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Truthseeker10:
So you mean that your knowledge is based on what a catholic priest is saying and not the bible?

both!

And the priest can not be a liar

They are the authors.

And all his utterances are words from the Bible. He neither quotes, he speaks it out.

So it’s left for you to go make your research.

From all indications, most Christians are on a long thing then.

Afolue:
both!

And the priest can not be a liar

They are the authors.

And all his utterances are words from the Bible. He neither quotes, he speaks it out.

So it’s left for you to go make your research.

From all indications, most Christians are on a long thing then.

How do you know that all their utterances are from the Bible when you yourself cannot locate the utterance from the Bible?

Afolue:
“with the wisdom God gave him” ! When Paul was arrested who was he asked to go meet? Has Paul and Peter ever met one on one in existence? The answer is No! That is what I mean. Though He speaks out of wisdom, outrightly yes!

Second, Peter never knew Paul by all standards. The proof if from your previous quote. He was hearing of him but he never knew him in person! In which he admitted

I have given a clear explanation of what I mean, from the church which is Jesus Christ to Peter coming down to the present day pope and to the future popes. “ Jesus” is the divine authority here, who passed it on.

Jesus was an ordained prophet even before he was born, Peter never was from the Holy Spirit, it was by Jesus proclamation (chosen) by natural authority as a prophet from birth just as the likes of Samuel, Samson, John the Baptist etc. Remember what Jesus said about Judas iscariot? He was as well ordained. Was it the Holy Spirit that came upon Judas upon betrayal? No!

What does the word ordained mean? Power bestowed upon them by God most high. Why didn’t you mention ordinarily men? It was God using whom he ordained to carry out his ordinance. So it was God who did. Yes! Never did any carried anything on their own accord! So get the difference

Gal.1.18 Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Peter and stayed with him fifteen days.

Yet you wrote, "Has Paul and Peter ever met one on one in existence? The answer is No! That is what I mean."

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"Peter never knew Paul by all standards. The proof if from your previous quote. He was hearing of him but he never knew him in person! In which he admitted"

Gal.2.14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?

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Do you even know what is written in the bible that you claim to teach from?

Afolue:
Jesus knew he was leaving them was when he handed over to Peter. Where he asked him if he truly loved him about 3 times. It was Peter and no one else. . . And that is where the pillar of the Catholic faith stands till date.

Your are the rock and upon the rock I have built the church.

Other men of God are voluntary service. Tis why the steady breakaways. Has the Catholic Church broken till then? No! People only leave and it’s a free will.

Ordination no be beans. God no be small person

oh you are part of that religion called Catholic 🤦

Please try and study the bible and pray to God for the spirit of God to teach you His truth.

gohf:
oh you are part of that religion called Catholic 🤦

Please try and study the bible and pray to God for the spirit of God to teach you His truth.

your words are good. But I will tell you the truth. Nothing as such. These are what these strange men of good use to manipulate ignorant followers of theirs. And what is the result? Chaos and disagreements to claims. Knowledge is knowledge and we should seek for it. All these Jesus Christ and his apostles were never mentioned in the Quran. To them, it’s irrelevant. Jesus was a prophet, that’s all.

gohf:
Gal.1.18 Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Peter and stayed with him fifteen days.

Yet you wrote, "Has Paul and Peter ever met one on one in existence? The answer is No! That is what I mean."

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"Peter never knew Paul by all standards. The proof if from your previous quote. He was hearing of him but he never knew him in person! In which he admitted"

Gal.2.14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?

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Do you even know what is written in the bible that you claim to teach from?

i hope you know that these are different text you are quoting from? I am not countering it in any way neither is it going against what I had said earlier! Still doesn’t matter.

Peter never knew Paul “before” and “during” when he (Paul) claimed he had been arrested by God. And more so, was it Peter who went to Paul or it was Paul who went to Peter? Did Peter ever received any revelations about Paul amongst all revelations he had?
I stated Peter himself knowing Paul first hand (as to he is holding the mantle of leadership) not Paul knowing Peter. Paul knowing Peter is expected.

People say as if, after Jesus had left there weren’t any leader. Peter was the leader of them all and no one else.

Who experienced jail break?
Why didn’t Paul got at Peter the way he did Steven?
That shows God was always with him, just to fulfill his calling... as ordained!

This is why the scriptures of the New Testament is so controversial. Everyone quote their verses that suits their ways and how they want to believe.

When Paul appeared before the believers for the first time, weren’t they scared of interacting with him? Until he had to convince them no to be afraid. If Peter had intervened first hand, wouldn’t that have been a different approach and less fears.

You are just refusing to come in line with my own info.

Now you will end up opening your church, I end up opening my own.

This is just it!

What bible is he reading from?

phosky:
https://eyesoflagos.com/2025/01/29/pastor-david-ibiyeomie-warns-never-take-money-from-senior-pastors-it-reduces-your-blessings/

Oga no want make dem come collect from hin hand. Bwahahahahahahaha!

LordReed:
Oga no want make dem come collect from hin hand. Bwahahahahahahaha!

Its staggering how upfront these guys are about their fraud.
Only religion can give such confidence.
Only in religion can you tell your clients and customers that God told you to steal, to kill, to rape and they will believe you and passionately support you.

THEDEEPSIGHT:
Its staggering how upfront these guys are about their fraud.
Only religion can give such confidence.
Only in religion can you tell your clients and customers that God told you to steal, to kill, to rape and they will believe you and passionately support you.

Truly staggering. And heartbreaking the number of people who are continually hoodwinked into funding these empires called churches. The Catholic Church for instance is the organisation with the largest real estate holding in the world. Truly baffling.

LordReed:
Truly staggering. And heartbreaking the number of people who are continually hoodwinked into funding these empires called churches. The Catholic Church for instance is the organisation with the largest real estate holding in the world. Truly baffling.

Well, since that one has existed for almost 2000 years now, that's not really surprising. And as far as scams go, these days they are conservative compared to the new kids on the block. I mean scams of fleecing members through the prosperity gospel, etc.

THEDEEPSIGHT:
Well, since that one has existed for almost 2000 years now, that's not really surprising. And as far as scams go, these days they are conservative compared to the new kids on the block. I mean scams of fleecing members through the prosperity gospel, etc.

Yeah but what do you think these prosperity churches claim to be using the money to do if not acquiring more real estate.

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Babaibeji2020:
Reading through all your responses....you are sounding very stewpid and foooooolish by the second.
His church is my worship center though I've stopped going there because of most of his financial narratives....
He's talking carelessly of late.
What is wrong with giving? Isn't is said that givers don't lack? Why is he turning the narrative just to suit his interests....?
Late TB Joshua gave to the down trodden in the society. Dont support stupidity because one bros claims to be God's relative....we were all made in His image, hence we can function without most of these pulpit bandits....stop sounding ridiculous......

After reading all my contributions you ended up making a silly reference.. I expect something new not the same old examples


TV Joshua gave bread not blessing


Please don't repaet foolsines on the topic again... More foolish contributions came in and was responded to

Don't go and bring another foolish reference jus to sound different


There is a difference between blessing and miracle or intervention that don't solve your real challenges

Krismas:
So, what Ibieyome is saying in simple terms is, DON'T COLLECT FEEDING FROM SENIOR PASTOR, no matter how hungry u are. Or u will not be blessed.

Collect money for interventions but for blessing die than collect from then


The Bible says that even the one you have will be collected from you... Don't allowanyone collect your destiny using money or half bags of rice and semo


It is not in the entire bible unless you can provide me with one I have not noted before

Themandator:
Collect money for interventions but for blessing die than collect from then


The Bible says that even the one you have will be collected from you... Don't allowanyone collect your destiny using money or half bags of rice and semo


It is not in the entire bible unless you can provide me with one I have not noted before

Gibberish.
I cannot even make a single sense from ur rant above
In ur bid to justify an absurd LIE by Ibiyeomie, ur becoming more and more clownish

Krismas:
Gibberish.
I cannot even make a single sense from ur rant above
In ur bid to justify an absurd LIE by Ibieyome, ur becoming more and more clownish

Oga, state with biblical facts what you belive to be the correct position on his statement


Assumption is the slowest form of knowledge... Don't assume.. Just give fact based contribution

ThothHermes:
Melchizedek blessed Abraham first before he gave him his tithe.

It is not what is the issue but who blessed and who gave?

Who recognises the other as being superior to himself... Anybody that prays for you is your superior.. Not intrcessory prayer but impartation of the blessing prayer

Themandator:
Oga, state with biblical facts what you belive to be the correct position on his statement


Assumption is the slowest form of knowledge... Don't assume.. Just give fact based contribution

U are the one assuming all along.
This is what the crux of d matter is,'Speaking in a recent sermon, Ibiyeomie stressed that receiving money from senior men of God is unscriptural and can actually hinder one’s blessings. Instead, he advised that sowing into the lives of spiritual leaders attracts divine favor and unlocks greater prosperity.

If RECEIVING MONEY FROM SENIOR MEN OF GOD was wrong, then why will senior men of god do such to begin with?
Why will they do what is wrong by giving money?
Abi, can u RECEIVE wot is not GIVEN?
Stick to the point this time and stop ur fake ITK

Themandator:
It is not what is the issue but who blessed and who gave?

Who recognises the other as being superior to himself... Anybody that prays for you is your superior.. Not intrcessory prayer but impartation of the blessing prayer

Acts 21:24
New International Version
Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses , so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.

Paul paid money for some church members.

Acts 13:1-3
Now in the church at Antioch there were prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen (who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch) and Saul. 2 While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” 3 So after they had fasted and prayed, they placed their hands on them and sent them off.



Church members laid hands on Paul

Una own Christianity strong pass bible own

Themandator:
After reading all my contributions you ended up making a silly reference.. I expect something new not the same old examples


TV Joshua gave bread not blessing


Please don't repaet foolsines on the topic again... More foolish contributions came in and was responded to

Don't go and bring another foolish reference jus to sound different


There is a difference between blessing and miracle or intervention that don't solve your real challenges

Brainwashed buffoon...........
One of your kids will certainly look like you Dada G.o at the way your Stewpidity is brewing.........
Men are using you to make money while you are here trying to defend what make you confirm your daft level.......
I'll soon open my ministry to fleece idiotas like you......

Babaibeji2020:
Brainwashed buffoon...........
One of your kids will certainly look like you Dada G.o at the way your Stewpidity is brewing.........
Men are using you to make money while you are here trying to defend what make you confirm your daft level.......
I'll soon open my ministry to fleece idiotas like you......

Rather than provide a single bible based response you go round and round and ends making claims that a 100 years added to your present life you won't be able to fulfil


A foolish person like you cannot handle a microphone in front of a 100 person. The only reason you are bold now is the cover that nairaland gives to your kind






Gave you held a working microphone before?


Do you have a message that can keep educated person down for 5 minutes?

Krismas:
Acts 21:24
New International Version
Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses , so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.

Paul paid money for some church members.

Acts 13:1-3
Now in the church at Antioch there were prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen (who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch) and Saul. 2 While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” 3 So after they had fasted and prayed, they placed their hands on them and sent them off.



Church members laid hands on Paul

Una own Christianity strong pass bible own

Your cognitive support system is very faulty.


The subject matter before you is not about paying for something for somebody


Jesus paid taxes for himself and his Disciples.. That is not what is before you


Taking from them for sustenance, making it a point of duty to go and get from your senior pastor doesn't help your destiny.



The less is blessed by the greater... Heb 7 v 7


If you are going anywhere in life ensure you don't depend on your senior pastors for life support.

Krismas:
U are the one assuming all along.
This is what the crux of d matter is,'Speaking in a recent sermon, Ibiyeomie stressed that receiving money from senior men of God is unscriptural and can actually hinder one’s blessings. Instead, he advised that sowing into the lives of spiritual leaders attracts divine favor and unlocks greater prosperity.

If RECEIVING MONEY FROM SENIOR MEN OF GOD was wrong, then why will senior men of god do such to begin with?
Why will they do what is wrong by giving money?
Abi, can u RECEIVE wot is not GIVEN?
Stick to the point this time and stop ur fake ITK

What exactly is your point. Somebody is admonishing you that this is wrong and you are asking why then should the senior pastor give?


He says don't take from them. Let your eye not be in your senior parties pocket. If it has been there, remove it

Truthseeker10:
In what format is the success measured?

Genesis 27:30-41.



1. Power:



2. Possessions:




3. Place:


4. Posterity


5. God's power:

Truthseeker10:
So who is the greater in the church today?

Unintelligent questions like those of the Pharisees


Please, ask me intelligent questions, I'm trying to reply over 17 mentions

bixton:
You are taking a version of the Bible and interpreting it the way you like.

That which you're saying stems from the bessing of a father to his son. Which every father is expected to do to their children.

It has nothing to do regarding a Pastor and his follower or mentee. That is not what it says there.

The Pastor cannot play the role of a father but a father can play the role of a pastor over his biological children and that is exactly what happened in that which you're describing.


Now, apart from where Scripture talked about the greater blessing the lesser which occured between Melchizedek the King of Salem and Abraham. We can't truly say that blessing was in material things because Abraham was already wealthy and that was the reason why he refused to take from the spoils of war except that 10% he gave to the Prince of Salem. Abraham's men took their portion from the spoils of war as tradition demands then in times of war.
Also note that one of the reasons Melchizedek the King of Salem was mentioned was to let us know before hand that at a particular time, the order of the levitical priesthood will cease to exist and a new order of priests will be called who are not of the house of Levites.


Now, this is what Scripture days as it concerns material things...

Deut.28.12 - The LORD will open to you His good treasure, the heavens, to give the rain to your land in its season, and to bless all the work of your hand. You shall lend to many nations, but you shall not borrow.


Deut.8.18 - "And you shall remember the LORD your God, for it is He who gives you power to get wealth, that He may establish His covenant which He swore to your fathers, as it is this day.

Now, the bolded in the above verses talks about the blessing of material wealth.


Spiritual blessing is completely different from material blessing. Spiritual blessing entails so many things and in some instances it's specific and in accordance to the words of the one who is blessing you.

So, catholics should stop calling their pastors Father.


And Elisha that called Elijah father is wrong.



Blessing is different from being blessed with material possessions.... Possession is a manifestation of the blessing... It is just a proof that you are walking in the blessing


What is the blessing


Spirits that are created by words to follow a person. The same as curse.


The words that I speak to you they are spirit and they are life.


Blessing is not a car or money.. It is a spirit with a mission in your life

bukkani:
Assholes spotted ..I know they will find something to back the shit saying up .. deluded people

Blessing is not free.. Live with this truth, forever


Solomon attracted the blessing on his life by sacrifice not wishing




If you have any sensible contradictory reference from the bible state it




Foolishness is arguing against facts using assumptions and conjectures


Go to your bible, return and tell me that this person did nothing to be blessed... That is how you know that you have conviction



How did Abraham become the father of many nations?

Sacrifice of isaac that was aborted caused God to pronounce the blessing

Osashalom:
Wow...... Thank God we have deep Christians here. Who still refuse to understand after this your Spirit inspired comment should be ignored. Case closed

Thank you, Sir

Themandator:
Unintelligent questions like those of the Pharisees


Please, ask me intelligent questions, I'm trying to reply over 17 mentions

So everyone is equal in the church?

gohf:
Jesus gave bread and fish and not blessing and you that is wise because you want to agree with a thief who says don't collect from your senior pastors, so they should not collect even blessings from them.

In your wisdom which is not from above Abraham paid Melchizedek so that he could receive extra blessings because the Melchizedek in Genesis ALREADY BLESSED ABRAHAM, but you here are saying, or lying that Abraham gave Melchizedek spoils to receive blessings
Thank God you said spoils and not goods from his house.


But the person that needs money should not receive from his pastor who has more money? Continue deceiving yourself and others, everybody will account for their words and actions.

Abrsham was already blessed not with the blessing.



Blessing is different from having material possession


It is your escort spirit through life that is created by the blessing

Blessing is word created

Themandator:
Genesis 27:30-41.



1. Power:



2. Possessions:




3. Place:


4. Posterity


5. God's power:

So who is to give me the blessings in Genesis 27:30-41, my father or a pastor?

People who are poor today, is it because their father did not bless them according to what is recorded in Genesis 27:30-41?