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Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by Kobojunkie: 4:37pm On Feb 03, 2025
GiftofGod77:
➜ Well its not useless at all because there are many who rely on it and it works perfectly well.
➜Why i mentioned that my neighbour's experience is because it highlight's the will and choice we have to make in life which we will be held accountable by the One who made us one day.
It is a mind thing true but the mind has to make a choice based on the kind of information it has. Even the Buddhist's too fall despite their celibacy because it is a human weakness to want to fall into sexual sin.
➜ However there is enough power to overcome in the Grace provided by God. It has happened to me several years ago. I agree with you that the young man who would hurt himself to curtail his body was engaging in sadistic sadomachism albeit unknowingly but the Grace is still there. It works for those who believe in it and obey it.
It's not useless but it has not been of any use to Christians from their beginning. Since the day I was born, to this very day, I cannot point out a single Christian for whom this grace thing has worked. Absolutely no difference exists between those who claim to be Christians and those who worship other gods and idols. So, how can a thing that works perfectly well be at the same time nowhere to be found among those who claim it works for them? undecided

2. We are talking of A but you already flew off to B? Why? 🙄🙄🙄

3. The mind does not need so much information to decide on self-discipline. And no, Buddhists do not fall as much as much as Christians do. The term hypocrisy is used more in connection with Christians than Buddhists, and there is real reason for this. 🙄🙄🙄

4. Again, with this useles grace thing that you Christians have yet to show to be a real thing. Christianity is wrought with people who fail to meet up to the standards preached by tyheir very own religion on a daily basis. Your pastors, popes, prophets, gods of men, etc. fall every single day yet you lot continue to claim that some thing you call grace is what keeps you from failing the very standard set for you all by your gods of men. If your gods of men themselves have not been helped by this grace thing, how will this grace thing help you lot? Whenhuh
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by Kobojunkie: 4:40pm On Feb 03, 2025
GiftofGod77:
➜Christianity is not chauvinistic at all. It seems like that because of wrong perception.
➜But believe me it's not if not I would not be engaged actively and stake my life and family in it. It shows us the True nature of where we come from, where we are and where we are going. It guides and shows us our true Source and Way we all need to follow. All other paths are not like this one.
The evidence speaks greatly for itself. Christianity is a chauvinistic religion much like Judaism and Islam. undecided

2. I don't believe you! undecided
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by Kobojunkie: 4:42pm On Feb 03, 2025
GiftofGod77:
➜Its not true @ kobojunkie...come on now... you know it's not true. While we are religious but some of us are spiritual and religious. It's why we are in this for life and eternity. The Wisdom, philosophy and logic God gives even through His Son Jesus Christ can never be contested and like i said earlier it gives light, life and direction. Check it out ... smiley
Nonsense! Stop spewing meaningless religious gobbledegook abeg! undecided

Even Jesus Christ of Israel claims He does not know you nor does His Father, YHWH, God of Israel. They both said their only inheritance in the land of men is the descendants of Jacob — the blood descendants of the man that YHWH Himself gave the name Israel to. So, stop spewing trash abeg! undecided
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by Abbeytoy(m): 5:13pm On Feb 03, 2025
Kobojunkie:
As far as I can remember, Virginity was not even a standard anymore even in the 1980s Nigeria. So, where in the world is this standard you quote of value? In your mind? undecided

From where I sit, it does not matter whether a one married as a virgin or a hoe since infidelity and life's suffering happens to all of them the same. So, these petty preferences mean absolutely nothing at the end of the day. That is what life teaches us all. Of course, those of you who choose denial out of fear either dig yourselves deeper or you finally accept reality as it presents itself eventually.😁
Feel free to be a hoe and no one will beat you for it, but don't discourage or try to recruit people into your wayward life.
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by Kobojunkie: 5:15pm On Feb 03, 2025
Abbeytoy:
➜Feel free to be a hoe and no one will beat you for it, but don't discourage or try to recruit people into your wayward life.
I am not here to discourage or encourage anything in their decisions as far as what is their body and life after all. I am here to ensure we at all stick to the facts as far as our claims and do not mislead people with lies like you and many of the others who operate under your same delusion continue to. 🙄🙄

Whether a virgin or a hoe, the fact on the ground is that relationship failures, infidelity, and all other walls that life has to throw happen to them all equally. tongue
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by GiftofGod77(m): 5:16pm On Feb 03, 2025
Kobojunkie:
Nonsense! Stop spewing meaningless religious gobbledegook abeg! undecided

Even Jesus Christ of Israel claims He does not know you nor does His Father, YHWH, God of Israel. They both said their only inheritance in the land of men is the descendants of Jacob — the blood descendants of the man that YHWH Himself gave the name Israel to. So, stop spewing trash abeg! undecided
Good day @Kobokunkie and I pray all is well with you. I respect your right and opinion as to what you have been exposed to and I will never insult or denigrate you or anyone at all because it is not in my character and it will never profit me. So I leave you on this topic to your own interpretations and perceptions as to the Faith God wrought in Christ and the Mystery of the Cross where my Lord and Saviour laid down His life for All those who come to Him. I pray and wish you well as me and my family will ever remain steadfast, rooted, unshakable and immovable always giving thanks for what God did through His Son Jesus Christ. smiley smiley smiley
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by Kobojunkie: 5:17pm On Feb 03, 2025
GiftofGod77:
➜Good day @... and I pray all is well with you. I respect your right and opinion as to what you have been exposed to and I will never insult or denigrate you or anyone at all because it is not in my character and it will never profit me. So I leave you on this topic to your own interpretations and perceptions as to the Faith God wrought in Christ and the Mystery of the Cross where my Lord and Saviour laid down His life for All those who come to Him. I pray and wish you well as me and my family will ever remain steadfast, rooted, unshakable and immovable always giving thanks for what God did through His Son Jesus Christ. smiley smiley smiley
What I stated is not an opinion but a 2000-year-old fact. You and I met that fact and we will both leave this world but that fact will remain. Therefore, any claim that contradicts that fact is an outright lie. undecided
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by GiftofGod77(m): 5:20pm On Feb 03, 2025
Kobojunkie:
The evidence speaks greatly for itself. Christianity is a chauvinistic religion much like Judaism and Islam. undecided

2. I don't believe you! undecided
Evidence speaks to the contrary that it is not chauvinistic at all. It is why it has shaped and greatly impacted the course of all history and even eternity. Of course you are free to believe what you feel is right. It's a free world where anyone can believe whatever they want to while life still lasts...
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by Kobojunkie: 5:24pm On Feb 03, 2025
GiftofGod77:
➜Evidence speaks to the contrary that it is not chauvinistic at all.
➜It is why it has shaped and greatly impacted the course of all history and even eternity. Of course you are free to believe what you feel is right. It's a free world where anyone can believe whatever they want to while life still lasts...
Stop lying! 🙄
Chau·vin·is·tic

➜displaying excessive or prejudiced support for one's own cause or group, in particular showing male prejudice against women.
➜feeling or displaying aggressive or exaggerated patriotism.
Christianity relegates women to second-class status. This is part and parcel of the core doctrines of the religion.

Even Islam can also claim it shaped and greatly impacted the course of history but we equally know that impact has many negatives. 🙄 🙄 🙄
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by GiftofGod77(m): 5:30pm On Feb 03, 2025
Kobojunkie:
It's not useless but it has not been of any use to Christians from their beginning. Since the day I was born, to this very day, I cannot point out a single Christian for whom this grace thing has worked. Absolutely no difference exists between those who claim to be Christians and those who worship other gods and idols. So, how can a thing that works perfectly well be at the same time nowhere to be found among those who claim it works for them? undecided

2. We are talking of A but you already flew off to B? Why? 🙄🙄🙄

3. The mind does not need so much information to decide on self-discipline. And no, Buddhists do not fall as much as much as Christians do. The term hypocrisy is used more in connection with Christians than Buddhists, and there is real reason for this. 🙄🙄🙄

4. Again, with this useles grace thing that you Christians have yet to show to be a real thing. Christianity is wrought with people who fail to meet up to the standards preached by tyheir very own religion on a daily basis. Your pastors, popes, prophets, gods of men, etc. fall every single day yet you lot continue to claim that some thing you call grace is what keeps you from failing the very standard set for you all by your gods of men. If your gods of men themselves have not been helped by this grace thing, how will this grace thing help you lot? Whenhuh
Again in line with what you said, the fact that since you were born you have not seen anyone who has benefitted from grace does not vitiate or mitigate the fact that many including me are products of God's grace as amply shown and manifested through Christ Jesus. 2. I am sorry if you feel I jumped a topic to another as I am human and can make mistakes. Please let me know what I skipped or did not answer you well based on my little knowledge or experience in life. It's true there are many hypocrites in every association of people but it does not reduce the fact that there are faithful people because with God all things are possible including making men and women who genuinely fear and walk in His ways. Lastly yes we fall constantly but rise because of the Grace provided in Christ. Also if not for this Grace, that seems useless to you, a wretched sinner and fool that I was would not be alive today and be responsible for so many things and people. My God is the One who created the Heavens and the earth and all things. The Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. I never worship anyone and we don't as believer's in Christ.
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by Kobojunkie: 5:36pm On Feb 03, 2025
GiftofGod77:
➜Again in line with what you said, the fact that since you were born you have not seen anyone who has benefitted from grace does not vitiate or mitigate the fact that many including me are products of God's grace as amply shown and manifested through Christ Jesus. 2. I am sorry if you feel I jumped a topic to another as I am human and can make mistakes. Please let me know what I skipped or did not answer you well based on my little knowledge or experience in life.
➜It's true there are many hypocrites in every association of people but it does not reduce the fact that there are faithful people because with God all things are possible including making men and women who genuinely fear and walk in His ways.
Lastly yes we fall constantly but rise because of the Grace provided in Christ. Also if not for this Grace, that seems useless to you, a wretched sinner and fool that I was would not be alive today and be responsible for so many things and people.
➜My God is the One who created the Heavens and the earth and all things. The Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. I never worship anyone and we don't as believer's in Christ
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1. Prove you have benefited from this grace thing as you claim.🙄

2. I didn't say one or two hypocrites but all hypocrites. Christianity is a religion of hypocrisies. What they say is NEVER what they do. There is a saying that action speaks louder than words and religion is it; Christianity is one of them. 🙄

3. If according to you, your fall is constant then what that means is that your rise is merely a delusion probably born of your constant fallen state. 🙄

4. Spare me the meaningless religious gobbledegook! 🙄
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by GiftofGod77(m): 5:39pm On Feb 03, 2025
Kobojunkie:
Stop lying! 🙄
Christianity relegates women to second-class status. This is part and parcel of the core doctrines of the religion.

Even Islam can also claim it shaped and greatly impacted the course of history but we equally know that impact has many negatives. 🙄 🙄 🙄
With all due respect am not lying. Enshrined in the Scriptures is the fact that we are both co or joint heirs to the salvation that was got for us at such a priceless cost. However, what you might miss interpret with Christianity with respect to womanhood is pertaining to roles. And even at that many women became leaders and even attained the nadir or zenith of their professions. It is just a misinterpretation and not a plot to subjugate the woman. Her role is simply spelt out alongside the roles of men. I can understand that there are many men and women who are not spiritually matured to become like Christ but they exist by the grace of God. Lastly the key to greatness for men or women is to obey the instructions given by God.
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by Kobojunkie: 5:44pm On Feb 03, 2025
GiftofGod77:
➜With all due respect am not lying. Enshrined in the Scriptures is the fact that we are both co or joint heirs to the salvation that was got for us at such a priceless cost.
➜However, what you might miss interpret with Christianity with respect to womanhood is pertaining to roles.
➜And even at that many women became leaders and even attained the nadir or zenith of their professions. It is just a misinterpretation and not a plot to subjugate the woman. Her role is simply spelt out alongside the roles of men. I can understand that there are many men and women who are not spiritually matured to become like Christ but they exist by the grace of God. Lastly the key to greatness for men or women is to obey the instructions given by God.
That is an outright lie because what is instead enshrined is that only those who are of the bloodline of Jacob can benefit from the Mercy of David via Jesus Christ of Israel. undecided

2. The claim made by Jesus Christ to His followers is presented in plain text so no interpretation is necessary. undecided

3. They are only able to become "leaders" after those core tenets of the religion are bent to suit the particular situation. This partly explains why the religion now boasts of over 45,000 different doctrinal leanings aka denominations. And even at that, the fact that women are still looked down on remains intact, no matter how high they are allowed to rise. undecided
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by GiftofGod77(m): 5:55pm On Feb 03, 2025
Kobojunkie:
1. Prove you have benefited from this grace thing as you claim.🙄

2. I didn't say one or two hypocrites but all hypocrites. Christianity is a religion of hypocrisies. What they say is NEVER what they do. There is a saying that action speaks louder than words and religion is it; Christianity is one of them. 🙄

3. If according to you, your fall is constant then what that means is that your rise is merely a delusion probably born of your constant fallen state. 🙄

4. Spare me the meaningless religious gobbledegook! 🙄
I am sorry if I seem to annoy you with the "gobbledegook" thing you keep making reference to. But I can use myself as an example for what this Grace has done for me. I use to be a fool thinking that all the activities and works of faith were just vanity and a waste of time. To make matters worst I became friends with people who never took the Word of God seriously so I drifted into the world of people who think and reason using the logic of men. I mocked and made jest of Christians who came to even preach the good news to me. I thought I was enjoying myself until something happened to me that I will never forget in my life. It was a strange encounter that proved to me that not only is God alive but I was indeed a fool and it was time I gave my life to Christ Jesus. Since that time I tearfully went to accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and personal Savior and after that I enrolled for Discipleship. I drew closer and got to understand how God thinks and His principles to everything. I stopped doing the foolish things I use to do thinking I was wise and was enjoying myself including mocking God. I am now a living witness and true example of this grace. I am no longer arrogant, boastful or callous but now a different far more gentle and responsible person with many responsibilities that will never be given to anyone who does not have the qualities Jesus Christ showed. This is just a little but there are much more I have gained and still continue to gain from this Grace. Now I take center stage In the service of the Lord Jesus.
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by GiftofGod77(m): 5:59pm On Feb 03, 2025
Kobojunkie:
That is an outright lie because what is instead enshrined is that only those who are of the bloodline of Jacob can benefit from the Mercy of David via Jesus Christ of Israel. undecided

2. The claim made by Jesus Christ to His followers is presented in plain text so no interpretation is necessary. undecided

3. They are only able to become "leaders" after those core tenets of the religion are bent to suit the particular situation. This partly explains why the religion now boasts of over 45,000 different doctrinal leanings aka denominations. And even at that, the fact that women are still looked down on remains intact, no matter how high they are allowed to rise. undecided
No boss. No woman is ever looked down at where there are true Christians...as to our salvation it is clearly spelt out in the same scriptures but I can understand that to some it is not properly perceived. I also need to say that even as we still fall constantly there is a great difference in our lives as Christians. we get better every day.
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by Kobojunkie: 6:01pm On Feb 03, 2025
GiftofGod77:
➜I am sorry if I seem to annoy you with the "gobbledegook" thing you keep making reference to. ➜But I can use myself as an example for what this Grace has done for me. I use to be a fool thinking that all the activities and works of faith were just vanity and a waste of time. To make matters worst I became friends with people who never took the Word of God seriously so I drifted into the world of people who think and reason using the logic of men. I mocked and made jest of Christians who came to even preach the good news to me. I thought I was enjoying myself until something happened to me that I will never forget in my life. It was a strange encounter that proved to me that not only is God alive but I was indeed a fool and it was time I gave my life to Christ Jesus. Since that time I tearfully went to accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and personal Savior and after that I enrolled for Discipleship. I drew closer and got to understand how God thinks and His principles to everything. I stopped doing the foolish things I use to do thinking I was wise and was enjoying myself including mocking God. I am now a living witness and true example of this grace. I am no longer arrogant, boastful or callous but now a different far more gentle and responsible person with many responsibilities that will never be given to anyone who does not have the qualities Jesus Christ showed.
➜This is just a little but there are much more I have gained and still continue to gain from this Grace. Now I take center stage In the service of the Lord Jesus.
1. By religious gobbledegook, I instead mean religious nonsense that is based on delusions and not facts.

2. Even though Jesus Christ of Israel definitively states that His Father, YHWH — God of Israel — sent Him only to the Lost Sheep of Israel, you want me to believe that rather Jesus Christ of Israel and YHWH —God of Israel — lied and you, a non-Israelite can accept Him against His own will?

3. What aspect of this story of yours equates to this grace thing that you said applies to you if only you choose not to bow to temptation and the lot? I didn't get how grace had anything to do with what you said. undecided
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by Kobojunkie: 6:04pm On Feb 03, 2025
GiftofGod77:
➜No boss. No woman is ever looked down at where there are true Christians...as to our salvation it is clearly spelt out in the same scriptures but I can understand that to some it is not properly perceived. I also need to say that even as we still fall constantly there is a great difference in our lives as Christians. we get better every day.
Please stop telling these obvious lies! 🙄🙄🙄

Even the belief that a woman is not her husband's equal in your Christian marriage amounts to your religion looking down on women. So why continue to lie abeg! What do you gain from them? 🙄🙄🙄
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by GiftofGod77(m): 6:16pm On Feb 03, 2025
Kobojunkie:
Please stop telling these obvious lies! 🙄🙄🙄

Even the belief that a woman is not her husband's equal in your Christian marriage amounts to your religion looking down on women. So why continue to lie abeg! What do you gain from them? 🙄🙄🙄
I have never come across this wrong notion that a woman is not my equal no. Instead what I was taught and still believe is that we are joint heirs to the Salvation we have been born afresh in Christ Jesus. I respect my wife of 22 years as well as she respects me. I have and will never underestimate or disrespect her no matter what because I know we were both made by God and the same Salvation, life and eternity is for both of us. At the same time we are both well versed in the ways of the Lord as to our roles so that the family unit that was made by God can is standing firm against the test of time and bringing about God's will on the earth one of which is to bring up Godly children in the society. Maybe some other people do so, I will not rule it out because of wrong interpretation but for us no.
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by Kobojunkie: 6:19pm On Feb 03, 2025
GiftofGod77:
➜I have never come across this wrong notion that a woman is not my equal no. Instead what I was taught and still believe is that we are joint heirs to the Salvation we have been born afresh in Christ Jesus. I respect my wife of 22 years as well as she respects me. I have and will never underestimate or disrespect her no matter what because I know we were both made by God and the same Salvation, life and eternity is for both of us. At the same time we are both well versed in the ways of the Lord as to our roles so that the family unit that was made by God can is standing firm against the test of time and bringing about God's will on the earth one of which is to bring up Godly children in the society. Maybe some other people do so, I will not rule it out because of wrong interpretation but for us no.
This very thread we are on serves as proof of this yet you deny this? WOW... the delusion is indeed strong with you. 🙄🙄
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by GiftofGod77(m): 6:22pm On Feb 03, 2025
Kobojunkie:
1. By religious gobbledegook, I instead mean religious nonsense that is based on delusions and not facts.

2. Even though Jesus Christ of Israel definitively states that His Father, YHWH — God of Israel — sent Him only to the Lost Sheep of Israel, you want me to believe that rather Jesus Christ of Israel and YHWH —God of Israel — lied and you, a non-Israelite can accept Him against His own will?

3. What aspect of this story of yours equates to this grace thing that you said applies to you if only you choose not to bow to temptation and the lot? I didn't get how grace had anything to do with what you said. undecided
1. No problem at all with the "gobbledegook" comment. It's quite okay with me as long as what I happen to know is correct. And I can understand people have different ways to show or express themselves. No problem at all. 2. He will not accept or reject me against His will. He openly gave me the invitation. When He said "whoever" He was actually referring to a wretched sinner like me and like I said all those who will come to Him for Salvation. He never makes any mistake. 3. I no longer do the things I use to do. I am changed person. And its very obvious. In fact I know for a fact that I would have died by now due to the sinful life I was living but Grace saved me and still keeps me. It takes Grace to grasp this.
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by GiftofGod77(m): 6:25pm On Feb 03, 2025
Kobojunkie:
This very thread we are on serves as proof of this yet you deny this? WOW... the delusion is indeed strong with you. 🙄🙄
hahahah you are funny...well maybe I have not read the other comments but trust me I am not under any delusion and if any this delusion is what God wants for all men and women. There is no difference between us except in roles. We are both living souls and spirits. We only have roles we need to play. See child bearing, home keeping, support and many other roles that are well suited for the woman. Women are joint heirs to this new life and we should accord mutual respect to each other.
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by Kobojunkie: 6:26pm On Feb 03, 2025
GiftofGod77:
1. No problem at all with the "gobbledegook" comment. It's quite okay with me as long as what I happen to know is correct. And I can understand people different ways to how to express themselves. No problem at all.
2. He will not accept or reject me against His will. He openly gave me the invitation. When He said "whoever" He was actually referring to a wretched sinner like me and like I said all those who will come to Him for Salvation. He never makes any mistake.
3. I no longer do the things I use to do. I am changed person. And its very obvious. In fact I know for a fact that I would have died by now due to the sinful life I was living but Grace saved me and still keeps me. It takes Grace to grasp this.
1. You cannot know what is correct when what you know is proven false. undecided

2. So, Jesus Christ of Israel & YHWH — God of Israel — both lied? undecided

3. I am also a changed person as I no longer do a lot of the things I used to do but most of the changes are a result of life events, and others a pursuit of discipline. I too would have probably died by now if I had continued the way I used to and this to no real fault of my own. So, what is the difference between your changes and my changes? undecided

Again, I need you to properly provide proof of this grace thing you continue to claim. undecided
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by Kobojunkie: 6:28pm On Feb 03, 2025
GiftofGod77:
➜hahahah you are funny...well maybe I have not read the other comments but trust me I am not under any delusion and if any this delusion is what God wants for all men and women. There is no difference between us except in roles. We are both living souls and spirits. We only have roles we need to play. See child bearing, home keeping, support and many other roles that are well suited for the woman.
➜Women are joint heirs to this new life and we should accord mutual respect to each other.
1. I do not trust you nor do I intend to do any such. I am instead interested in the facts but you keep offering up opinions and religious gobbledegook. Why? undecided

Again. Christianity at its roots devalues the female. This thread for example is highly focused on the female vagina and its supposed importance to the Christian deity yet you are wanting me to believe what is right in front of us all is not? 🙄

2. You keep insisting on mutual respect and I am caused to wonder if respect will exist if it is not mutual. undecided
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by GiftofGod77(m): 6:35pm On Feb 03, 2025
Kobojunkie:
1. You cannot know what is correct when what you know is proven false. undecided

2. So, Jesus Christ of Israel & YHWH — God of Israel — both lied? undecided

3. I am also a changed person as I no longer do a lot of the things I used to do but most of the changes are a result of life events, and others a pursuit of discipline. I too would have probably died by now if I had continued the way I used to and this to no real fault of my own. So, what is the difference between your changes and my changes? undecided

Again, I need you to properly provide proof of this grace thing you continue to claim. undecided
Hmnn this is why I like Scriptures. Proven false by human reckoning or theological reasoning? Even the Church Fathers acknowledged this work of Salvation before Martin Luther also made this discovery as to the liberty God gave us. We need not go far. Just like I said that proviso "whoever" qualifies the sinner who was not originally from Israel. The prostitute, the robber, the murderer, the worst of sinners like me can now come boldly to the Throne of Mercy and confess and believe in Christ for their Salvation and in that instant they get saved and their lives never remains the same. A physical change occurs. They get Grace to stop habits, attitudes and characters they once could not control or stop. They become humble and teachable and not arrogant like before. Yes it is possible to change and self develop and become better. But I have a deep spiritual experience when I came closer to God in my life. It became so much at times He would show me what would happen before it occurs. I have shared it with many. Apart from that the deep insight into His mind and wisdom and how I now live in obeisance is another testament in my humble life.
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by Kobojunkie: 6:39pm On Feb 03, 2025
GiftofGod77:
➜Hmnn this is why I like Scriptures. Proven false by human reckoning or theological reasoning? ➜Even the Church Fathers acknowledged this work of Salvation before Martin Luther also made this discovery as to the liberty God gave us.
➜We need not go far. Just like I said that proviso "whoever" qualifies the sinner who was not originally from Israel. The prostitute, the robber, the murderer, the worst of sinners like me can now come boldly to the Throne of Mercy and confess and believe in Christ for their Salvation and in that instant they get saved and their lives never remains the same. A physical change occurs. They get Grace to stop habits, attitudes and characters they once could not control or stop. They become humble and teachable and not arrogant like before.
➜Yes it is possible to change and self develop and become better. But I have a deep spiritual experience when I came closer to God in my life. It became so much at times He would show me what would happen before it occurs. I have shared it with many. Apart from that the deep insight into His mind and wisdom and how I now live in obeisance is another testament in my humble life.
1. Proven false by that which is written in plaintext in Scripture. undecided

2. Your church fathers were frauds — the very dogs aka non-Israelites whom Jesus Christ of Israel warned His followers could not handle that which is Holy. Their words are nothing but lies! undecided

3. Again, I ask you, did Jesus Christ of Israel & YHWH — God of Israel — both lie?😏

4. Your change is spiritual experience. What does that mean? huh
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by GiftofGod77(m): 6:42pm On Feb 03, 2025
Kobojunkie:
1. I do not trust you nor do I intend to do any such. I am instead interested in the facts but you keep offering up opinions and religious gobbledegook. Why? undecided

Again. Christianity at its roots devalues the female. This thread for example is highly focused on the female vagina and its supposed importance to the Christian deity yet you are wanting me to believe what is right in front of us all is not? 🙄

2. You keep insisting on mutual respect and I am caused to wonder if respect will exist if it is not mutual. undecided
No problem if you don't trust me at all. In fact we should trust only God. I am also interested in facts too...I am not a religious zealot or bigot but one who enjoys a personal relationship with God. Then about the vagina it was made by the Almighty and He has plans for how it should be utilized, hahahaha kai its funny, but at the same time serious grin. But seriously it is also covered by Divine instruction. Yes respect is mutual because we are all children of God. There is no way if not it will cause problems and God will not be happy when we take advantage of others even our womenfolk. It is mutual. Respect is given between men for example in an organizaiton men can respect men in higher authority, it is the same respect God expects when relationship comes up in terms of leadership so that there will be unity and cohesion for Teamwork under His guidance and enablement....
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by GiftofGod77(m): 6:46pm On Feb 03, 2025
Kobojunkie:
1. Proven false by that which is written in plaintext in Scripture. undecided

2. Your church fathers were frauds — the very dogs aka non-Israelites whom Jesus Christ of Israel warned His followers could not handle that which is Holy. Their words are nothing but lies! undecided
3. Again, I ask you, did Jesus Christ of Israel & YHWH — God of Israel — both lie?😏

4. Your change is spiritual experience. What does that mean? huh
Yes the same Scripture that gave that option "whoever"....
It is Spiritual because when I worship or meditate on the Word I get a lot of inspiration and understanding. I get a lot of revelations like I said even things that are yet to occur. Not from some mystical phoenix bird in some realm that is controlled by darkness....
Yes you are quite right. We never follow what men have said or interpreted but what God says plainly....
No they did not even in including the "whoever" option for all of us....gentiles if you might....
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by Kobojunkie: 6:47pm On Feb 03, 2025
GiftofGod77:
➜No problem if you don't trust me at all. In fact we should trust only God. I am also interested in facts too...I am not a religious zealot or bigot but one who enjoys a personal relationship with God.
➜Then about the vagina it was made by the Almighty and He has plans for how it should be utilized, hahahaha kai its funny, but at the same time serious grin. But seriously it is also covered by Divine instruction.
➜Yes respect is mutual because we are all children of God. There is no way if not it will cause problems and God will not be happy when we take advantage of others even our womenfolk. It is mutual. Respect is given between men for example in an organizaiton men can respect men in higher authority, it is the same respect God expects when relationship comes up in terms of leadership so that there will be unity and cohesion for Teamwork under His guidance and enablement....
1. There is what you say and there are the facts on the ground that counter your claims. 😏

2. So, this almighty made the teeth, the head, the anus, the legs, the hands, the d--ck, but made plans specifically for how the vagina alone should be utilized? Clearly, he is a sex god of some sort whose particular focus seems to be on the vagina which he installed on the female population, right?

3. Respect isn't mutual though. I respect others even if they do not respect me. It is a choice and is not always guaranteed to be mutual. But here you seem to assert that you can only respect a woman if and only if she respects you too. Clearly, this is completely removed from the claims you made earlier that a woman is seen as your equal and you respect her equally and all of that yap earlier! undecided
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by Hellisreal70: 6:47pm On Feb 03, 2025
Kobojunkie:
This talk about religion/tradition for you lot begins and ends with your perverse delusions regarding the female and her vagina, isn't it? 🙄🙄
Well, let's rest the topic for now so that we don't stretch it too much.

But you too like to argue o. You sha no wan gree for anybody
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by Kobojunkie: 6:48pm On Feb 03, 2025
GiftofGod77:
➜It is Spiritual because when I worship or meditate on the Word I get a lot of inspiration and understanding. I get a lot of revelations like I said even things that are yet to occur.
➜Not from some mystical phoenix bird in some realm that is controlled by darkness....
Is that like saying when a Juju worshipper also worships or mediates on his own ideas, gets inspiration and understanding, he is equally on a spiritual scape as well? undecided

2. How in the world is your spiritual claim any different from that of those who believe in mystical phoenix birds abeg? No be the same thing you dey claim they too dey claim? What proof do you have that your spiritual is different from their spiritual bullsheet? undecided
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by Kobojunkie: 6:49pm On Feb 03, 2025
Hellisreal70:
➜Well, let's rest the topic for now so that we don't stretch it too much. But you too like to argue o. You sha no wan gree for anybody
How can I agree with what are clearly delusional lies? huh
Re: Sex Should Wait Till Marriage (Photo) by Kobojunkie: 6:50pm On Feb 03, 2025
GiftofGod77:
➜Yes the same Scripture that gave that option "whoever"....
Whoever what? undecided
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