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Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by Antidote333: 2:27pm On Jan 23, 2025
TenQ:
I agree with you that a Medical doctor will actually be better because they have a more rounder knowledge of healthcare by experience
BUT this is not my issue or problem.

I was just looking at the pharmacists who feel sidelined whenever it came to leadership of medical facilities and they seem to know what the arguments of the Medical doctors would be and they are preparing answers even before you get to the point of conflic.

This wass why I said: Pharmacists are closing up the GAP between themselves and you Medical doctors.
Will their scope of anatomy, physiology & biochemistry be expanded? What input will they make in terms of patient care aside their drug drug interaction, overdosing & or underdosing arguments they always put forward?
Na NMA cause this thing. All over the world, pharmacists don't admit & treat patients in their pharmacies. It is only in Nigeria.
When they are done causing more harm to the patient, that's when they will remember that there is hospital.
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by TenQ: 2:33pm On Jan 23, 2025
Antidote333:
Will their scope of anatomy, physiology & biochemistry be expanded? What input will they make in terms of patient care aside their drug drug interaction, overdosing & or underdosing arguments they always put forward?
Na NMA cause this thing. All over the world, pharmacists don't admit & treat patients in their pharmacies. It is only in Nigeria.
When they are done causing more harm to the patient, that's when they will remember that there is hospital.
We may object but Pharmacists don't think so!
And they have done everything with the government to achieve their aims
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by Antidote333: 2:41pm On Jan 23, 2025
TenQ:
We may object but Pharmacists don't think so!
And they have done everything with the government to achieve their aims
NMA & MDCN should ensure that no pharmacist dispenses any medication without appropriate prescription from the doctor, abolish patent medicine with defaulter made to spend at least 20yrs imprison & also lose his or her license.
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by TenQ: 2:53pm On Jan 23, 2025
Antidote333:
NMA & MDCN should ensure that no pharmacist dispenses any medication without appropriate prescription from the doctor, abolish patent medicine with defaulter made to spend at least 20yrs imprison & also lose his or her license.
You can only achieve this in Nigeria by thinking and working strategically with the government.

You can achieve it by strikes or riots or talks but by going deep down to the roots, placing your people in power and getting the documents to say what you want. QED!
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by Antidote333: 3:06pm On Jan 23, 2025
TenQ:
You can only achieve this in Nigeria by thinking and working strategically with the government.

You can achieve it by strikes or riots or talks but by going deep down to the roots, placing your people in power and getting the documents to say what you want. QED!
Placing your in power? The moment a doctor gets that power, he suddenly forgets the struggle.
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by TenQ: 3:12pm On Jan 23, 2025
Antidote333:
Placing your in power? The moment a doctor gets that power, he suddenly forgets the struggle.
Chris Ngige is a good example!
But it can still be done at the Medical association level when you sponsor a Doctor-Politician. He can enter Offices no ordinary doctor can enter and push views because he was sponsored to to exactly this.

Best would be if you sponsored several who work together to achieve the associations' goals
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by Antidote333: 3:27pm On Jan 23, 2025
TenQ:
Chris Ngige is a good example!
But it can still be done at the Medical association level when you sponsor a Doctor-Politician. He can enter Offices no ordinary doctor can enter and push views because he was sponsored to to exactly this.

Best would be if you sponsored several who work together to achieve the associations' goals
Doctors are very bad at politics.
The moment you give a doctor power, he uses it to victimize younger colleagues. Check the history of most CMDs before & during their tenure as CMDS. How has the ministerial slot help doctors?
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by TenQ: 3:44pm On Jan 23, 2025
Antidote333:
Doctors are very bad at politics.
The moment you give a doctor power, he uses it to victimize younger colleagues. Check the history of most CMDs before & during their tenure as CMDS. How has the ministerial slot help doctors?
I agree that most Medical doctors are bad at politics and it's because they think you achieve your aims by the force of LOGIC and REASON. But this isn't true in the real world. The real world is for those who are smart and not necessarily who is intelligent. Its the same problem ASUU has with government.

When a Medical doctors achieve power by himself, he wouldn't remember the association o. But if he achieved power because the association sponsored him, he would respect the objective of the association.

I think this is the way to go
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by Osoboshi: 5:34pm On Jan 23, 2025
TenQ:
Don't you think its just about specialisation?


Can All medical doctors operate on the eye?
if they wish too brother but a so called doctor of pharmacy or whatever can never in his lifetime,you see the difference 🤷🤷🤷.
Bro find your mates to rub shoulders with
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by TenQ: 6:27pm On Jan 23, 2025
Osoboshi:
if they wish too brother but a so called doctor of pharmacy or whatever can never in his lifetime,you see the difference 🤷🤷🤷.
Bro find your mates to rub shoulders with
In every field, there are specialisations with extremely stiff learning curve.

Ophthalmology is deep
Ear Nose and Troth surgeons specialize for years
You think any doctor of Psychiatry can perform brain surgery with little addition of knowledge.

Each of these fields are difficult and that is why we have specialists in major hospitals
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by Jman06(m): 7:52pm On Jan 23, 2025
Antidote333:
Will their scope of anatomy, physiology & biochemistry be expanded? What input will they make in terms of patient care aside their drug drug interaction, overdosing & or underdosing arguments they always put forward?
Na NMA cause this thing. All over the world, pharmacists don't admit & treat patients in their pharmacies. It is only in Nigeria.
When they are done causing more harm to the patient, that's when they will remember that there is hospital.
You're actually ignorant of the reality of things in the health sector. This is how you people hype yourselves as the all-knowing in healthcare but I know the number of gaffes from medical doctors I have corrected as a Pharmacist yet i don't go about exposing them! A doctor recently could not correctly interpret lipid profile results! Or are we talking about cases of wrong diagnosis that have become very common in the country? I wish you guys could concentrate on improving your knowledge and skills to carry out proper diagnosis than engaging in frivolous fights with other healthcare professionals doing their own jobs
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by Osoboshi: 8:32pm On Jan 23, 2025
jaephoenix:
I understand why we docs insist on being minister of health. Docs have a more rounder knowledge of healthcare due to longer training but in my opinion, any health care personnel can be minister AS LONG AS THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING
it is done nowhere in the world.I can never be under a non medical doctor to start telling me what kwanu
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by Osoboshi: 8:37pm On Jan 23, 2025
TenQ:
I agree with you that a Medical doctor will actually be better because they have a more rounder knowledge of healthcare by experience
BUT this is not my issue or problem.

I was just looking at the pharmacists who feel sidelined whenever it came to leadership of medical facilities and they seem to know what the arguments of the Medical doctors would be and they are preparing answers even before you get to the point of conflic.

This wass why I said: Pharmacists are closing up the GAP between themselves and you Medical doctors.
guy go and read about the scope of pharm d and so called d program,u are grossly ignorant
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by Osoboshi: 8:44pm On Jan 23, 2025
TenQ:
In every field, there are specialisations with extremely stiff learning curve.

Ophthalmology is deep
Ear Nose and Troth surgeons specialize for years
You think any doctor of Psychiatry can perform brain surgery with little addition of knowledge.

Each of these fields are difficult and that is why we have specialists in major hospitals
oga as a medical doctor I can go into any specialty same can not be said of other so called doctors.
Dr optometry but you can not make any clinic diagnosis with regards the eye, talking you know I'm a doctor ahn ahn
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by TenQ: 8:44pm On Jan 23, 2025
Osoboshi:
guy go and read about the scope of pharm d and so called d program,u are grossly ignorant
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by TenQ: 8:45pm On Jan 23, 2025
Osoboshi:
guy go and read about the scope of pharm d and so called d program,u are grossly ignorant
You are grossly uncultured , uneducated and lack any form of comprehension of basic writeup.

You should have followed the train of conversation before barging in like a mule

Have a good night!
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by Osoboshi: 8:47pm On Jan 23, 2025
TenQ:
You are grossly uncultured , uneducated and lack any form of comprehension of basic writeup.

Have a good night!
to make it clear for you pharm d and other d program doesn't add any credibility to medical leadership,shikena.
Go and read the scope of pharm d program before talking about strategic whatever
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by Osoboshi: 8:52pm On Jan 23, 2025
Jman06:
You're actually ignorant of the reality of things in the health sector. This is how you people hype yourselves as the all-knowing in healthcare but I know the number of gaffes from medical doctors I have corrected as a Pharmacist yet i don't go about exposing them! A doctor recently could not correctly interpret lipid profile results! Or are we talking about cases of wrong diagnosis that have become very common in the country? I wish you guys could concentrate on improving your knowledge and skills to carry out proper diagnosis than engaging in frivolous fights with other healthcare professionals doing their own jobs
kikiki kikiki heard about medical burn out before,wrong diagnosis(the nonsense diagnosis and prescription wey you dey give normal normal nko) who told you we can't be corrected by other professionals,just because I learnt how to insert implanon etc from a nurse doesn't mean she has reasonable knowledge about gynaecology.We know what we know and know we don't know what we don't know,reason why we ask our colleagues, seniors or other health professionals in some cases .Read about the 3rd highest cause of death in the US
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by TenQ: 9:06pm On Jan 23, 2025
Osoboshi:
oga as a medical doctor I can go into any specialty same can not be said of other so called doctors.
Dr optometry but you can not make any clinic diagnosis with regards the eye, talking you know I'm a doctor ahn ahn
If you are truly a medical doctor, disappointment is an understatement for what I feel for you.

Are you claiming that specialisations in medicine are extremely simple after your MBBS?

Have your way if this is your argument.

But you should have first gone through the train of conversations before jumping in. This was your error!

Let me break it down again for you
Pharmacy is just a specialisation under the medical sciences. Even medical doctors have their own specialisations AND it is not easy to just jump from one area of medicine to another .

Meaning that Pharmacists cannot claim to be specialists in the work of medical doctors . Crossing is not even easy between specialities like Opthalmology, ENT , Brain surgery etc. A general practitioner medical doctor needs to train hard to cross into a different specialisation.
Khai!
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by jaephoenix(m): 10:47pm On Jan 23, 2025
TenQ:
The difference is not bringing up your grievances only when you are on industrial strikes
BUT
Seeing to reaching people of influence in Government who can push your agendas quietly or even planting your people into Government with the purpose of actualising the desire of the organisation.
Reaching people of influence? What does that mean? Isn't it what NARD is doing now, dialoguing with government officials?
What do you mean by 'planting your people into Government'?
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by jaephoenix(m): 10:50pm On Jan 23, 2025
Antidote333:
Will their scope of anatomy, physiology & biochemistry be expanded? What input will they make in terms of patient care aside their drug drug interaction, overdosing & or underdosing arguments they always put forward?
Na NMA cause this thing. All over the world, pharmacists don't admit & treat patients in their pharmacies. It is only in Nigeria.
When they are done causing more harm to the patient, that's when they will remember that there is hospital.
That practice of pharmacies managing patients in pharmacies is crazy? I remember one case of a man brought comatose cos he was taking antihypertensives prescribed by a pharmacist.
When i was a corper in the North, male nurses operate on patients. I was aghast.
The corntree is a real jungle
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by jaephoenix(m): 10:55pm On Jan 23, 2025
Antidote333:
NMA & MDCN should ensure that no pharmacist dispenses any medication without appropriate prescription from the doctor, abolish patent medicine with defaulter made to spend at least 20yrs imprison & also lose his or her license.
It has been in effect a long time ago but the problem is enforcement. The only drugs that doesn't require prescriptions are OTCs. Its poorly enforced and nobody cares
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by jaephoenix(m): 10:57pm On Jan 23, 2025
Antidote333:
Placing your in power? The moment a doctor gets that power, he suddenly forgets the struggle.
Its human nature, not just a doctor thing. Humans are generally greedy and selfish
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by jaephoenix(m): 10:58pm On Jan 23, 2025
TenQ:
Chris Ngige is a good example!
But it can still be done at the Medical association level when you sponsor a Doctor-Politician. He can enter Offices no ordinary doctor can enter and push views because he was sponsored to to exactly this.

Best would be if you sponsored several who work together to achieve the associations' goals
Wont work in Nigeria. Our corntree is rigged to foist corruption
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by jaephoenix(m): 10:59pm On Jan 23, 2025
TenQ:
In every field, there are specialisations with extremely stiff learning curve.

Ophthalmology is deep
Ear Nose and Troth surgeons specialize for years
You think any doctor of Psychiatry can perform brain surgery with little addition of knowledge.

Each of these fields are difficult and that is why we have specialists in major hospitals
Which one be doctor of psychiatry? undecided
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by jaephoenix(m): 11:04pm On Jan 23, 2025
Jman06:
You're actually ignorant of the reality of things in the health sector. This is how you people hype yourselves as the all-knowing in healthcare but I know the number of gaffes from medical doctors I have corrected as a Pharmacist yet i don't go about exposing them! A doctor recently could not correctly interpret lipid profile results! Or are we talking about cases of wrong diagnosis that have become very common in the country? I wish you guys could concentrate on improving your knowledge and skills to carry out proper diagnosis than engaging in frivolous fights with other healthcare professionals doing their own jobs
And u r myopic. Every profession have their dullards. I have met many pharmacists that don't know drug doses, some that don't know drug-drug interactions(which is basic pharmacology), but I don't go about castigating them. I know some docs that are dvmmies too
Stay on your lane and let others stay on theirs. Docs are more armed and rounded on health matters than any healthcare professional, it doesn't mean other professionals aren't important tho
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by TenQ: 11:53pm On Jan 23, 2025
jaephoenix:
Which one be doctor of psychiatry? undecided
You!



Check:
A doctor of psychiatry is commonly referred to as a psychiatrist


You should know this better than me na!
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by TenQ: 11:55pm On Jan 23, 2025
jaephoenix:
Reaching people of influence? What does that mean? Isn't it what NARD is doing now, dialoguing with government officials?
What do you mean by 'planting your people into Government'?
Unfortunately, This is what the current Nigerian environment require!
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by Osoboshi: 4:35am On Jan 24, 2025
TenQ:
If you are truly a medical doctor, disappointment is an understatement for what I feel for you.

Are you claiming that specialisations in medicine are extremely simple after your MBBS?

Have your way if this is your argument.

But you should have first gone through the train of conversations before jumping in. This was your error!

Let me break it down again for you
Pharmacy is just a specialisation under the medical sciences. Even medical doctors have their own specialisations AND it is not easy to just jump from one area of medicine to another .

Meaning that Pharmacists cannot claim to be specialists in the work of medical doctors . Crossing is not even easy between specialities like Opthalmology, ENT , Brain surgery etc. A general practitioner medical doctor needs to train hard to cross into a different specialisation.
Khai!
twist the conversation however you want it,from what you were saying and implying simply answering doctor from what ever field equates you to a medical doctor.Talking about being strategic and other nonsense leadership
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by TenQ: 6:22am On Jan 24, 2025
Osoboshi:
twist the conversation however you want it,from what you were saying and implying simply answering doctor from what ever field equates you to a medical doctor.Talking about being strategic and other nonsense leadership
Sorry for being harsh on you. You were too hasty to judge.
Peace!
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by Antidote333: 7:39am On Jan 24, 2025
TenQ:
Sorry for being harsh on you. You were too hasty to judge.
Peace!
Why are two of you quarreling?
Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by Jman06(m): 12:38pm On Jan 24, 2025
jaephoenix:
That practice of pharmacies managing patients in pharmacies is crazy? I remember one case of a man brought comatose cos he was taking antihypertensives prescribed by a pharmacist.
When i was a corper in the North, male nurses operate on patients. I was aghast.
The corntree is a real jungle
And how sure are you that the person who prescribed the antihypertensive was a pharmacist huh No well trained pharmacist would prescribe antihypertensive without keeping the patient under close monitoring. It is rare to see Pharmacists making such prescriptions in the first place without consulting a medical doctor. If we're talking about common sicknesses like malaria, common cold, pains and inflammations, that's a different ballgame.

See, you medical doctors have a penchant for lying against pharmacists for whatever selfish aims you want to achieve and until you stop that, our healthcare system would continue to experience disharmony among the professionals and patients would continue to bear the consequences.
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