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So I have finished Genesis and I started Exodus today. I'm at the point where God called Moses from the burning bush.

I'm wondering: couldn't the Israelites have fought back against the Egyptians when Pharoah started his painful laws?

I mean, he actually gave an order for the male babies to be killed! Shouldn't that have been enough for the Hebrews to stand up and be like "This is the last straw" and fight back?

Scripture said they had a massive population, and the Egyptians were even scared of them. Pharoah was scared that if there was a war, and they sided with their enemies, they could take over the country.

Shouldn't they have used it to their advantage, especially after Pharoah began killing their male children?

They were not organized...

They were like in jail

Same thing why they are killing Arabs anyhow when is time is time you can't stop it

ThatWriterBoy:
So I have finished Genesis and I started Exodus today. I'm at the point where God called Moses from the burning bush. I'm wondering: couldn't the Israelites have fought back against the Egyptians when Pharoah started his painful laws? I mean, he actually gave an order for the male babies to be killed! Shouldn't that have been enough for the Hebrews to stand up and be like "This is the last straw" and fight back? Scripture said they had a massive population, and the Egyptians were even scared of them. Pharoah was scared that if there was a war, and they sided with their enemies, they could take over the country. Shouldn't they have used it to their advantage, especially after Pharoah began killing their male children?

You mean kind of like Nigerians are today fighting against the criminals and dictatorial regimes depriving them and their children of basic needs in 2025?

Because the story is fictional and was written for propaganda reasons.

Egypt was one of the greatest civilizations at that time, writing about how your God humbled the great Egyptians for you is fantastic propaganda.

Ps: There is no historical evidence that hebrews were ever slaves en masse in Egypt.

danvon:
➜Because the story is fictional and was written for propaganda reasons. Egypt was one of the greatest civilizations at that time, writing about how your God humbled the great Egyptians for you is fantastic propaganda. Ps: There is no historical evidence that hebrews were ever slaves en masse in Egypt.

Is the situation in Nigeria equally fictional and written for propaganda reasons?

Kobojunkie:
Is the situation in Nigeria equally fictional and written for propaganda reasons?

I thought you lived in USA

danvon:
➜I thought you lived in USA

The OP's write-up isn't about me or where I live.

Kobojunkie:
The OP's write-up isn't about me or where I live.

It isn't about Nigeria either

danvon:
➜It isn't about Nigeria either

So, because it is not about Nigeria, you are made blind to the fact that the same can be asked of what is happening in Nigeria today?

danvon:
Because the story is fictional and was written for propaganda reasons.

Egypt was one of the greatest civilizations at that time, writing about how your God humbled the great Egyptians for you is fantastic propaganda.

Ps: There is no historical evidence that hebrews were ever slaves en masse in Egypt.

Right..

Kobojunkie:
You mean kind of like Nigerians are today fighting against the criminals and dictatorial regimes depriving them and their children of basic needs in 2025?

I see you. But then again, Nigerians have protested some laws they didn't fancy. Like the RUGA law. Or the CAMA bill. Or the one where we were going to be taxed some percentage for cyber protection or something.

Imagine if there was a law to kill all the male newborns of a certain tribe. I'm sure the tribes people would fight back.

danvon:
Because the story is fictional and was written for propaganda reasons.

Egypt was one of the greatest civilizations at that time, writing about how your God humbled the great Egyptians for you is fantastic propaganda.

Ps: There is no historical evidence that hebrews were ever slaves en masse in Egypt.

For the sake of argument, let's assume it wasn't. Or even if it is fictional, we can still analyse literature and comment on it can't we?

iamnotillicit:
They were not organized...

They were like in jail

I don't think so. When Moses came to deliver them, he met their leaders and stuff. They were.

ThatWriterBoy:
For the sake of argument, let's assume it wasn't. Or even if it is fictional, we can still analyse literature and comment on it can't we?

Okay, in ancient Sparta there were lots of slaves, the slaves were called Helots. The thing is that these slaves were not kept in chains, they even outnumbered the Spartans and they were organized but still they were slaves. They organized revolts occasionally but they were always beat down.

Why could they not fight back?

Because they didn't have the military knowledge or training, Spartans however began their military education at the age of seven which meant they would win any battle with inexperienced slaves.

Sparta also had a specific culture of closely watching the Helots, paying attention to those who seem to have military potential and executing them.

So the reasons why the Israelites couldn't fight back was because they couldn't, any attempt to fight back would lead to serious massacres.

Moses however could fight because he wasn't raised as a slave but was raised as a prince in the palace, he probably had more military knowledge and experience than the average Israelite.

danvon:
Okay, in ancient Sparta there were lots of slaves, the slaves were called Helots. The thing is that these slaves were not kept in chains, they even outnumbered the Spartans and they were organized but still they were slaves. They organized revolts occasionally but they were always beat down.

Why could they not fight back?

Because they didn't have the military knowledge or training, Spartans however began their military education at the age of seven which meant they would win any battle with inexperienced slaves.

Sparta also had a specific culture of closely watching the Helots, paying attention to those who seem to have military potential and executing them.

So the reasons why the Israelites couldn't fight back was because they couldn't, any attempt to fight back would lead to serious massacres.

Moses however could fight because he wasn't raised as a slave but was raised as a prince in the palace, he probably had more military knowledge and experience than the average Israelite.

It makes sense. Do you think there's a chance they could have tried before?

ThatWriterBoy:
I don't think so. When Moses came to deliver them, he met their leaders and stuff. They were.

Family heads not spiritual or political heads...

They won't need Moses if they had one already

ThatWriterBoy:
It makes sense. Do you think there's a chance they could have tried before?

There was never any fight because they were not equipped, they didn't have allies...

Moses can't fight Egyptians, he employed diplomacy

danvon:
Because the story is fictional and was written for propaganda reasons.

Egypt was one of the greatest civilizations at that time, writing about how your God humbled the great Egyptians for you is fantastic propaganda.

Ps: There is no historical evidence that hebrews were ever slaves en masse in Egypt.

Yet Egypt has never sued the propagandists and call them Liars. Please find another thing to say.

iamnotillicit:
Family heads not spiritual or political heads...

They won't need Moses if they had one already

Or military heads!

ThatWriterBoy:
It makes sense. Do you think there's a chance they could have tried before?

I think they might have tried at least once though probably when the oppression began.

Dtruthspeaker:
Yet Egypt has never sued the propagandists and call them Liars. Please find another thing to say.

Why should they sue something everybody knows never happened, besides it's hard for countries to sue each other, Japan killed thousands of Chinese and Koreans but neither China nor Korea can sue them and Japan never apologized.

ThatWriterBoy:
➜I see you. But then again, Nigerians have protested some laws they didn't fancy. Like the RUGA law. Or the CAMA bill. Or the one where we were going to be taxed some percentage for cyber protection or something.
➜Imagine if there was a law to kill all the male newborns of a certain tribe. I'm sure the tribes people would fight back.

1. Protested, Nigerians? When less than 0.1% in a country of over 200,000,000 million come out to shout, do you call that a protest? Stop saying Nigerians protested. Last summer, we could say that about a million protested in the North, but we all know that in the south, the story was more like the people there were not interested.

2. No such law is necessary!

danvon:
Why should they sue something everybody knows never happened, besides it's hard for countries to sue each other, Japan killed thousands of Chinese and Koreans but neither China nor Korea can sue them and Japan never apologized.

There is no way they would not complain or sue like Babalola and Farotimi, for something that is a Lie, and an embarrassing and a disgraceful one at that) that has lasted centuries and that will surely go on being broadcasted till the end of the world.

And no it is not hard, South Africa just sued Isreal,
Serbia and Montenegro sued United Kingdom etc.

Even at that complaint and objection is even easier and cheaper. And since back then till today, it has not been done. Exactly how a Afrocandy can never object nor complain at being called a prostitute nor Japan being called devils for what they did in China.

That is how it works, so your counter is invalid.

ThatWriterBoy:
I see you. But then again, Nigerians have protested some laws they didn't fancy. Like the RUGA law. Or the CAMA bill. Or the one where we were going to be taxed some percentage for cyber protection or something.

Imagine if there was a law to kill all the male newborns of a certain tribe. I'm sure the tribes people would fight back.

Bandits are killing everyone in sight and Nigerians have not fought back.

Dtruthspeaker:
There is no way they would not complain or sue like Babalola and Farotimi, for something that is a Lie, and an embarrassing and a disgraceful one at that) that has lasted centuries and that will surely go on being broadcasted till the end of the world.

And no it is not hard, South Africa just sued Isreal,
Serbia and Montenegro sued United Kingdom etc.

Even at that complaint and objection is even easier and cheaper. And since back then till today, it has not been done. Exactly how a Afrocandy can never object nor complain at being called a prostitute nor Japan being called devils for what they did in China.

That is how it works, so your counter is invalid.

Lots of well educated bible scholars than yourself have confirmed it never happened it's not everything that needs argument.

Dtruthspeaker:
Yet Egypt has never sued the propagandists and call them Liars. Please find another thing to say.

Egyptians today are Muslims so they can never deny the story because to do so means they have denied Allah, Quran, Islam and Muhammad as the story is well preserved in this book they revere as sacred writing!

In the year 2003 Egypt sued Israel over the wealth but lost the case.
View screenshot or click below link:

https://theisraelbible.com/are-the-israelites-guilty-of-stealing-the-egyptians-gold-and-silver/

https://claudemariottini.com/2014/04/04/suing-israel-for-the-damage-caused-by-the-ten-plagues-in-egypt/

MaxInDHouse:
Egyptians today are Muslims so they can never deny the story because to do so means they have denied Allah, Quran, Islam and Muhammad as the story is well preserved in this book they revere as sacred writing!

In the year 2003 Egypt sued Israel over the wealth but lost the case.
View screenshot or click below link:

https://theisraelbible.com/are-the-israelites-guilty-of-stealing-the-egyptians-gold-and-silver/

https://claudemariottini.com/2014/04/04/suing-israel-for-the-damage-caused-by-the-ten-plagues-in-egypt/

Oh! I did not know this.

So, clearly, this case proves that Egypt admits that it indeed happened and that the bible is right.

Thanks.

danvon:
Lots of well educated bible scholars than yourself have confirmed it never happened it's not everything that needs argument.

Argumentum ad educatio-
Fallacy of "it is true because they went to school more than I did".

Still an invalid argument. You do not know if I am even more expert than they are but right now that does not matter and the bottom line is your counter is invalid.

Dtruthspeaker:
Argumentum ad educatio-
Fallacy of "it is true because they went to school more than I did".

Still an invalid argument. You do not know if I am even more expert than they are but right now that does not matter and the bottom line is your counter is invalid.

If 10 people from 10 different education backgrounds with 10 different research methods all claim something never happened I think there's a much higher chance they are saying the truth than someone relying on a book written by isolated and biased individuals.

ThatWriterBoy:
So I have finished Genesis and I started Exodus today. I'm at the point where God called Moses from the burning bush.

I'm wondering: couldn't the Israelites have fought back against the Egyptians when Pharoah started his painful laws?

I mean, he actually gave an order for the male babies to be killed! Shouldn't that have been enough for the Hebrews to stand up and be like "This is the last straw" and fight back?

Scripture said they had a massive population, and the Egyptians were even scared of them. Pharoah was scared that if there was a war, and they sided with their enemies, they could take over the country.

Shouldn't they have used it to their advantage, especially after Pharoah began killing their male children?

they were not a nation with their own military to even think of fighting one of the greatest nations of their time. Egyptians were scared of the possibility of them becoming a major threat

danvon:
If 10 people from 10 different education backgrounds with 10 different research methods all claim something never happened I think there's a much higher chance they are saying the truth than someone relying on a book written by isolated and biased individuals.

Did you ever stop to think whether their process of arriving at their conclusion was valid and would stand the test of Truth?

I am certain you have not. You just walked right into the fallacy to Argumentum ad educatio and accepted their say.

"The truth is not discovered by majority votes nor by counting of 10 or 100 educated heads". Justice Oputa.

And"a claim" is not a proof.