All our resources have gone to outsiders including all the lucrative jobs in multinational companies. The headquarters of those companies are all outside our regions and pay their taxes there.
3. Detachment from your brothers that have the comparative advantage in businesses. The more detached Igbo groups are detached from those already ahead, the lesser the opportunity they have to improve. Iron sharpens iron. Our Anioma brothers saw this on time and came closer and today, we all can see the improvements in their communities. Now that our Rivers brothers are coming closer, you will see the difference in no distant time. Igbo nation is a great one because we have too much human resource and you'll be motivated by your brothers when you walk with them. Our cousins who walk with us always have a testament to that. Dr. Apoki is one of such people. You can check his videos on YouTube. There are thousands like him who have testimonies for associating with Ndigbo.

All Igbo speaking communities are Igbo people irrespective of their different developmental stages. Factors abound that led to the different stages but together, we can help one another to build a great and well developed Igboland.

Smartcitizen:
Even God in heaven knows you are a very big liar.


You are writing this to encourage yourself and your brothers in Ekiti, Osun and Kwara who doesn't have business coming home to develop their home except coming for burial and going back immediately after burial.

Ofodirinwa:
everything you have said is sharp. But there are holes in your reasoning. I will start with the minority bug. You are correct to an extent. But now, as an Igbo man (which I believe you are), can an hausa person come to your town and tell you you're not Igbo and you then say 'ok'?
The reason Igbos can't accept the minority bug is because igbo culture conditions you to see yourself as equal to everyone in the world. This means whatever is being achieved in Japan, you also believe you can achieve it. For this reason, both feeling small and denying being IGbo are impossible.

But what if an hausa person came and told ikwerre they're a minority and they said 'ok'. Different cultural orientation.
There are old structures in the South east, but young people are not building them. In Ikwerre, people are either living in the grandfather's home, or are not interested in building anything at all unless it's in PH town. This is a similar cultural pattern to others who are not Igbo like Ogoni, Ijaw, Edo etc. Even now, as an Igbo man, you are seeing that there is an advantage in Ikwerre and Igbo being connected for both sides. Ikwerres tap into a massive enterprising majority group. I'm not sure what Igbos gain, I can say access to the see but we already have it, and the Rivers coast is Ogoni, Bonny and Ijaw anyways. But as you're seeing these advantages, Ikwerre are not.

Obigbo (Oyigbo) see them. If you go to Obigbo you will see settlements that look like normal parts of Imo or Abia. If you go to Ikwerre the shift happens.

Even as a normal Igbo man, if someone from your own town declared you people were vassals of Bini people, wouldn't there be a natural shame that comes with it? So what happens when you encounter people who don't reason the situation the same and are ALSO telling you they are not igbo. And one of the most crucial aspects of what makes a person Igbo culturally, which is out relationship to our village, is not shared.

MAYBE they are a people like Ogoni who happened to choose Igbo as their language. This is not a case of developmental stage. There is developmental state and there is developmental orientation. stages can differ within a culture but your fundamental idea of what development is, is cultural and Ikwerre do not share the Igbo mind vision or spirit about it.