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| Re: Naira Strengthens At The Black Market, Breaks Below ₦1,600/$ by Blazetrailer: 7:09pm On Feb 06, 2025*. Modified: 6:58am On Feb 07, 2025 |
Lol...utter nonsense! More gibberish and even more buffonery in an attempt to appear more ignorant. I read halfway and could not contain my disdain for brazen half knowledge. Who truky need more schooling here on economics and exhange rate systems. To start with, someone who does not know the full meaning of a floated exchange system and can not distinguish it from what is being practiced currently is even more ignorant than others he claims he is trying to educate(school). No floated exchange rate system has majority of its forex with the Central Bank/Reseve Bank. That sits with commercial banks. Again, no fully floated system sells forex to black market sellers at a rate different from the ruling market rate. This certainly is not practiced by US Federal Reserve,Bank of Canada, Bank of England, Bank of Australia, etc...who practice fully floated system. Those are just two examples, there are many more. You could want to argue that these Banks I metioned above also intervene when the market hits a disequilibrium, that is right, but none of them take from their foreing or local reserves to try and force the rates back to equilibrum. They use monetary policy instruments like the LIBOR, prime rates, treasury bond rates/ risk free rates, etc to adjust things. NONE, I repeat, NONE sell forex to black market people at a different rates to the market under the guise of influencing the rates to equilibrum and then monitor by taking feedbacks from the same sellers, in a system that has next to nothing intelligent information system to ensure credible data and integrity of the feedback/ reports from the BDCs. Another mumbo jumbo from you is that the aim of unifying the exchange rate was not to eliminate black market, but the question to ask you then is what exactly did the government mean by saying they were unifying the rates?....should that not mean the elimination of multiple rates as there were two rates before the unification? However after unifying the rates, multiple rates do exist and the gap is widening. Justftying the fallacy from this givernment with the presence of black market in other countries is turning logic on its head. Its akin to saying " we want to do a surgical operation to remove a bad organ whixh had been affecting our health so seriously but because some others neighbourd tgat are not even rekated to us will still have this organ in their bodies, we should continue to live with the pains caused by such a defective organ, even after it has been surgically removed. Hello!!!, what exactly is the need for removing the organ then?? Nothing has changed, really, the only thing that has happened is that the Nigerian government devalued naira(IMF/Reuters/Bloomberg and other credible sources called it out as devaluation in February 2024 when CBN came to announce that there was an error in the system used to calcukate the market rate by FMDQ) and as such the rates quoted were lower than it should be......imagine? As if they were using MS excel to determine rates before. To support the existence of black market in a floated exhange rate system as normal using India(uses a managed floating system), Brazil( floating exhange rate system but pegged to USD, EURO and Yuan for imports and exports making it a managed one) and Russia( which uses intervention system before the war and sanctions crises) while stating that Nigeria uses a fully floating exchange system shows how shallow and ignorant you are with regards to international finance and exhange systems. At this point, I knew you didn't know more than the surface on the subject you were claiming expertise in I initially thought you had the stuff hence I was willing to engage but reading through all you have posted here, it is not different from what a government spokesman would say. It is devoid of any critical review to be sure of it is correct or not and if there are alternative views to explaining them. As someone else posted, it is lie-lie economics they sold to you all and you swallowd hook line and sinker, without thinking, as they predicted.. Lol...lie-lie economics, announced by the govt., peddled by the lowly intelligents. Astrid4: |
| Re: Naira Strengthens At The Black Market, Breaks Below ₦1,600/$ by Blazetrailer: 7:14pm On Feb 06, 2025*. Modified: 7:49pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
This was the lie they sold to them.....the mumus believed them....and the dafts continued to peddle the same lies.. Have you not taken a step back and asked yourself...if the government said it needed to stop the subsidy because they were using 97% to service debt but the same government has now increased the debt profile by nearly 250% in less than 2 years, how much % is the government using to service the debts now? zero8zero: |
| Re: Naira Strengthens At The Black Market, Breaks Below ₦1,600/$ by EcomogSoder: 7:56pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
BadNews:Maybe in year 2035 I guess don’t expect anything good From the demonic party call apshit |
| Re: Naira Strengthens At The Black Market, Breaks Below ₦1,600/$ by Alliswell248: 8:04pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
AMI3:It's fact. Changes takes time We can't mortgage the future to please some select cabals. Emefiele pleased the cabals. They have all abandoned him now |
| Re: Naira Strengthens At The Black Market, Breaks Below ₦1,600/$ by phemmyfour: 8:32pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
zero8zero:Anything more than 1k is unacceptable |
| Re: Naira Strengthens At The Black Market, Breaks Below ₦1,600/$ by Blazetrailer: 8:49pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
Lol...this is the point from which you know those who went to school for knowledge and those who went through it just becuase everyone around them was going to school and they did not want to be left behid. I keep reading and hearing a lot of this semi literates like the one below refer to the ways and means used by Buhari's government ad the causr of the current hyper inflation without even undertanding basic economics( it is the lie told to them by the govt.). Ways and means is one of the necessary evil that be required in an economy that could be facing recession. It is a common tool used globally and incessantly. For instance, the US economy had no choice on 2008 than to resort to ways and means under the Obama administration to fight the global recession then. They onlybstopped when the economybwas recovereing abd resorted to a method called "qujatitative easing" to mop all of the excess funds out of the system. Due to the onset of COVID and its impact on global economy, almost all coutries resorted to so many out of the bic policies including exoansionary busheting, ways and means(printing of currency), tax holidays etc to fight the looming recession necessitated by the pandemic. So it was not so that the Buhari government printed money out of the whims just like that there were compelling reasons, suppoeted by precedents, and successful economic theories that supported that idea. The only difference though is that while the government of other countries were intelligent enough to know that you need a balanced economic policy portolio to deal with the necessary evil( ways and means), Nigeria was so unfortunate to have a new set of leaders velieved to be the most incompetent ever in the history of the country. While other countries balanced their ways and means issues with stable economic policies to allow for gradual mopping up of the excess liquidity in the system caused by the need to fight off recession(e.g Quantitative easing, monetary policies, etc), Nigeria got a president who was eager to impress and wesr the toga of a "reformer" that he stupidly endoeced policies that were kt well though out. These policies,rather than help, exacerbated the situation the more. In a bid to quench the impact of the wrong policies and its unexpected effect on the economy the government had to resort to expansionary budgeting(bloated budget) in a bid to stimulate the economy and fight inflation. The 3 ways to fund an expansionary budget are 1. Borrowing 2. Increased taxes 3. Ways and means. Note that according to macro economic theorists, an expansionary budget approach is counter productive in a highly inflated economy. You have to reduce government spending and tighten the monetary policies(e.g interest rates) to encourage savings and reduce spending to manage inflation. Only a confused government will try to expand spending through increased discretionary spendings like giving certain money to poor households and at the same time tightening spending via high interest rates theiugh CBN( ro mop excess liquiduty) Th8s is contradictiry economic approaches within the same government, henxe the CBN governor had ti voice out his concern publicly in October 2024 on his frustrations with sone government policies( same government o!) It is funny how this Tinubu's government tried to make the previous government responsible for its current failures without allowing for objectivity. Fact is 90% of governments all over the world resorted to ways and means to fight COVID but none of these givernments has a 39% YoY inflation rate to date. The answer lies in the terrible judgement in economic policies by the Tinubu's incompetent administration.. So, stop spreading the fallacy,the printing of currency might have began inflation, it was not the reason for growing nor sustaining it. Bad policies are. zero8zero: |
| Re: Naira Strengthens At The Black Market, Breaks Below ₦1,600/$ by Exceed15: 9:07pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
It was less than N200 during pdp era. USELESS APC GOVERNMENT |
| Re: Naira Strengthens At The Black Market, Breaks Below ₦1,600/$ by Menclothing1: 9:22pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
DeltaBachelor:Given biz |
| Re: Naira Strengthens At The Black Market, Breaks Below ₦1,600/$ by tpain121: 9:27pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
femisplash:Shut up there, and don’t ever compare the useless agbado decision makers to the Americans. You no get sense sha. These idiots that have destroyed the economy beyond repair na Im you Dey put in the same sentence with America? You be Werey . |
| Re: Naira Strengthens At The Black Market, Breaks Below ₦1,600/$ by PlanetZero: 9:37pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
helinues:Lol. You won't say amen. U and your scam apc. You will also eat the reward of your evil work in apc. You and your generation. Amen |
| Re: Naira Strengthens At The Black Market, Breaks Below ₦1,600/$ by allthingsgood: 9:53pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
Acidosis:Lol I hear u |
| Re: Naira Strengthens At The Black Market, Breaks Below ₦1,600/$ by doggedfighter(f): 10:11pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
Acidosis:Acid, you are good? 😊 |
| Re: Naira Strengthens At The Black Market, Breaks Below ₦1,600/$ by Astrid4(m): 10:30pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
Blazetrailer:Let’s do a paragraph by paragraph invalidity test In your first paragraph you asserted that countries practicing floating exchange rate system has its foreign reserves in commercial bank that’s a blatant lie In a floating exchange rate system, the central bank typically holds the majority of the country's foreign exchange reserves, not commercial banks. The central bank uses these reserves to manage the country's monetary policy, maintain financial stability, and intervene in the foreign exchange market if necessary. Commercial banks, on the other hand, hold foreign exchange deposits and engage in foreign exchange transactions, but they do not typically hold the majority of the country's foreign exchange reserves. I hope I clarify the differences now You further asserted that no fully floated system sells forex to black market, yeah you absolutely right Infact BOE, US feds none engage in this act, the fact CBN sells forex to black market negates the fully floated exchange rate system, you’re right that why I said earlier I quote “but I’m not so stupid to believe our fate is been decided by market forces alone that why I brought the concept of managed floating system which is a normal global economic standard where govt once in a while intervene in this exchange rate” this is where I postulated that nigeria is practicing a managed floating exchange rate system and I feel this is largely due to the fact that we’re oil dependent and external shock or global change in oil prices can have direct impact on our economic in order to buffer this effect we run a managed floated exchange rate where we have govt intervention not only using monetary policy tools but by selling forex to Black market I never asserted that nigeria exchange rate is fully floated but managed floated as a result of these interventions Now to the unification of the exchange rate Unifying exchange rates means having only one exchange rate for a country's currency. Now it is thereby instructive for you to note that in as much as unification of an exchange rate can potentially eliminate the parallel market but it is not guarantee. There will still be prevalence of parallel market/black market rate like I point earlier I quote due to some reasons “... but black market will continue to strive due to reasons like demand and supply imbalance, restrictions and regulations, speculation and arbitrage,lack of access to official channels” now let’s me break it down Demand and supply imbalances Imagine a store selling dollars. If there aren't enough dollars (supply) to meet demand, people might turn to the black market. Unifying the exchange rate won't fix this imbalance. Restrictions and Regulations Suppose the government restricts who can buy dollars or sets limits on how much can be bought. This can drive people to the black market, where they can buy dollars without restrictions. Speculation and Arbitrage* Traders might exploit price differences between the official and black markets. For example, if the official rate is 1 USD = 500 Naira, but the black market rate is 1 USD = 600 Naira, traders might buy dollars at the official rate and sell them on the black market for a profit Lack of Access to Official Channels If people can't access official foreign exchange channels (e.g., banks), they might turn to the black market. Unifying the exchange rate won't help if people can't access the official market. Funny how how many Nigeria go to bank for forex nah BDC all of us dey go cos of easy accessibility In conclusion Unifying an exchange rate is not a magic solution to eliminate the black market. The underlying issues driving the black market must be addressed to reduce its prevalence. |
| Re: Naira Strengthens At The Black Market, Breaks Below ₦1,600/$ by ArcSEMPECJ(m): 10:33pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
Factcheck0001:You are calling Someone Agulu fraud but you love the real fraud who made a dollar from #216 to #1600... Indeed, the real enemies of Nigeria can be checked from South West.... |
| Re: Naira Strengthens At The Black Market, Breaks Below ₦1,600/$ by Factcheck0001: 10:58pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
ArcSEMPECJ:after removing subsidy n we stopped enriching conmen |
| Re: Naira Strengthens At The Black Market, Breaks Below ₦1,600/$ by Blazetrailer: 11:52pm On Feb 06, 2025 |
Lol....I was 100% sure you did not know what you were writing about before, but now I am 200% sure. This area is my domain and I am excited to engage anyone publicly on it but not someone with what appears to be patchy understanding and limited to copying ideas from textbooks and pouring it out here . In fact, your first paragraph was enough for me to know you did not fully understand what you were writing.....I will sumarrise my response to that and hope you can pick up that once and for all without needing to recite the functions of a Central/Reserve bank In Nigeria, Central Bank of Nigeria hold the largest reserve of local forex notes and securities. In a fully floated system, such is held by the deposit/international banks(reason Nigeria has its foreing reserve with a commercial bank in the US). I work in the system and I know this for certain. You can also resd it up. I dont need to go and start quoting the functions of a bank of last resort to know this, my friend. A fully floated system does not allow for that nonsense. By the way, I see you avoided the points around the examples of India, Brazil and Russia you ised with respect to theim operating a fully floated exchange rate system and still doing black market. They are not eunning a fully floated system neother is Nigeria. Did you also bother to read the IMF review of the Nigerian reforms under this government, released in Feb/March 2024? They were brutally honest. They refused to give Niberia further loans because of this. Naira was devalued. Read it up and learn The rest of what you have written is not worth any effort to respond to. When you bring valid,reasonably intelligent and pedagogic points up, I will be excited and ready to engage futher. Astrid4: |
| Re: Naira Strengthens At The Black Market, Breaks Below ₦1,600/$ by Zackattack: 12:46am On Feb 07, 2025 |
zero8zero:The dullards are still subsidizing it with our foreign reserve. Yet it still looks this bad. |
| Re: Naira Strengthens At The Black Market, Breaks Below ₦1,600/$ by Sniper101(m): 1:32am On Feb 07, 2025 |
wia dis naira dey strengthen dey go? I dey vex as I dey see my ByBit funds dey drop |
| Re: Naira Strengthens At The Black Market, Breaks Below ₦1,600/$ by Acidosis(m): 4:41am On Feb 07, 2025 |
| Re: Naira Strengthens At The Black Market, Breaks Below ₦1,600/$ by doggedfighter(f): 7:09am On Feb 07, 2025 |
| Re: Naira Strengthens At The Black Market, Breaks Below ₦1,600/$ by kcowen(m): 7:22am On Feb 07, 2025*. Modified: 1:41pm On Feb 09, 2025 |
Sonofgod1990:Happy Birthday to you more life and fruitful years ahead with sound mind and good health Mine will not be last 0-8- |
| Re: Naira Strengthens At The Black Market, Breaks Below ₦1,600/$ by kcowen(m): 7:23am On Feb 07, 2025*. Modified: 1:41pm On Feb 09, 2025 |
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| Re: Naira Strengthens At The Black Market, Breaks Below ₦1,600/$ by Acidosis(m): 9:05am On Feb 07, 2025 |
doggedfighter:Great. All will be well |
| Re: Naira Strengthens At The Black Market, Breaks Below ₦1,600/$ by olisaokere(m): 1:40pm On Feb 07, 2025 |
zero8zero:“Proof it”😂 |
| Re: Naira Strengthens At The Black Market, Breaks Below ₦1,600/$ by ArcSEMPECJ(m): 3:08pm On Feb 07, 2025 |
Factcheck0001:For your mind abi? Do you think Tinubu didn't know what he did by supporting a failure like Buhari And later started saying Buhari was a failure, that he is coming to bring new hope lols...You were really Brian washed..... Tell me one effect of the fake subsidy removal to you as a common man, forget whether it was enriching people you were told of or not... All man for himself , better wise up, abi did you see any cow there if you say the people that murdered her are Fulanis ![]() |
| Re: Naira Strengthens At The Black Market, Breaks Below ₦1,600/$ by DeltaBachelor(m): 8:00pm On Feb 08, 2025 |
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And later started saying Buhari was a failure, that he is coming to bring new hope lols...