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Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣Ahhhh....Resurrected body of what sir?

Godson1379 Steep has swallowed his statement oo.

what is wrong with this one?
Jesus rose with his body and he is in heaven in that body.

Godson1379:
Lol confession time

confession of what?

Steep:
confession of what?

Answer my last post first before we talk about that.

Godson1379:
Answer my last post first before we talk about that.

No until you clarify yourself, what do you mean by confession time?

Godson1379:
Yes indeed and it will take an eternity to learn about the true MYSTERIES of the Almighty.

Please don't use that word (MYSTERY) it is incoherent instead use the word SACRED SECRET

If God's word is mysterious then we can never ever agree on what the message is but Jesus said his true disciples will have the same line of thought {John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3} and Paul said there should be no confusion among true believers! 1Corinthians 14:33

So there is no mystery in God's word because mystery is unsearchable whereas secrets could be unraveled.

Jesus was a spirit being before coming to planet earth the body he used as a man is all we need to pay for our sin because it's a perfect human body without sin.
So after his earthly mission {John 19:30} he was dead for three days but raised by God back to his spirit life again {1Corinthians 15:44} that's why his friends couldn't recognize him anymore as he's no longer in that former body! John 20:14; Luke 24:15-16

Steep:
what is wrong with this one?
Jesus rose with his body and he is in heaven in that body.

The op is asking with what body sir? Flesh or spirit body?

Godson1379:
Okay thanks for the explanation. Was straight to the point and succinct enough

Oh. Thank God. I thought I was going to ship into troubled waters.

Steep:
No until you clarify yourself, what do you mean by confession time?

Nothing really. Okay i take it back. Let's avoid diversion pls. So answer the question as relates with the topic?

Truthseeker10:
The op is asking with what body sir? Flesh or spirit body?

There is nothing like spirit body.

Godson1379:
Nothing really. Okay i take it back. Let's avoid diversion pls. So answer the question as relates with the topic?

I have answered it. Jesus ascended with his body to heaven.

Steep:
There is nothing like spirit body.

Godson1379........Steep said there is nothing like spirit body oo.......please let him explain 1 Corinthians 15:44 below.

King James Bible
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Godson1379:
I mean this is common sense, to understand his eternal form , you have to understand clearly both the bodily and spiritual forms and how he intertwines the two in all it's Glorious perfection still retaining absolute divinity and coherence. Remember, God is never a God of confusion and everything is made perfect by his eternal will and Glory

In summary, everything remains a mystery and the scriptures only scratched the surface.

The mystery of God will surely take an eternity to unravel it all and O boy eternity is such a long time

Eternity is not a long time. Eternity is outside the scope of the physical property, time.

Truthseeker10:
Godson1379........Steep said there is nothing like spirit body oo.......please let him explain 1 Corinthians 15:44 below.

King James Bible
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

So when has spiritual body become spirit body?

Steep:
So when has spiritual body become spirit body?

What is the difference between spirit body and spiritual body?

When did human body become physical body?

GOD'S WORD® Translation
It is planted as a physical body. It comes back to life as a spiritual body. As there is a physical body, so there is also a spiritual body.

Godson1379:
Okay, Enough with the Drama let me give you a brief exposition as the Spirit leads


Remember in the Scriptures, the word "Translated" was used.

Let me refresh your memory incase you missed it at Bible school classes


Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.


What does "translation" mean in this context?

It simply means mortality putting on immortality,

Fleshly putting on the immaterial, imperishable, corruptless form of the father and Son (the Word of God) as it was intended for Man before Creation and the very time itself began.

Now all of creation has been "Groaning" for the manifestation of the "Sons" of God. Who are this Sons? Well that's a lecture for another day.

In summary. During the ascension of Jesus after his Death and resurrection, he was translated to his eternal Form with all the powers of the earthly and spiritual realms handed to the rightful owner (Christ) by the Father with authority over all the earthly and spiritual forms of existences and beings as all things were created thru him and for him all for his pleasures.

Are you still confused?

Jesus was exalted, not translated.

It may seem similar but let's use what scriptures use. Exalted.

Truthseeker10:
What is the difference between spirit body and spiritual body?

When did human body become physical body?

GOD'S WORD® Translation
It is planted as a physical body. It comes back to life as a spiritual body. As there is a physical body, so there is also a spiritual body.

Where is the spirit body there?

Steep:
Where is the spirit body there?

Oga tell us the difference between spirit body and spiritual body na.

You used the word 'human body' to describe the Jesus physical body when he was on earth.

Now what is your issue with the word 'spirit body' as used to refer to 'spiritual body'?

Tell us the difference please

Does Jesus have a spiritual body or a physical body now? Answer the question without deflecting.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid you have completely lost me here. Mind you, I don't subscribe to any religious narratives that are, for the most part, attempts at overwriting the explicit content of the Israelite Scripture they claim to follow.

2. Again, Jesus Christ of Isreal is recorded to have been born of a woman and the Spirit of God to fulfill the promise of God to David via the Covenant of Salt which He made to the family of Jacob. The same Jesus Christ of Israel, when He rose from the grave, after His death, confirmed that His flesh and blood were intact even after the ordeal. The same Jesus Christ of Israel then ascended up into His Father's Heaven with His flesh and blood intact with a message that the same way He went on, He would return to them. I guess the simple question I should ask you at this point is why you completely refuse to accept the words of Jesus Christ of Israel in this case. The Kingdom belongs to Him and He is the rule of Law in it, and according to Him, He will return the same way He left. So, why do you disagree with Him on this? On what grounds?

Concerning your first take on overwriting:

"Overwriting" typically refers to imposing new meanings, interpretations, or doctrines on a text that aren't supported by the text itself or its original context.

The Messiah: Someone might argue that the Christian idea of Jesus as the Messiah "overwrites" the Israelite Scriptures, which describe the Messiah as a future king who would bring peace and restore Israel rather than someone who would suffer, die, and return later.
In this case, both are true.

I'd say overwriting should be rid by contextual explanation of the texts. When you think you have one spotted, explain using what the scripture and context say what you think it means, what do you think?

MaxInDHouse:
He is not of our kind {John 8:23} so the body he used is not like ours that was a perfect body equal to what Adam had {1Corinthians 15:45} and that's why only someone with such a body qualifies to pay for the sin we inherited from Adam. Psalms 49:7-9
So at death that body become the sacrifice paid for our sin. That is why he resurrected a spirit being! 1Corinthians 15:44


He simply means where TRUE Christians gather he will be their chairman since they gather to do the work he assigned to them! Matthew 28:18-20

What does scripture mean by the word "ascension" ?

Nachmonides:
➜Concerning your first take on overwriting: "Overwriting" typically refers to imposing new meanings, interpretations, or doctrines on a text that aren't supported by the text itself or its original context. The Messiah: Someone might argue that the Christian idea of Jesus as the Messiah "overwrites" the Israelite Scriptures, which describe the Messiah as a future king who would bring peace and restore Israel rather than someone who would suffer, die, and return later.
In this case, both are true.
I'd say overwriting should be rid by contextual explanation of the texts. When you think you have one spotted, explain using what the scripture and context say what you think it means, what do you think?

Christians are guilty of overwriting the meaning of what is in fact stated in scripture by imposing their many contradictory ideas , ideas which are far and removed from that intended by the authors of the texts in question. For instance, Christians claim without evidence that Jesus Christ came to save Non-Israelites — the dogs— when in fact Jesus Christ of Israel instead vehemently declared He came only to save the Israelites — the sheep. 😩😩😩

Kobojunkie:
Christians are guilty of overwriting the meaning of what is in fact stated in scripture by imposing their many contradictory ideas , ideas which are far and removed from that intended by the authors of the texts in question. For instance, Christians claim without evidence that Jesus Christ came to save Non-Israelites — the dogs— when in fact Jesus Christ of Israel instead vehemently declared He came only to save the Israelites — the sheep. 😩😩😩

Haha. I think we've had this conversation before. What if I said you're the one overwriting here.

Alright, explain contextually your claim.

Nachmonides:
➜Haha. I think we've had this conversation before. What if I said you're the one overwriting here. Alright, explain contextually your claim.

I am guilty of overwriting by stating exactly that which is written by the author of the book. 😏

Kobojunkie:
I am guilty of overwriting by stating exactly that which is written by the author of the book. 😏

It's simply an accusation I have made.

Can you explain contextually your claim?

Nachmonides:
➜It's simply an accusation I have made. Can you explain contextually your claim?

You provided a definition earlier do the term overwriting , so you should be able to explain to me how by doing that which does not agree with even your very definition can be construed as overwriting . 😏😏

Kobojunkie:
You provided a definition earlier do the term overwriting , so you should be able to explain to me how by doing that which does not agree with even your very definition can be construed as overwriting . 😏😏

From my perspective it seems to me a misinterpretation on your part, hence my use of overwriting.

Alright, just skip that part.
Please explain your claim contextually.

Nachmonides:
➜From my perspective it seems to me a misinterpretation on your part, hence my use of overwriting. Alright, just skip that part. Please explain your claim contextually.

I am not here for more of what is eejit-levels religious dribbling! 🙄🙄

Truthseeker10:
Oga tell us the difference between spirit body and spiritual body na.

You used the word 'human body' to describe the Jesus physical body when he was on earth.

Now what is your issue with the word 'spirit body' as used to refer to 'spiritual body'?

Tell us the difference please

Does Jesus have a spiritual body or a physical body now? Answer the question without deflecting.

First show me where it says spirit body?
So when has the word spiritual become spirit?

When paul referred to the believers as spiritual, was he saying they were spirit?

1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

So if Paul calling the believers spiritual does not mean they are spirits, how come you think spiritual body means spirit body?

Nachmonides:
What does scripture mean by the word "ascension" ?

Nachmonides:
Indeed, God's word is clear. Farewell.

I think it'll be better to engage your dear brethren in da lord to whom God's word is clear!

Kobojunkie:
I am not here for more of what is eejit-levels religious dribbling! 🙄🙄

Alright then. Thank you for your responses.

MaxInDHouse:
I think it'll be better to engage your dear brethren in da lord to whom God's word is clear!

Alright then. Thank you for your response.

Nachmonides:
Alright then. Thank you for your response.

You're welcome!

Steep:
First show me where it says spirit body?
So when has the word spiritual become spirit?

When paul referred to the believers as spiritual, was he saying they were spirit?

1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

So if Paul calling the believers spiritual does not mean they are spirits, how come you think spiritual body means spirit body?

So what kind of body do spirits have?

Did Paul say In the above verses that you quoted say that humans have spiritual bodies?