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Dindondin:
Fact he was a shrine keeper. Let's say he did a good job and nature rewarded him. All. thanks to Oranmiyan's adventurous spirit because na him ni stay at home. If you read history of Yorubas you will see when Oranmiyan left Ife to found Oyo. He has first gone on Bini mission and possibly returned to Ife. Or should we blame it on Oduduwa who didn't put in a different successor and settle Oranmiyan with other parts of the land.
But looking forward, if Oranmiyan wasn't a conqueror, Yorubaland proper no go big pass Ife town in Osun State.

MightySparrow:
The imbalance in Yoruba history was founded by the Oyo people. Samuel Johnson wrote a history that was was biased, based on falsehood. His agenda as an Oyo man was to claim superiority over other children of Oduduwa. The ways and manners he presented the Ekitis and Ijebus and ijeshas even Oòni are both degrading and different from the histories of these peoples themselves. His inaccurate history creates loopholes that makes attacks on the authentic history possible.



In the olden days when education was scarce and educated people were scanty, the few educated were adored by their natives and a beacon of light to the colonialists. Rev. Johnson, an Oyo man tried to write a compendium of history the children of Oduduwa. Before the colonization, the people groups in today's 'Yoruba' race were not having a common name than olùkùmi, my friend. The Ekitis, Egbaa Ijebus, Ondos etc all migrated from Ile Ifẹ, and settled wherever they are found today. They all took along language (which later developed to dialects), religion and culture and other things that show common source. With the passage of time these people established themselves as a dominant force in the south of Sahara.

Revrend Samuel Johnson, edited and or embellished his brother's manuscripts, like Aaron and the calf, came about a strange beginning of Oduduwa and Lamurudu, Mecca and or Sudan story. The claim of Oduduwa migration from Mecca is not substantiated by meccans neither has any reasonable historical evidence in Ife history. While he claimed that a Bible passage is hidden in Iledi in the palace of Oòni, other source says it was quranic passage. None of these have any evidence. The so to say affiliation with the Gogobiri is not substantiated by the tribe either. The history of the people are seemingly not related with the children of Oduduwa.



The unfounded rivalry between Oòni and Alaafin and the jabs from Bini Kingdom over the ownership of Oduduwa are few of the damages of the Òyó people on the children of Oduduwa.



The Oyo people also by Samuel Àjàyí Crowther, earned the children of Oduduwa a derogatory name Yoruba. Yoruba was giving to Oyo traders by Fulanis because of their trickery. This name was rejected by many tribes until it was made official by the British colonial government. When Henry Townsend began his newspaper, it was known as the Iwe Irohin egba and Yorubas. The name did not go well with other children of Oduduwa. There were rebuttals and rejections from scholars of the day when Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther imposed the name on the test, especially, following his translation of the Christian scriptures.



The oyos broke the covenant of brothers when they began to fight their brothers against the pact at It's Ajero, in ile ìfẹ. Before the dispersal of the children of Oduduwa, ìta Ajere was a place of discussion among the children of Oduduwa. The same place still exists today. It was there, they had agreement not to lift weapons against themselves , this pact was in force until the arrival Oyo people and the began terrorizing their brothers who lived peacefully in their domains. This eventually ended with the resistance from Ekiti in a harrowing sixteen - year war in which reverend J. B. Cook was the arbiter in the Ibadan /Ekiti parapò war..



Today, the children of Oduduwa bear a derogatory name, the mispresentation of the origin of Oduduwa is a tussle between Bini Kingdom and Ife, not to talk of the whole city of Ilorin becoming an annex of Sokoto caliphate.



The damage done by the Òyósare today not easily redeemable.

christistruth01:
Ooni is Oduduwa's successor and is the defacto king of Yorubaland
The other Obas are the Autonomous Governors of Oduduwa's Yoruba Federation

If Ooni was a mere Shrine keeper he would not wear a Crown

Dindondin:
Is it that you don't know history or you are being diplomatic?

christistruth01:
.Why do you think Ooni is Ranked number 1 amongst all Oba of Yorubaland
Does Ooni look like an Abore to you in this Photo?

Dindondin:
Fact he was a shrine keeper. Let's say he did a good job and nature rewarded him. All. thanks to Oranmiyan's adventurous spirit because na him ni stay at home. If you read history of Yorubas you will see when Oranmiyan left Ife to found Oyo. He has first gone on Bini mission and possibly returned to Ife. Or should we blame it on Oduduwa who didn't put in a different successor and settle Oranmiyan with other parts of the land.
But looking forward, if Oranmiyan wasn't a conqueror, Yorubaland proper no go big pass Ife town in Osun State.

seunmsg:
There is no shrine keeper in the lineage of Ooni of Ife. It’s an entirely false assumption. Before Oduduwa assumed the throne at Ife, Obatala was the leader of the 13 clans that made up Ile Ife. Oduduwa came in and waged war on Obatala to takeover the leadership. He thereafter established the Ooni dynasty.

After Oduduwa’s death, the descendants of Obatala took over the throne and not shrine keepers. Osangangan, Ogun, Obalufon, and Alayemore who reigned in quick succession were all from the Obatala lineage.

During Oduduwa’s reign, Bini people sent emissaries to request for his intervention in solving their leadership problem. He then sent Oranmiyan to Bini. When Oranmiyan left Bini, he did not go back directly to Ile Ife. He instead went northwards and established Oyo. Being a restless spirit, he left Oyo and eventually returned home. He got back to Ife during the reign of Obalufon Alayemore and waged a war against him just like Oduduwa did against Obatala. Alayemore ran away to somewhere in Ekiti now known as Efon Alaaye. Oranmiyan then ascended the throne and reigned as Ooni till he died. Upon his death, Alayemore returned to Ile Ife as Ooni. Till today, the Ooni of Ife stool is rotated between Oranmiyan and Obatala descendants. There is no lineage of shrine keeper in the Ooni dynasty.

Dindondin:
So are you saying Samuel Johnson's book was fallacious?
What is the name of the child of Oranmiyan that succeeded his lineage?
In some account, Obalufon's children too were part of Oni.
See this list on Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/If%E1%BA%B9
And the screenshots below confirmed claim a priest became Oni and his descendants are possibly on throne till today. Logically, it's possible Oranmiyan didn't leave successor in Ife but in Oyo and Benin.

Dindondin:
Relax. History of Yorubas by Rev Samuel Johnson was written in the 1800s. He had more concrete evidence while relating with Arokins (historians).
At some point, Oranmiyan left Ife to Benin and to Oyo. Obalufon was there as caretaker.
Oranmiyans siblings all went different parts to have separate kingdoms. A priest that was Oduduwa's confidant was placed on throne.
So tell the world the descendant of Oduduwa that continued kingship because all Oranmiyan's kids were rulers in Oyo. He has three major sons. Owomika (Eweka), Ajakaiye (Ajaka) and Arabambi (Sango).
None succeeded their grandad's throne because their father had other kingdom(s).
If you doubt it, quite again and you will be given screenshot from Samuel Johnson's book.
Not here to disregarded Oni or Yorubas but history is sweet when it's out straight.

christistruth01:
.Why do you think Ooni is Ranked number 1 amongst all Oba of Yorubaland
Does Ooni look like an Abore to you in this Photo?



Why do you think no other Oba including Alaafin and Oba of Benin protested about the Ooni being given the number one spot?

christistruth01:
Ooni is Oduduwa's successor and is the defacto king of Yorubaland
The other Obas are the Autonomous Governors of Oduduwa's Yoruba Federation

If Ooni was a mere Shrine keeper he would not wear a Crown

Shikena:
Anybody can wear crown if recognised as leader of a specific community. The issue is recognition by the undisputed lineage of the real owner who settled at a separate place.

Oyos are descendants of Oranmiyan, nobody can dispute that, but only recognize Oonis as shrine keepers. The fact that I don't live in my father's own house does not make me and my descendants subjects of those left behind there. My lineage is a direct and undisputable continuation of my father's lineage. Oyos are subjects to no one and the king is in Oyo.

seunmsg:
So, can you mention the name of the Ooni that came after Oduduwa or at any time that was a shrine keeper?

seunmsg:
There is no shrine keeper in the lineage of Ooni of Ife. It’s an entirely false assumption. Before Oduduwa assumed the throne at Ife, Obatala was the leader of the 13 clans that made up Ile Ife. Oduduwa came in and waged war on Obatala to takeover the leadership. He thereafter established the Ooni dynasty.

After Oduduwa’s death, the descendants of Obatala took over the throne and not shrine keepers. Osangangan, Ogun, Obalufon, and Alayemore who reigned in quick succession were all from the Obatala lineage.

During Oduduwa’s reign, Bini people sent emissaries to request for his intervention in solving their leadership problem. He then sent Oranmiyan to Bini. When Oranmiyan left Bini, he did not go back directly to Ile Ife. He instead went northwards and established Oyo. Being a restless spirit, he left Oyo and eventually returned home. He got back to Ife during the reign of Obalufon Alayemore and waged a war against him just like Oduduwa did against Obatala. Alayemore ran away to somewhere in Ekiti now known as Efon Alaaye. Oranmiyan then ascended the throne and reigned as Ooni till he died. Upon his death, Alayemore returned to Ile Ife as Ooni. Till today, the Ooni of Ife stool is rotated between Oranmiyan and Obatala descendants. There is no lineage of shrine keeper in the Ooni dynasty.

Ojuntana:
This story does not make scientific nor probabilistic sense

seunmsg:
So, can you mention the name of the Ooni that came after Oduduwa or at any time that was a shrine keeper?

Ojuntana:
This story does not make scientific nor probabilistic sense

Shikena:
Not everyone agreed that Oduduwa was Ooni.

seunmsg:
Why do you think so? Oranmiyan was Oduduwa’s grandson and not his direct son. He was very young when he was sent to Bini by his grandfather. Those that ruled after Oduduwa did not last long on the throne. There is nothing improbable about the story.

seunmsg:
Fair enough. So, let’s start from Osangan Obamakin till date. Who among them was a shrine keeper?

Ojuntana:
This story does not make scientific nor probabilistic sense

When you're writing accounts of history, you have to apply scientific analysis and probability to your story else it becomes a fable. This story is easily one.

Firstly, consider the probability of an Oduduwa coming from nowhere to wage war on 13 established clan who have formed a kingdom. A kingdom by definition has a standing army. To wage war will imply that Oduduwa came with forces of his own. Now, imagine an all-conquering force moving from either the southern coast or the northern desert to Ife without having to fight a war or subsume the tribes and lands on their way until they got to Ife. It is impossible.

Secondly, imagine that the impossibility above happens which means Oduduwa is a settler and not an aborigine. In essence, he is building his own kingdom on that of the conquered Obatala. It is a fact of conquest that he will seek to establish his own people in all the nooks and cranny of his kingdom just like Dan Fodio did from Sokoto and being a militarised kingdom, expansion will be on their minds. There is no evidence of any empire at Ife. Ife has always been and still remain one with spiritual significance and not military or political prestige. Such prestige belongs to Oyo and Benin.

Thirdly, you're making an assumption that after Oduduwa’s death, his people simply frittered away and let Obatala come back without lifting a finger while at the same time, you claim his son was busy establishing other kingdoms. The only way there's a remote possibility of this is if Oranmiyan was presumed dead and his conquests unknown to the subjects of his father. If not, he'll be summoned almost immediately the Obatala clan attempt to retake the throne.

Fourthly, you mentioned three kings whom Oranmiyan essentially outlived till he found his way back to Ife and fought the fourth one to get back his preferred throne. See first point above again. Another invasion not recorded anywhere in history. What is the probability of an Oranmiyan who (if it is even remotely possible he outlived three kings in those times) is frail and aged having the wherewithal to wage war and conquer all over again. Such people like Oranmiyan hardly live long in those times because of the exposure to the elements in their travels and very crude medical expertise. Again, it is impossible for him to have outlived three kings and still have the strength to wage a war on the fourth one.

Lastly, the last line of the fable is the most ridiculous. Oranmiyan must either be very stupid or just does not really care for the throne to have died without ensuring a succession for a throne his father lost, he fought to regain and died on such that the deposed Alaaye still found his way back. Kingdoms are not established with such haphazardness.

More importantly, if Oranmiyan had enough knowledge of statecraft to establish two massive empires of Oyo and Benin, it makes no sense that the throne on which he died will fall so cheaply in the hands of his enemies.

Most importantly, how come he never even attempted unification of his conquered territories? That story is a fable.

Dindondin:
Relax. History of Yorubas by Rev Samuel Johnson was written in the 1800s. He had more concrete evidence while relating with Arokins (historians).
At some point, Oranmiyan left Ife to Benin and to Oyo. Obalufon was there as caretaker.
Oranmiyans siblings all went different parts to have separate kingdoms. A priest that was Oduduwa's confidant was placed on throne.
So tell the world the descendant of Oduduwa that continued kingship because all Oranmiyan's kids were rulers in Oyo. He has three major sons. Owomika (Eweka), Ajakaiye (Ajaka) and Arabambi (Sango).
None succeeded their grandad's throne because their father had other kingdom(s).
If you doubt it, quite again and you will be given screenshot from Samuel Johnson's book.
Not here to disregarded Oni or Yorubas but history is sweet when it's out straight.

Shikena:
Again, as far as Oyos are concerned the Oonis are shrine keepers. In fairness, the recent ones even dress like that. It is not derogatory, it just means they are spiritual leaders. Ife and Oyo were not the big towns that they are today, these were very small communities of people in those days. So across several generations, it's easy for a spiritual leader taking charge of community business to morph into the image of what we see as huge royalties today. If there is a royalty in Ife, Oyos would definitely know as they are direct bloodline. There is no way a warrior-king like Oranmiyan and his warrior children would not have ensured that.

Shikena:
Anybody can wear crown if recognised as leader of a specific community. The issue is recognition by the undisputed lineage of the real owner who settled at a separate place.

Oyos are descendants of Oranmiyan, nobody can dispute that, but only recognize Oonis as shrine keepers. The fact that I don't live in my father's own house does not make me and my descendants subjects of those left behind there. My lineage is a direct and undisputable continuation of my father's lineage. Oyos are subjects to no one and the king is in Oyo.

christistruth01:
Ooni is not Anybody

Only Ooni of Ife wears the Aare Crown
Which was exactly the same crown Odudiwa Wore

Ooni of Ife is the highest and founding king of Yorubaland

Rev Samuel Johnson who wrote the History of the Yorubas was a Great Grandson to Alaafin Abiodun

Bishop Ajayi Crowthers mother was also a daughter of Alaafin Abiodun

Everyone recognises Ooni

christistruth01:
Ooni is not Anybody

Only Ooni of Ife wears the Aare Crown
Which was exactly the same crown Odudiwa Wore

Ooni of Ife is the highest and founding king of Yorubaland

Rev Samuel Johnson who wrote the History of the Yorubas was a Great Grandson to Alaafin Abiodun

Bishop Ajayi Crowthers mother was also a daughter of Alaafin Abiodun

Everyone recognises Ooni

lagonovo:
Aare crown or any name you choose to give it is for the tiny confines of Ife and not the business of Modakeke or any other town so no one cares about that apart from today's Ife people. Alaafin wears the crown of Oranmiyan in Oyo and that is the only crown that matters in Oyo and that is the same crown that ruled the entire Oyo Empire with full authority and will continue to rule the people of Oyo.

Ooni of Ife is the title of the king of the people of the small town of Ife and that's where it ends.

christistruth01:
Ooni is not Anybody

Only Ooni of Ife wears the Aare Crown
Which was exactly the same crown Odudiwa Wore

Ooni of Ife is the highest and founding king of Yorubaland

Rev Samuel Johnson who wrote the History of the Yorubas was a Great Grandson to Alaafin Abiodun

Bishop Ajayi Crowthers mother was also a daughter of Alaafin Abiodun

When Ooni left his Palace in 1903 to go to Lagos on the request of the British Gov because of a Case between 2 Yoruba Kings Akarigbo and Elepe all the Yoruba kings including the Alaafin of Oyo left their Palaces for the entire Period Ooni was away because their father was outside his Palace


Such a king with that type of Authority and Recognition is not a Shrine keeper

Everyone recognises Ooni

christistruth01:
Ooni is Oduduwa's successor and is the defacto king of Yorubaland
The other Obas are the Autonomous Governors of Oduduwa's Yoruba Federation

If Ooni was a mere Shrine keeper he would not wear a Crown

christistruth01:
It is the Ooni of Ife who Crowns the Ogunsua of Modakeke

You messed up big time
Modakeke is my Hometown and Alaafin Atiba was my father's Great Great Grandfather through the Male Line