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Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 3:43pm On Feb 06, 2025
Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣you mean that they are in my soakaway?

So before the real Jesus came to earth, the father son and holy spirit were on earth?
Oh, I didn't know you came to mock.

God is everywhere in the universe. His manifestation is not everywhere but His Presence is everywhere.
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 3:44pm On Feb 06, 2025
Truthseeker10:
In John 16:7, where did the real Jesus go to to send the holy spirit?
Read the whole chapter.
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Truthseeker10: 3:44pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
Oh, I didn't know you came to mock.

God is everywhere in the universe. His manifestation is not everywhere but His Presence is everywhere.
So the father son and holy spirit were on earth before the real Jesus came? So what's the difference between the son and the real Jesus?
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Truthseeker10: 3:46pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
Read the whole chapter.
🤣🤣🤣Oga tell me na...you said the real Jesus was on earth with father son and holy spirit and that the disciples saw all of them. So where is he going to to send the holy Spirit from again na?
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 3:46pm On Feb 06, 2025
Truthseeker10:
So the father son and holy spirit were on earth before the real Jesus came? So what the difference between the son and the real Jesus?
You're really confused my friend.

God is everywhere. He chose at a time to manifest on earth in the form of Jesus to complete an assignment.

Is that difficult for you to understand?
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 3:49pm On Feb 06, 2025
Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣Oga tell me na...you said the real Jesus was on earth with father son and holy spirit and that the disciples saw all of them. So where is he going to to send the holy Spirit from again na?
I have told you that the indwelling Presence is a different phenomenon entirely.

If you don't even understand basic explanations, how will you understand deep things of the Spirit.?

Please ask questions about things within your ability to comprehend.

The Presence is different from the indwelling Presence which is an introduction to the realm of Power.
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Truthseeker10: 3:54pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
You're really confused my friend.

God is everywhere. He chose at a time to manifest on earth in the form of Jesus to complete an assignment.

Is that difficult for you to understand?
Below is John 14:28.

King James Bible
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

So if God(father son and holy spirit) is everywhere, where is the real Jesus((God)=father son and holy spirit)) going to in John 14:28?
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Truthseeker10: 3:55pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
I have told you that the indwelling Presence is a different phenomenon entirely.

If you don't even understand basic explanations, how will you understand deep things of the Spirit.?

Please ask questions about things within your ability to comprehend.

The Presence is different from the indwelling Presence which is an introduction to the realm of Power.
Where is the presence and where is the indwelling presence? I thought you said God(father son and holy spirit) is everywhere?
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 4:27pm On Feb 06, 2025
Truthseeker10:
Below is John 14:28.

King James Bible
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

So if God(father son and holy spirit) is everywhere, where is the real Jesus((God)=father son and holy spirit)) going to in John 14:28?
John 16:16

A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

If your intent is to mock, you will never understand.
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 4:28pm On Feb 06, 2025
Truthseeker10:
Where is the presence and where is the indwelling presence? I thought you said God(father son and holy spirit) is everywhere?
You cannot understand.

The Holy Spirit can be within you and around you at the same time
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 4:43pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
Did you read what you typed? I don't understand how you would be providing proofs against yourself and still be feeling great.

The universe is a creation of God according to all the scriptures you quoted up there. Jesus on the other hand emanated from within the fabric and nature of God. Yes, I need to teach you if you don't know how to study the Bible for yourself. If some men in the USA are your ultimate biblical authority instead of the word of God itself.

You didn't ask me if Jesus is the Word of God but I must tell you what Jesus is and what the universe is not. You cannot compare Jesus and the universe. That's infact blasphemous.

Take your time to counter all the points I have made so far instead of building a different topic from faulty logic. You quoted scriptures that say God commanded the heavens and the earth into being, can you show me any scripture where God commanded Jesus into being?

I have shown you from deep research corroborated by AI explanations that Jesus categorically told you that He came from within God Himself and not from among the angels as you false teachers claim. I have shown you that Jesus is the Life, Begining, Resurrection and the source of all things. Tell us how Michael fits in. Which of these things I said so far are lies?

Save yourself from the destructive teachings of your cult before it's too late.
If I provided proof against myself you should have quoted the proof instead of typing all this nonsense you wrote. Which one is "men in the USA" 😕, this already is proof that it is you, in your own words, "building a different topic from faulty logic"

Now true blaspheme is you calling God a liar by saying no God you alone are not God, your son too is God, why did you lie to us and hide that your son too is God.

A simple question was asked you, you said Jesus is God because he came from God, so is the universe God because it came from God. You are here ranting after typing nonsense like "the universe did not come from God, the universe was not in the beginning"

Now you are talking about men in the US, you who uses chatGPT and METAAI instead of the Holy Spirit

Unlike you who is a false accuser, the evidence on your case is here.

😂 I should take my time to counter you, simple scriptures you lack understanding of, you are now asking me to take my time. Have you not wasted people's time, even when they tell you the truth, your spirit of stubbornness which makes you idolatrous would make you unable to see nor hear. After taking time and teaching it to you did you learn. No you ran to repeat your nonsense yet again. First you deceived yourself by saying undeniable proof, and here you shamelessly refuse the scripture because you lack understanding of it. All you can do is make up some imaginary men in the US yet you are shouting, "I have shown you from deep research corroborated by AI explanations that Jesus categorically told you that He came from within God Himself"


Did I tell you Jesus did not come from God, 😂 look at you where is the fruit of patience, in your impatience to understand you rush to type nonsense about some cult, can you see from your response that you are a confused human being.
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Truthseeker10: 5:17pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
You cannot understand.

The Holy Spirit can be within you and around you at the same time
Oga you said God(father son and holy spirit) is everywhere. So why is the real Jesus(father son and holy spirit) sending the holy spirit that is everywhere again?🤣🤣🤣
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 5:19pm On Feb 06, 2025
gohf:
If I provided proof against myself you should have quoted the proof instead of typing all this nonsense you wrote. Which one is "men in the USA" 😕, this already is proof that it is you, in your own words, "building a different topic from faulty logic"

Now true blaspheme is you calling God a liar by saying no God you alone are not God, your son too is God, why did you lie to us and hide that your son too is God.

A simple question was asked you, you said Jesus is God because he came from God, so is the universe God because it came from God. You are here ranting after typing nonsense like "the universe did not come from God, the universe was not in the beginning"

Now you are talking about men in the US, you who uses chatGPT and METAAI instead of the Holy Spirit

Unlike you who is a false accuser, the evidence on your case is here.

😂 I should take my time to counter you, simple scriptures you lack understanding of, you are now asking me to take my time. Have you not wasted people's time, even when they tell you the truth, your spirit of stubbornness which makes you idolatrous would make you unable to see nor hear. After taking time and teaching it to you did you learn. No you ran to repeat your nonsense yet again. First you deceived yourself by saying undeniable proof, and here you shamelessly refuse the scripture because you lack understanding of it. All you can do is make up some imaginary men in the US yet you are shouting, "I have shown you from deep research corroborated by AI explanations that Jesus categorically told you that He came from within God Himself"


Did I tell you Jesus did not come from God, 😂 look at you where is the fruit of patience, in your impatience to understand you rush to type nonsense about some cult, can you see from your response that you are a confused human being.
My dear, you don't know anything, so let us teach you!

What exactly did I use Chatgpt for? I used it to analyse a Greek word to see it's meaning. I didn't use it to interpret the word of God which is the work of the Holy Spirit. The analysis of the word in Greek then further confirmed what I already received in my spirit.

I have answered your question about the universe coming from God . I expect you to counter me but instead you are just reactional without engaging me in any discourse.

By analysing the Greek word using modern tools, I came to a deep.meaninf of what the word meant, and I gave you here verbatim. If you regard that as a waste of time, you're actually an illiterate.

The Scripture was written in Greek, not English. I am not knowledgeable in the language. I can use AI to.find out if the English translation is really accurate and true to the original Greek writings. If this makes you angry, I'm sorry. But that's the only way we can pull out the Truth and avoid organized deceit like your practice in your JW organization.

Yeah, I mentioned your men in the USA because I understand that you are a Jehovah Witness. A false witness of Christ who does not care about the truth of God's word but rather about the truth of the watch tower publication.

What exactly have you said here that proves the OP wrong? Nothing.!
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Truthseeker10: 5:20pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
John 16:16

A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

If your intent is to mock, you will never understand.
🤣🤣🤣na wa oo.....so the real Jesus who is God(father son and holy spirit) that is everywhere is still going to the father again that is everywhere? How does this even make sense to you?🤣 🤣🤣
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 5:45pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
My dear, you don't know anything, so let us teach you!

What exactly did I use Chatgpt for? I used it to analyse a Greek word to see it's meaning. I didn't use it to interpret the word of God which is the work of the Holy Spirit. The analysis of the word in Greek then further confirmed what I already received in my spirit.

I have answered your question about the universe coming from God . I expect you to counter me but instead you are just reactional without engaging me in any discourse.

By analysing the Greek word using modern tools, I came to a deep.meaninf of what the word meant, and I gave you here verbatim. If you regard that as a waste of time, you're actually an illiterate.

The Scripture was written in Greek, not English. I am not knowledgeable in the language. I can use AI to.find out if the English translation is really accurate and true to the original Greek writings. If this makes you angry, I'm sorry. But that's the only way we can pull out the Truth and avoid organized deceit like your practice in your JW organization.

Yeah, I mentioned your men in the USA because I understand that you are a Jehovah Witness. A false witness of Christ who does not care about the truth of God's word but rather about the truth of the watch tower publication.

What exactly have you said here that proves the OP wrong? Nothing.!
oh this arrogant pathetic person, only if someone would love you enough and rebuke you and correct you, but sadly I perceive there is none. Indeed God chooses those he reveals Himself to.
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 6:24pm On Feb 06, 2025
gohf:
oh this arrogant pathetic person, only if someone would love you enough and rebuke you and correct you, but sadly I perceive there is none. Indeed God chooses those he reveals Himself to.
This insult does not change the truth my friend.

What lie exactly have i.told on this thread? Do you care to expose it? What is the ignorance displayed? Would you point it out?

I'll want you to consider the truth for your soul. If you're hypocritical, should be hypocritical to.your own soul?

I showed you the truth here plainly , yet you're fighting against it!
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 6:27pm On Feb 06, 2025
Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣na wa oo.....so the real Jesus who is God(father son and holy spirit) that is everywhere is still going to the father again that is everywhere? How does this even make sense to you?🤣 🤣🤣
It can't make sense to.you because you're ignorant of the ways of the Spirit.

You don't even understand what Jesus was saying, and you cannot ever grasp it until you're reborn.
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 6:32pm On Feb 06, 2025
Truthseeker10:
Oga you said God(father son and holy spirit) is everywhere. So why is the real Jesus(father son and holy spirit) sending the holy spirit that is everywhere again?🤣🤣🤣
Did I say the Holy Spirit is within everyone? Or you don't understand the difference between everywhere and 'within you'? Did you not read that I said
, He sends the Holy Spirit to dwell in Us? He is with us but He also has to be in us. Or you just only know how to mock?
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Truthseeker10: 7:21pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
Did I say the Holy Spirit is within everyone? Or you don't understand the difference between everywhere and 'within you'? Did you not read that I said
, He sends the Holy Spirit to dwell in Us? He is with us but He also has to be in us. Or you just only know how to mock?
So the holy spirit is not within everyone but it is everywhere? Are you joking?
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Truthseeker10: 7:21pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
It can't make sense to.you because you're ignorant of the ways of the Spirit.

You don't even understand what Jesus was saying, and you cannot ever grasp it until you're reborn.
🤣🤣🤣funny man....saying things that does not make sense.
How can God(father son and holy spirit) send holy spirit?🤣🤣🤣

Holy spirit is sending holy spirit....na wa oo.
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 7:35pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
This insult does not change the truth my friend.

What lie exactly have i.told on this thread? Do you care to expose it? What is the ignorance displayed? Would you point it out?

I'll want you to consider the truth for your soul. If you're hypocritical, should be hypocritical to.your own soul?

I showed you the truth here plainly , yet you're fighting against it!
your truth is that jesus is a god
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 7:36pm On Feb 06, 2025
Truthseeker10:
So the holy spirit is not within everyone but it is everywhere? Are you joking?
Is your inside a place to be included in the 'everywhere'? Or you don't understand English?
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 7:38pm On Feb 06, 2025
Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣funny man....saying things that does not make sense.
How can God(father son and holy spirit) send holy spirit?🤣🤣🤣

Holy spirit is sending holy spirit....na wa oo.
If only you realize how you're sounding.


Should I go back and start explaining things to you again from the beginning?

Even those in the occult know how to send their spirit on errands. You're just unknowledgeable.
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 7:40pm On Feb 06, 2025
gohf:
your truth is that jesus is a god
The Bible Truth as already demonstrated on this thread. You can reject the truth but you cannot the reject the consequences.
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 7:48pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
Jesus said He came out from within the Father, and not from among the angels. He is the Beginning and the Ending. No angel can take on that title. He is the Guest and the Life. No angel is the First. Absolutely impossible. God is the First.. Jesus is the Bread of Life. The source of Life itself. No angel is the source of Life. Absolutely impossible. Only God is the source of Life. He is the Resurrection and the Life. The Alpha and Omega. The Word of God is was in the begining with God. Without Him was not anything created that was created. God didn't create anything through any angel. He created them through His Word Jesus who became flesh and dwelt among us. His name is called The Word of God according to the book of Revelation. His name is not angel Michael.

False prophets ignore who Jesus said He is, where Jesus said He came out from, what the Scriptures wrote that He did, the names Jesus is called and the God-exclusive titles He bears to call Him Angel Michael.

The Bible clearly reveals that Jesus is God. Anyone who says otherwise is a deceiver and a false prophet.
2John.1.7 There are a lot of smooth-talking charlatans loose in the world who refuse to believe that Jesus Christ was truly human, a flesh-and-blood human being. Give them their true title: Deceiver! Antichrist!

The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him. The Lord said to me: “What they say is good. I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name. Deuteronomy 18: 15 - 19
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 7:49pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
The Bible Truth as already demonstrated on this thread. You can reject the truth but you cannot the reject the consequences.
oh I am just getting started with revealing the real truth from the bible and not the nonsense you were deceiving yourself and others with.
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Truthseeker10: 7:52pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
Is your inside a place to be included in the 'everywhere'? Or you don't understand English?
So inside a place is not a location?🤣🤣
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Truthseeker10: 7:54pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
If only you realize how you're sounding.


Should I go back and start explaining things to you again from the beginning?

Even those in the occult know how to send their spirit on errands. You're just unknowledgeable.
So because those in occult knows how to send their spirit, does that mean that tou send the holy Spirit?

How can God(father son and holy spirit) be sending holy spirit?
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by gohf: 7:57pm On Feb 06, 2025
GothamCities:
My Word to You the Reader
I don't know whom you are, whether Christian, Muslim, Atheist or Pagan, I see the need to resound this warning to you. Jesus is not an angel. He is not a mere messenger or prophet. He is not just an historical entity. Jesus is God's Gift of Himself to you. He came to pay man's spiritual debts. By the spiritual laws enacted by God, only man can pay man's debts. Nobody else can pay for man. It is just the law, and God Himself CAN NEVER BREAK HIS OWN LAW. God is too pure and too righteous to break even His own law for any reason. Man must pay His debts to be redeemed from eternal damnation which came as a result of the spiritual transaction that happened in Eden. Since man cannot pay, it means the entire human race is doomed. God's plan of creation is therefore ruined. Only God has the power to save man but God cannot break His law. He, in His love for man therefore had to become a man to pay man's debt so that man can be saved.

This is the mystery of salvation:

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” — 1 Timothy 3:16.

John 3:16

[b']For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.'[/b]

An angel or mere prophet cannot grant you everlasting life. An angel or mere prophet has no life to give. Jesus is the Resurrection and the Life. No angel can ever be the Resurrection and the Life of anybody. Jesus is the Bread of Life. The very source of Life itself. No angel can ever be the source of Life for anybody. In Jesus was Life, and the Life was the Light of the world.

All you need to do to be saved is just to say a simple word of Prayer:

"Lord Jesus, I believe you gave your life for me. On Calvary, you paid my debts and brought me into Eternal Life with God. Today, I ask for the forgiveness of my sins and receive your Gift of Salvation. I invite you right now into my life. Be the Lord of my life from now on and for all eternity. Thank you Lord Jesus for saving me. Now I know that I am born again."

It's just as simple as that. A new dawn will light upon your soul, You will feel the fresh breeze of Heaven blowing upon you, and the Holy Ghost giving you the assurance of salvation. You are now a new born babe in God's Kingdom. Find a Bible to read consistently for your spiritual food that you may grow. Join a Bible believing Church where the new flames of God in you can be fanned until you become a terror to the inferior kingdom of darkness.
Your chatGPT and metaAI did not tell you that the Greek text of 1 Timothy 3:16 doesn't contain the term theos? As you do not listen to the Holy Spirit

It was God who granted Jesus the power and authority and the life given to us as well. John 5.
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 7:57pm On Feb 06, 2025
Truthseeker10:
So because those in occult knows how to send their spirit, does that mean that tou send the holy Spirit?

How can God(father son and holy spirit) be sending holy spirit?
Let's leave your case.

If you don't understand the illustration, then, it's okay.
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 7:58pm On Feb 06, 2025
Truthseeker10:
So inside a place is not a location?🤣🤣
So, you're a place?

Na wa for you o.
Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 7:59pm On Feb 06, 2025
gohf:
oh I am just getting started with revealing the real truth from the bible and not the nonsense you were deceiving yourself and others with.
You mean the the new light they thought you in your cult which will soon be one old light?
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