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LordReed:
Yes I do.

THEDEEPSIGHT:
Do you not have dreams that you know did not arise from any possible experience of your waking world?

Truthseeker10:
Bible verse please.

THEDEEPSIGHT:
Indeed, and that's fair enough, but it must occur to you that all you know of your existence on this plane is that one day you just opened your eyes and found yourself here. If nothing else, this should leave you open to the vast possibilities that may exist regarding your holistic existence. For as you just opened your eyes one day and found yourself here - without creating yourself, without doing anything for it, and with no prior memory - you should at least suspect that you could also open your eyes somewhere else one day and find yourself there with no prior memory as well.

Truthseeker10:
What of the soul sir?

LordReed:
There was a process that got me here that I can explore and investigate. Until I get a similar process that I can investigate and explore that demonstrates that consciousness survives or is separate from the body then I have no reason to think so.

Truthseeker10:
Good and bad people go to hell when they die.

Ecclesiastics 9:10.

Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it
earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell,
whither thou art hastening

Catholic Public Domain Version
Whatever your hand is able to do, do it
earnestly. For neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge will exist in death,
toward which you are hurrying

THEDEEPSIGHT:
You were not aware of that process when it happened. If it repeats itself elsewhere, you will most likely also not be aware of it.
What this points to is a machinery existing beyond your consciousness which activates both you and your reality.

LordReed:
It doesn't matter if I witnessed my own birth, I have witnessed the birth of my own child and seen her development, that is sufficient evidence. There was no other machinery that brought my child into existence.

THEDEEPSIGHT:
Interesting. Very very interesting. So, you, who still cannot decipher how creatures evolved into sexual reproduction, and has no memory of his own development in a womb, is self satisfied to say that since he has seen the birth of a child, he knows the whole process?

LordReed:
LoLz. Was my development in the womb different from the development of my child in the womb? A resounding no. My mother was impregnated by my father and she carried the resulting fetus for 9 months before my birth. Same way I impregnated my wife and she carried the resulting fetus for 9 months before my child's birth. These are clear cut processes. Find me a clear cut process to show there is consciousness without brain and body, simple.

What has the evolution of the sexes got to do with this? Nothing that I can see.

THEDEEPSIGHT:
It seems my point about how your memory is closed to any pre-existence is lost on you. This goes way beyond the womb. Remember I asked how you know this is the first brain and body you have had. I was simply asking how you know this is your first life. or your first time being born into a body.

As I said, if you have no memory of a past life while here, and only opened your eyes one day and saw your self here, how do you know that cant happen again - while you would have no memory of this current life you are living?

Reed, it has everything to do with it. You seemed to suggest that your observation of the process of pregnancy and birth resolves conclusively the mystery of how beings come into the world via sex. Have you dared to ask your self how the sexual process itself came about? In doing so -

1. Remember that as per evolution, we first had unicellular life which reproduced asexually. Where and how did sexual reproduction evolve.

2. Have a look at this thread -

https://www.nairaland.com/1571602/evolution-sexes-sexxual-reproduction

- and specifically my 12 posers in this post -

https://www.nairaland.com/1571602/evolution-sexes-sexxual-reproduction#20521482

LordReed:
Not going to go in circles, this has been asked and answered.

When are you going to show me a process I can investigate and explore that shows that consciousness is not a product of brain and body? If you cannot answer this question then there's nothing further to discuss.

Wrong. It has nothing to do with it because we are discussing my existence. I came about by the human reproductive process I already laid out which is of course occurring far past when the sexes emerged. Besides not know how the sexes evolved doesn't show in anyway that consciousness is not a product of brain and body.

tctrills:
So many but let's start with one. Hebrews 11:13-16
Reminds us that we are pilgrims on the earth.

1 Peter 2:11 stresses the same

THEDEEPSIGHT:
Oh it is partly, but the evidence shows that (1) it is not the entirety and (2) the physical is a conveyor tool for it, not the origin of it.



Its relevance arose from your claim to know all there is to the sexual process of your birth.

Bahamas95:
Something in me always tell me there's life after death, that after we close our eyes here we open them somewhere else.


Don't know if it's true sha, I'll confirm it when I die.

fuckJones:
what do you understand by this verse in the bible?
Ecclesiastes 9:5

Yes, the living know they are going to die, but the dead know nothing. They have no further reward; they are completely forgotten.

LordReed:
Are you going to show me a process I can investigate and explore that shows that consciousness is not a product of brain and body?

THEDEEPSIGHT:
You will have to be ready to explore processes which you have blocked your mind to, and once your mind is blocked to those processes, they automatically become impossible to you, beacause they work with certain astral, mental and thought frequencies as well. Those processes include certain kinds of meditation, lucid dreaming, astral travel and out of body experiences.

THEDEEPSIGHT:
You were not aware of that process when it happened. If it repeats itself elsewhere, you will most likely also not be aware of it.
What this points to is a machinery existing beyond your consciousness which activates both you and your reality.

TheDevilsBride:
I'm sorry but you lost me here. This machinery you've alluded to seems more like a placeholder, a needless deus ex machina, that you've conjured out of thin air, to explain the inexplicable, without providing any actual explanation to quell any skepticism.

THEDEEPSIGHT:
Touche, @ "deus ex machina" - nice one.
I'm afraid I dont think anything I say - however logical - can convince most skeptics.

TheDevilsBride:
I don't believe. I don't think we can have access to any such information at the moment, and I'm skeptical of people that think they do.

THEDEEPSIGHT:
Touche, @ "deus ex machina" - nice one.
I'm afraid I dont think anything I say - however logical - can convince most skeptics.

THEDEEPSIGHT:
I also dont believe anyone knows what happens at death, and if anything happens at all, it could be as varied as reincarnation or the harvesting of our energies as food for some strange extra terrestial entities.

However, that we are more than physical alone seems to me apparent to the reflective mind.

TheDevilsBride:
I'm sorry, just a little curious, but why do you think, you can't convince most skeptics, with your propositions, "however logical"?

TheDevilsBride:
I'm sorry, just a little curious, but why do you think, you can't convince most skeptics, with your propositions, "however logical"?

TheDevilsBride:
Perhaps you're right. But absent any evidence, I don't suppose anyone here is obliged to take you seriously.

tctrills:
I will explain it but first we learn from the bible that we all are pilgrims. Who is a pilgrim. It's someone who comes from somewhere to a new Place, stays for a while and returns home.
Now to the verse you quoted, that could only refer to the dead body and not the eternal spirit of man. The spirit doesn't die.
Have I answered your question?

THEDEEPSIGHT:
I have been on this forum for 16 years. This is not my usual profile. This is -

https://www.nairaland.com/deepsight

Believe me, there is almost nothing we have not discussed and no angle we have not explored over the years. It is rare to come across any adult who changes thier mind on existential matters.

Here, is perhaps a summary of my thinking.

https://www.nairaland.com/404066/essentials-deism