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danvon:
There was nothing to foil because if A & B did their jobs correctly, Aguiyi Ironsi would have been either dead or he would be alive and would be isolated in such a way that he would not know a coup is happening until it's too late, the fact that he was alive and was informed enough to launch his own coup, meant that A & B failed.

You don't plot a coup by keeping the most senior military officer alive and active...

Unless he is on your side (that is also risky considering you have nothing to offer him, since he already controls the army and has money and prestige) , he must be on your side and must be the leader of the coup.

OkCornel:
So… are you saying Ironsi and Ojukwu were complicit in the January 1966 coup plot?

danvon:
You need to understand that when a coup is in motion, the people who try to stop the coup would usually employ the same language, tactics and strategy used by the actual coup plotters, the effect is that those who try to stop the coup would appear as coup plotters themselves, no matter how legitimate their authority is.

The only way to tell the difference between coup plotters and those foiling a coup is to see if they return power to the pre coup structure.

Instead, Aguiyi Ironsi became a dictator and Ojukwu became a military governor, there was no sign that they had any intention of handing power back to the pre-coup structure, Ojukwu notably called Michael Okpara the 'old brigade'.

Long story short, it was a coup within a coup.

OkCornel:
Nwafor Orizu is the one at fault. He “voluntarily” handed over power to his fellow tribesman Ironsi without consulting the cabinet.

In light of the failed coup, Dipcharima from Borno state was the next in command to take over as the prime minister.

danvon:
Aguiyi Ironsi accepted it didn't he? He didn't call Dipcharima to work with him, Aguiyi Ironsi didn't consult with any politician in his decisions, he snubbed Aminu Kano and preferred to communicate with Emir of Kano instead.

OkCornel:
If Nwafor didn’t sell out on the altar of tribalism how will Ironsi be in a position to accept what was never offered?

Nwafor is the scapegoat here.

One thing comes before the other. We cannot fast forward to Ironsi while overlooking Nwafor the sell out.

danvon:
I would say that the fact that Nwafor was placed in that situation, where a single man would have the power over a democracy was already the sign of a successful coup.

Mind you at this point Tafawa Balewa death wasn't confirmed

OkCornel:
Please shed more light on this.

OkCornel:
Uncertain they had foreknowledge of the coup.

Who arrested the coup plotters?

As for Aguiyi Ironsi, he really messed up by being tribal with the whole stuff. An immediate execution of the coup plotters would have placated the Northern officers to an extent.

DMerciful:
There is nothing like collective punishment. The coup plotters were long dead before most Easterners were born. They were soldiers and had zero vote to represent anybody.

Why should people who knew nothing about the military take responsibility for military actions?

Even if we wanted to stop them, we do not have the power. There is absolutely no reason to hold the generality of Igbos accountable for action of few military officers

OkayDaddy:
Why did Ironsi, an Igbo man move the Igbo Coup splitters to Imo in the Eastern Region and refuse to try them for 6 good months?

danvon:
I would say that the fact that Nwafor was placed in that situation, where a single man would have the power over a democracy was already the sign of a successful coup.

Mind you at this point Tafawa Balewa death wasn't confirmed

OkCornel:
Which still brings us to the Nwafor matter. There can’t be a power vacuum because Balewa went missing. Someone had to act as the prime minister. However Nwafor the sellout went rogue and announced handing over power to Ironsi.

danvon:
Nwafor was surrounded by the army, he either had a choice to surrender power to the deadly army or surrender power to the Northern leaders he had spent a whole year fighting against and felt no loyalty to. The choice was simple.

If Aguiyi Ironsi was sincere then he should have never given Nwafor that position.

DMerciful:
The officers might be sympathetic to Igbo leaders or someone failed to carryout his mission however they acted on their own.

Saying its an Igbo coup holds the entire Igbos responsible. This would have been the case if they were voted for and given mandate.

aswani:
It was leaked to Zik, I wonder why?

DMerciful:
All Nigerians supported the coup at first until BBC twisted it to an Igbo coup. Again, the specific officers acted on their own, they had zero votes and are dead.

Godwin4444:
BBC twisted it to an Igbo coup n everyone else was foolish to believe it's really an Igbo coup?

U Igbos will keep creating more problems for your self if u can say sorry n move on, twisting history can't change facts

Streetinvestor2:
Why bother on something that happened in 1967 when you whr not born.How is what happened in 1967 making TPain incompetent,SW president and spreading hunger and corruption.
The interest of SE is to play the SW game.The SE will align with north to remove SW president who was never southern president.
Are you seeing the whole reason of all these 1967 balablu is for political gain to the SW.They want to create the usual enermity btw the igbos and north for thr political and economical survival.

It has failed. The only important thing is the future and not the past.The SW frog eye president must be remove before this country turns to nation of SW nation

@ bolded........... you don't need to manufacture an excuse to lick fulani backside. No be today, una dey align with the fulani north. Inspite of how they slaughter your silly ars.e.s in 1945 and '53, you still found some ridiculous reasons to align with the fulanis, in 1960 where your american trained doctor (Zik) was kowtowing to a mere grade II fulani man- Tafawa Balewa.

You repeated the same feat in the second republic - this was after the civil war where the fulani north killed millions of you igbos and were hell-bent on extermin ating your race like vermins, you still aligned with the same north where another american-trained Dr. ekweume was busy licking the backside of another fulani grade II, teacher - Shehu Shagari. You guys sure posses an unfathomable preference for fulani's behind, sha.

So, in short, you don't need to proffer any excuse to lick their (Fulanis') behind. At the end of it all, the most you will get is the VP post.
Your "pandora" Obi will n ever be presydiot of Nigeria.

DMerciful:
So you can punish the Kanuri people for Abacha sins?

You think the reprisals attacks were because of songs? What about the killings of the 40s and 50s of Igbos in the North? You're naive

mrvitalis:
So you know the aim of the coup?

What was operation wetie n it's relationship to the coup sir

T9ksy:
@ bolded........... you don't need to manufacture an excuse to lick fulani backside. No be today, una dey align with the fulani north. Inspite of how they slaughter your silly ars.e.s in 1945 and '53, you still found some ridiculous reasons to align with the fulanis, in 1960 where your american trained doctor (Zik) was kowtowing to a mere grade II fulani man- Tafawa Balewa.

You repeated the same feat in the second republic - this was after the civil war where the fulani north killed millions of you igbos and were hell-bent on extermin ating your race like vermins, you still aligned with the same north where another american-trained Dr. ekweume was busy licking the backside of another fulani grade II, teacher - Shehu Shagari. You guys sure posses an unfathomable preference for fulani's behind, sha.

So, in short, you don't need to proffer any excuse to lick their (Fulanis') behind. At the end of it all, the most you will get is the VP post.
Your "pandora" Obi will n ever be presydiot of Nigeria.

DMerciful:
All Nigerians supported the coup at first until BBC twisted it to an Igbo coup. Again, the specific officers acted on their own, they had zero votes and are dead.

OkCornel:
At the bolded, one can only make speculations.
Ojukwu and Ironsi foiled the coup, according to historical accounts.

Deadlytruth:
The only condition by which Ojukwu and Ironsi could have been said to have truly foiled the coup is if they had returned power to the civilians after stopping Ifeajuna and co.
Normally a military coup in a democracy ends up replacing that democracy with military rule. Ironsi s intervention ended up having exactly the same result (military takeover) as Nzeogwu/Ifeajuna coup would have had. So what difference did Ironsi's intervention really make?

To claim Ironsi foiled the coup is not logical at all. For illustration purpose, assume that armed robber A robbed you of some money and ran away but on his way he met armed robber B who robbed him too of the money and ran away too. Then you the overall loser begin to applaud armed robber B for foiling armed robber A's robbery attack on you when in actual fact that armed robber B did not return the money to you after taking it from armed robber A. Does that make sense?

Streetinvestor2:
In all the rubbish you wrote. How is that our present problem. If we don't align with north. Who should we align with .Tell me what the SW has ever achieved without the North..
The SE will always be better with the north in everything. You that your biggest interest now is to take over igbo properties in lagos...criminals.
Can the SW alone make TPain president.Is it not the north that made him president. The only history the SW remembers is the one to create enemity btw SE and north.
Tell us the history whr the SW has achieved anything both political and economical without alignment with the north.

Omo, why all these lamentations, na? Am not asking you lot to align with the Sw (not that you have ever aligned with the Sw, anyway) or not to align with the north, which you have always done, since the inception of this warped union, am just reminding you all that, the most you will get at the end of it all, is a flippin' VP position.

You guys sure have an unhealthy penchant for fulanis' backside, sha. . They must have smeared it with honey "cause no matter how despicable they treat una, you will still run back to sniff their backside at the slightest opportunity you get or else, you manufacture one.

Yet, you guys will be the ones quick off the mark, to point your cursed fingers at others, calling them, "fulani slaves whilst in actual fact, you are the quintessential fulani lap-dogs!

OkCornel:
For the records.

1) Ironsi wasn’t part of the coup plotters.
2) Ironsi warned Wada and Balewa of an impending coup. Those in power did not act on that intelligence report.
3) Ironsi crushed the coup and jailed the coup plotters.
4) The Senate President and Acting President - Nwafor Orizu “voluntarily” handed over power to Aguiyi Ironsi, rather than the Zanna Dipcharima who was nominated to replace Balewa.


My only faults with Ironsi are

1) Why did he not execute the coup plotters for mutiny/treason?

2) Why did he constitute a SMC without Northerners or Westerners?

3) Why did he bring up that useless unification decree?


He wasn’t a coup plotter. He warned those in power about an impending coup and he crushed the coup.

He was also a target in the coup.

I’ve attached the screenshots for your viewing pleasure.

Cc: Danvon