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[/b]While some christains struggle with the convanant of tithing at some point, questioning whether they should choose to tithe or not, i personally have convictions that its an idle thing to do and its works for me.

Biblical verses like:
[b]Leviticus 27:30: “'A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the Lord; it is holy to the Lord.

Numbers 18:26: “Speak to the Levites and say to them: ‘When you receive from the Israelites the tithe I give you as your inheritance, you must present a tenth of that tithe as the Lord’s offering.

So while tithing was believed to be Mosiac law, Abraham tithed, There were one other form of giving to God by saceifice too and i believe if tithing is not an important practice Jesus Christ woundnt have reference to it in Matthew 23:23, Jesus talks to the Pharisees, condemning them for tithing to the penny but neglecting the more important issues of justice, mercy, and faith.

Malachi 3:10 "Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the Lord Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it.
This Is the verse of my concentration while tithing and it works for me anytime i apply the mystery.
Therefor this morning for those of you that also tith, my question is as such:
Can one pay my tith if he can before been asked do so during the course of sunday servce or weekly activites and join to be prayed or recieve pastorial blesdings during the calls of it or it most be declared as the practices were during the sevices time before one can pay and to comeout for prayers?

My concern is most time i feel or if i dont give it immidiately i get shot becomings in view of these verse
Deuteronomy 14:22: “Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year.”
2 Chronicles 31:5: “As soon as the order went out, the Israelites generously gave the first fruits of their grain, new wine, olive oil and honey and all that the fields produced. They brought a great amount, a tithe of everything

Uten9z:
[/b]While some christains struggle with the convanant of tithing at some point, questioning whether they should choose to tithe or not, i personally have convictions that its an idle thing to do and its works for me.

Biblical verses like:
[b]Leviticus 27:30: “'A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the Lord; it is holy to the Lord.

Numbers 18:26: “Speak to the Levites and say to them: ‘When you receive from the Israelites the tithe I give you as your inheritance, you must present a tenth of that tithe as the Lord’s offering.

So while tithing was believed to be Mosiac law, Abraham tithed, There were one other form of giving to God by saceifice too and i believe if tithing is not an important practice Jesus Christ woundnt have reference to it in Matthew 23:23, Jesus talks to the Pharisees, condemning them for tithing to the penny but neglecting the more important issues of justice, mercy, and faith.

Malachi 3:10 "Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the Lord Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it.
This Is the verse of my concentration while tithing and it works for me anytime i apply the mystery.
Therefor this morning for those of you that also tith, my question is as such:
Can one pay my tith if he can before been asked do so during the course of sunday servce or weekly activites and join to be prayed or recieve pastorial blesdings during the calls of it or it most be declared as the practices were during the sevices time before one can pay and to comeout for prayers?

My concern is most time i feel or if i dont give it immidiately i get shot becomings in view of these verse
Deuteronomy 14:22: “Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year.”
2 Chronicles 31:5: “As soon as the order went out, the Israelites generously gave the first fruits of their grain, new wine, olive oil and honey and all that the fields produced. They brought a great amount, a tithe of everything

"My concern is most time i feel or if i dont give it immidiately i get shot becomings" this is because you are under the law and not under God's grace

Just pay your tithes if you believe in it.

Give your money to those who are in sincere in need and stop dashing pastors your hard earned money. God no go bless you for fetching water with basket .

You are blessed to bless the needy

gohf:
"My concern is most time i feel or if i dont give it immidiately i get shot becomings" this is because you are under the law and not under God's grace

I am under the law , what does that even emply ?
Jesus didnt come to abolish the law but to fulfit it, and by His grace we are made perfect.

That by living with grace i dont see why we should not obey or do what the law have instructed us.
If i count myself for instance to be partaker of Abrahmic law why shouldnt i live with the instructions that come with it, atleastst to the best of my abilities

Uten9z:
I am under the law , what does that even emply ?
Jesus didnt come to abolish the law but to fulfit it, and by His grace we are made perfect.

That by living with grace i dont see why we should not obey or do what the law have instructed us.
If i count myself for instance to be partaker of Abrahmic law why shouldnt i live with the instructions that come with it, atleastst to the best of my abilities

what do you understand by abolish a law? Isn't it the one who gives the law that removes such law?

What do you understand by fulfilling a requirement? Isn't it when someone submits themselves and fulfills the requirements?

Now when the requirements are fulfilled, are they still of use? Haven't their purpose been meant?

Of are you saying those laws had no purpose other than what humans give to them?


Is there not a reason that the laws came first through Moses but instead grace and truth came through Jesus? Why do you think Jesus said the scripture and Moses testifies of him?

You write, "That by living with grace i dont see why we should not obey or do what the law have instructed us." Who taught you that? Who lied to you?

To live under grace is to live under the one who fulfilled the law, and that is Jesus and to live under Jesus is to obey the commandments of God. Do you not realize the difference and why Jesus mainly taught we should obey the commandments of God, summed up in loving God and our neighbors. Tell me of which of these commandments does your tithing fall under. Do you even understand and realize the Genesis of the levitical priesthood, a priesthood based upon laws that gives no credit to the priesthood of Jesus for like the author of Hebrews wrote, Moses said nothing about a priest coming from the tribe of Judah, yet Jesus was made our high priest by God, revealed through the psalms.

You said, If you count yourself for instance to be partaker of Abrahmic law why shouldnt you live with the instructions that come with it, atleastst to the best of your abilities.

What is the Abrahamic law? What law did God give Abraham? Is it circumcision? Did you not read the book of Acts, where even that has no place under the new covenant which covers both the circumcized and the uncircumcised?


If you choice to be under the law because of it's benefits then do you diligently to fulfill all part of it, but do not assume yourself to be under the grace of Jesus Christ.

Do you understand what Paul wrote

Gal.3.1 - Oh, foolish Galatians! What magician has cast an evil spell on you? For you used to see the meaning of Jesus Christ's death as clearly as though I had shown you a signboard with a picture of Christ dying on the cross.
Gal.3.2 - Let me ask you this one question: Did you receive the Holy Spirit by keeping the law? Of course not, for the Holy Spirit came upon you only after you believed the message you heard about Christ.
Gal.3.3 - Have you lost your senses? After starting your Christian lives in the Spirit, why are you now trying to become perfect by your own human effort?
Gal.3.4 - You have suffered so much for the Good News. Surely it was not in vain, was it? Are you now going to just throw it all away?
Gal.3.5 - I ask you again, does God give you the Holy Spirit and work miracles among you because you obey the law of Moses? Of course not! It is because you believe the message you heard about Christ.

gohf:
what do you understand by abolish a law? Isn't it the one who gives the law that removes such law?

What do you understand by fulfilling a requirement? Isn't it when someone submits themselves and fulfills the requirements?

Now when the requirements are fulfilled, are they still of use? Haven't their purpose been meant?

Of are you saying those laws had no purpose other than what humans give to them?


Is there not a reason that the laws came first through Moses but instead grace and truth came through Jesus? Why do you think Jesus said the scripture and Moses testifies of him?

You write, "That by living with grace i dont see why we should not obey or do what the law have instructed us." Who taught you that? Who lied to you?

To live under grace is to live under the one who fulfilled the law, and that is Jesus and to live under Jesus is to obey the commandments of God. Do you not realize the difference and why Jesus mainly taught we should obey the commandments of God, summed up in loving God and our neighbors. Tell me of which of these commandments does your tithing fall under. Do you even understand and realize the Genesis of the levitical priesthood, a priesthood based upon laws that gives no credit to the priesthood of Jesus for like the author of Hebrews wrote, Moses said nothing about a priest coming from the tribe of Judah, yet Jesus was made our high priest by God, revealed through the psalms.

You said, If you count yourself for instance to be partaker of Abrahmic law why shouldnt you live with the instructions that come with it, atleastst to the best of your abilities.

What is the Abrahamic law? What law did God give Abraham? Is it circumcision? Did you not read the book of Acts, where even that has no place under the new covenant which covers both the circumcized and the uncircumcised?


If you choice to be under the law because of it's benefits then do you diligently to fulfill all part of it, but do not assume yourself to be under the grace of Jesus Christ.

Do you understand what Paul wrote

Gal.3.1 - Oh, foolish Galatians! What magician has cast an evil spell on you? For you used to see the meaning of Jesus Christ's death as clearly as though I had shown you a signboard with a picture of Christ dying on the cross.
Gal.3.2 - Let me ask you this one question: Did you receive the Holy Spirit by keeping the law? Of course not, for the Holy Spirit came upon you only after you believed the message you heard about Christ.
Gal.3.3 - Have you lost your senses? After starting your Christian lives in the Spirit, why are you now trying to become perfect by your own human effort?
Gal.3.4 - You have suffered so much for the Good News. Surely it was not in vain, was it? Are you now going to just throw it all away?
Gal.3.5 - I ask you again, does God give you the Holy Spirit and work miracles among you because you obey the law of Moses? Of course not! It is because you believe the message you heard about Christ.

I cant argue with your theology or the source havent taken root of your claims in the bible.
What i emphasis strickly to tithing was that if thithin was than valid for us to observe Jesus christ who was made a scrificial lamb for the redeemption of our sin that through grace we can be perfect and obtain favour from God.

Besides Jesus Christ in my on understanding that among many blessing of His sacrifice was to abolish the practice of giving blood sacrifice that that ordenances man have direct access to God as was processed by the priesthood as you mentioned.
Your claim that Jesus instructed us to Love God and our neighbors is simplifing the Moses comandments.
Therefore weather its by law to observe or do the law is also through grace, if you truely have Jesus Christ, grace will enhance your ability to do as the law commanded us if not the bible say in Romans 1:28: “And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient.
Now this is where the Holy Spirit that Jesus Christ promised us , that through him we can be able to discern and do the right things provided in the law.
Dont contradict grace for not doing what is right but doing rightously to obtain favour from God.
Therefore the bible is complete for us to follow and in grace we can obtain favour from God and if tithing will bring favour by grace why not tithe.
Dont forget the bible clearly stated that as the earth remaineth sawing times and havest time will never size.
Besides haven and earth shall passaway but the word of God will not ,which part of it that if not clearly stated should stop?

helinues:
Give your money to those who are in sincere in need and stop dashing pastors your hard earned money. God no go bless you for fetching water with basket .

You are blessed to bless the needy

Thanks but its important we understand that tithing is quit different from giving to the needy which is equally of important and of convanted rewards

Bring all the tithes into the storehouse so there will be enough food in my Temple[i][/i]. If you do,” says the LORD of Heaven's Armies, “I will open the windows of heaven for you. I will pour out a blessing so great you won't have enough room to take it in!

Uten9z:
I cant argue with your theology or the source havent taken root of your claims in the bible.
What i emphasis strickly to tithing was that if thithin was than valid for us to observe Jesus christ who was made a scrificial lamb for the redeemption of our sin that through grace we can be perfect and obtain favour from God.

Besides Jesus Christ in my on understanding that among many blessing of His sacrifice was to abolish the practice of giving blood sacrifice that that ordenances man have direct access to God as was processed by the priesthood as you mentioned.
Your claim that Jesus instructed us to Love God and our neighbors is simplifing the Moses comandments.
Therefore weather its by law to observe or do the law is also through grace, if you truely have Jesus Christ, grace will enhance your ability to do as the law commanded us if not the bible say in Romans 1:28: “And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient.
Now this is where the Holy Spirit that Jesus Christ promised us , that through him we can be able to discern and do the right things provided in the law.
Dont contradict grace for not doing what is right but doing rightously to obtain favour from God.
Therefore the bible is complete for us to follow and in grace we can obtain favour from God and if tithing will bring favour by grace why not tithe.
Dont forget the bible clearly stated that as the earth remaineth sawing times and havest time will never size.
Besides haven and earth shall passaway but the word of God will not ,which part of it that if not clearly stated should stop?

the word of God is Jesus who is the wisdom and power of God to us who believe but foolishness and insufficient to those who do not.

What I wrote to you is Spirit and life and not some theology for you to agree or attempt to argue against. But seeing as you say you cannot argue against it, it wasn't written for you to do such, like I told you, you are under the law and not under grace, so obey all of it.

You say you strick to tithing, but to whom does the very bible tell you to tithe to? The Levites, the poor and the like.

Do you tithe to them?

If you, do you give the full tithe, all three of them?

You say, "through grace we can be perfect and obtain favour from God." So then why do you tithe? You don't need to tell me, but it surely shouldn't be for favor from God right?

But you did write, "if tithing will bring favour by grace why not tithe." Do you now see you are confused do you receive God's favor because of Jesus or because of money?

If it was only just blood sacrifice, then why is circumcision no longer relevant under the new covenant? If your understanding was true you should understand this as well right?

I asked you, well you haven't answered any, but let me ask again, how does your paying tithe translate the obedience to obeying the command from Jesus to love? If you do not even understand that, when why then do you truly do it? You are you serving?

The Holy Spirit wasn't given to you so that you discern which laws of Moses to obey and which you shouldn't, it was given to teach us the word of God and bring to remembrance the teachings of Jesus.

Did you not read when Paul said those law are for sinners, so it cannot be in grace for there is no sin in grace nor room for the laws of Moses.

Who then is contradicting God's grace? Surely not me who depends solely on it.

Look you can either accept the truth Jesus taught or reject it and accept the lies of men, it's your choice and your life.

Uten9z:
Thanks but its important we understand that tithing is quit different from giving to the needy which is equally of important and of convanted rewards

Bring all the tithes into the storehouse so there will be enough food in my Temple[i][/i]. If you do,” says the LORD of Heaven's Armies, “I will open the windows of heaven for you. I will pour out a blessing so great you won't have enough room to take it in!

are your "tithes" in God's storehouses? Have you given them to God or to thieves?

gohf:
are your "tithes" in God's storehouses? Have you given them to God or to thieves?

The churches are the haven embacies on earth, like it or dont, and every church decides what to do with the abondance not church gowers.
Beside stealing isnt new in churcg, Even while with Jesus Christ, Judas was with theif in The Bible account of Judas Iscariot's
John 12:6-7 "He [Judas] did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it."

So its never a new thing, your own is to tithe and give,

Uten9z:
The churches are the haven embacies on earth, like it or dont, and every church decides what to do with the abondance not church gowers.
Beside stealing isnt new in churcg, Even while with Jesus Christ, Judas was with theif in The Bible account of Judas Iscariot's
John 12:6-7 "He [Judas] did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it."

So its never a new thing, your own is to tithe and give,

Judas was not part of them, Jesus knew that from the beginning so not a good example for those den of thieves is it?

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Uten9z:
I am under the law , what does that even emply ?
Jesus didnt come to abolish the law but to fulfit it, and by His grace we are made perfect.

That by living with grace i dont see why we should not obey or do what the law have instructed us.
If i count myself for instance to be partaker of Abrahmic law why shouldnt i live with the instructions that come with it, atleastst to the best of my abilities

Are you obeying the law in Deuteronomy 14:22-27 below?

22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of
thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year
by year. 23 And thou shalt eat before the
LORD thy God, in the place which he shall
choose to place his name there, the tithe of
thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and
the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks;
that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy
God always. 24 And if the way be too long
for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it;
or if the place be too far from thee, which
the LORD thy God shall choose to set his
name there, when the LORD thy God hath
blessed thee: 25 Then shalt thou turn it into
money, and bind up the money in thine
hand, and shalt go unto the place which the
LORD thy God shall choose: 26And thou
shalt bestow that money for whatsoever
thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep,
or for wine, or for strong drink, or for
whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou
shalt eat there before the LORD thy God,
and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine
household, 27 And the Levite that is within
thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him, for he
hath no part nor inheritance with thee.

Briefly Grace vs Works(Tithe)

Grace Emphasized
- Ephesians 2:8-9: "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works."
- Romans 3:24-25: "And are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood."

Works
- Matthew 7:21: "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

These verses highlight the importance of both grace and works in the Christian faith. While we are saved by grace through faith, our faith should also produce good works as evidence of our salvation.

Replying you

*the word of God is Jesus who is the wisdom and power of God to us who believe but foolishness and insufficient to those who do not.*
Rhema is [/b]the spoken word(the Bible) and John 1:1 made us to understand that the word was God.


*[b]But seeing as you say you cannot argue against it, it wasn't written for you to do such, like I told you, you are under the law and not under grace, so obey all of it.*

You are free to think what you wish, but dont smear my understanding into that. The only thing that connect us to Jesus Christ is our been born again and after which all benefit will be bestored on anyone that accept him.) therefor stop humilating people by your view of grace throygh Jesuschrist so that ppl will not be miss lead by that.

*You say you strick to tithing, but to whom does the very bible tell you to tithe to? The Levites, the poor and the like.*
To the house of God so that there will be food. At the time of the choosen tribes Levite were instructed by God to man the activities of the temple but after resurrection the temple tore and we all have acess to hearing from God directly. There for the tithe is to the house of God so that there will be food according to Malachi

*Do you tithe to them?*
I tithe to the place i worship.


*If you, do you give the full tithe, all three of them?* [/b]
How will you know if i dont, you ,just try and start from one.

*[b]You say, "through grace we can be perfect and obtain favour from God." So then why do you tithe? You don't need to tell me, but it surely shouldn't be for favor from God right?*
I tithe in obedience of grace to get favour.

*But you did write, "if tithing will bring favour by grace why not tithe." Do you now see you are confused do you receive God's favor because of Jesus or because of money?*
Even the unbelievers know that if at the end of year they give out one10th of their earnings to attracts favour. The mystery of tithing and giving for its benefits are not just biblical stop justifying your disobedience

*If it was only just blood sacrifice, then why is circumcision no longer relevant under the new covenant? If your understanding was true you should understand this as well right?*
Who lied to you thst circumcision is not longer invoked as a christain?. Beside what i said was *amongs other* [/b]benefits, not just salvation.


*[b]I asked you, well you haven't answered any, but let me ask again, how does your paying tithe translate the obedience to obeying the command from Jesus to love? If you do not even understand that, when why then do you truly do it? You are you serving?*
If you love God you need to do what he expect of you, for the kingdom of God to thrive on earth there are lied down instructions and laws for us to observe to do.
*Luke 6 46*[/b] “Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say? 47 As for everyone who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice, I will show you what they are like. 48 They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock.

*[b]The Holy Spirit wasn't given to you so that you discern which laws of Moses to obey and which you shouldn't, it was given to teach us the word of God and bring to remembrance the teachings of Jesus.*
How is what you said now so different from my point.

*Did you not read when Paul said those law are for sinners, so it cannot be in grace for there is no sin in grace nor room for the laws of Moses.*
Dont mis-interprete Apostle Paul please, He said in letter to the Romance in 3:23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.
So dont even start.

*Who then is contradicting God's grace? Surely not me who depends solely on it.*
Surely you who want to justify his habit by selecting biblical cortations of verses to make his claim.

*Look you can either accept the truth Jesus taught or reject it and accept the lies of men, it's your choice and your life.*
I will leave you with thesame advice.

gohf:
Judas was not part of them, Jesus knew that from the beginning so not a good example for those den of thieves is it?

Mention the 12 Appostles of Jesus Christ

Truthseeker10:
Are you obeying the law in Deuteronomy 14:22-27 below?

22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of
thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year
by year. 23 And thou shalt eat before the
LORD thy God, in the place which he shall
choose to place his name there, the tithe of
thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and
the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks;
that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy
God always. 24 And if the way be too long
for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it;
or if the place be too far from thee, which
the LORD thy God shall choose to set his
name there, when the LORD thy God hath
blessed thee: 25 Then shalt thou turn it into
money, and bind up the money in thine
hand, and shalt go unto the place which the
LORD thy God shall choose: 26And thou
shalt bestow that money for whatsoever
thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep,
or for wine, or for strong drink, or for
whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou
shalt eat there before the LORD thy God,
and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine
household, 27 And the Levite that is within
thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him, for he
hath no part nor inheritance with thee.

I can tell you that i do tithe the one10th of my of my income the best i can and am not perfect on them, reason why i made this post.

But in your questions : can i as well ask you do you need the Levites to still interseed on your behave?

Uten9z:
I can tell you that i do tithe the one10th of my of my income the best i can and am not perfect on them, reason why i made this post.

But in your questions : can i as well ask you do you need the Levites to still interseed on your behave?

Oga do you tithe exactly as that law in Deuteronomy 14:22-17 state? If not, you are not Obeying the tithing law.

Uten9z:
Briefly Grace vs Works(Tithe)

Grace Emphasized
- Ephesians 2:8-9: "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works."
- Romans 3:24-25: "And are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood."

Works
- Matthew 7:21: "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

These verses highlight the importance of both grace and works in the Christian faith. While we are saved by grace through faith, our faith should also produce good works as evidence of our salvation.

so tell us how does your tithing serve as an evidence of your salvation?

I asked you before how does tithing obey the command to love you didn't answer at least answer this one above, instead of twisting the scripture to fit your narrative. Is the will of God for you to pay Him for blessings and favor?

Uten9z:
Briefly Grace vs Works(Tithe)


*the word of God is Jesus who is the wisdom and power of God to us who believe but foolishness and insufficient to those who do not.*
Rhema is [/b]the spoken word(the Bible) and John 1:1 made us to understand that the word was God.


*[b]But seeing as you say you cannot argue against it, it wasn't written for you to do such, like I told you, you are under the law and not under grace, so obey all of it.*

You are free to think what you wish, but dont smear my understanding into that. The only thing that connect us to Jesus Christ is our been born again and after which all benefit will be bestored on anyone that accept him.) therefor stop humilating people by your view of grace throygh Jesuschrist so that ppl will not be miss lead by that.

you think it's my personal thoughts I have been sharing, you really lack knowledge of the word of God and the power of God. Telling you to obey all the law is that how your understanding is smeared or why you feel humiliated.

Those God loves He corrects but will you accept His correction or go after your own form of righteousness. If you accuse one of misleading others should you not show how much a person is doing so.

Uten9z:
Briefly Grace vs Works(Tithe)



*You say you strick to tithing, but to whom does the very bible tell you to tithe to? The Levites, the poor and the like.*
To the house of God so that there will be food. At the time of the choosen tribes Levite were instructed by God to man the activities of the temple but after resurrection the temple tore and we all have acess to hearing from God directly. There for the tithe is to the house of God so that there will be food according to Malachi

I asked you a simple question who does the bible tell you to tithe to? You admit it's to the Levites but you say it was before. Okay, so who does the bible tell you to pay to the to NOW? Especially in the new testament a commandment from Jesus

*Do you tithe to them?*
I tithe to the place i worship.


*If you, do you give the full tithe, all three of them?* [b][/b]
How will you know if i dont, you ,just try and start from one.

look you claim to obey Malachi which you do not understand which says ALL you tithe yet you claim to do only one, wow, can you say you obey according to that same Malachi? Is where you worship, God's storehouse?

Uten9z:
Briefly Grace vs Works(Tithe)



*You say, "through grace we can be perfect and obtain favour from God." So then why do you tithe? You don't need to tell me, but it surely shouldn't be for favor from God right?*
I tithe in obedience of grace to get favour.

*But you did write, "if tithing will bring favour by grace why not tithe." Do you now see you are confused do you receive God's favor because of Jesus or because of money?*
Even the unbelievers know that if at the end of year they give out one10th of their earnings to attracts favour. The mystery of tithing and giving for its benefits are not just biblical stop justifying your disobedience

so your god will prosper the wicked because they pay him money to do so?
well your god collects money from you so as to favor you. that god is mammon

For Jehovah gives me grace through His son Jesus Christ, and not through giving Him money but by obeying Him by loving others, feeding them and giving them water, clothing them and the like

*If it was only just blood sacrifice, then why is circumcision no longer relevant under the new covenant? If your understanding was true you should understand this as well right?*
Who lied to you thst circumcision is not longer invoked as a christain?. Beside what i said was *amongs other* [/b]benefits, not just salvation.

you ask who lied to me? I haven't quoted much from the bible because I perceive you are ignorant of what is actually written there, have you never read acts 15
Gal.5.2 Listen! I, Paul, tell you this: If you are counting on circumcision to make you right with God, then Christ cannot help you.
Titus.1.10 For there are many who rebel against right teaching; they engage in useless talk and deceive people. This is especially true of those who insist on circumcision for salvation.

*[b]I asked you, well you haven't answered any, but let me ask again, how does your paying tithe translate the obedience to obeying the command from Jesus to love? If you do not even understand that, when why then do you truly do it? You are you serving?*
If you love God you need to do what he expect of you, for the kingdom of God to thrive on earth there are lied down instructions and laws for us to observe to do.
*Luke 6 46* “Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say? 47 As for everyone who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice, I will show you what they are like. 48 They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock.

did God tell you to listen to Moses and the prophets or to Jesus?
Did Jesus command you to tithe?

*The Holy Spirit wasn't given to you so that you discern which laws of Moses to obey and which you shouldn't, it was given to teach us the word of God and bring to remembrance the teachings of Jesus.*
How is what you said now so different from my point.

*Did you not read when Paul said those law are for sinners, so it cannot be in grace for there is no sin in grace nor room for the laws of Moses.*
Dont mis-interprete Apostle Paul please, He said in letter to the Romance in 3:23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.
So dont even start.

1Tim.1.5-9
The purpose of my instruction is that all the Christians there would be filled with love that comes from a pure heart, a clear conscience, and sincere faith. But some teachers have missed this whole point. They have turned away from these things and spend their time arguing and talking foolishness. They want to be known as teachers of the law of Moses, but they don't know what they are talking about, even though they seem so confident. We know these laws are good when they are used as God intended. But they were not made for people who do what is right. They are for people who are disobedient and rebellious, who are ungodly and sinful, who consider nothing sacred and defile what is holy, who murder their father or mother or other people.

You really do lack knowledge of what was written

*Who then is contradicting God's grace? Surely not me who depends solely on it.*
Surely you who want to justify his habit by selecting biblical cortations of verses to make his claim.

*Look you can either accept the truth Jesus taught or reject it and accept the lies of men, it's your choice and your life.*
I will leave you with thesame advice.

Continue, it's your life and your soul

I want want to know if you fast and pray.
If you do, what exactly do want by doing so?

If you dont, i now will believe how believe works for you.

gohf:
so your god will prosper the wicked because they pay him money to do so?
well your god collects money from you so as to favor you. that god is mammon

For Jehovah gives me grace through His son Jesus Christ, and not through giving Him money but by obeying Him by loving others, feeding them and giving them water, clothing them and the like

you ask who lied to me? I haven't quoted much from the bible because I perceive you are ignorant of what is actually written there, have you never read acts 15
Gal.5.2 Listen! I, Paul, tell you this: If you are counting on circumcision to make you right with God, then Christ cannot help you.
Titus.1.10 For there are many who rebel against right teaching; they engage in useless talk and deceive people. This is especially true of those who insist on circumcision for salvation.


did God tell you to listen to Moses and the prophets or to Jesus?
Did Jesus command you to tithe?

1Tim.1.5-9
The purpose of my instruction is that all the Christians there would be filled with love that comes from a pure heart, a clear conscience, and sincere faith. But some teachers have missed this whole point. They have turned away from these things and spend their time arguing and talking foolishness. They want to be known as teachers of the law of Moses, but they don't know what they are talking about, even though they seem so confident. We know these laws are good when they are used as God intended. But they were not made for people who do what is right. They are for people who are disobedient and rebellious, who are ungodly and sinful, who consider nothing sacred and defile what is holy, who murder their father or mother or other people.

You really do lack knowledge of what was written


Continue, it's your life and your soul

Do you fast and pray?
If not i can understand with you but if you do why , and how can you justify it with all this your theology on grace?

Uten9z:
Do you fast and pray?
If not i can understand with you but if you do why , and how can you justify it with all this your theology on grace?

Noah found grace and built an ark. What do you think grace is

[quote author=gohf post=134072703]Noah found grace and built an altar. What do you think grace is[/quoute]

Finally i know who you truely are;
You need Christ in your life, you have to be born again.

[quote author=Uten9z post=134072789][/quote]whether a person fasts or prays is not your priority you are not God na.

Is it you that we approach 😁
Heb.4.16 So let us come boldly to the throne of our gracious God. There we will receive his mercy, and we will find grace to help us when we need it.

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