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DaddyCoool:
But she can still go to court and be reinstated with damages and backpay if the firing was indeed illegal

Traevis:
Dey play!!

maasoap:
You just described Trump's childish behaviour here. President firing civil and career officials at will, which law gave him that power? That's abuse of power. I'm sure that the reason you didn't recognise what he did was that it was done by American president. If it was done by Tinubu, you would instantly know that it was an abuse of power.

Wallade:
I want to believe that she will approach the court to seek redress and Justice.

I trust the USA judiciary to be the last line of defense for the law even if the Congress is compromised.

Trump's removal of Inspector General is getting a major publicity now because of the manner and approach that Trump applied to to do it. I want to believe every other president that removed Inspector General or career civil servants followed due process. There is a reason for that law that requires the president to follow that process.

Now, we have an understanding.

DrAda:
How long do you think it will take before Americans launches a massive protest against Trump?

BondRiv:
There are divergent views in the legal profession. As a member, I'm not in support of that separation. It is an unwarranted duplication that will achieve nothing. Rather we should drop the title of Minister of Justice. One of the problems in Nigeria is this copy and paste syndrome. We don't tailor things to suit our peculiarities. We are practising a presidential system, not parliamentary. The President appoints the AGF, and other cabinet members. This is just a case of distrust in the system. Separation is not the solution, neither will it strengthen the system. You have people not appointed or elected in the civil service engaging in massive corruption. The position of a Minster of Justice is found in the UK, where they also have an Attorney General. In the U.S. there is no such duplication. We have better things to focus on, and shouldn't chase shadows.

Wallade:
We are talking USA Inspector Generals not Nigerian Inspector Generals. Don't agree with me on my position, just do your own research about what I have said and then come back for more conversations.

About the position of the Nigerian Attorney General of Federation that you mentioned. Do you know and understand why there has been a lot of clamor, especially from the Legal practicioners and learned persons that the position of the Minister of Justice should be separated from the position of the Attorney General of the Federation(AGF) ?

Conflict of interest!

The AGF is supposed to be a career appointment and professional independent of political or sentimental influence.

While the Minister of Justice can be political appointment which could make the person in that office sentimental or politically influenced.

Combination of the two as one creates a dangerous compromise of conflict of interest.
That is already evident in the Nigerian Justice administration.

Research more please.

DaddyCoool:
But she can still go to court and be reinstated with damages and backpay if the firing was indeed illegal

Ojuntana:
Your position is wrong. The position of Inspector General in the US is a political appointment not a career appointment. There's nothing in the 1978 laws establishing it that says they must be career civil servants. Go and do your research and stop painting your bias as facts.

The Nigerian system is modelled after the US system and the US has only one AG who is also a political appointee. What exactly is the job of the Minister of Justice different from the Attorney General of the Federation? It is neither here nor there and splitting the offices will ultimately lead to conflict. Besides, if split, will the AGF still be a cabinet position or it will become autonomous? If so, how then will he be able to represent the interests of the government in court when he's not on the cabinet?

MadamExcellency:
Why was James Comey not reinstated? The precedence isn't there and as such what she should advocate is her settlement not disregarding presidential order.

DrAda:
How long do you think it will take before Americans launches a massive protest against Trump?

Wallade:
Nigerians don't read to comprehend. Anyway, let's see if you would read and comprehend this:

Visit https://www.ignet.gov/content/frequently-asked-questions#:~:text=IGs%20are%20appointed%20without%20regard,management%20analysis%2C%20public%20administration%3B%20or

Read frequently asked questions and answers there and then you can come back to this argument.

Again, I say:

IGs are appointed without regard to their political affiliation. The appointment is based on integrity and ability in: accounting, auditing, financial analysis; law, management analysis, public administration......

Inspector General's appointment are not political appointment; they are career appointment even when done by the president. There are laws that protects, guides their appointment and removal.

Ojuntana:
You are writing rubbish bro

Is there any appointment made with regard to political affiliation? Even the AG is expected to be made without regard to political affiliation. What that means is that it is not required that the appointee be a member of a political party or movement before he can be appointed.

It is obvious you misconstrue political appointment to mean an appointment based on political affiliation? No sir. Political appointment simply means an appointment made by a political office holder.

Below is the official definition of a political appointee according to the US government: According to the United States Office of Government Ethics, a political appointee is "any employee who is appointed by the President, the Vice President, or agency head".

Now check and see if the IG's office falls into that category or not

Ojuntana:
You are writing rubbish bro

Is there any appointment made with regard to political affiliation? Even the AG is expected to be made without regard to political affiliation. What that means is that it is not required that the appointee be a member of a political party or movement before he can be appointed.

It is obvious you misconstrue political appointment to mean an appointment based on political affiliation? No sir. Political appointment simply means an appointment made by a political office holder.

Below is the official definition of a political appointee according to the US government: According to the United States Office of Government Ethics, a political appointee is "any employee who is appointed by the President, the Vice President, or agency head".

Now check and see if the IG's office falls into that category or not

DaddyCoool:
But she can still go to court and be reinstated with damages and backpay if the firing was indeed illegal

Wallade:
Read

https://presidentialtransition.org/appointee-resources/ready-to-serve-prospective-appointees/frequently-asked-questions-about-the-political-appointment-process/

What types of political appointments are available in an administration?

Answers are below.

I have provided you a lot of resource materials for research and study to make an informed decision on the argument but you you are stuck with your skewed opinion.



Read this as well:



PAS positions (approximately 1,200 positions): Presidential appointments requiring Senate confirmation. These are the top-level senior positions: Cabinet secretaries, agency heads, deputy secretaries, undersecretaries and assistant secretaries. U.S. marshals and members of certain boards and commissions also require Senate confirmation.
NC-SES positions (approximately 750 positions): The Noncareer Senior Executive Service includes positions classified above the GS-15 level. These positions are just below the top presidential appointees, linking the top officials to the rest of the workforce.
PA positions (approximately 450 positions): Presidential appointments that do not require Senate confirmation. These are senior-level positions, including jobs within the Executive Office of the President such as senior White House aides and advisors.
Schedule C positions (approximately 1,550 positions): Schedule C positions comprise the largest number of political positions. Schedule C refers to the statutory authority for the appointment. Most of these positions are confidential or policy-determining roles at the GS-15 level and lower.

Wallade:
Go back and read all my posts on this subject. I earlier explained political appointment so it is not my fault that you don't read and I don't want to repeat myself on it.

You keep referring to your AGF, the entire ministers, head of parastatal appointments are often political appointments except for some professional agencies. Do you see Comptrollers of agencies appointment go to persons that were never in the career? Only Buhari tried that with Nigeria Customs and it was questioned by ignored but that does not change the fact that it was not proper and that was also why the National Assembly refused to approve the man's appointment. Do you remember?

Did you visit the website that I posted and read the questions and answers? It is not my website, it is USA government website.

Ojuntana:
You are just copying and pasting blindly

How does all these negate the fact the IG is a political appointee

Ojuntana:
Oga all heads of agencies are political appointees regardless of whether they are career people or not. Trump fired James Comey who was a career FBI agent and now installing Kash Patel who has never worked in the FBI. Are you saying that is illegal?

Even in the Nigerian case, Hameed Ali was confirmed as Comptroller General of Customs. Stop typing rubbish abeg

There's nothing in your website that says IG's are not political appointees

Ojuntana:
Oga all heads of agencies are political appointees regardless of whether they are career people or not. Trump fired James Comey who was a career FBI agent and now installing Kash Patel who has never worked in the FBI. Are you saying that is illegal?

Even in the Nigerian case, Hameed Ali was confirmed as Comptroller General of Customs. Stop typing rubbish abeg

There's nothing in your website that says IG's are not political appointees

Wallade:
Do you even do research before you talk, the essence of the research is to prevent you from spewing rubbish like you just did on nairaland.

Again, I insist that the office of an Inspector General in the USA is not a political appointment; it is a career driven appointment. Stop this long note, the guy is right. Take for example, the IG of police here. It's a career based appointment but highly influenced by the president

the Office of the Inspector General (OIG) in the United States is not a political appointment. Instead, the President nominates the Inspector General (IG) for Cabinet-level departments and major agencies, and the Senate confirms the appointment. The IG is appointed based on their integrity and their ability in areas like accounting, auditing, and law.

Explanation:
The IG is a nonpartisan official who leads the OIG, which is responsible for detecting and preventing waste, fraud, and abuse.
The IG's office conducts audits, investigations, and evaluations to recommend policy improvements.
The IG is independent and can't be prevented from conducting audits or investigations by the agency head or deputy.
The IG can be removed from office by the President, but the President must notify both houses of Congress of the reasons for the removal.
The OIG was created in 1978 in response to the Watergate Scandal.

Please research:
https://www.ignet.gov/content/frequently-asked-questions

How are IGs appointed and removed?
IGs are appointed without regard to their political affiliation.
The appointment is based on integrity and ability in:
accounting, auditing, financial analysis;
law, management analysis, public administration; or
investigations.
The President nominates IGs at Cabinet-level departments and major agencies with Senate confirmation. These IGs can only be removed by the President. The agency heads appoint and can remove IGs at designated Federal entities. Both houses of Congress must be notified if an IG is removed by the President or an agency head.

Wallade:
We are talking inspector generals in the USA. I am not talking about heads of agencies. I am not talking about head of FBI.

Wallade:
You see your reference - Trump. He is trying to make what is illegal and not the norm to look
legal. He is trying to pervet the system of government and laws in America and people like you are trying to help him have his way.

Let's see what the judiciary would say to it. Simple.

Wallade:
All that tell you who the political appintees of the President of America can be. Go to google and ask if the position of the Inspector General in the USA is a political appointment? Can you do that?

Again, I insist:

The Inspector General in the USA is not a political appointment. It is a career appointment even when the president has to recommend for approval of the Senate.

Julius1995:
The opinion of a battered Nigerian. Do you not hear that there is protocol? She will go to court and probably be reinstated. What did you mean "the president firer a government employee"? You think this is Nigeria where the president is alpha and omega. Trump is obviously a third world country type leader who finds himself in a country like U.S.

Wallade:
She is a career civil servant, not a political appointee. The executive president of USA can't fire her without justification and briefing the both houses of the Congress in the USA.

She has a good case against the sack. She should go to court.

DaddyCoool:
But she can still go to court and be reinstated with damages and backpay if the firing was indeed illegal

NothingDoMe:
Staying there to constitute civil disobedience at the office is absurd. Sending mails to all the employees that the President didn't follow protocol to fire her so she won't leave.

She is daft. Period.

blowjohn:
The media will cash out like blood money.

Views on Trump run into hundreds of thousands and millions

DaddyCoool:
But she can still go to court and be reinstated with damages and backpay if the firing was indeed illegal