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sonmvayina:
When did Moses talk about a new law giver?

I will really like to know.

Thank you

The question to ask him is this: Did Jesus gave any Law/s as comprehensive as Moses?

And yes Moses talked about another Law Giver.

sonmvayina:
When did Moses talk about a new law giver?

I will really like to know.

Thank you

And he said, The Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.
-- Deuteronomy 33:2
KJV Holy Bible


The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
-- Genesis 49:10
KJV Holy Bible

Not Only Moses but Jacob too.

sonmvayina:
Messiah means anointed king...David and Solomon where messiah's..
About 3 million Jews heard God speak in the wilderness. I don't get you.
What can somebody create that would top that?
God gave them his laws and statues. He set them apart from other people.

Why would he send somebody again to change it? Does it make any sense to you?

Why would he change is mind?

So the Jews were expecting a king and law giver. Hence the coming of Jesus Christ is not an oddity.
You asked where Moses prophesied about another Lawgiver? I thought you know the bible.
Deuteronomy 18:15-22
Not only Moses, numerous prophets of 9ld testified of him.
Here are just a few of the old testament prophecies about Christ

The Old Testament contains numerous prophecies and references to Jesus Christ, often pointing to His mission as the Messiah. Below is a list of prophets who testified of Christ, along with examples of their prophecies:

1. Moses
Prophecy: Moses foretold that God would raise up a prophet like himself.
Reference: Deuteronomy 18:15, 18
"The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to him."
(This is often interpreted as a prophecy about Jesus.)

Isaiah
Prophecies: Isaiah provided detailed prophecies about the Messiah's birth, life, suffering, and mission.
Virgin birth: Isaiah 7:14
"The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel."
Suffering servant: Isaiah 53
"He was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities."
Light to the Gentiles: Isaiah 42:1-7
Jeremiah
Prophecy: Jeremiah spoke of a new covenant that would be fulfilled through Christ.
Reference: Jeremiah 31:31-34
"The days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah."
Micah
Prophecy: Micah foretold the birthplace of the Messiah.
Reference: Micah 5:2
"But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel."
Zechariah
Prophecies: Zechariah described the Messiah's triumphal entry into Jerusalem and His betrayal.
Triumphal entry: Zechariah 9:9
"See, your king comes to you, righteous and victorious, lowly and riding on a donkey."
Betrayal for 30 pieces of silver: Zechariah 11:12-13
The old testament supports Christ, the new testament supports Christ. The historians wrote about Christ. You should at least agree with someone.

You are the f00lish silly child.
You don't even know the full history of Flavius Josephus you mentioned.

This is what the Jews have in their Talmud that's even if you know the meaning of The Talmud:
"On the eve of Passover, they hanged Yeshu. And the herald went out before him for forty days, saying, 'He is going to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy. Anyone who knows anything in his favor, let him come and declare it.' But they did not find anything in his favor, and they hanged him on the eve of Passover."

"It was taught: Yeshu had five disciples, Matthai, Nakai, Nezer, Buni, and Todah. These are the names of the disciples of Yeshu who were hanged."

Go and learn how to do research first before coming here to discuss with intellectuals on this thread.

For now this is what your head is full of in the image:

tctrills:
Lol someone is afraid of the truth. I gave you pure historic facts but you gave me beer palour tales. Silly child.
Now even stronger evidence is the writing of his followers. Matthew, John, and Peter all eyewitnesses of the ministry of Jesus Christ. So you have the works of historians which I have presented to you and the stronger evidence of his witnesses. But what do you have, beer palour tales

Lukuluku69:
And he said, The Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.
-- Deuteronomy 33:2
KJV Holy Bible


The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
-- Genesis 49:10
KJV Holy Bible

Not Only Moses but Jacob too.

I don't know what you want me to see here...
Make it make sense...

Lukuluku69:
The question to ask him is this: Did Jesus gave any Law/s as comprehensive as Moses?

And yes Moses talked about another Law Giver.

Where when?
I would like to know..

sonmvayina:
I don't know what you want me to see here...
Make it make sense...

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You asked for where Moses talked about another Law Giver.

There you have It in the verses I posted.

He was not a Jew cos he called them synagogues of Satan - Rev 3:9;2:9. The impostors who took over the land after the original Hebrews of the land were sacked in 2Kings 17 called themselves Jews. They were not the true bloodline of Hebrews but impostors who began to learn the Hebrew Ways and laws. This is why they found it hard to understand his teachings which is quite different from the Jewish laws. He came to Restore the original Hebrews not Jewish Ways and laws which was lost a long time ago. Those he even came to seek were no longer their when he came but impostors who find it hard to understand the original Ways. This why they conspired with the Romans to kill him. The Jews were the ones who gave him up for the Romans to kill and thus the original ones who murdered him. So he is not a Jew. They began to call his ppl Jews but he made it known to all that the Jews were synagogues of Satan. Those he truly came to seek he called them lost or dispersed tribe of Israel. They were the true bloodline he sought. Jews and Romans conspired to create another story
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He is also not a Christian cos his teachings is far above Jewish and Christianity. Christians don't follow the laws and Jews only taught a photocopy of the laws. He is the law and came to teach them what was truly lost in it. That which they fail to know. His really followers were only assumed to be Christians. They were not and the Romans capitalize on that to create the religion.

Let me pause

Lukuluku69:
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You asked for where Moses talked about another Law Giver.

There you have It in the verses I posted.

Please underline the subject, object and predicate in the quote...

tctrills:
So the Jews were expecting a king and law giver. Hence the coming of Jesus Christ is not an oddity.
You asked where Moses prophesied about another Lawgiver? I thought you know the bible.
1.Deuteronomy 18:15-22
Not only Moses, numerous prophets of 9ld testified of him.
Here are just a few of the old testament prophecies about Christ[

This passage is talking about another leader when Moses dies. And the prophet in question was Joshua. Moses was addressing the people in front of him. Not people that will live 2000+ years into the future.

The Old Testament contains numerous prophecies and references to Jesus Christ, often pointing to His mission as the Messiah. Below is a list of prophets who testified of Christ, along with examples of their prophecies:

1. Moses
Prophecy: Moses foretold that God would raise up a prophet like himself.
Reference: Deuteronomy 18:15, 18
"The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to him."
(This is often interpreted as a prophecy about Jesus.)

Noooo, it is about Joshua. Who took after when Moses was no more.

2. Isaiah
Prophecies: Isaiah provided detailed prophecies about the Messiah's birth, life, suffering, and mission.
Virgin birth: Isaiah 7:14
"The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel."
Suffering servant: Isaiah 53
"He was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities."
Light to the Gentiles: Isaiah 42:1-7

No bro. See why it was easy to deceive you. You took a text out of context.
Isaiah 7:14 is a sign that God was giving to king Ahaz to assure him that his kingdom will withstand the threat of the northern kingdom and Syria who had formed an ally. It is not a messianic prophesy. It is about a war that was soon to happen. King Ahaz was scared that his blood line was going to end. So God sent Isaiah to tell him that whatever they are planning will not happen. For good measure, the son was Isaiah's son and the "Almah"(which means a young woman) is the prophetess.
Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant. And 8 times prior to 53, Isaiah told you who the servant was. See 41:4-8 and 45:1-7. The servant that is suffering is Israel. If you are good in English you will observe that the narrative is written in past tense. There is no death. The narrative ends with Jacob/ Israel making restitution in which case, he would see his offspring and God would prolong his days. No death, resurrection and ascension..The Hallmark of Christianity. The Jews are supposed to be the light to the nations.

3. Jeremiah
Prophecy: Jeremiah spoke of a new covenant that would be fulfilled through Christ.
Reference: Jeremiah 31:31-34
"The days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.

The new covenant of Jeremiah is the renewal of the Torah. The Torah was written on papyrus but this time the law is going to be written in their heart. It will make keeping it effortless" it is not some kind of "new law" But the only law at Sinai written in their heart.

4 Micah
Prophecy: Micah foretold the birthplace of the Messiah.
Reference: Micah 5:2
"But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel."

Yes, it is talking about a king who will rule Israel. The real Messiah who will usher in an era of world peace. That person is not Jesus as he was never a king, neither did he rule Israel. So clearly not him.

You are committing lots of fallacies.[/quote]

4 Zechariah
Prophecies: Zechariah described the Messiah's triumphal entry into Jerusalem and His betrayal.
Triumphal entry: Zechariah 9:9
"See, your king comes to you, righteous and victorious, lowly and riding on a donkey."
Betrayal for 30 pieces of silver: Zechariah 11:12-13

It is talking about à. King. Jesus was never a king. Reading the very next verse will confirm every doubt. Chapter 11:12-13 is talking about something entirely different. Learn to read things in context

The old testament supports Christ, the new testament supports Christ. The historians wrote about Christ. You should at least agree with someone.

There is absolutely no Jesus in the Tanakh if you read it well, how it is supposed to be read. You are the one trying to say what it is not saying...try again.

sonmvayina:
Please underline the subject, object and predicate in the quote...

It has been a while I left Grammar Class o.

Lol

But I will try to answer you in my next post.

sonmvayina:
This passage is talking about another leader when Moses dies. And the prophet in question was Joshua. Moses was addressing the people in front of him. Not people that will live 2000+ years into the future.

The Old Testament contains numerous prophecies and references to Jesus Christ, often pointing to His mission as the Messiah. Below is a list of prophets who testified of Christ, along with examples of their prophecies:

Noooo, it is about Joshua. Who took after when Moses was no more.


No bro. See why it was easy to deceive you. You took a text out of context.
Isaiah 7:14 is a sign that God was giving to king Ahaz to assure him that his kingdom will withstand the threat of the northern kingdom and Syria who had formed an ally. It is not a messianic prophesy. It is about a war that was soon to happen. King Ahaz was scared that his blood line was going to end. So God sent Isaiah to tell him that whatever they are planning will not happen. For good measure, the son was Isaiah's son and the "Almah"(which means a young woman) is the prophetess.
Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant. And 8 times prior to 53, Isaiah told you who the servant was. See 41:4-8 and 45:1-7. The servant that is suffering is Israel. If you are good in English you will observe that the narrative is written in past tense. There is no death. The narrative ends with Jacob/ Israel making restitution in which case, he would see his offspring and God would prolong his days. No death, resurrection and ascension..The Hallmark of Christianity. The Jews are supposed to be the light to the nations.



The new covenant of Jeremiah is the renewal of the Torah. The Torah was written on papyrus but this time the law is going to be written in their heart. It will make keeping it effortless" it is not some kind of "new law" But the only law at Sinai written in their heart.
Yes, it is talking about a king who will rule Israel. The real Messiah who will usher in an era of world peace. That person is not Jesus as he was never a king, neither did he rule Israel. So clearly not him.

You are committing lots of fallacies.
4 Zechariah
Prophecies: Zechariah described the Messiah's triumphal entry into Jerusalem and His betrayal.
Triumphal entry: Zechariah 9:9
"See, your king comes to you, righteous and victorious, lowly and riding on a donkey."
Betrayal for 30 pieces of silver: Zechariah 11:12-13
It is talking about à. King. Jesus was never a king. Reading the very next verse will confirm every doubt. Chapter 11:12-13 is talking about something entirely different. Learn to read things in context
The old testament supports Christ, the new testament supports Christ. The historians wrote about Christ. You should at least agree with someone.


There is absolutely no Jesus in the Tanakh if you read it well, how it is supposed to be read. You are the one trying to say what it is not saying...try again.

Only one question, prove that the prophet Moses spoke about was Joshua and not Jesus? Go ahead, prove it.

MindHacker9009:
You are the f00lish silly child.
You don't even know the full history of Flavius Josephus you mentioned.

This is what the Jews have in their Talmud that's even if you know the meaning of The Talmud:
"On the eve of Passover, they hanged Yeshu. And the herald went out before him for forty days, saying, 'He is going to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy. Anyone who knows anything in his favor, let him come and declare it.' But they did not find anything in his favor, and they hanged him on the eve of Passover."

"It was taught: Yeshu had five disciples, Matthai, Nakai, Nezer, Buni, and Todah. These are the names of the disciples of Yeshu who were hanged."

Go and learn how to do research first before coming here to discuss with intellectuals on this thread.

For now this is what your head is full of in the image:

Oga point to the words of any historian and stop your beer talk. I am tired of hearing your opinion back it up child

sonmvayina:
The Old Testament contains numerous prophecies and references to Jesus Christ, often pointing to His mission as the Messiah. Below is a list of prophets who testified of Christ, along with examples of their prophecies:

Noooo, it is about Joshua. Who took after when Moses was no more.


No bro. See why it was easy to deceive you. You took a text out of context.
Isaiah 7:14 is a sign that God was giving to king Ahaz to assure him that his kingdom will withstand the threat of the northern kingdom and Syria who had formed an ally. It is not a messianic prophesy. It is about a war that was soon to happen. King Ahaz was scared that his blood line was going to end. So God sent Isaiah to tell him that whatever they are planning will not happen. For good measure, the son was Isaiah's son and the "Almah"(which means a young woman) is the prophetess.
Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant. And 8 times prior to 53, Isaiah told you who the servant was. See 41:4-8 and 45:1-7. The servant that is suffering is Israel. If you are good in English you will observe that the narrative is written in past tense. There is no death. The narrative ends with Jacob/ Israel making restitution in which case, he would see his offspring and God would prolong his days. No death, resurrection and ascension..The Hallmark of Christianity. The Jews are supposed to be the light to the nations.



The new covenant of Jeremiah is the renewal of the Torah. The Torah was written on papyrus but this time the law is going to be written in their heart. It will make keeping it effortless" it is not some kind of "new law" But the only law at Sinai written in their heart.
Yes, it is talking about a king who will rule Israel. The real Messiah who will usher in an era of world peace. That person is not Jesus as he was never a king, neither did he rule Israel. So clearly not him.

You are committing lots of fallacies.
4 Zechariah
Prophecies: Zechariah described the Messiah's triumphal entry into Jerusalem and His betrayal.
Triumphal entry: Zechariah 9:9
"See, your king comes to you, righteous and victorious, lowly and riding on a donkey."
Betrayal for 30 pieces of silver: Zechariah 11:12-13
It is talking about à. King. Jesus was never a king. Reading the very next verse will confirm every doubt. Chapter 11:12-13 is talking about something entirely different. Learn to read things in context
The old testament supports Christ, the new testament supports Christ. The historians wrote about Christ. You should at least agree with someone.


There is absolutely no Jesus in the Tanakh if you read it well, how it is supposed to be read. You are the one trying to say what it is not saying...try again.

You only repeated your words without providing prove. You claim that the passage is talking about another leader when Moses dies. And the prophet in question was Joshua. Moses was addressing the people in front of him. Not people that will live 2000+ years into the future.
And I am asking you to provide evidence to back your statement. Moses did not mention Joshua's name and he never spoke of the time the next law giver will come so oga provide evidence?

tctrills:
You only repeated your words without providing prove. You claim that the passage is talking about another leader when Moses dies. And the prophet in question was Joshua. Moses was addressing the people in front of him. Not people that will live 2000+ years into the future.
And I am asking you to provide evidence to back your statement. Moses did not mention Joshua's name and he never spoke of the time the next law giver will come so oga provide evidence?

It is simple.
Moses told them. That is the people in front of him that God will raise someone from amongst them. And they should listen to the person as they listen to him.
So when Moses passed, who did God raise up for them? If not Joshua...it is simple deduction.

tctrills:
Only one question, prove that the prophet Moses spoke about was Joshua and not Jesus? Go ahead, prove it.

Who was Moses talking to?
Who did God raise up after Moses..

It is simple deduction...

sonmvayina:
Who was Moses talking to?
Who did God raise up after Moses..

It is simple deduction...

You realize this is not a prove right?
Now to your questions. He was talking to the children of Israel about Jesus Christ.
God raised Joshua after Moses but the verses were not talking about Joshua it was a prophecy of Jesus Christ. Now could you do us the honors of providing prove that Moses was referring to Joshua the man who came immediately after him and not Christ who came a few thousand years later. Go ahead prove. The floor is yours.

sonmvayina:
It is simple.
Moses told them. That is the people in front of him that God will raise someone from amongst them. And they should listen to the person as they listen to him.
So when Moses passed, who did God raise up for them? If not Joshua...it is simple deduction.

But God raised several prophets among them so what prove do you have that it was Joshua in particular and not Jesus Christ who came thousands of years after?
Was Joshua a prophet like unto Moses? And in what ways?
Verse 21 and 22 talks about how the children of Israel will identify the prophet. Please mention some of the prophecies of Joshua.

Now let's not forget Isaiah that prophecies about the birth of Christ.
Isaiah 7:14 – "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel."
More from isaiah
Isaiah 9.6-7
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Was this also about Joshua??

tctrills:
But God raised several prophets among them so what prove do you have that it was Joshua in particular and not Jesus Christ who came thousands of years after?
Was Joshua a prophet like unto Moses? And in what ways?
Verse 21 and 22 talks about how the children of Israel will identify the prophet. Please mention some of the prophecies of Joshua.

Now let's not forget Isaiah that prophecies about the birth of Christ.
Isaiah 7:14 – "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel."
More from isaiah
Isaiah 9.6-7
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Was this also about Joshua??

Moses was talking to people in front of him..

It is not rocket science. Was Jesus amongst the people Moses was talking to?

It is simple logic.
Read the book of Joshua to find out.
A prophet is somebody who tells the truth. Not somebody who tells the future..
Isaiah never said a virgin in 7:14. He said "Almah" which means a young woman. It was a reference to his young wife. Immanuel is Isaiah's second son. But Isaiah and his sons where for signs and potents for the children of Israel see Isaiah 8:18.
Isaiah 9:6 is about a son that has already been born. Not will be born. The child was already 6 years old when Isaiah said or wrote those words. He was referring to future king Hezekiah..please learn to understand what you are reading...and wisdom to understand it..

tctrills:
You realize this is not a prove right?
Now to your questions. He was talking to the children of Israel about Jesus Christ.
God raised Joshua after Moses but the verses were not talking about Joshua it was a prophecy of Jesus Christ. Now could you do us the honors of providing prove that Moses was referring to Joshua the man who came immediately after him and not Christ who came a few thousand years later. Go ahead prove. The floor is yours.

Read the verses surrounding it for better understanding...
Then come here .
Start from 10 to 20.

Kingsempires:
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I said it before in a previous thread. That for 400+ years, serapis was the Christ..

bobestman:
He was not a Jew cos he called them synagogues of Satan - Rev 3:9;2:9. The impostors who took over the land after the original Hebrews of the land were sacked in 2Kings 17 called themselves Jews. They were not the true bloodline of Hebrews but impostors who began to learn the Hebrew Ways and laws. This is why they found it hard to understand his teachings which is quite different from the Jewish laws. He came to Restore the original Hebrews not Jewish Ways and laws which was lost a long time ago. Those he even came to seek were no longer their when he came but impostors who find it hard to understand the original Ways. This why they conspired with the Romans to kill him. The Jews were the ones who gave him up for the Romans to kill and thus the original ones who murdered him. So he is not a Jew. They began to call his ppl Jews but he made it known to all that the Jews were synagogues of Satan. Those he truly came to seek he called them lost or dispersed tribe of Israel. They were the true bloodline he sought. Jews and Romans conspired to create another story
.
He is also not a Christian cos his teachings is far above Jewish and Christianity. Christians don't follow the laws and Jews only taught a photocopy of the laws. He is the law and came to teach them what was truly lost in it. That which they fail to know. His really followers were only assumed to be Christians. They were not and the Romans capitalize on that to create the religion.

Let me pause

You are assuming that Jesus was a real historical figure?

In my poser, I only assumed that the gospels are real stories...

sonmvayina:
Read the verses surrounding it for better understanding...
Then come here .
Start from 10 to 20.

I understand it very well just prove it was speaking about Joshua. If you need the surrounding verses to prove it, you are welcome to do so. For now, I will be your students asking you the questions. Go ahead start providing evidence

sonmvayina:
Moses was talking to people in front of him..

It is not rocket science. Was Jesus amongst the people Moses was talking to?

It is simple logic.
Read the book of Joshua to find out.
A prophet is somebody who tells the truth. Not somebody who tells the future..
Isaiah never said a virgin in 7:14. He said "Almah" which means a young woman. It was a reference to his young wife. Immanuel is Isaiah's second son. But Isaiah and his sons where for signs and potents for the children of Israel see Isaiah 8:18.
Isaiah 9:6 is about a son that has already been born. Not will be born. The child was already 6 years old when Isaiah said or wrote those words. He was referring to future king Hezekiah..please learn to understand what you are reading...and wisdom to understand it..

Moses was talking to the Jews. It never mentioned the time the prophecy was going to take place.
He simply told the Jews that one will be raised among them like unto him. Jesus Christ perfectly fits the description.
You also claim that Isaiah was referring to a 6 years old child as and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.
You claim that in the days of Isaiah, there was a 6 years old child who was the mighty God, and who sat on the throne of David and there was no end to the increase of his government and who sat on the throne forever?
Please tell me more about this 6 years old boy. Because we all know that no one in the time of Isaiah fits this description.

tctrills:
Oga point to the words of any historian and stop your beer talk. I am tired of hearing your opinion back it up child

You are still a child that's why you are still promoting such a fictional story you are using to deceive the gullible ones, well one day the gullible ones will know it was a made up story and will be set free from indirectly worshipping Serapis thinking they are worshipping The God of the Jews.

The Historia Augusta in the late fourth century AD: (about the time of Theodosius, when the Temple of Serapis was destroyed). Hadrian is purported to have addressed a letter from Egypt to his elderly brother-in-law Servianus, who was Roman consul in AD 134 (by which time Hadrian himself was back in Rome). In Alexandria, he relates: "There those who worship Serapis are, in fact, Christians, and those who call themselves bishops of Christ are, in fact, devotees of Serapis" (The Four Tyrants, VIII.1).

MindHacker9009:
You are still a child that's why you are still promoting such a fictional story you are using to deceive the gullible ones, well one day the gullible ones will know it was a made up story and will be set free from indirectly worshipping Serapis thinking they are worshipping The God of the Jews.

The Historia Augusta in the late fourth century AD: (about the time of Theodosius, when the Temple of Serapis was destroyed). Hadrian is purported to have addressed a letter from Egypt to his elderly brother-in-law Servianus, who was Roman consul in AD 134 (by which time Hadrian himself was back in Rome). In Alexandria, he relates: "There those who worship Serapis are, in fact, Christians, and those who call themselves bishops of Christ are, in fact, devotees of Serapis" (The Four Tyrants, VIII.1).

Now learn
The letter attributed to Emperor Hadrian to his brother-in-law Servianus is often cited in discussions of religious syncretism in the Roman Empire, particularly regarding the relationship between early Christianity and the cult of Serapis in Egypt. However, the authenticity of this letter is debated among scholars.

Context of the Letter
Authenticity and Source Issues
The letter appears in Historia Augusta (The Four Tyrants, VIII.1), a late 4th-century work with a reputation for being unreliable. Many of its documents and speeches are considered fabrications.
The lack of corroborating evidence from contemporary sources raises doubts about whether Hadrian actually wrote this letter.
Some scholars believe the passage may reflect later Christian polemics or an attempt to exaggerate the confusion between Christianity and pagan religions.

So the best you can do is to present a false letter.
Now that I have knocked this into the trash, can you now present real evidence. Just present the records of any historian who agrees with your nonsense. Shame on you Mr Nobody

The letter in question, often attributed to Roman Emperor Hadrian, appears in various ancient sources, including Historia Augusta (a 4th-century compilation) and later Christian writings. The general practice of the Roman Empire involved preserving imperial correspondence, especially when it pertained to significant matters, such as religious policy.

Some historical accounts suggest that Constantine's army included Christian soldiers and even a Christian legion. There are stories about Constantine having Christian symbols on his soldiers' shields during battles, including the famous "In hoc signo vinces" (In this sign, you will conquer) vision.
So these are the same Christians that were being persecuted in Rome.

You are the Mr Nobody and shame on you.

tctrills:
Now learn
The letter attributed to Emperor Hadrian to his brother-in-law Servianus is often cited in discussions of religious syncretism in the Roman Empire, particularly regarding the relationship between early Christianity and the cult of Serapis in Egypt. However, the authenticity of this letter is debated among scholars.

Context of the Letter
Authenticity and Source Issues
The letter appears in Historia Augusta (The Four Tyrants, VIII.1), a late 4th-century work with a reputation for being unreliable. Many of its documents and speeches are considered fabrications.
The lack of corroborating evidence from contemporary sources raises doubts about whether Hadrian actually wrote this letter.
Some scholars believe the passage may reflect later Christian polemics or an attempt to exaggerate the confusion between Christianity and pagan religions.

So the best you can do is to present a false letter.
Now that I have knocked this into the trash, can you now present real evidence. Just present the records of any historian who agrees with your nonsense. Shame on you Mr Nobody

MindHacker9009:
The letter in question, often attributed to Roman Emperor Hadrian, appears in various ancient sources, including Historia Augusta (a 4th-century compilation) and later Christian writings. The general practice of the Roman Empire involved preserving imperial correspondence, especially when it pertained to significant matters, such as religious policy.

Some historical accounts suggest that Constantine's army included Christian soldiers and even a Christian legion. There are stories about Constantine having Christian symbols on his soldiers' shields during battles, including the famous "In hoc signo vinces" (In this sign, you will conquer) vision.
So these are the same Christians that were being persecuted in Rome.

You are the Mr Nobody and shame on you.

Think about what you just did for a minute, you present a letter that most historians believe to be false as your strongest argument against Christianity. That just tells you how weak the ground you are standing on.
On the other hand, you have the writings of John, Peter, and Matthew who saw Jesus. You also have the works of Paul an early convert and the works of several historians I mentioned.
Be honest with yourself my child, you have nothing.
Mr Nobody.

Historians supporting the invention of Jesus Christ are the ones saying Historia Augusta's collections are fake.
The passage where Flavius Josephus mentioned Jesus Christ is also viewed by Historians as fake because of its overtly Christian tone, which seems out of place in Josephus' Jewish context.

The following historians have argued in favor of the reliability of the Historia Augusta collections:
Anthony Birley (1937–2020) - Suggested the earlier biographies were based on authentic sources, such as the now-lost works of Marius Maximus.
Hermann Peter (1837–1914) - Suggested a composition date of 330 AD and believed the work was closer to the events it describes.
Arnaldo Momigliano (1908–1987) - Critiqued the late 4th-century single-author theory and argued for an earlier date, attributing anachronisms to later edits.
A. H. M. Jones (1904–1970) - Expressed skepticism about the idea of a single forger, leaving open the possibility of authentic earlier sources.
Alan Cameron (1938–2017) - Argued for a composition timeframe between 361 and the 380s, rather than the late 4th century.

Also this:
Some historical accounts suggest that Constantine's army included Christian soldiers and even a Christian legion. There are stories about Constantine having Christian symbols on his soldiers' shields during battles, including the famous "In hoc signo vinces" (In this sign, you will conquer) vision.
So these are the same Christians that were being persecuted in Rome.

Paul the Apostle's ministry likely spanned from approximately AD 34 to AD 67 but Paul did not mention about Christians in Rome being persecuted in AD 64.

This is what the Jews have in their Talmud that's even if you know the meaning of The Talmud:
"On the eve of Passover, they hanged Yeshu. And the herald went out before him for forty days, saying, 'He is going to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy. Anyone who knows anything in his favor, let him come and declare it.' But they did not find anything in his favor, and they hanged him on the eve of Passover."

"It was taught: Yeshu had five disciples, Matthai, Nakai, Nezer, Buni, and Todah. These are the names of the disciples of Yeshu who were hanged."

You are the child here that cannot think by yourself and believing a storybook character of the New Testament is real.

You are the Mr Nobody.

tctrills:
Think about what you just did for a minute, you present a letter that most historians believe to be false as your strongest argument against Christianity. That just tells you how weak the ground you are standing on.
On the other hand, you have the writings of John, Peter, and Matthew who saw Jesus. You also have the works of Paul an early convert and the works of several historians I mentioned.
Be honest with yourself my child, you have nothing.
Mr Nobody.

MindHacker9009:
Historians supporting the invention of Jesus Christ are the ones saying Historia Augusta's collections are fake.
The passage where Flavius Josephus mentioned Jesus Christ is also viewed by Historians as fake because of its overtly Christian tone, which seems out of place in Josephus' Jewish context.

The following historians have argued in favor of the reliability of the Historia Augusta collections:
Anthony Birley (1937–2020) - Suggested the earlier biographies were based on authentic sources, such as the now-lost works of Marius Maximus.
Hermann Peter (1837–1914) - Suggested a composition date of 330 AD and believed the work was closer to the events it describes.
Arnaldo Momigliano (1908–1987) - Critiqued the late 4th-century single-author theory and argued for an earlier date, attributing anachronisms to later edits.
A. H. M. Jones (1904–1970) - Expressed skepticism about the idea of a single forger, leaving open the possibility of authentic earlier sources.
Alan Cameron (1938–2017) - Argued for a composition timeframe between 361 and the 380s, rather than the late 4th century.

Also this:
Some historical accounts suggest that Constantine's army included Christian soldiers and even a Christian legion. There are stories about Constantine having Christian symbols on his soldiers' shields during battles, including the famous "In hoc signo vinces" (In this sign, you will conquer) vision.
So these are the same Christians that were being persecuted in Rome.

Paul the Apostle's ministry likely spanned from approximately AD 34 to AD 67 but Paul did not mention about Christians in Rome being persecuted in AD 64.

This is what the Jews have in their Talmud that's even if you know the meaning of The Talmud:
"On the eve of Passover, they hanged Yeshu. And the herald went out before him for forty days, saying, 'He is going to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy. Anyone who knows anything in his favor, let him come and declare it.' But they did not find anything in his favor, and they hanged him on the eve of Passover."

"It was taught: Yeshu had five disciples, Matthai, Nakai, Nezer, Buni, and Todah. These are the names of the disciples of Yeshu who were hanged."

You are the child here that cannot think by yourself and believing a storybook character of the New Testament is real.

You are the Mr Nobody.

Lool now our Mr Nobody is claiming to be better than acclaimed historians. My boy, life isn't always what you want it to be.
Please look for an accepted historian who backs your position and stop using unconfirmed letters.
I provided concrete and proven writings try to do the same.

Again see how confused you are, we were not debating Historia Augusta collections but just this one letter. Stop confusing yourself kid


Hadrian is purported to have addressed a letter from Egypt to his elderly brother-in-law Servianus, who was Roman consul in AD 134 (by which time Hadrian himself was back in Rome). In Alexandria, he relates: "There those who worship Serapis are, in fact, Christians, and those who call themselves bishops of Christ are, in fact, devotees of Serapis" (The Four Tyrants, VIII.1).
ChatGPT said:
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The letter attributed to Emperor Hadrian to his brother-in-law Servianus is often cited in discussions of religious syncretism in the Roman Empire, particularly regarding the relationship between early Christianity and the cult of Serapis in Egypt. However, the authenticity of this letter is debated among scholars.

Context of the Letter
Hadrian (ruled AD 117–138) allegedly wrote this letter from Egypt, commenting on the religious landscape of Alexandria. He noted that many people who worshiped Serapis (an Egyptian-Greek deity associated with the afterlife and healing) were also identified as Christians, and that Christian bishops were, in reality, devotees of Serapis. This suggests a level of religious blending or confusion in the early 2nd century, possibly due to the widespread syncretism in Alexandria, where religious identities were fluid.

Serapis and Christianity in Alexandria
Serapis was a Greco-Egyptian deity introduced by the Ptolemies in the 3rd century BC, combining aspects of Osiris, Zeus, and Hades.
Christianity was still developing in Egypt during Hadrian's reign, and its relationship with local religious traditions was complex.
Alexandria was known for its diverse and sometimes volatile religious environment, with tensions between different sects, including Jews, Christians, and traditional Greco-Roman worshipers.
Authenticity and Source Issues
The letter appears in Historia Augusta (The Four Tyrants, VIII.1), a late 4th-century work with a reputation for being unreliable. Many of its documents and speeches are considered fabrications.
The lack of corroborating evidence from contemporary sources raises doubts about whether Hadrian actually wrote this letter.
Some scholars believe the passage may reflect later Christian polemics or an attempt to exaggerate the confusion between Christianity and pagan religions.
Possible Interpretations
Religious Syncretism: Early Christians in Alexandria may have used language or rituals similar to those of Serapis worshipers, leading to confusion.
Imperial Criticism: Hadrian, known for his interest in religious matters, might have been commenting on the political or social ambiguity of religious identities in Alexandria.
Forgery or Exaggeration: The letter may have been fabricated or altered in the later Roman period to serve a particular narrative about early Christianity.
Conclusion
While the letter is intriguing and suggests an overlap between Christianity and the Serapis cult, its authenticity remains uncertain. It is best understood as a reflection of the religious complexities of 2nd-century Alexandria rather than direct historical evidence of early Christian practices.




The letter attributed to Emperor Hadrian (ruled AD 117–138) regarding religious conditions in Alexandria, specifically mentioning Serapis worshipers and Christians, is widely regarded as dubious or outright fraudulent by modern scholars.

Reasons for Doubt
It Appears in the Unreliable Historia Augusta

The letter is found in The Four Tyrants (VIII.1), part of the Historia Augusta, a late 4th-century Roman text known for its highly unreliable and often fictionalized content.
Many of the letters and speeches included in the Historia Augusta are believed to be forgeries or later fabrications.
Lack of Contemporary Evidence

No other Roman historians (such as Cassius Dio, Suetonius, or Tacitus) mention this letter, despite documenting Hadrian's reign.
No copies of the letter exist outside the Historia Augusta, making it impossible to verify its authenticity.
Inconsistencies in Content

The claim that Christian bishops were "devotees of Serapis" seems exaggerated and unlikely, considering Christianity’s growing distinctiveness from pagan religions in the 2nd century.
While religious syncretism was common in Alexandria, there is no strong evidence that Christians worshiped Serapis.
Hadrian was an intelligent and well-traveled emperor, making it unlikely that he would conflate the two religions so simplistically.
Possible Explanations
Forgery by Later Writers: The letter may have been fabricated in the 4th century, when Christian authors sought to highlight early misunderstandings about their faith.
Political Satire: It could be a satirical critique of Alexandria’s chaotic religious scene, rather than an authentic document from Hadrian.
Exaggeration Based on Real Events: While Alexandria was religiously diverse and occasionally violent, the letter may dramatize tensions rather than accurately describe them.
Conclusion
The majority of modern historians consider Hadrian’s letter to Servianus as inauthentic, likely a later invention rather than a genuine imperial document. However, it still provides insight into how later Roman writers viewed the religious diversity and tensions of early Christianity.