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Shikena:
You make no sense dude. You may be Obi's houseboy but don't be ridiculous by debating like a primary 3 kid.

Oga stop being stupid. You are the one arguing like a kid. If you know you have been cornered in a debate, just have small sense and shut up.

See delusion from this clown o, he actually thought he is capable of cornering people. mpuru mmiri don craze

Believeintruth:
Oga stop being stupid. You are the one arguing like a kid. If you know you have been cornered in a debate, just have small sense and shut up.

Shikena:
See delusion from this clown o, he actually thought he is capable of cornering people. mpuru mmiri don craze

you are the deluded one here. You have been cornered, you have no facts that is why you are saying rubbish.

Brendaniel:
Since you claim to know the solution, what have you done with it ?

What power do I, without an elective position, have to return Nigeria to regional Government?

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Agbadorians will tell you Obasanjo is an Igbo man from Anambra. They so much hate to hear the truth

IPOBs too want to be president of the zoo

the zoo must be very sweet

Believeintruth:
Regional government is what has caused deep seethed tribalism and hatred starting from 1951. We cannot have regional government. What Nigeria needs is a confederation system, which was agreed at Aburi. It was because of the selfishness of the perm secs then that they convinced a naive Gowon to renege on it. That would have solved Nigeria's problems since.

Wrong. Long before we adopted regional Government, tribalism and hatred was already in existence even from 1914. Was there regional Government in 1945 when tribalistic sentiments inspired Northerners to massacre Igbos in Jos? Tribalism comes naturally where people are cemented together without their consent. Tribalism is always built on lack of security and guarantee of ones group's interest. Once you bring people together without them first negotiating and agreeing mutually without duress to how they are going to coexist, the seeds of tribalism is automatically sown. That is human nature and it is a scientific phenomenon. So this idea that tribalism was introduced into Nigeria by one individual, one particular tribe or one particular system of government is very illogical and unscientific. It is peddled by uneducated people who have a very simplistic thought about everything in their lives.
So anyone who ever wished that Nigeria was going to be free of tribalism after being brought to existence without the consent of the people needs to have his education qualification certificate reexmained.
On the issue of Regional system: what is actually meant is federalism and not the mere existence of regions in name. We currently have six regions in Nigeria but would you agree that the present day six regions automatically means we are practicing regional system as we were doing at independence?
On your talk about Confederacy: you are very wrong because if Confederacy was the best for us, how come in the 1957 London Constitutional Conference, even your very Igbo forebears in attendance in representative capacities of their federal constituencies didn't vote for it but made a case for unitary system just that they were defeated by the West and North which voted for federalism? Unitary system makes the centre too powerful while confederalism makes the subnational units too powerful than the center hence these two systems frequently lead to misgovernance and failed state status, hence the representatives to the London Constitutional Conference chose federalism by which the center and subnational units share powers almost equally and are able to checkmate and balance each other's excesses thereby ensuring a stable polity and genuine nation building. Federalism brings healthy competition which many folks like yourself mistake for tribalism.

Aburi Accord had nothing on how the country was going to return to democracy. It was just an agreement on how soldiers were going to be sharing powers far into the future, thus it was meant to forever entrench military rule and a militaristic oligarchy on Nigeria. It even proposed regional army. Where on earth do people operate regional army? So Aburi Accord was an aberration in every sense and was rightly thrown into the dustbin.

Believeintruth:
You are so filled with hatred that you taint your discussions with lies. By the 1964 elections the NPC/NCNC alliance had broken down that even Zik refused to accept to form the government and he called on the military to help restore law and order. The military advice that they cannot be involved then. You conveniently in your bid to tell lies hid that fact.
Again you failed to tell people that AG and NCNC formed an alliance in the 1964 elections, where Adegbenro was the candidate. [/b]There was no way Akintola would have been impeached. [b]He had the backing of Balewa and his breakaway part formed an alliance with NPC.
With the violence already happening in the West and the fact that Balewa and Sardauna had perfected plans to take out AG guys in the plans to wallop the West.

I understand that the truth is difficult to accept hence you accuse me of hate.
Per the first bolded; your attempt to was Zik's hands away from the Central Governments' unlawful intrusion in the Western Region Assembly crisis is dead on arrival because the crisis in question started in 1962 and it was the same year that the governing coalition at the center intruded. And as you correctly said, the Balewa-Zik (NPC-NCNC coalition) broke down in 1964, meaning that Zik only parted ways with Balewa two years after the Western Region crisis started. So that means Zik was still 100% with Balewa when Balewa unlawfully intervened in the Western Region Assembly crisis and started trying to kill AG. So Zik and Balewa did it together.

Per the second bolded, the AG-NCNC Alliance was formed in 1964 as you correctly said. However, that was at the point where Balewa had used and dumped Zik and was still pummelling Zik and using Akintola to rid the Western Region of Igbos in public office and elected positions in Yorubaland, so much that Zik realized that for him and his Eastern Region to survive politically and be able to match Balewa s unrelenting onslaughts, he had to go back to his vomit ( of rejecting Awolowo's proposed AG-NCNC coalition in 1960) which if he had accepted when it was proposed, he as Prime Minister together with Awolowo as finance Minister, would have first of all nipped the North's born to rule agenda in the bud and proceeded to offer the country a very good governance that would have immediately placed Nigeria on the path to massive industrialization and all-round development such that less than fifteen years into post independence nationhood, Nigeria would have become at least a superpower in Africa. But Zik's return to his vomit was an afterthought too late as Awolowo was already in prison through his collusion with Balewa.

Per the third bolded. We are saying the same thing. Without Zik behind Balewa, Balewa's Baking alone wouldn't have saved Akintola. Recall that it was a Zik's loyalist called Ebubedike that physically disrupted Akintola's impeachment process on the floor of The Western Region House of Assembly.

Deadlytruth:
What power do I, without an elective position, have to return Nigeria to regional Government?

Then why don't you run for one and go and make the change?

Believeintruth:
Nigeria was not destroyed at national level by one man Zik. Bros stop the lies

Zik and Balewa destroyed Nigeria because they were the first public office holders in an independent Nigeria to knowingly violate the constitution and disobey court orders in a new democracy thereby setting the bad examples we complain of about our politicians, governors, president, etc till today.

Brendaniel:
Then why don't you run for one and go and make the change?

I don't necessarily need to run for office in order to make a change. Changing a rotten society like ours is a collective efforts thing and before you can get everyone to work together to solve the problem, you must first make sure they even understand the problem in the first instance. If they don't understand the problem, there can't be a consensus among them as to what the solution is. You and I are very well educated on Nigeria's history hence we understand correctly that Nigeria's problem is fundamentally about the faulty structure we currently operate. But those who are not very educated on Nigeria's political history assume that our problem is corruption or bad leaders without knowing that we equally had very bad leaders during the First Republic we all agree was when good governance really happened especially at the regional level with the likes of Michael Okpara, Awolowo and Ahmadu Bello as Regional premiers. Not that these three regional premiers were saints but the structure back then compelled them to offer their best in the atmosphere of healthy competition among the regions. But most indomie generation youths of today don't know all these hence you hear them shouting corruption is our problem, bad and selfish politicians are our problem, Tinubu is our problem, Atiku is our problem, Obi couldn't govern Anambra very well but he wants to govern a bigger Nigeria, Kwankwaso is not fit to rule, Tinubu stole all the money in Lagos so he can't rule, etc. So I am already making a change here by educating people about the power of a right structure in bringing out the best in even satanic and devilish politicians.

Believeintruth:
Oga even Yorubas adjusted Tinubu not to have done anything when he was governor. Even PO the statistics that showed his performance at the time it was published in 2017 showed that he performed.

So the people in the thread below who unanimously adjudged Obi a failure as Anambra Governor are not Igbos?

https://www.nairaland.com/870945/what-exactly-peter-obi-doing/47

Deadlytruth:
So the people in the thread below who unanimously adjudged Obi a failure as Anambra Governor are not Igbos?

https://www.nairaland.com/870945/what-exactly-peter-obi-doing/47

Oga when you are ready to stop being stupid, let me know.

Deadlytruth:
Zik and Balewa destroyed Nigeria because they were the first public office holders in an independent Nigeria to knowingly violate the constitution and disobey court orders in a new democracy thereby setting the bad examples we complain of about our politicians, governors, president, etc till today.

Zik had no administrative powers he was a ceremonial president. So please fear God and stop lying.

Deadlytruth:
I understand that the truth is difficult to accept hence you accuse me of hate.
Per the first bolded; your attempt to was Zik's hands away from the Central Governments' unlawful intrusion in the Western Region Assembly crisis is dead on arrival because the crisis in question started in 1962 and it was the same year that the governing coalition at the center intruded. And as you correctly said, the Balewa-Zik (NPC-NCNC coalition) broke down in 1964, meaning that Zik only parted ways with Balewa two years after the Western Region crisis started. So that means Zik was still 100% with Balewa when Balewa unlawfully intervened in the Western Region Assembly crisis and started trying to kill AG. So Zik and Balewa did it together.

Per the second bolded, the AG-NCNC Alliance was formed in 1964 as you correctly said. However, that was at the point where Balewa had used and dumped Zik and was still pummelling Zik and using Akintola to rid the Western Region of Igbos in public office and elected positions in Yorubaland, so much that Zik realized that for him and his Eastern Region to survive politically and be able to match Balewa s unrelenting onslaughts, he had to go back to his vomit ( of rejecting Awolowo's proposed AG-NCNC coalition in 1960) which if he had accepted when it was proposed, he as Prime Minister together with Awolowo as finance Minister, would have first of all nipped the North's born to rule agenda in the bud and proceeded to offer the country a very good governance that would have immediately placed Nigeria on the path to massive industrialization and all-round development such that less than fifteen years into post independence nationhood, Nigeria would have become at least a superpower in Africa. But Zik's return to his vomit was an afterthought too late as Awolowo was already in prison through his collusion with Balewa.

Per the third bolded. We are saying the same thing. Without Zik behind Balewa, Balewa's Baking alone wouldn't have saved Akintola. Recall that it was a Zik's loyalist called Ebubedike that physically disrupted Akintola's impeachment process on the floor of The Western Region House of Assembly.

Zik was never behind Balewa even at the time of the census Zik was already having issues with Balewa's style of governance.
Note again that Zik was a ceremonial president without administrative powers, and as such it was Balewa,not Zik that was to blame.

Deadlytruth:
Wrong. Long before we adopted regional Government, tribalism and hatred was already in existence even from 1914. Was there regional Government in 1945 when tribalistic sentiments inspired Northerners to massacre Igbos in Jos? Tribalism comes naturally where people are cemented together without their consent. Tribalism is always built on lack of security and guarantee of ones group's interest. Once you bring people together without them first negotiating and agreeing mutually without duress to how they are going to coexist, the seeds of tribalism is automatically sown. That is human nature and it is a scientific phenomenon. So this idea that tribalism was introduced into Nigeria by one individual, one particular tribe or one particular system of government is very illogical and unscientific. It is peddled by uneducated people who have a very simplistic thought about everything in their lives.
So anyone who ever wished that Nigeria was going to be free of tribalism after being brought to existence without the consent of the people needs to have his education qualification certificate reexmained.
On the issue of Regional system: what is actually meant is federalism and not the mere existence of regions in name. We currently have six regions in Nigeria but would you agree that the present day six regions automatically means we are practicing regional system as we were doing at independence?
On your talk about Confederacy: you are very wrong because if Confederacy was the best for us, how come in the 1957 London Constitutional Conference, even your very Igbo forebears in attendance in representative capacities of their federal constituencies didn't vote for it but made a case for unitary system just that they were defeated by the West and North which voted for federalism? Unitary system makes the centre too powerful while confederalism makes the subnational units too powerful than the center hence these two systems frequently lead to misgovernance and failed state status, hence the representatives to the London Constitutional Conference chose federalism by which the center and subnational units share powers almost equally and are able to checkmate and balance each other's excesses thereby ensuring a stable polity and genuine nation building. Federalism brings healthy competition which many folks like yourself mistake for tribalism.

Aburi Accord had nothing on how the country was going to return to democracy. It was just an agreement on how soldiers were going to be sharing powers far into the future, thus it was meant to forever entrench military rule and a militaristic oligarchy on Nigeria. It even proposed regional army. Where on earth do people operate regional army? So Aburi Accord was an aberration in every sense and was rightly thrown into the dustbin.

Oga Zik only wanted Unitary system, stop putting the igbos into this. Your hatred for the igbos is a mental illness and I really pity you because when you use that hatred to set this country ablaze, trust me when the dust settles your details will be found out and you will be executed via firing squad.

Believeintruth:
Oga when you are ready to stop being stupid, let me know.

Unkulu, why not answer the QUESTION, seems straightforward enough? Are the people giving it to Peter Obi wotowoto in that thread no longer Nd'anambra.

Forget dat wan you dey tok.

aswani:
Unkulu, why not answer the QUESTION, seems straightforward enough? Are the people giving it to Peter Obi wotowoto in that thread no longer Nd'anambra.

Forget dat wan you dey tok.

Oga it is very simple. Stop tag teaming, mind your business and stop being stupid
We all knew that PO was attacked because he was not in PDP. Ask anyone from Anambra they will tell you that the golden years of Anambra was during PO's time.

Believeintruth:
Oga it is very simple. Stop tag teaming, mind your business and stop being stupid
We all knew that PO was attacked because he was not in PDP. Ask anyone from Anambra they will tell you that the golden years of Anambra was during PO's time.

I'll ignore the insults as that is normal for you.

The ones we can ask on Nairaland were telling us how poor a governor he was with their posts. Now you are telling us to "ask anyone".

Do these anyone you want us to ask not post on Nairaland at all pre LP Peter Obi bribery?

aswani:
I'll ignore the insults as that is normal for you.

The ones we can ask on Nairaland were telling us how poor a governor he was with their posts. Now you are telling us to "ask anyone".

Do these anyone you want us to ask not post on Nairaland at all pre LP Peter Obi bribery?

Did I talk about riches here? You guys should be sensible for once naaaa. Ask anyone in Anambra they will tell you that the golden years of the state was under PO.

Believeintruth:
Did I talk about riches here? You guys should be sensible for once naaaa. Ask anyone in Anambra they will tell you that the golden years of the state was under PO.

Poor performance not poor financially.

Doctors strike is golden years àbi?

And with that, I will leave the floor to you to have the last word on this.

aswani:
Poor performance not poor financially.

Doctors strike is golden years àbi?

And with that, I will leave the floor to you to have the last word on this.

Even the strike was not about salary because PO increased their salaries and that reminds me Fashola on advice of Tinubu sacked rhe doctors that were on strike in Lagos the same time Anambra went on strike. Oga please just shut up abeg.

Believeintruth:
Even the strike was not about salary because PO increased their salaries and that reminds me Fashola on advice of Tinubu sacked rhe doctors that were on strike in Lagos the same time Anambra went on strike. Oga please just shut up abeg.

What do I care about Fasola, have you seen me defend his tenure in Lagos or compare it favourably to others. By the way, Fashola stopped listening to President Tinubu in his first term of office.

Also did I tell you the strike was about pay? Do you know how long it went for?

And then why did Obi do an Obaseki and only have LGA chairmen on his way out.

Stay in one place and stop the conflating.

Believeintruth:
Oga it is very simple. Stop tag teaming, mind your business and stop being stupid
We all knew that PO was attacked because he was not in PDP. Ask anyone from Anambra they will tell you that the golden years of Anambra was during PO's time.

You'd be wise to avoid engaging with that 3-faced Yoruba man. He has serious issues with his beliefs and ideals 😕

He always says he is neither hot nor cold, here nor there but whenever you read his comments the aura of Agbad0 RoNu is always heavy around his neck like a chain

SeeWahala:
You'd be wise to avoid engaging with that 3-faced Yoruba man. He has serious issues with his beliefs and ideals 😕

He always says he is neither hot nor cold, here nor there but whenever you read his comments the aura of Agbad0 RoNu is always heavy around his neck like a chain

I know his type and I know how two faced they can be.

aswani:
What do I care about Fasola, have you seen me defend his tenure in Lagos or compare it favourably to others. By the way, Fashola stopped listening to President Tinubu in his first term of office.

Also did I tell you the strike was about pay? Do you know how long it went for?

And then why did Obi do an Obaseki and only have LGA chairmen on his way out.

Stay in one place and stop the conflating.

Stop gaslighting and trying to project what you do on me. You talked about the strike action and I gave you reasons and to further show your hypocrisy and lies I reminded you that Lagos state doctors were also on strike the same time Anambra went on strike, while PO emphasizednon dialogue as a leader should, Fashola sacked the doctors based on advice from Tinubu.
You are the one that is dancing everywhere and not making a point(stop copying my words).
You are not smart in this game of propaganda you ate still a learner.

Believeintruth:
Stop gaslighting and trying to project what you do on me. You talked about the strike action and I gave you reasons and to further show your hypocrisy and lies I reminded you that Lagos state doctors were also on strike the same time Anambra went on strike, while PO emphasizednon dialogue as a leader should, Fashola sacked the doctors based on advice from Tinubu.
You are the one that is dancing everywhere and not making a point(stop copying my words).
You are not smart in this game of propaganda you ate still a learner.

You are trying to bore me to death àbi?

First off. Stop using that word gaslight, it is out of context.

OK let's do this slowly, did doctors strike during Peter Obi's tenure?

Are there threads on here showing Nd'anambra posters abusing or insulting Peter Obi?

It can't be hypocrisy when ignoring Fashola because I never once raised him as some standard other governors should achieve.

Please stop the conflating.

Stay in one spot so thunder can fire you (now those are your words).

aswani:
You are trying to bore me to death àbi?

First off. Stop using that word gaslight, it is out of context.

OK let's do this slowly, did doctors strike during Peter Obi's tenure?

Are there threads on here showing Nd'anambra posters abusing or insulting Peter Obi?

It can't be hypocrisy when ignoring Fashola because I never once raised him as some standard other governors should achieve.

Please stop the conflating.

Stay in one spot so thunder can fire you (now those are your words).

You see the last line you made referring to thunder, you are copying it from me. Stay one place and stop dancing everywhere. PObwas hated initially because of the sympathy people had because of how Ngige was treated. In that first tenure he was impeached twice.

Again you are doing a poor job at gaslighting and twisting my words. I never denied that doctors didn't strike, but what was the reason for the strike? They wanted the state to implement the new salary structure which he did, then they went on strike because they wanted certain condition to be met.he had a dialogue with them and a compromise was reached.
Fashola under advice from Tinubu sacked the medical doctors who were also protesting for the implementation of the new salary structure.
Dude you are still a learner in rhe art of being two faced and being a hypocrite.

Believeintruth:
You see the last line you made referring to thunder, you are copying it from me. Stay one place and stop dancing everywhere. PObwas hated initially because of the sympathy people had because of how Ngige was treated. In that first tenure he was impeached twice.

Again you are doing a poor job at gaslighting and twisting my words. I never denied that doctors didn't strike, but what was the reason for the strike? They wanted the state to implement the new salary structure which he did, then they went on strike because they wanted certain condition to be met.he had a dialogue with them and a compromise was reached.
Fashola under advice from Tinubu sacked the medical doctors who were also protesting for the implementation of the new salary structure.
Dude you are still a learner in rhe art of being two faced and being a hypocrite.

I need to get ready for the Villa match.

Hopefully put you in back in your box after that.

aswani:
I need to get ready for the Villa match.

Hopefully put you in back in your box after that.

Oga you are not a competition or a hustle that I need to put in any box. You don't matter in the scheme of things, you are inconsequential, so stop overestimating your importance.

Believeintruth:
Oga you are not a competition or a hustle that I need to put in any box. You don't matter in the scheme of things, you are inconsequential, so stop overestimating your importance.

https://www.nairaland.com/870945/what-exactly-peter-obi-doing/47

So tell us about this thread, Mr Golden years ask anyone from Anambra?

aswani:
https://www.nairaland.com/870945/what-exactly-peter-obi-doing/47

So tell us about this thread, Mr Golden years ask anyone from Anambra?

Dude stop repeating the same thing. I have answered you before. Read my comment again. Look you are still a learner when it comes to propaganda. Look for something that can stick.

Believeintruth:
Dude stop repeating the same thing. I have answered you before. Read my comment again. Look you are still a learner when it comes to propaganda. Look for something that can stick.

We have a 47 page thread of Nd'anambra bitch slapping Peter Obi and you, his fan boy holding his dick like a throttle, are looking to convince us that anyone will tell you Anambra state had a golden era during his tenure.

Are the people in that thread from Ala Yoruba it what?

Go and tell the "patients" of striking doctors that they were not on strike because of pay.

You haven't answered anything Unkulu, you have just turned up to conflate and insult people. One day you will grow out of that.