₦airaland Forum

Raf4:
The first and the last lines of your comment belong to the elders in your village.

Believeintruth:
But all regions were accountable to Balewa too, so what are you saying?

T9ksy:
Balewa did not appoints the regional premiers- the people did!

Believeintruth:
Stop being foolish and trying to gaslight me. You are already cursed.

Raf4:
Your destiny is cursed!!!

Believeintruth:
That doesn't change anything the main truth is that Ironsi still retained the regions but appointed regional governors.

T9ksy:
Oh, but "that" changes everything. That was the reason why Ojukwu went to war chatting "On Aburi, we stand". That, was the reason why tens of thousands of your kith and kins died of kwashiorkor..

Ojukwu manipulated Gowon into agreeing to going back to the Balewa era ( where the "govenors" were chosen by the people) however ,when Gowon got back to Nigeria are realised what Ojukwu intentions were, he reneged and insisted on Ironsi unitary system wherein, he Gowon, will be appointing (and firing) the regional govenors.

It's obvious that Gowon would have eventually fired Ojukwu, had the latter not decided to go to war.

Believeintruth:
Can you explain the highlighted, when the aim of Aburi agreement that Gowon signed to, was on the issue of a confederation and not the Balewa era style politics.

T9ksy:
Oh, but "that" changes everything. That was the reason why Ojukwu went to war chatting "On Aburi, we stand". That, was the reason why tens of thousands of your kith and kins died of kwashiorkor..

Ojukwu manipulated Gowon into agreeing to going back to the Balewa era ( where the "govenors" were chosen by the people) however ,when Gowon got back to Nigeria are realised what Ojukwu intentions were, he reneged and insisted on Ironsi unitary system wherein, he Gowon, will be appointing (and firing) the regional govenors.

It's obvious that Gowon would have eventually fired Ojukwu, had the latter not decided to go to war.

T9ksy:
Bro, you dey fail my hand o! No be you dey accuse others of not having any sense, ni?
I guess, you do not know the meaning of the word, confederation? Ok, let me break it down for you.

noun:
a person, group, nation, etc., united with others in a confederacy; an ally.

Synonyms: cohort, partner, associate.



Do you get it now? Do you see any difference between "confederation" and "federation" or the regionalism, we had at independence? We were united in a confederation with each region, group or ethnic nationality exercising some autonomy over his area of influence. we were "united" as allies, partners or associates. Each federating region manages his/her affairs as it deems fit and we only meet to discuss what affects the whole groups such as foreign affairs, international subjects and the likes.This was what we had in the balewa era. The center was not very strong. No region can dominate another or form preponderance on others.

When Ironsi, came on board, he abolished this system of govt that we all agreed on and insisted that we should all unite as One. No tribal or group affiliations. No region is allowed to manage its own affairs, alone. It's down to Ironsi to appoint governors for each region, who will in turn be accountable to him and not to their people.

Do you get it now? Confederation is same with federating units which we had in the beginning whereas unitarism is a strong center with whomever is in power making choices for all the other regions. Unitarism is basically a recipe for "Domination"

gidgiddy:
It was military rule, there's no democracy in military rule, it's all by appointment. There is no such thing as going back to the time of people people choosing their leaders, unless the military were on their way out and were handing over to civilians

Aburi was about discussing the way foward during the period of Military rule, and what was agreed and signed there was for the period of Military rule, not period of democracy.

However, the structural change Gowon made when they returned to Nigeria is still haunting Nigeria to this day. He abolished the Region's and removed resource control

General Joe Ankrah was Military Head of State of Ghana, he hosted Gowon and Ojukwu. But General Ankrah never changed the structural arrangement of Ghana by abolishing the Region's, nor removed resource control. So when civilian rule returned, all they needed to do was dust their old constitution and return to what they were doing before the military. Today, Ghana is far more stable than Nigeria, economically and politically, still has Region's and resource control.

You guys never understood that Ojukwu was fighting in Aburi for everyone, while Gowon was fighting to make his fellow Northerners masters of Nigeria through structural change.

Believeintruth:
dude stop trying to be half clever. Gowon agreed that in Aburi the individual units would be run as a confederational system where power would not be concentrated in the centre. Confederation is not the same as federating units in a Federating units it is 50: 50 but in confederation the regional units have more power.

gidgiddy:
It was military rule, there's no democracy in military rule, it's all by appointment. There is no such thing as going back to the time of people people choosing their leaders, unless the military were on their way out and were handing over to civilians

Aburi was about discussing the way foward during the period of Military rule, and what was agreed and signed there was for the period of Military rule, not period of democracy.

However, the structural change Gowon made when they returned to Nigeria is still haunting Nigeria to this day. He abolished the Region's and removed resource control

General Joe Ankrah was Military Head of State of Ghana, he hosted Gowon and Ojukwu. But General Ankrah never changed the structural arrangement of Ghana by abolishing the Region's, nor removed resource control. So when civilian rule returned, all they needed to do was dust their old constitution and return to what they were doing before the military. Today, Ghana is far more stable than Nigeria, economically and politically, still has Region's and resource control.

You guys never understood that Ojukwu was fighting in Aburi for everyone, while Gowon was fighting to make his fellow Northerners masters of Nigeria through structural change.

T9ksy:
when Ironsi introduced unitary sytem into our polity, Ojukwu was the only military governor that supported ironsi's abrogation of our hitherto preferred form of governance. All the other governors spoke against it except Fajuyi, who refrained from offering his opinion on the matter.

However, the moment his kinsman was booted out of office, same Ojukwu now wants to reverte back to confederacy? Why the flip-flop?

T9ksy:
You are irredeemable!!!

As per your comment above, in bold, ojukwu was not fighting for everyone in nigeria, not even his kinsmen, rather he was fighting to save his prifessional career. Gowon would no doubt have fired ojukwu from his SMC, in due cause.

Ojukwu was okay with his kinsman's unitary sysyem where only the piper determines the tunes whilst everybody else just dance along to it but when his kinsman is out of officr, it's no longer okay with ojukwu for the piper to determine the tunes, again

Unfortunately, the whole country doesn't revolves round ojukwe and his kinsmen's desires.

gidgiddy:
Well I hope you guys have been enjoying the structure Gowon gave Nigeria, no resource control, no regions, multiple unviable states.

Believeintruth:
Oga stop being dense and dwelling in cheap lies, did Hassan Katsina, Gowon, Ejoor and others condemn it? Did Fajuyi condemn it? You guys always want to play smart on this. There was no record where any of the governors objected to Ironsi

No, no one objected to Ironsi's dumb decree 34 .

Omo, you are very vacous o.....to a fault!!!

Google is your friend.......google....May 1966 riot and then come back and tell me that no one objected to Ironsi's decree 34..

Are you even aware, how many of your elders met their untimely death as a result of Ironsi's decree 34?
And you have the temerity to accuse others of being ignorant?

T9ksy:
No, no one objected to Ironsi's dumb decree 34 .

Omo, you are very vacous o.....to a fault!!!

Google is your friend.......google....May 1966 riot and then come back and tell me that no one objected to Ironsi's decree 34..

Are you even aware, how many of your elders met their untimely death as a result of Ironsi's decree 34?
And you have the temerity to accuse others of being ignorant?

Believeintruth:
Guy see ehn stop trying to be a wise arse. Grammar bo dey show say you get sense. Show me where the governors spoke against the unitary decree. You said only Ojukwu supported it, now i am asking you to show me where other condemned it, Gowon inclusive.

T9ksy:
No, we are not!!! Ironsi set the ball rolling . Gowon only improvised on the structure Ironsi started.

T9ksy:
Omo, i gave you an homework to do. Have you done it? Hell no else you won't be back here asking du.mb questions.

Ok, you win. No one objected, ironsi's decree and infact, he lived long and died in his sleep.

Believeintruth:
Bros I gave you first. Show me where any of the regional govs apart from Ojukwu condemned Ironsi's decree and spoke to Ironsi about it.

gidgiddy:
Well since none of you manged to do better than Ironsi in the last 60 years, even with all the civilian and military rule you have have in that time, you lose the right to criticise Ironsi

Even your brother Obasanjo created 7 additional states, taking the 12 Gowon created to 19 States.

None of you managed to do better than Ironsi when it was your turn, none of you even attempted to reverse whatever he did. In fact, all of you ended up doing far worse

T9ksy:
[color=#000099][i]Omo, do you also have problem with comprehending written text, ni? Ok, reiterate, no one oppose Ironsi du.mb unification decree and the "May riot" was actually, an acceptance demonstration of the afore-mentioned decree by ironsi.

Now, will you indulge me and google " the May riot of 1966,in Nigeria"? Can you tell me how long did it last for? number of casualties?

Believeintruth:
Oga you are just jumping everywhere. This format you are using is too stale. Please show me where the governors voiced their opposition to Ironsi? it is very simple

T9ksy:
And i conceded to you; the governors did not object to ironsi's. Happy now?