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Mamayam:
✓ Haba! You no be Christian again?

For the umpteenth time blockhead, I am anti-religion.

CanadaOrBust:
✓I assume you agree the universe is some sort of simulation

huh? Simulation for/of what?

Kobojunkie:
What do those passages tell you? Let's start there.

1 Kings 11:29-31
New International Version
29 About that time Jeroboam was going out of Jerusalem, and Ahijah the prophet of Shiloh met him on the way, wearing a new cloak. The two of them were alone out in the country, 30 and Ahijah took hold of the new cloak he was wearing and tore it into twelve pieces. 31 Then he said to Jeroboam, “Take ten pieces for yourself, for this is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘See, I am going to tear the kingdom out of Solomon’s hand and give you ten tribes.


1 Kings 12:20-21
New International Version
20 When all the Israelites heard that Jeroboam had returned, they sent and called him to the assembly and made him king over all Israel. Only the tribe of Judah remained loyal to the house of David.
21 When Rehoboam arrived in Jerusalem, he mustered all Judah and the tribe of Benjamin—a hundred and eighty thousand able young men—to go to war against Israel and to regain the kingdom for Rehoboam son of Solomon.

There they are. So where in 1Kings did you see 9 tribes and Joseph in Judah as you said?

Kobojunkie:
After the original nation of Israel was divided up into two different nations — a northern Israel and a southern Judah— 9 tribes formed the northern nation while 3 tribes formed the southern nation of Judah. This much is revealed in 1 Kings after the death of Solomon.

Helloooo,
We'er still waiting for your answer:
Where in 1 Kings did you see the above?

Kobojunkie:
After the original nation of Israel was divided up into two different nations — a northern Israel and a southern Judah— 9 tribes formed the northern nation while 3 tribes formed the southern nation of Judah. This much is revealed in 1 Kings after the death of Solomon.

We are still patiently waiting sir.
Where in 1 Kings did you see the above or were you lying?

CanadaOrBust:
1 Kings 11:29-31
New International Version
29 About that time Jeroboam was going out of Jerusalem, and Ahijah the prophet of Shiloh met him on the way, wearing a new cloak. The two of them were alone out in the country, 30 and Ahijah took hold of the new cloak he was wearing and tore it into twelve pieces. 31 Then he said to Jeroboam, “Take ten pieces for yourself, for this is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘See, I am going to tear the kingdom out of Solomon’s hand and give you ten tribes.
1 Kings 12:20-21
New International Version
20 When all the Israelites heard that Jeroboam had returned, they sent and called him to the assembly and made him king over all Israel. Only the tribe of Judah remained loyal to the house of David.
21 When Rehoboam arrived in Jerusalem, he mustered all Judah and the tribe of Benjamin—a hundred and eighty thousand able young men—to go to war against Israel and to regain the kingdom for Rehoboam son of Solomon.

There they are. So where in 1Kings did you see 9 tribes and Joseph in Judah as you said?

Is there any chance you will read the rest of the book of 1 Kings or do you intend on only reading those particular verses that you quoted alone?

CanadaOrBust:
➜Helloooo,➜We'er still waiting for your answer:➜Where in 1 Kings did you see the above?

You don't need to wait for me at all for that as you can easily read through the book to learn this for yourself.

Kobojunkie:
Is there any chance you will read the rest of the book of 1 Kings or do you intend on only reading those particular verses that you quoted alone?

Kobojunkie:
You don't need to wait for me at all for that as you can easily read through the book to learn this for yourself.

I have and I don't see any "9 tribes, Joseph in Judah", still I can't imagine you were lying. That's why I want you to show us

CanadaOrBust:
If life were not spiritual you may have a point. But life is SPITLRITUAL and it's been proven over and over, and people have testified endlessly that once they allowed that Spirit in, they no longer even have the desire for that alcohol or drugs or whatever it may be

Interesting that the only "proof" you need is the fervent testimony of people who've abandoned one form of intoxication (drugs, alcohol etc) for another: the intoxication of blind faith.

TheDevilsBride:
Interesting that the only "proof" you need is the fervent testimony of people who've abandoned one form of intoxication (drugs, alcohol etc) for another: the intoxication of blind faith.

There are a million intoxications, how come only "intoxication" with Christ Spirit inevitably works?
No other person tells you to allow them into your heart. With others you worship them and obey their laws

CanadaOrBust:
➜I have and I don't see any "9 tribes, Joseph in Judah", still I can't imagine you were lying. That's why I want you to show us

The temple of God was in Jerusalem and Jerusalem belonged in the nation of Judah. Jeroboam, when he became King decided he would appoint people from all different tribes as priests completely ignoring two things
✹ YHWH had appointed that only Levites could be made priests in the land
✹ Levites had no other inheritance in the land of Israel except that which they obtained through the temple system

In Kings 12, we see that YHWH laid down a curse on the temple that Jeroboam set up in Bethel, yet Jeroboam did not change at all. What do you think the Levites would have done in that case? Remained in the land where they were literally without any real inheritance? Or go back to Jerusalem where they were assured to at least continue to reign in the Temple of God as the only tribe that could be priests there?

Well, their decision is seen as the book progresses as it became that the Levites were again associated with the temple in Judah. We also have record of Levite prophets like Jeremiah who were from the nation of Judah instead of Israel.

The promise that was made by YHWH to Rehoboam was on the condition that he, Jeroboam, would live right. But by chapter 13, we already see that Jeroboam never did as God expected and brought destruction to all of Israel because of his very refusal to make only Levites priests in the land.

Kobojunkie:
For the umpteenth time blockhead, I am anti-religion.

Meaning? Non-denominational?

Kobojunkie:
The temple of God was in Jerusalem and Jerusalem belonged in the nation of Judah. Jeroboam, when he became King decided he would appoint people from all different tribes as priests completely ignoring two things
✹ YHWH had appointed that only Levites could be made priests in the land
✹ Levites had no other inheritance in the land of Israel except that which they obtained through the temple system

In Kings 12, we see that YHWH laid down a curse on the temple that Jeroboam set up in Bethel, yet Jeroboam did not change at all. What do you think the Levites would have done in that case? Remained in the land where they were literally without any real inheritance? Or go back to Jerusalem where they were assured to at least continue to reign in the Temple of God as the only tribe that could be priests there?

Well, their decision is seen as the book progresses as it became that the Levites were again associated with the temple in Judah. We also have record of Levite prophets like Jeremiah who were from the nation of Judah instead of Israel.

The promise that was made by YHWH to Rehoboam was on the condition that he, Jeroboam, would live right. But by chapter 13, we already see that Jeroboam never did as God expected and brought destruction to all of Israel because of his very refusal to make only Levites priests in the land.

Helloooo,
I didn't mention Levites. I said show us with numbered quotation where in 1 Kings you saw "9 tribes with Joseph in Judah"

CanadaOrBust:
➜Helloooo, I didn't mention Levites. I said show us with numbered quotation where in 1 Kings you saw "9 tribes with Joseph in Judah"

So, reading the book to figure out things as you go along is completely out of the question for you. I am afraid you are not going to get a quotation from me saying that actually. It is only through reading and comprehending the events that took place, much the same as you would any other historical write-up that you can grasp this one. If it is not something you are skilled at doing, that is fine.

Kobojunkie:
So, reading the book to figure out things as you go along is completely out of the question for you. I am afraid you are not going to get a quotation from me saying that actually. It is only through reading and comprehending the events that took place, much the same as you would any other historical write-up that you can grasp this one. If it is not something you are skilled at doing, that is fine.

Below is what u wrote VERBATIM and it is not found nor implied anywhere in 1 Kings where u said it is written. Give chapter and verse same way I gave mine
Or are we to conclude you were lying sir?

Here's what you wrote:
9 tribes formed the northern nation while 3 tribes formed the southern nation of Judah. This much is revealed in 1 Kings after the death of Solomon.
In the book of Matthew and John, we are introduced to the fact that the Samaritans— descendants of Joseph— formerly a part of the northern nation of Israel, had a home in the nation of Judah making that 4 tribes living in Judah during the 1st century AD.

CanadaOrBust:
➜Below is what u wrote VERBATIM and it is not found nor implied anywhere in 1 Kings where u said it is written. Give chapter and verse same way I gave mine Or are we to conclude you were lying sir?

Is language comprehension a problem of yours or something? I don't owe you any chapter as what I wrote clearly states that the answer you seek is found by reading the books of 1 Kings, Matthew, and also John where it is revealed that there were 4 tribes in Judah, and not 2, meaning that there were never 10 lost tribes of Israel to begin with. Additionally, the book of 1 Kings 13 also reveals that rather than lost(vanished/disappeared), the people— the 9 tribes of the nation of Israel— were exiled from the land by YHWH, God of Israel. Later on in Isaiah, we learn of how YHWH used the Assyrians to accomplish this.

FYI, If you are not interested in actually reading and comprehending the content of the book for yourself and are looking instead for quotes, you are wasting your time with me.

Kobojunkie:
Is language comprehension a problem of yours or something? I don't owe you any chapter as what I wrote clearly states that the answer you seek is found by reading the books of 1 Kings, Matthew, and also John where it is revealed that there were 4 tribes in Judah, and not 2, meaning that there were never 10 lost tribes of Israel to begin with. Additionally, the book of 1 Kings 13 also reveals that rather than lost(vanished/disappeared), the people— the 9 tribes of the nation of Israel— were exiled from the land by YHWH, God of Israel. Later on in Isaiah, we learn of how YHWH used the Assyrians to accomplish this.

FYI, If you are not interested in actually reading and comprehending the content of the book for yourself and are looking instead for quotes, you are wasting your time with me.

No siree, language is not my problem. To be honest, I'm beginning to suspect you might have been lying.
I've read 1 King inside out and nowhere do I see that 9 tribes formed Northern Kingdom. Infact forget 1 King, nowhere in the whole Bible do I see that. Also, I don't see Joseph mentioned anywhere as living in Judah as Samaritans.

No sir, we have to conclude you were lying - 10 tribes made up the Northern Kingdom not 9, and Joseph was not living in Judah as Samaritans.

CanadaOrBust:
No siree, language is not my problem. To be honest, I'm beginning to suspect you might have been lying.
I've read 1 King inside out and nowhere do I see that 9 tribes formed Northern Kingdom. Infact forget 1 King, nowhere in the whole Bible do I see that. Also, I don't see Joseph mentioned anywhere as living in Judah as Samaritans.

No sir, we have to conclude you were lying - 10 tribes made up the Northern Kingdom not 9, and Joseph was not living in Judah as Samaritans.

When you meet individuals who loves arguing fruitlessly know that such ones are avoiding just one thing: obedience!

There are many who don't understand the word of God so they say and do things that's of no sense but when you present the truth to them they will thank you for helping them to see the light and ask you to tell them where you are getting this life saving information since we all have the same book (Bible) yet there is contradictions everywhere.

Surely there must be a gathering of real believers where there is no confusion as to doctrine and belief! 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3; Colossians 2:2
Such can only be possible when there is willingness to yield to reproof, teaching, correction and training in righteousness {2Timothy 3:16} then each of them will submit to the same line of thought and work together as one team! John 17:22

Kobojunkie is just moving from thread to thread arguing to fight against the spirit of submission so that they can continue in their arrogance claiming they know. If you welcome their ideas you will discover that they have nothing tangible to offer other than REBELLION!

Judaism is itself a complete scam.
That was directly disavowed by YHWH, The LORD IN Hebrew.
GOD IS ENGLISH, THE GRAND ORDER DOMINION. THE CREATION OF KING JAMES.
IN YORUBA CULTURE AND TRADITIONS, GOD IS OLORUN OLODUMARE, GOD THE ALMIGHTY.
WHAT WE ARE SEEKING TO KNOW ARE:-
ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE END.
THE LIGHT, THE LEVERAGE AND THE LIFE.
OUR FEELINGS, OUR THINKINGS AND OUR REASONINGS.
OUR ACTIONS, INTERACTIONS AND MOVEMENTS.
OUR STARTS, ACTIONS AND COMPLETION AND CONCLUSIONS.
ECCLESIASTES 12-13-14 STATES ITS STAGE ACTING.
CHRISTIANITY PROVIDES JESUS AS THE MEANS TO THE END. PRAYER IS THE KEY.
THE END, THE COMPLETION AND CONCLUSIONS ARE ALL IN SPIRIT AT THE JUDGEMENT THRONE.
CHRIST, OUR CHARACTER, ODUDUIWA SHALL BE OUR ADVOCATE AT THAT THRONE OF JUDGEMENT.

JUDAISM IS A LIGHT IN THE WORLD.
CHRISTIANITY IS A LEVERAGE FROM JUDAISM.
THE COMPLETION AND CONCLUSIONS, ETERNAL LIFE OR DAMNATION IS VERY SPIRITUAL AND AFTER JUDGEMENT.
MAY GOD BE THE GLORY.

YOU, SON NA BA BEAST SHALL BE JUDGED.

MaxInDHouse:
When you meet individuals who loves arguing fruitlessly know that such ones are avoiding just one thing: obedience!

There are many who don't understand the word of God so they say and do things that's of no sense but when you present the truth to them they will thank you for helping them to see the light and ask you to tell them where you are getting this life saving information since we all have the same book (Bible) yet there is contradictions everywhere.

Surely there must be a gathering of real believers where there is no confusion as to doctrine and belief! 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3; Colossians 2:2
Such can only be possible when there is willingness to yield to reproof, teaching, correction and training in righteousness {2Timothy 3:16} then each of them will submit to the same line of thought and work together as one team! John 17:22

Kobojunkie is just moving from thread to thread arguing to fight against the spirit of submission so that they can continue in their arrogance claiming they know. If you welcome their ideas you will discover that they have nothing tangible to offer other than REBELLION!

All he has to do is show me: "it says here 9 tribes formed Northern Kingdom and Joseph was living in Judah as Samaritans". That's all.
What would you say is a gathering of true believers and is there only one such gathering?

CanadaOrBust:
All he has to do is show me: "it says here 9 tribes formed Northern Kingdom and Joseph was living in Judah as Samaritans". That's all.
What would you say is a gathering of true believers and is there only one such gathering?

There's a reason why all the nations were against Israel back then in the land of Canaan: only Israel stands out as they worship a God who sets standard which separated them from all other nations!

So the gathering of true believers is also a unique gathering that's noticable for their separation {2Corinthians 6:17} as a group whose faith stands out globally {Matthew 5:14-16} they have the same line of thought {John 17:22; 1 Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3} they don't follow traditions but based their beliefs and doctrines on what the Bible teaches {John 17:17} in everywhere you go people are talking about the love this group have among themselves {John 13:34-35} they takes the preaching and teaching assignments Jesus gave them seriously {Matthew 28:19-20} and as disciples of the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} they don't participate in worldly politics {John 17:14-16} which makes people of all other religions hate them {John 15:19} Jesus has a small group of anointed men whom he has assigned to oversee them {Matthew 24:45} and throughout the earth they are all obedient to these anointed men! Act 2:42

That is the gathering of Holy Ones who are serving as brothers of Christ that he said we must RECOGNIZE {Matthew 25:34-40} he said his father has chosen them to rule with him in heaven! Luke 12:32

CanadaOrBust:
There are a million intoxications, how come only "intoxication" with Christ Spirit inevitably works?

A million intoxications, yet only one is exempt from the scrutiny of evidence.

No other person tells you to allow them into your heart. With others you worship them and obey their laws

...another pointless distinction without a tangible difference. One form of submission is "allowing into your heart", the other is "worship and obedience". Hello, semantics, let me introduce you to sanctimony.

Kobojunkie:
You don't need to wait for me at all for that as you can easily read through the book to learn this for yourself.

Judas1X shut up and repent. You will be writing full paragraphs on Nairaland trying to defend your stupid ideology. How senseless can you be junkie A.K.A Judas1X.

If you don't repent, may you not see the light of the days. May your days be dark and filled with evils.

May you find yourself at the wrong place and at the wrong time. May Evils befall you in your going out and coming in.

You will die misrably and you will be burried as an atheist. Oya jump on your other account and throw your insults Idiót.

Kobojunkie:
Is there any chance you will read the rest of the book of 1 Kings or do you intend on only reading those particular verses that you quoted alone?

A.K.A Judas1X shut up and repent, you infested deranged maggot.

Your woke ideology will not save you when your enemies will arise against you. Only God can save you but you don't even believe in him and that's why you will die misrably. Idiót

Kobojunkie:
Judaism is itself a complete scam that was directly disavowed by YHWH, the God of Israel, so it doesn't matter whatever collaborations may exist between all of these scams. 🙄🙄🙄

You really don't understand anything...it is fruitless tying to explain to you. It will just go in here and come out from the other ear...

CanadaOrBust:
In Christianity you follow Christ, in Judaism you follow laws. In Christianity you allow Christ into your heart and that Spirit automatically directs you. In Judaism you do it by your own.power. Well, we've seen where it led Jews - they've disappeared!

They are very much around. God always makes sure, there are always remnants...

CanadaOrBust:
Thanks.
Different if those Israelites were dominating everywhere today - instead they've disappeared!

They don't proselyte like the Christian do.

CanadaOrBust:
If life were not spiritual you may have a point. But life is SPITLRITUAL and it's been proven over and over, and people have testified endlessly that once they allowed that Spirit in, they no longer even have the desire for that alcohol or drugs or whatever it may be

Life is not spiritual. We are human beings. So the good Lord gave to mankind laws to guide our experience and make it worth our while..

MaxInDHouse:
That's exactly the warning God sounded through Moses:

I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name. Deuteronomy 18:18-19

The Jews rejected Jesus of Nazareth and ever since then their land continued to be invaded until they disappeared.
Today the people claiming Jews in Israel are not related to those who lived there in Jesus' day but people claiming Jews because they practice Judaism.

That's the cause of unending dispute that have lasted for centuries because the real inhabitants has been displaced now their descendants wants to reclaim their land!

The Jews did not reject Jesus. They just don't have any tradition about him. He is no where in their history....it does not matter what the Christian are saying.

orisa37:
JUDAISM IS A LIGHT IN THE WORLD.
CHRISTIANITY IS A LEVERAGE FROM JUDAISM.
THE COMPLETION AND CONCLUSIONS, ETERNAL LIFE OR DAMNATION IS VERY SPIRITUAL AND AFTER JUDGEMENT.
MAY GOD BE THE GLORY.

YOU, SON NA BA BEAST SHALL BE JUDGED.

What do you mean leverage?
Judaism can stand on its own
But Christianity can not.
Christianity was created from mistranslation of the Jewish scriptures.
If you understand anything, you would know that...

sonmvayina:
The Jews did not reject Jesus. They just don't have any tradition about him. He is no where in their history....it does not matter what the Christian are saying.

They surely do but rejected him so God brought all the curses that Moses said upon them.

There nation has been rejected by God and never will they exist as a nation again!