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FALSE GOSPELs AND SEDUCTIONs FROM PROPHETS AND PASTORS

[Ezekiel 13:10 ERV] — "Again and again those false prophets lied to my people. They said there would be peace, but there is no peace. The people need to fix the walls and prepare for war. But they only slap a thin coat of plaster over the broken walls.

[Ezekiel 13:10 GNB] — "The prophets mislead my people by saying that all is well. All is certainly not well! My people have put up a wall of loose stones, and then the prophets have come and covered it with whitewash.

[Ezekiel 13:10 AFV] — Because, even because they have seduced My people, saying, 'Peace;' and there was no peace—and when anyone builds a weak wall they cover it with whitewash.

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This bible verse in red denounces the prophets, pastors or teachers, who provide a sense of false security by proclaiming peace when there is none. Their lies (in false gospel) give people the illusion of safety, causing them to neglect the reality of their precarious situation. The phrase "they have seduced My people" indicates the prophets' active role in leading people astray in errors: By promoting faith based on false assurance or false reliance on the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross, in His death and by His resurrection, these pastors and prophets prevent the church from confronting their sins, correcting their past, addressing their errors, and turning back to God.

Some of these false gospel and seductions include:

1. They teach or assure that once a believer is saved the believer is saved or safe forever; irrespective of the sins that believer may commit or fall into, provided the believer is saved by the Lord Jesus Christ.

2. Some even teach that confessing one’s sins to those they sinned against in seeking their forgiveness, or making restitution was not necessary, or should not even be considered, once the person has moved on with his or her new life in Christ: - As in, your past is past tense or passed away, and there is no point bringing up your past or even addressing them now in your present life time. As far as they are concern, the blood of Jesus has addressed the issues of sins in their past, present and even sins in their future. These are just few of the false gospel and seductions from these prophets, pastors and teachers.

Well, I am not satisfied with just mentioning few of those false gospels or seductions. So start counting 23 of them:

Here is the renumbered list:

1. Prosperity Gospel
Narrative: God's primary desire is to bless believers with wealth, health, and success.
Seduction: Encourages materialism by promising blessings in exchange for faith or giving.
Danger: Shifts focus from eternal salvation to earthly rewards.

2. Hyper-Grace
Narrative: God's grace covers all sins, eliminating the need for repentance or personal holiness.
Seduction: Reduces accountability, leading to complacency and a license to sin.
Danger: Ignores the transformative nature of grace.

3. Antinomianism
Narrative: Believers are free from the law and can live as they please.
Seduction: Encourages moral laxity by misinterpreting Christian liberty.
Danger: Disregards Christ's call to obedience and sanctification.

4. Legalism
Narrative: Believers must follow strict rules and regulations to earn God’s favor.
Seduction: Promotes self-effort over faith and grace.
Danger: Leads to spiritual pride and a distorted view of salvation.

5. Universalism
Narrative: All people will ultimately be saved, regardless of faith or repentance.
Seduction: Offers false assurance and diminishes the urgency of evangelism.
Danger: Contradicts clear biblical teachings about judgment and salvation.

6. Word of Faith
Narrative: Believers can create their reality through positive declarations.
Seduction: Promotes self-centered faith and reduces dependence on God.
Danger: Encourages a distorted understanding of prayer and divine sovereignty.

7. Mysticism
Narrative: Emphasizes personal experience and mystical encounters with God over biblical authority.
Seduction: Leads to subjectivity and spiritual instability.
Danger: Undermines scriptural truth in favor of emotionalism.

8. Emergent Church
Narrative: Prioritizes experience and subjective truth over biblical doctrine.
Seduction: Encourages relativism and de-emphasizes foundational Christian beliefs.
Danger: Leads to theological confusion and spiritual drift.

9. New Apostolic Reformation (NAR)
Narrative: Restores apostles and prophets with authority to govern the church and society.
Seduction: Promotes dominionism and pursuit of power over humility.
Danger: Risks authoritarianism and distortion of church leadership.

10. Dominionism
Narrative: Christians are called to take control of all societal institutions.
Seduction: Shifts focus from evangelism to earthly power and influence.
Danger: Conflates the kingdom of God with political and cultural agendas.

11. Social Justice Gospel
Narrative: Emphasizes social justice and activism over the core message of the gospel.
Seduction: Diverts attention from personal salvation to societal reform.
Danger: Risks replacing biblical truth with human ideologies.

12. Feminist Theology
Narrative: Redefines God and church leadership through the lens of gender equality.
Seduction: Challenges biblical authority and complements cultural norms.
Danger: Risks altering essential theological doctrines.

13. LGBTQ+ Inclusivity
Narrative: Redefines marriage, gender, and sexuality to align with cultural acceptance.
Seduction: Prioritizes inclusivity over fidelity to Scripture.
Danger: Misinterprets biblical teachings on sin and redemption.

14. Ecumenism
Narrative: Seeks unity among churches and faiths, often at the expense of doctrine.
Seduction: Compromises essential Christian truths in favor of outward harmony.
Danger: Risks doctrinal dilution and theological confusion.

15. Gnosticism
Narrative: Salvation comes through secret knowledge (gnosis) rather than faith in Christ.
Seduction: Appeals to intellectual elitism and spiritual mystique.
Danger: Undermines the sufficiency of Christ’s work and the clarity of the gospel.

16. False Signs and Wonders
Narrative: Emphasizes miraculous signs and wonders as the primary evidence of God's presence and power.
Seduction: Focuses on emotional experiences and charismatic personalities over sound doctrine.
Danger: Risks deception through counterfeit miracles and misplaced faith.

17. Denial of Biblical Authority
Narrative: Questions or denies the authority and inerrancy of Scripture, often to align with cultural trends.
Seduction: Adjusts biblical teachings to fit societal norms.
Danger: Undermines the foundation of Christian faith and promotes subjective interpretations of truth.

18. Feel-Good Gospel
Narrative: Prioritizes self-help, personal happiness, and motivational messages over the full counsel of God.
Seduction: Avoids uncomfortable truths like sin, judgment, and repentance.
Danger: Creates shallow faith unable to withstand trials or persecution.

19. Denial of Christ’s Divinity or Humanity
Narrative: Challenges essential doctrines about Jesus, such as His full divinity, humanity, or the sufficiency of His atonement.
Seduction: Appeals to intellectual pride or alternative philosophies.
Danger: Undermines the foundation of salvation and the gospel message.

20. Judgmentless Gospel
Narrative: Downplays or denies God's judgment, emphasizing only His goodness and love.
Seduction: Encourages complacency regarding sin and repentance.
Danger: Ignores the holiness of God and the significance of Christ's sacrifice.

21. Gospel of Permissive Grace
Narrative: Equates God's love with unconditional acceptance of any lifestyle.
Seduction: Removes the call to holiness and sanctification.
Danger: Leads to moral laxity and undermines biblical teachings on transformation.

22. Churchless Gospel
Narrative: Advocates for individual spirituality while dismissing the need for church community.
Seduction: Encourages isolation and rejection of biblical accountability.
Danger: Neglects the role of the church as the body of Christ.

23. Gospel of New Age Spirituality
Narrative: Blends Christian faith with mystical or New Age philosophies.
Seduction: Prioritizes subjective experiences over scriptural truth.
Danger: Dilutes the gospel and promotes spiritual confusion.



Now, let’s get back to the bible verse in red: precisely the second part of the verse:

Instead of these prophets or pastors to ensure the quality of the wall or building they are overseeing, what these prophets and pastors do is to coat or cover the cracks in the walls, the inferior, weak and broken wall materials, with wall papers or claddings. Thus, making the walls or buildings to appear more whitewashed, whereas structurally those walls or buildings are on the verge of collapsing and breaking down when the storm comes.

The imagery or use of building a (weak) wall with whitewash (or weak) plastering represents the sugar coated messages of false gospel and hollow assurances the priests and ministers teach to their followers. The wall may look beautiful on the outside, but it cannot withstand adversity. This symbolizes the fragility of the false hope they offer.

The verse uses the imagery of a wall that is poorly built but covered with whitewash to make it appear sturdy. This symbolizes the false prophets' attempts to cover up the spiritual and moral decay of the people with superficial reassurances. The whitewash represents their lies, which cannot withstand the "storm" of God's judgment.

God warns that the wall built with untempered mortar will collapse under divine judgment, exposing the lies of the prophets. This serves as a cautionary tale against deceit and misplaced trust. It also warns leaders to speak truthfully, even when the message is difficult, rather than prioritizing popularity or ease. Do not ignore or cover up deeper issues—whether spiritual, moral, or societal—by offering shallow solutions. True peace and stability can only come from addressing the root problems, not from pretending they don’t exist.

[Matthew 7:26-27 BBE] —
And everyone to whom My words come and who does them not, will be like a foolish man who made his house on sand; And the rain came down and there was a rush of waters and the winds were driving against that house; and it came down and great was its fall.

You copied quite a lot, nevertheless there is nothing proud nor philosophical about the truth that there is only one God, whose son is our Lord Jesus Christ, who is our mediator the man Jesus Christ.

To call him a god is to accuse him of being a false god and call God a liar.

Whatever nonsensical foundation such lies are built on will not last. For Christ is the son of the living God and not some god the son.

[quote author=gohf post=134024179][/quote]"And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!""

(Logos) John 20:28:


Jesus Christ is the Son of God, meaning Jesus Christ is God

Jesus Christ is the Son of man, meaning Jesus Christ is Man

PCHC:
"And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!""

(Logos) John 20:28:


Jesus Christ is the Son of God, meaning Jesus Christ is God

Jesus Christ is the Son of man, meaning Jesus Christ is Man

so you are saying God is a liar and Jesus also lied? Yes or No. There's no in-between. Simple yes He lied or no He did not lie.

And if God did not lie, why then can't you accept what God said?

gohf:
so you are saying God is a liar and Jesus also lied? Yes or No. There's no in-between. Simple yes He lied or no He did not lie.

And if God did not lie, why then can't you accept what God said?

Nil to that

No one is saying or implying God or the Lord Jesus lied in anyway.

PCHC:
Nil to that

No one is saying or implying God or the Lord Jesus lied in anyway.

you imply that God lied in this way that you claim there isn't only one true God.

You imply that Jesus is a false god or that your Jesus is not the real one, because the real Jesus is quoted by John to say, in John.17.3, And this is the way to have eternal life--to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.

I will ask you one more time, ask the Holy Spirit if he is with you and answer me this, is there another way or another God?

gohf:
you imply that God lied in this way that you claim there isn't only one true God.

You imply that Jesus is a false god or that your Jesus is not the real one, because the real Jesus is quoted by John to say, in John.17.3, And this is the way to have eternal life--to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.

I will ask you one more time, ask the Holy Spirit if he is with you and answer me this, is there another way or another God?

No ambiguity in what I responded:

Herr in simple mathematical equation:

1 + 1 = 2

But,

LJ + GF = 1

Meaning

Lord Jesus + God the Father = One God (Not Two Gods, but One God)

As the Lord Jesus Christ Himself said it in thus Bible reference:


"I and the Father are one." Therefore the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, "Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?" The Jews answered Him, saying, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.""
(Logos) John 10:30-33

Now solve this mathematical or chemical equation:

1 lite of Ice + 1 litre of water + 1 litre of steam contains how many kinds of chemical components?

gohf:
you imply that God lied in this way that you claim there isn't only one true God.

You imply that Jesus is a false god or that your Jesus is not the real one, because the real Jesus is quoted by John to say, in John.17.3, And this is the way to have eternal life--to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.

I will ask you one more time, ask the Holy Spirit if he is with you and answer me this, is there another way or another God?

Where are you?



""If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and you have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you for so long a time, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He that has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words which I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who abides in Me does the works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me, but if not, believe Me for the sake of the works themselves."

(Logos) John 14:7-11

PCHC:
No ambiguity in what I responded:

Herr in simple mathematical equation:

1 + 1 = 2

But,

LJ + GF = 1

Meaning

Lord Jesus + God the Father = One God (Not Two Gods, but One God)

As the Lord Jesus Christ Himself said it in thus Bible reference:


"I and the Father are one." Therefore the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, "Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?" The Jews answered Him, saying, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.""
(Logos) John 10:30-33

you wrote about philosophy but what do you think you are doing above?

I and my wife we are one, does that mean my wife is me?

Even logic would deny you, speak more of God's word.

Do you not understand what unity means?

Do you not understand what Jesus said here in John.17.22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:

Or are you insinuating that because we are one with Christ, we are Christs and in extension we are God as well? That's preposterous.

Even the Jews who did not believe nor accept Jesus misunderstood him and sought to accuse him, must you do the same as well?

Do you listen to their reactions and words and not pay any attention to the response and correction from Jesus?

Why don't you go and study what Jesus responded to them, would you listen if you won't listen to the one God sent?

John.10.36 do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, "You are blaspheming,' because I said, "I am the Son of God'?

You speak as if Jesus was hiding who he is, as if the Jews loved him and did not pretended not to hear what he said, looking for an accusation against him so as to kill him
John.10.24 - Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, "How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly."
John.10.25 - Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father's name, they bear witness of Me.


Of everything Jesus said, even that the Father is greater than all, why did they seek to stone him because Jesus said he is one with his Father

PCHC:
Now solve this mathematical or chemical equation:

1 lite of Ice + 1 litre of water + 1 litre of steam contains how many kinds of chemical components?

if you pick up stones to throw at others, do you also reject the living stone for your philosophy, beware and look beneath your feet for where you are standing may not be of God least you fall

PCHC:
Where are you?



""If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and you have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you for so long a time, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He that has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words which I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who abides in Me does the works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me, but if not, believe Me for the sake of the works themselves."

(Logos) John 14:7-11

I am here sent to God's people to teach them all about this new life, I am a disciple who follows Jesus and came to know the truth.
If you see me you see Jesus for I am in him and he is in me, but does that mean I am Jesus Christ? No, it doesn't.

Do you even understand the very words you have quoted.

Alas Jesus said in Matt.13.11 He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.

Is Jesus not the way to the Father? Why then do you assume to suggest that what Jesus said in John 14 means that he calls himself a god.

Let me ask you as well, "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me?"

Do you not believe that "The words which Jesus spoke was not on his own authority?

Who did Jesus come to reveal, himself as a god or the one true God?

gohf:
I am here sent to God's people to teach them all about this new life, I am a disciple who follows Jesus and came to know the truth.
If you see me you see Jesus for I am in him and he is in me, but does that mean I am Jesus Christ? No, it doesn't.

Do you even understand the very words you have quoted.

Alas Jesus said in Matt.13.11 He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.

Is Jesus not the way to the Father? Why then do you assume to suggest that what Jesus said in John 14 means that he calls himself a god.

Let me ask you as well, "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me?"

Do you not believe that "The words which Jesus spoke was not on his own authority?

Who did Jesus come to reveal, himself as a god or the one true God?

Nil to that. If I see you or any one whom the Lord Jesus Christ sent, I have not seen the Lord Jesus just by seeing any of His Messenger or Disciple.

▪︎▪︎ I cannot say I have seen Jesus Christ just by seeing Apostle Paul or Peter or John etc.

▪︎▪︎ But I can say I received the Lord Jesus Christ just by receiving anyone of these Brethren or Messengers of the Lord Jesus.

If I send a messenger to you, how you treated my messenger is how you treated me because the messenger represented me in the message. But yet you have not seen me even though you have seen my messenger.

But in the case of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself as Messenger of God the Father, just by seeing Jesus Christ you have seen God — He is the express Image or Manifest of the Most God live and direct. Yet, He's sent by God. Jesus Christ is God sending Himself. No controversy or ambiguity.

(AKJV+) 1 Timothy 3:16:
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

gohf:
if you pick up stones to throw at others, do you also reject the living stone for your philosophy, beware and look beneath your feet for where you are standing may not be of God least you fall

It's not about picking up stones to cast at others or even about looking beneath your feet — This is about discerning the Stumbling Stone Himself, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Those about to condemn the woman caught in adultery could not pick up stones and cast stones at her because they stumbled at the greatest Stone, who wrote on the ground and spoke to them. That Stone or Rock was the Lord Jesus Christ.

gohf:
you wrote about philosophy but what do you think you are doing above?

I and my wife we are one, does that mean my wife is me?

A man and his wife are one body or one flesh, but not one person. One flesh or one body is different from one or the same person.

■ In this Marriage case, there are two persons (or more) in one body (one flesh)

■ In Godhead case, there are three Persons in one God.

gohf:
Even logic would deny you, speak more of God's word.

Sometimes, Logic also denies the Truth, especially the logic of fools.

Oh dear, I have spoken only of God's Word all through. Your ignorance of this does not invalidate it.

gohf:
Do you not understand what unity means?

Do you not understand what Jesus said here in John.17.22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:

Or are you insinuating that because we are one with Christ, we are Christs and in extension we are God as well? That's preposterous.

Even the Jews who did not believe nor accept Jesus misunderstood him and sought to accuse him, must you do the same as well?

Do you listen to their reactions and words and not pay any attention to the response and correction from Jesus?

Why don't you go and study what Jesus responded to them, would you listen if you won't listen to the one God sent?

John.10.36 do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, "You are blaspheming,' because I said, "I am the Son of God'?

You speak as if Jesus was hiding who he is, as if the Jews loved him and did not pretended not to hear what he said, looking for an accusation against him so as to kill him
John.10.24 - Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, "How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly."
John.10.25 - Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father's name, they bear witness of Me.


Of everything Jesus said, even that the Father is greater than all, why did they seek to stone him because Jesus said he is one with his Father

I understand unity and bonds, but you obviously don't understand something greater than unity, which is core essence. Trying to use "Unity" to analyze and interpret the GodHead shows your lack of understanding on this matter.

It is not unity that binds God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit together. These three are not One because they are bonded by unity, unlike other united entities you referenced here.

It's the very Core Essence of GodHead, far beyond unity, that is in the omnipresence of God, omnipotence of God and omniscience of God.

gohf:
I am here sent to God's people to teach them all about this new life, I am a disciple who follows Jesus and came to know the truth.
If you see me you see Jesus for I am in him and he is in me, but does that mean I am Jesus Christ? No, it doesn't.

Do you even understand the very words you have quoted.

Alas Jesus said in Matt.13.11 He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.

Is Jesus not the way to the Father? Why then do you assume to suggest that what Jesus said in John 14 means that he calls himself a god.

Let me ask you as well, "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me?"

Do you not believe that "The words which Jesus spoke was not on his own authority?

Who did Jesus come to reveal, himself as a god or the one true God?

Glad you are sent to God’s people as a teacher among them. But others are also sent to teach you while you teach others. Therefore, increase in learning.

Again, seeing any messenger of God or Christ does not equate to seeing God or Christ. But seeing Christ Jesus Equates to seeing God.

(Logos) John 20:28-29:
"And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.""

The Words Jesus Christ spoke are not in His Authority, but He is the Word of God. My words do not come out and say anything without me letting them out, but my words are essentially myself in communication.

Jesus Christ is the Way to the Father, but that is because Jesus Christ is also the Truth of the Father and the Life of Father.

He's the Way, the Truth and the Life — This means He doesn't take a man to the Father, rather He brings a man to Himself — When He draws all men to Himself, there in Him is the Father. So coming to the Father is basically coming to the Son, Jesus Christ. No extra journey between where a man comes to Jesus Christ and where the man comes to God the Father.

God the Father is inside Jesus Christ drawing all men to Himself, for inside Jesus Christ the Son is the Father well pleased.

(2 Corinthians 5:19)
"namely, that God was inside Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not reckoning to them their trespasses, and having committed to us the word of reconciliation."

How do men know the true God and the Eternal life?

(Logos) John 17:3:
"And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent."

The true God + Jesus Christ the Son or the Sent = Eternal Life

(Logos) 1 John 5:20:
"And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him that is true; and we are in Him that is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life."

PCHC:
Glad you are sent to God’s people as a teacher among them. But others are also sent to teach you while you teach others. Therefore, increase in learning.

Again, seeing any messenger of God or Christ does not equate to seeing God or Christ. But seeing Christ Jesus Equates to seeing God.

(Logos) John 20:28-29:
"And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.""

The Words Jesus Christ spoke are not in His Authority, but He is the Word of God. My words do not come out and say anything without me letting them out, but my words are essentially myself in communication.

You who have increased in learning have you increased to the extent you have learnt the so called deep secrets of Satan?
That your ears cannot hear the truth anymore?

You read all that I wrote but instead quoted another text you lack understanding of, are you not being too arrogant to give another an advice 🤨😮‍💨

Did you study John 20, wait, do you study the bible with the Holy Spirit or you just quote verses out of it to post your messages.

You read this John.20.28 "My Lord and my God!" Thomas exclaimed.

So tell me did you not read this as well
John.20.31 But these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing in him you will have life.

No you choose to believe that Thomas was calling Jesus God. Basic wisdom would state that the supposed conclusion should have been that you may believe that Jesus is God. No but Satan made up that conclusion like he made up the "jump off the roof" idea.

Look you have so much learning yet this is nonsense you wrote, "The Words Jesus Christ spoke are not in His Authority, but He is the Word of God. My words do not come out and say anything without me letting them out, but my words are essentially myself in communication." As your understanding and answer to my question, Do you not believe that "The words which Jesus spoke was not on his own authority?

Let me look at your other responses, hopefully I can see who you are through your words 😁

PCHC:
Nil to that. If I see you or any one whom the Lord Jesus Christ sent, I have not seen the Lord Jesus just by seeing any of His Messenger or Disciple.

▪︎▪︎ I cannot say I have seen Jesus Christ just by seeing Apostle Paul or Peter or John etc.

▪︎▪︎ But I can say I received the Lord Jesus Christ just by receiving anyone of these Brethren or Messengers of the Lord Jesus.

If I send a messenger to you, how you treated my messenger is how you treated me because the messenger represented me in the message. But yet you have not seen me even though you have seen my messenger.

But in the case of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself as Messenger of God the Father, just by seeing Jesus Christ you have seen God — He is the express Image or Manifest of the Most God live and direct. Yet, He's sent by God. Jesus Christ is God sending Himself. No controversy or ambiguity.

(AKJV+) 1 Timothy 3:16:
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

Do you genuinely lack understanding or you just purposely avoid it?

Obviously it was a rhetorical question which I answered, because I have Jesus in me doesn't mean I am Jesus.

Now at times you show you understand then it's like you avoid trying to comprehend

You claim that Jesus is God because he said God is in him but Jesus never said he is God, and even though what he said doesn't mean he is God.

You never saw the disciples, yet those who saw them said they were like Christ. Do you now see that you are avoiding the very narrative that can help you understand because you don't want to see the truth but to keep believing what you claim is true.

You write this
"you have not seen me even though you have seen my messenger." Then you write, "Yet, He's sent by God. Jesus Christ is God sending Himself. No controversy or ambiguity." It must have felt powerful writing this, it sounds so mystical so so, wow wow, but in actual truth it is nonsense. No matter how good you feel about this, it doesn't make it the truth. One begins to question you mentioned feel good messages that contradict the word of God yet you are doing the exact same thing.

God never said he was sending Himself in all of scripture from Genesis to Malachi, but here you are claiming He did, contradicting what you could have understood and comprehended if you.

The original text of 1 Timothy 3:16 doesn't have the word theos.
1Tim.3.16 Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory. (NIV)

NLT turns the He to Christ, while KJVs turn He to God. The same KJV that added Father word Spirit to 1 John 5.7.

According to you, you would understand
John.3.34 For he is sent by God. He speaks God's words, for God's Spirit is upon him without measure or limit.

As God sent God and poured God upon God without measure, and the confusion will make you feel like you are under anointing 🤦

Jesus is the image of God but he is not God. Look they don't need to go round about and be cunning if Jesus is God they will be many many many times he is called God and not image of God, word of God, Messenger of God and the like

PCHC:
It's not about picking up stones to cast at others or even about looking beneath your feet — This is about discerning the Stumbling Stone Himself, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Those about to condemn the woman caught in adultery could not pick up stones and cast stones at her because they stumbled at the greatest Stone, who wrote on the ground and spoke to them. That Stone or Rock was the Lord Jesus Christ.

you call him stumbling stone but he is the cornerstone, of which the woman was still standing. They all accused her but the stone stood firm because the truth will always stand. God said he would send a man, and he sent a man and that man is at his right hand now. God said you shall have no other god besides Him, God said He is God alone and there is no other. God said, God said, but yet what are you saying, yet you say you speak for God.

When your words contradict God and make Him a liar, are you sure you were sent with the word of God? Or you are accusing the very word of God of being a lie?

A man and his wife are one body or one flesh, but not one person. One flesh or one body is different from one or the same person.

■ In this Marriage case, there are two persons (or more) in one body (one flesh)

■ In Godhead case, there are three Persons in one God.

what you have just written here means that one God isn't a real person but an analogy like the one flesh of two married people. And that there was never one God whose name is JHVH but three your god the father, god the son and god the holy Spirit.

I typed something here but mercy is speaking, so I erased it. Listen some of us heard that lie as well but we listened to God and accepted his correction and repented from our error. If you choose to remain stubborn it's your choice, but you have to perceive when God is speaking to you through His Spirit, if not, who can help you, no one can.

Sometimes, Logic also denies the Truth, especially the logic of fools.

Oh dear, I have spoken only of God's Word all through. Your ignorance of this does not invalidate it.

Hmm, my responses to this may have been different if I read this earlier but I leave you for God.

I understand unity and bonds, but you obviously don't understand something greater than unity, which is core essence. Trying to use "Unity" to analyze and interpret the GodHead shows your lack of understanding on this matter.

It is not unity that binds God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit together. These three are not One because they are bonded by unity, unlike other united entities you referenced here.

It's the very Core Essence of GodHead, far beyond unity, that is in the omnipresence of God, omnipotence of God and omniscience of God.

who is God, He is the creator of all, He is our Father, He is the person I love and adore, who is Jesus, he is the firstborn our king who paid the price for us all. Maybe one day you will come to know the truth. If mercy is speaking you had better listen, because my rebuke isn't what you should fear.

gohf:
You who have increased in learning have you increased to the extent you have learnt the so called deep secrets of Satan?
That your ears cannot hear the truth anymore?

Nil to that

I told you to increase learning, but you rebelliously questioned whether I have increased learning the deep secrets of Satan that my ears cannot hear the truth anymore.

Learning the deep secrets of Satan or knowing the depth of Satan is not learning, but unlearning, to me.

[Revelation 2:24 TLV] — “But to the rest of you in Thyatira, who do not hold to this teaching and have not learned the so-called ‘deep things’ of satan—I place on you no other burden.

I increase in learning because I am wise: and the wise have ears to hear and increase learning.

[Proverbs 1:5 MKJV] — the wise hears and increases learning; and understanding ones get wisdom;

gohf:
You read all that I wrote but instead quoted another text you lack understanding of, are you not being too arrogant to give another an advice 🤨😮‍💨

I do not speak without understanding of whatever I quote or say, rather I speak from understanding. My understanding has no arrogance, or it will not be understanding.

But you are he who darkens counsel by your many words without knowledge.

gohf:
Did you study John 20, wait, do you study the bible with the Holy Spirit or you just quote verses out of it to post your messages.

You read this John.20.28 "My Lord and my God!" Thomas exclaimed.

So tell me did you not read this as well
John.20.31 But these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing in him you will have life.

No you choose to believe that Thomas was calling Jesus God. Basic wisdom would state that the supposed conclusion should have been that you may believe that Jesus is God. No but Satan made up that conclusion like he made up the "jump off the roof" idea.

You saying Satan made up the conclusion that Jesus is God, and you doubting the Understanding and Spirit of God in he who is affirming to you that Jesus Christ is God, confirms your lack of understanding and foolishness.

But don't worry, you are a foolish man whom I still want to keep discussing the word of God with, especially because you said God sent you to teach His people, and I would love help you gain understanding to become better teacher.

Which of these three statements do your current level of folly agrees is true:

1. Jesus Christ is the Lord

2. Jesus Christ is God

3. Jesus Christ is the Son of God

These three statements were all said or made about Jesus Christ in the same "JOHN 20"

If you believe any one of the three, then you must believe everyone of the three. The reason is because the three statements are the basically the same:

The Lord = God (The Lord is God)

The Son of God = God (The Son of God is God)

The word "The Lord" means "Yahweh or Jehovah." So, Jesus is the Lord means Jesus is Yahweh or Jesus is Jehovah.

[Philippians 2:11] — and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Jehovah, to the glory of God the Father.

The Word "Son of God" means "God," just as the word "Son of man" means "Man" or son of a lion means a lion. The Son of God is God with us - Immanuel. Jesus Christ is also called "The Mighty God" and "The Everlasting Father"

[Isaiah 9:6 MKJV] — For to us a Child is born, to us a Son is given; and the government shall be on His shoulder; and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Again, which of those three statements about Jesus Christ in John 20 do you believe and agrees with to begin with?

gohf:
Look you have so much learning yet this is nonsense you wrote, "The Words Jesus Christ spoke are not in His Authority, but He is the Word of God. My words do not come out and say anything without me letting them out, but my words are essentially myself in communication." As your understanding and answer to my question, Do you not believe that "The words which Jesus spoke was not on his own authority?

Let me look at your other responses, hopefully I can see who you are through your words 😁

I understand why these are nonsense to you, because you lack understanding of them. There's no better way to see who I am than through my words.

[John 14:10 MKJV] — Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father in Me? The Words that I speak to you I do not speak of Myself, but the Father who dwells in Me, He does the works.

gohf:
Do you genuinely lack understanding or you just purposely avoid it?

Obviously it was a rhetorical question which I answered, because I have Jesus in me doesn't mean I am Jesus.

Now at times you show you understand then it's like you avoid trying to comprehend

Indeed, you having Jesus in you does not make you Jesus. But having Jesus without having understanding of Who He is not good at all. I am not avoiding to comprehend any of your arguments because you lack understanding, though you think you know what you are arguing about.

gohf:
You claim that Jesus is God because he said God is in him but Jesus never said he is God, and even though what he said doesn't mean he is God.

You lied - Jesus Christ said, "I Am the Son of God." You using "Never" to utter this folly reveals much. Rather, Jesus has been saying He is God almost in five chapters of John, and He never denied He is God.

[John 10:33-38 BSB] — “We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.” Jesus replied, “Is it not written in your Law: ‘I have said you are gods’? If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— then what about the One whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world? How then can you accuse Me of blasphemy for stating that I am the Son of God? If I am not doing the works of My Father, then do not believe Me. But if I am doing them, even though you do not believe Me, believe the works themselves, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I am in the Father.”

gohf:
You never saw the disciples, yet those who saw them said they were like Christ. Do you now see that you are avoiding the very narrative that can help you understand because you don't want to see the truth but to keep believing what you claim is true.

You write this
"you have not seen me even though you have seen my messenger." Then you write, "Yet, He's sent by God. Jesus Christ is God sending Himself. No controversy or ambiguity." It must have felt powerful writing this, it sounds so mystical so so, wow wow, but in actual truth it is nonsense. No matter how good you feel about this, it doesn't make it the truth. One begins to question you mentioned feel good messages that contradict the word of God yet you are doing the exact same thing.

Help me Lord to handle this:

Oh man, you really need to learn before you teach.

One of the criteria required to become an "Apostle in the Bible" is for a man to See Jesus Christ, not for the man to see a disciple of Jesus Christ that looks like Him. Paul met the criteria of becoming an Apostle because Paul saw Jesus Christ, and not a disciple of Jesus Christ.

[1 Corinthians 9:1 BSB] — Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are you yourselves not my workmanship in the Lord?

Wait, if someone ask you, have you seen Jesus Christ? would you say because you saw a pastor or a man of God therefore you have seen Jesus Christ? If yes, then that would be false vision.

gohf:
God never said he was sending Himself in all of scripture from Genesis to Malachi, but here you are claiming He did, contradicting what you could have understood and comprehended if you.

The original text of 1 Timothy 3:16 doesn't have the word theos.
1Tim.3.16 Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory. (NIV)

NLT turns the He to Christ, while KJVs turn He to God. The same KJV that added Father word Spirit to 1 John 5.7.

According to you, you would understand
John.3.34 For he is sent by God. He speaks God's words, for God's Spirit is upon him without measure or limit.

God had been saying He will come Himself or Send Himself, but not in the ways you now understand. All the version, whether "He" or "God" used, speaks of the mystery of godliness or "Incarnation" of God and dwelt among men as "Immanuel - God with us."

gohf:
As God sent God and poured God upon God without measure, and the confusion will make you feel like you are under anointing 🤦

Jesus is the image of God but he is not God. Look they don't need to go round about and be cunning if Jesus is God they will be many many many times he is called God and not image of God, word of God, Messenger of God and the like

Do not be like this. God sent God is better expressed, God sent His Son. When He sent Himself, He goes or comes by the name or title, "Son of God, Spirit of God, Word of God." These titles or names of Him are what He bears as Messenger, while at the same time He as the one who sends in Heaven is called "The Father."

The Lord is the Spirit

PCHC:
Nil to that

I told you to increase learning, but you rebelliously questioned whether I have increased learning the deep secrets of Satan that my ears cannot hear the truth anymore.

Learning the deep secrets of Satan or knowing the depth of Satan is not learning, but unlearning, to me.

[Revelation 2:24 TLV] — “But to the rest of you in Thyatira, who do not hold to this teaching and have not learned the so-called ‘deep things’ of satan—I place on you no other burden.

I increase in learning because I am wise: and the wise have ears to hear and increase learning.

[Proverbs 1:5 MKJV] — the wise hears and increases learning; and understanding ones get wisdom;






I do not speak without understanding of whatever I quote or say, rather I speak from understanding. My understanding has no arrogance, or it will not be understanding.

But you are he who darkens counsel by your many words without knowledge.






You saying Satan made up the conclusion that Jesus is God, and you doubting the Understanding and Spirit of God in he who is affirming to you that Jesus Christ is God, confirms your lack of understanding and foolishness.

But don't worry, you are a foolish man whom I still want to keep discussing the word of God with, especially because you said God sent you to teach His people, and I would love help you gain understanding to become better teacher.

Which of these three statements do your current level of folly agrees is true:

1. Jesus Christ is the Lord

2. Jesus Christ is God

3. Jesus Christ is the Son of God

These three statements were all said or made about Jesus Christ in the same "JOHN 20"

If you believe any one of the three, then you must believe everyone of the three. The reason is because the three statements are the basically the same:

The Lord = God (The Lord is God)

The Son of God = God (The Son of God is God)

The word "The Lord" means "Yahweh or Jehovah." So, Jesus is the Lord means Jesus is Yahweh or Jesus is Jehovah.

[Philippians 2:11] — and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Jehovah, to the glory of God the Father.

The Word "Son of God" means "God," just as the word "Son of man" means "Man" or son of a lion means a lion. The Son of God is God with us - Immanuel. Jesus Christ is also called "The Mighty God" and "The Everlasting Father"

[Isaiah 9:6 MKJV] — For to us a Child is born, to us a Son is given; and the government shall be on His shoulder; and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Again, which of those three statements about Jesus Christ in John 20 do you believe and agrees with to begin with?










I understand why these are nonsense to you, because you lack understanding of them. There's no better way to see who I am than through my words.

[John 14:10 MKJV] — Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father in Me? The Words that I speak to you I do not speak of Myself, but the Father who dwells in Me, He does the works.

Hmm you say I am he who darkens counsel by your many words without knowledge.

Could you not have been patient and listened.

Since what I have said to you are dark counsels, may you never believe them, may you never seen any light from them. May you continue in your ways till the end.


I apologize for the rebuke, continue in your light

gohf:
you call him stumbling stone but he is the cornerstone, of which the woman was still standing. They all accused her but the stone stood firm because the truth will always stand. God said he would send a man, and he sent a man and that man is at his right hand now.

Jesus Christ is both the Corner Stone and the Stumbling Stone: To the accusers of the woman, He was the Stumbling Stone, but to the Woman He was the Corner Stone:

[1 Peter 2:6-8 TLV] — For it says in Scripture, “Behold, I lay in Zion a stone, a chosen, precious cornerstone. Whoever trusts in Him will never be put to shame.” Now the value is for you who keep trusting; but for those who do not trust, “The stone which the builders rejected—this One has become the chief cornerstone,” and “a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.” They stumble because they are disobeying the word—to this they were also appointed.

gohf:
God said you shall have no other god besides Him, God said He is God alone and there is no other. God said, God said, but yet what are you saying, yet you say you speak for God.

Have no other God "Beside Him" - We are not having another God beside Him, but having another God inside Him.

The word God already mean there are Gods inside God. This is because the word God came from the Hebrew word, "Elohim" which is a Plural word for "Gods in God." The singular word to Elohim is "El." Genesis 1:1 states, in the beginning, "Elohim" (Gods in God) created the heavens and the earth. Then down to verse 26, Elohim said, "Let Us (plural) make man in Our Image..."

So, having any other God besides Him is forbidden, but in Him "GodHead or Elohim" is the Father, the Word (The Son) and the Holy Spirit.

gohf:
When your words contradict God and make Him a liar, are you sure you were sent with the word of God? Or you are accusing the very word of God of being a lie?

My words have not contradicted God or made Him a liar; rather it is the man who denies the Son of God as God that makes God a liar.

[1 John 5:10-12 ERV] — Whoever believes in the Son of God has the truth that God told us. But people who do not believe God make God a liar, because they do not believe what God told us about His Son. This is what God told us: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. Whoever has the Son has life, but whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.

gohf:
what you have just written here means that one God isn't a real person but an analogy like the one flesh of two married people. And that there was never one God whose name is JHVH but three your god the father, god the son and god the holy Spirit.

I have always maintained there is only One God, not three Gods. But the in Persons inside the One God are more than One entity. This is not analogy from two married people, but a reality and truth. Marriage is a union, but the GodHead is Core Essence of the Infinite and Eternal Being.

gohf:
I typed something here but mercy is speaking, so I erased it. Listen some of us heard that lie as well but we listened to God and accepted his correction and repented from our error. If you choose to remain stubborn it's your choice, but you have to perceive when God is speaking to you through His Spirit, if not, who can help you, no one can.

Yes, mercy is speaking; but you needed mercy to speak more for you than I do. You didn't have to show you typed something you regretted and erased, and even more you didn't have to show your errors and follies.

gohf:
Hmm, my responses to this may have been different if I read this earlier but I leave you for God.

Whatever you bring to the table before me, I will address and correct.

gohf:
who is God, He is the creator of all, He is our Father, He is the person I love and adore, who is Jesus, he is the firstborn our king who paid the price for us all. Maybe one day you will come to know the truth. If mercy is speaking you had better listen, because my rebuke isn't what you should fear.

Who is God?

God is the Lord

Who is Jesus?

Jesus is the Lord

gohf:
Hmm you say I am he who darkens counsel by your many words without knowledge.

Could you not have been patient and listened.

Since what I have said to you are dark counsels, may you never believe them, may you never seen any light from them. May you continue in your ways till the end.


I apologize for the rebuke, continue in your light

Your words were darkness to counsels, and so there was no way light was to be seen from them forever and ever.

Your apology statement calls that a "Rebuke" but even Peter thought he was "Rebuking" the Lord Jesus Christ when the Lord Jesus said to Peter, "Get behind me Satan..."

You are more in need of learning of the Lord Jesus Christ, than in need of offering any apology to me.

PCHC:
Indeed, you having Jesus in you does not make you Jesus. But having Jesus without having understanding of Who He is not good at all. I am not avoiding to comprehend any of your arguments because you lack understanding, though you think you know what you are arguing about.






You lied - Jesus Christ said, "I Am the Son of God." You using "Never" to utter this folly reveals much. Rather, Jesus has been saying He is God almost in five chapters of John, and He never denied He is God.

[John 10:33-38 BSB] — “We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.” Jesus replied, “Is it not written in your Law: ‘I have said you are gods’? If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— then what about the One whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world? How then can you accuse Me of blasphemy for stating that I am the Son of God? If I am not doing the works of My Father, then do not believe Me. But if I am doing them, even though you do not believe Me, believe the works themselves, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I am in the Father.”







Help me Lord to handle this:

Oh man, you really need to learn before you teach.

One of the criteria required to become an "Apostle in the Bible" is for a man to See Jesus Christ, not for the man to see a disciple of Jesus Christ that looks like Him. Paul met the criteria of becoming an Apostle because Paul saw Jesus Christ, and not a disciple of Jesus Christ.

[1 Corinthians 9:1 BSB] — Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are you yourselves not my workmanship in the Lord?

Wait, if someone ask you, have you seen Jesus Christ? would you say because you saw a pastor or a man of God therefore you have seen Jesus Christ? If yes, then that would be false vision.







God had been saying He will come Himself or Send Himself, but not in the ways you now understand. All the version, whether "He" or "God" used, speaks of the mystery of godliness or "Incarnation" of God and dwelt among men as "Immanuel - God with us."






Do not be like this. God sent God is better expressed, God sent His Son. When He sent Himself, He goes or comes by the name or title, "Son of God, Spirit of God, Word of God." These titles or names of Him are what He bears as Messenger, while at the same time He as the one who sends in Heaven is called "The Father."

The Lord is the Spirit

hmm, I lied because I said Yeshua Christ the son of the living God is not God nor a god, but there is only one true God the father YHVH. Ah well If I spoke from my self and my words have no truth in them, then this accusation should never be held against you nor recorded against you. But if my words are true but you rejected them, I dust myself and words off you.

You called them lies so may you never see them as the truth.

PCHC:
Your words were darkness to counsels, and so there was no way light was to be seen from them forever and ever.

Your apology statement calls that a "Rebuke" but even Peter thought he was "Rebuking" the Lord Jesus Christ when the Lord Jesus said to Peter, "Get behind me Satan..."

You are more in need of learning of the Lord Jesus Christ, than in need of offering any apology to me.

it's fine let them remain like that to you forever

PCHC:
Jesus Christ is both the Corner Stone and the Stumbling Stone: To the accusers of the woman, He was the Stumbling Stone, but to the Woman He was the Corner Stone:

[1 Peter 2:6-8 TLV] — For it says in Scripture, “Behold, I lay in Zion a stone, a chosen, precious cornerstone. Whoever trusts in Him will never be put to shame.” Now the value is for you who keep trusting; but for those who do not trust, “The stone which the builders rejected—this One has become the chief cornerstone,” and “a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.” They stumble because they are disobeying the word—to this they were also appointed.











Have no other God "Beside Him" - We are not having another God beside Him, but having another God inside Him.

The word God already mean there are Gods inside God. This is because the word God came from the Hebrew word, "Elohim" which is a Plural word for "Gods in God." The singular word to Elohim is "El." Genesis 1:1 states, in the beginning, "Elohim" (Gods in God) created the heavens and the earth. Then down to verse 26, Elohim said, "Let Us (plural) make man in Our Image..."

So, having any other God besides Him is forbidden, but in Him "GodHead or Elohim" is the Father, the Word (The Son) and the Holy Spirit.







My words have not contradicted God or made Him a liar; rather it is the man who denies the Son of God as God that makes God a liar.

[1 John 5:10-12 ERV] — Whoever believes in the Son of God has the truth that God told us. But people who do not believe God make God a liar, because they do not believe what God told us about His Son. This is what God told us: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. Whoever has the Son has life, but whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.











I have always maintained there is only One God, not three Gods. But the in Persons inside the One God are more than One entity. This is not analogy from two married people, but a reality and truth. Marriage is a union, but the GodHead is Core Essence of the Infinite and Eternal Being.











Yes, mercy is speaking; but you needed mercy to speak more for you than I do. You didn't have to show you typed something you regretted and erased, and even more you didn't have to show your errors and follies.









Whatever you bring to the table before me, I will address and correct.










Who is God?

God is the Lord

Who is Jesus?

Jesus is the Lord

hmmm 🤔, I have read your response. I do need mercy more than you do, it was so nice hearing it speak.

Continue to correct, continue in your way. May my words forever remain foolishness and errors to you. 🙏

May every word you have written here be recorded on your behalf, not one word missing from it.

gohf:
hmmm 🤔, I have read your response. I do need mercy more than you do, it was so nice hearing it speak.

Continue to correct, continue in your way. May my words forever remain foolishness and errors to you. 🙏

May every word you have written here be recorded on your behalf, not one word missing from it.

Your words will not forever remain foolishness and errors to me or to anyone, no matter how you foolishly pray that. The reason is because the Lord's Judgment will correct errors and foolishness before eternity begins. Like you rightly said, every word I have written here and every where else will be recorded on my behalf, and no one should be missing. The Lord and His Angels recording all my words without anyone missing is one of my greatest prayer points.

[Job 19:23-24 ERV] — "I wish someone would write down everything I say. I wish my words were written on a scroll. I wish they were carved with an iron tool into lead or scratched on a rock so that they would last forever.

gohf:
hmm, I lied because I said Yeshua Christ the son of the living God is not God nor a god, but there is only one true God the father YHVH. Ah well If I spoke from my self and my words have no truth in them, then this accusation should never be held against you nor recorded against you. But if my words are true but you rejected them, I dust myself and words off you.

You called them lies so may you never see them as the truth.

Not only did you lie, but also you denied Christ by this statement. It is of the spirit of antichrist that denies "Divinity of Yeshua Christ"

PCHC:
Not only did you lie, but also you denied Christ by this statement. It is of the spirit of antichrist that denies "Divinity of Yeshua Christ"

you are absolutely right, continue in your righteousness 👍