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The summary is man concludes on the surface but God knows the intent of the heart. God killed Onah because of his wicked intentions. He agreed to produce seeds for his late brother but his intention was to keep having fun with the widow and not to impregnate her.

Discountsempai:
It had nothing to do with Onan spilling his seed, and the verse in question had nothing to do with masturbation (and no, I am not excusing masturbation...especially as I have never engaged in it, because quite frankly it does not make sense).

Onan was supposed to marry his late brother's wife, and under the customs of that time, the first child he had with his wife would be counted as his brother's child (strange to us, but in a society with high child mortality, and a concern over keeping lineages alive...).

Onan refused to do that because (as the verses imply)...he hated his brother Er. So, out of bitterness, he denied Er THE RIGHT TO KEEP his lineage alive.

Essentially, what Onan also was doing was

1. Denying Tamar the right to have a child...in a society where barreness was a BIG STIGMA. (See how Jacob, Onan's grandpa, wife Rachel felt about having no kids...and later on Hannah. And even Sarah, Onan's great-great grandmother).

2. Essentially telling his father that he wanted both his and Er's inheritance...ie greed. If he had done what he was supposed to do, then when Judah died, his firstborn son would have gotten Er's portion of the inheritance. By having no kids, he gets a dobule portion.

3. Essentially commiting an injustice to his late brother and dishonoring his memory.

Thus..as the bible put it in Genesis 38 vs 8-10

8 Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.” 9 But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. 10 What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also

So, nothing to do with seed or with masturbation as the OP thinks it does.

At its base it is a story about how harmful greed and resentment can be. And how wickedness also can provoke resentment (Er is described as a wicked man, so it is obvious that he was wicked to his two younger brothers, breeding anger and resentment).

Very detailed and comprehensive. Thanks so much.

From a Biological perspective, I think Onan was just a mumu to assume the kids wouldn’t be his. I mean, it’ll be his DNA/RNA running through the kids not that of his Brother, No?

You people overhype and focus more on Sexual things more than Corruption

Sex is Natural Corruption is not

Focus on Corruption and leave sex Alone
Everytime sex this sex that
Still All of una dey Bleep low key

Biblical scholars universally agree that the biblical story of Onan is not about masturbation nor about contraception per se or the "wasting of semen" but his refusal to fulfill his obligation of levirate-marriage with Tamar by committing coitus interruptus.

A plain reading of the text is that Onan was killed because he refused to follow instructions.

9 But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother.


Onan knew that any Son borne out of his intercourse with his Brother’s widow, even tho it’s biologically his own, would bear his eldest brother’s name, and therefore would claim the double inheritance of the first born male.

I believe that’s why he did what he did.


God killed Onan for breaching a contract.

Final answer.

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gohf:
First off why what you have written is a lie

Lev.15.16 "Whenever a man has an emission of semen, he must wash his entire body, and he will remain ceremonially defiled until evening.

It doesn't matter how he released his sperm, be it masturbation or during sex, he is unclean till evening. Not that the laws of uncleanliness matter anymore seeing Jesus has set us free from those laws and has cleansed us. But you twist the scriptures for your own message and purpose.

Then you lie that, "God killed Onan because he in outright disobedience, desecrated his semen by pouring it out on the floor instead of procreating with Tamar."

Whereas God killed him for his selfish wickedness. You do not understand the law nor do you know God. Because if you did you wouldn't write such

Lev.15.18 - After having sexual intercourse, both the man and the woman must bathe, and they will remain defiled until evening.

Did you even read the verses you quoted. Ah you are an example of why those who attend church must READ whatever is been quoted

Gen.38.9 - 10
But Onan was not willing to have a child who would not be his own heir. So whenever he had intercourse with Tamar, he spilled the semen on the ground to keep her from having a baby who would belong to his brother.
But the LORD considered it a wicked thing for Onan to deny a child to his dead brother. So the LORD took Onan's life, too.


And Abutwins, this is what is written

Gen.38.7 But Er was a wicked man in the LORD's sight, so the LORD took his life.

I don't understand. Jesus set who free?

And Onan knew that the seed should not be his;... that's the reason

He was killed for act disobedience, the same disobedience why Saul dethroned and Uzzah killed.



Meanwhile, nobody can question what God does!

PS 115:3. God reigns in heaven and does whatever he wishes.

We need to stop interpreting the Bible with our 21st century eyes and delve into the cultures and traditions of the people who it was written about.

Onan was watching mojo and jerking off

GOVERNORR:
God did not slay anyone..

Inspired humans wrote the best selling books and a few greedy other humans in power converted it to a tool to enslave mankind and deprive people of freedom

Anyone who exhibit emotions like anger is human so therefore saying God Slayed man is saying God was angered and like most humans couldn't control the nature

God can never be man who has emotions.
Probably you should read the Bible as a book of wisdom instead of a book of religion

Oga what rubbish r u yapping about? . Will the creator of humans not have attributes of the humans He created . Will He who created d eyes for man not be able to see Himself? Have u read in d bible "the eyes of the Lord", or the hand of the Lord? Oga we are a representation of God imagine. Meaning if we feel sad, happy, angry etc God can feel it also just that while the anger if man does not work righteousness, God's anger does work righteousness.

Didn't God say His a jealous God Same way u catch ur wife knacking another man and u feel jealous also same way God feels wen u worship idols

You actually need to read ur bible and understand these things. This way u won't wanna hurt God u guys see God as a robot without feelings which is wrong

AbuTwins:
Abeg which kind custom is that for a brother to sleep with his brother's widow to produce offspring for him even if he doesn't want to?

Na by force?

And it's not only Onan! The father later slept with the same woman pretending as an harlot and she got pregnant. He wanted to punish her untill he realised he was the culprit.

God punished the sinful first son with death!
God punished the second with death!
The father committed adultery and incest but was forgiven!

How is such fair?

It is a custom that's based on the right of inheritance. The inheritance laws states that a man's inheritance must pass to his children. So such a man who was married already must have those who will inheritance his belongings. There are cultures that have something similar where the widow is inherited by the brothers if the deceased husband. Yoruba and Igbo have such practices.

And it is not by force. If you who have the first right of inheritance refuse, the next of kin to the deceased can take over and so on till one who is interested comes forward. Such happened in the story of Ruth and Boaz

As for your claim about fairness, same can be asked about why Allah allowed Muhammad to take his son's wife. Same Muhammad who had people killed for adultery later committed adultery with Mary the Copt and he was not stoned to death as demanded by Islamic law. How is that fair?!

Discountsempai:
It had nothing to do with Onan spilling his seed, and the verse in question had nothing to do with masturbation (and no, I am not excusing masturbation...especially as I have never engaged in it, because quite frankly it does not make sense).

Onan was supposed to marry his late brother's wife, and under the customs of that time, the first child he had with his wife would be counted as his brother's child (strange to us, but in a society with high child mortality, and a concern over keeping lineages alive...).

Onan refused to do that because (as the verses imply)...he hated his brother Er. So, out of bitterness, he denied Er THE RIGHT TO KEEP his lineage alive.

Essentially, what Onan also was doing was

1. Denying Tamar the right to have a child...in a society where barreness was a BIG STIGMA. (See how Jacob, Onan's grandpa, wife Rachel felt about having no kids...and later on Hannah. And even Sarah, Onan's great-great grandmother).

2. Essentially telling his father that he wanted both his and Er's inheritance...ie greed. If he had done what he was supposed to do, then when Judah died, his (Onan's) firstborn son would have gotten Er's portion of the inheritance. By having no kids, he gets a dobule portion.

3. Essentially commiting an injustice to his late brother and dishonoring his memory.

Thus..as the bible put it in Genesis 38 vs 8-10

8 Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.” 9 But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. 10 What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also

So, nothing to do with seed or with masturbation as the OP thinks it does.

At its base it is a story about how harmful greed and resentment can be. And how wickedness also can provoke resentment (Er is described as a wicked man, so it is obvious that he was wicked to his two younger brothers, breeding anger and resentment).

I wish Nairaland had a love button. You’ve just explained it like it should be. 100%. Kudos to you.

AbuTwins:
Abeg which kind custom is that for a brother to sleep with his brother's widow to produce offspring for him even if he doesn't want to?

Na by force?

And it's not only Onan! The father later slept with the same woman pretending as an harlot and she got pregnant. He wanted to punish her untill he realised he was the culprit.

God punished the sinful first son with death!
God punished the second with death!
The father committed adultery and incest but was forgiven!

How is such fair?

Bro, Onan disobeyed a direct instruction... no further explanations needed.

This write up, how is it gonna change the current situation we are facing in this country? How are we going to be like the white man who took our tradition and gave us Christianity? Have you ever asked yourself why is China, Japan and others who are not Christians are far better than us who claim to read the bible and know God? My friend once told me that, the church has failed us. I never doubted him.
Please, the ealier you start praying so that God will answer our prayers and change the situation at hand, the better. At least, let your name be referenced as the Prophet of our time. It will not be better for the people who introduced Religion that has divided my beloved country.

GOVERNORR:
God did not slay anyone..

Inspired humans wrote the best selling books and a few greedy other humans in power converted it to a tool to enslave mankind and deprive people of freedom

Anyone who exhibit emotions like anger is human so therefore saying God Slayed man is saying God was angered and like most humans couldn't control the nature

God can never be man who has emotions.
Probably you should read the Bible as a book of wisdom instead of a book of religion

Inspired by who?

Shedrack777:
I have concrete evidence that even today, as a married man, if you spill your semen outside the opue, you'll lose your success for one year

What about releasing the semen into the opue, then it leads to pregnancy you do not want?

God doesn't like waanksters.

God hates Vaseline Crew members

AbuTwins:
Abeg which kind custom is that for a brother to sleep with his brother's widow to produce offspring for him even if he doesn't want to?

Na by force?

And it's not only Onan! The father later slept with the same woman pretending as an harlot and she got pregnant. He wanted to punish her untill he realised he was the culprit.

God punished the sinful first son with death!
God punished the second with death!
The father committed adultery and incest but was forgiven!

How is such fair?

Damn... does it mean God was into some freaky shiit

This sounds like an Xvideos skit.

All these fairytales.

Yhwh seems so obsessed with genitals, even that of kids. A similar conundrum happened with Moses or is it Moses' kid with genital foreskin. For such a hung deity it's quite understandable, seeing the Kuntillet Ajrud relic found in Sinai framed alongside his consort Asherah. But jokes aside it's just crappy old jewish tradition called Levirate marriage weaved in with the story of a god to ensure compliance by fear, currently only practiced by some Sephardic jewish groups.

Similar crappy traditions everywhere which are now dumped, funny how god's absolute morals changes with human times. The whole Gen 38 is bleeped up and shows women as nothing but property. Imagine Judah wanting to burn Tamar, basically for being a harlot even though he went to sleep with a harlot unknown to him was same Tamar. Down right hypocritical, treating women like objects.

judewrites:
📖 Genesis 38
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⁸ And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
⁹ And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
¹⁰ And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.


In the Old Testament God gave His people some laws concerning the discharge of semen from a man. (Leviticus 15:16-18)

According to these laws:

👉Anytime a man discharges his semen outside procreation (with his wife) he is considered unclean.

👉Any type of surface a man's semen falls upon is considered unclean.

👉When a man is in the process of procreation (with his wife) and he discharges his semen externally, both of them are unclean.

From these laws, we can see how sacred/sacrosanct man's semen is to God.

God ordained that man's semen should be utilized in procreation (with His wife) and not discharged carelessly/anyhow like in the case of Onan.

God killed Onan because he in outright disobedience, desecrated his semen by pouring it out on the floor instead of procreating with Tamar. (As custom then allowed it to raise children to represent his dead brother)

The major purpose of a man's semen is for procreation; to produce children on earth:

📖 His seed shall be mighty upon earth: the generation of the upright shall be blessed.
— Psalms 112:2

The semen of man is full of supernatural creative energy from God. It can create life therefore it is highly valuable in the spiritual realm.

This is why the more a man practices semen retention, (with bible reading/prayer) the more supernaturally creative he becomes like God Himself. (Hebrews 11:3)

The devil and his cohorts also seek semen to create life/exercise power in the demonic realms.

In God's perspective, a man's semen is LIFE and can create LIFE; therefore it shouldn't be treated with levity like it's done today with many through masturbation, MouthAction, homosexuality, fornication, etc

Unfortunately, the free availability of pornography/prostitution has misled much men in freely desecrating their semen attracting the wrath of God:

📖 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men...
— Romans 1:18

We are under the dispensation of grace by the blood🩸of Jesus, that's why God's wrath hasn't been fully manifested yet.

But grace period will be over soon.

🤣🤣🤣 the pagan , AntilsIam ! You can see your life .

You must not fornicate or else , you will be executed according to your Bible ahaaa and you must preserve your seed ahaa

The way some people insult God in order to disregard His teachings is quite funny.....

And why it's funny is coz these same people will definitely remember Him on their deathbeds......

judewrites:
📖 Genesis 38
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
⁸ And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
⁹ And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
¹⁰ And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.


In the Old Testament God gave His people some laws concerning the discharge of semen from a man. (Leviticus 15:16-18)

According to these laws:

👉Anytime a man discharges his semen outside procreation (with his wife) he is considered unclean.

👉Any type of surface a man's semen falls upon is considered unclean.

👉When a man is in the process of procreation (with his wife) and he discharges his semen externally, both of them are unclean.

From these laws, we can see how sacred/sacrosanct man's semen is to God.

God ordained that man's semen should be utilized in procreation (with His wife) and not discharged carelessly/anyhow like in the case of Onan.

God killed Onan because he in outright disobedience, desecrated his semen by pouring it out on the floor instead of procreating with Tamar. (As custom then allowed it to raise children to represent his dead brother)

The major purpose of a man's semen is for procreation; to produce children on earth:

📖 His seed shall be mighty upon earth: the generation of the upright shall be blessed.
— Psalms 112:2

The semen of man is full of supernatural creative energy from God. It can create life therefore it is highly valuable in the spiritual realm.

This is why the more a man practices semen retention, (with bible reading/prayer) the more supernaturally creative he becomes like God Himself. (Hebrews 11:3)

The devil and his cohorts also seek semen to create life/exercise power in the demonic realms.

In God's perspective, a man's semen is LIFE and can create LIFE; therefore it shouldn't be treated with levity like it's done today with many through masturbation, MouthAction, homosexuality, fornication, etc

Unfortunately, the free availability of pornography/prostitution has misled much men in freely desecrating their semen attracting the wrath of God:

📖 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men...
— Romans 1:18

We are under the dispensation of grace by the blood🩸of Jesus, that's why God's wrath hasn't been fully manifested yet.

But grace period will be over soon.

Your interpretation of the bible is false
All those points are extraneous to the bible
You can't point to any bible passage that says sperm it's highly valuable in the spiritual realm


Heb 11:3 does not in any way refer to sperm. It is even blasphemous to claim you become more like God by retaining sperm. Are you saying sperm is the source of God's power? Be careful bro

You couldn't provide a bible verse to support your claim about the devil needing sperm for power as well

You did not provide proof that God thinks a man's sperm is life. Rather, the bible says the life is in the blood. Lev17:11

Stop twisting the bible

I'm surprised that in this scientific age and time,that there r still some people who still believe in bible bullshit.if u take time to study the bible very well,u will see that the bible is just a cock and bullshit story invented by the middle east men.all Gods were created by man.know this and know peace.also many portions of the bible shows that the writers doesn't even know anything about most of the things they were written down.when I read the portion where Jesus told a multitude lies,I knew bible is just fairytale.jesus told a multitude that truly many of u gathered here will be alive to see me return back to earth.now we know it is pure fat lie.he conned those foolish people

Ficeo:
This write up, how is it gonna change the current situation we are facing in this country? How are we going to be like the white man who took our tradition and gave us Christianity? Have you ever asked yourself why is China, Japan and others who are not Christians are far better than us who claim to read the bible and know God? My friend once told me that, the church has failed us. I never doubted him.
Please, the ealier you start praying so that God will answer our prayers and change the situation at hand, the better. At least, let your name be referenced as the Prophet of our time. It will not be better for the people who introduced Religion that has divided my beloved country.

USA reads the bible, and is better than us.

Also, Nepal is not a christian country and is dirt poor.

North Korea is allegedly an atheist country and is worse than South Korea which is far more religious.

Why some countries are better than others is often times more complicated than religion. China long since abandoned the relgion of their forefathers, and is largely atheist and was also seriously underdeveloped until they got a new leader in the late 1970's who allowed plain old capitalism and industrialization to flourish...and even then 50% of chinese still live below the poverty line.

Japan is the way it is today, because in the mid 19th century their leaders got spooked by the threat of colonialism. SO, they began to modernize. Fast. And a large percentage of Japanese follow Buddhism which is not indigenous to Japan (Buddhism is indigienous to India. Gautama Buddha was an Indian).

Ojuntana:
It is a custom that's based on the right of inheritance. The inheritance laws states that a man's inheritance must pass to his children. So such a man who was married already must have those who will inheritance his belongings. There are cultures that have something similar where the widow is inherited by the brothers if the deceased husband. Yoruba and Igbo have such practices.

And it is not by force. If you who have the first right of inheritance refuse, the next of kin to the deceased can take over and so on till one who is interested comes forward. Such happened in the story of Ruth and Boaz

To say God supports women being inherited as a freemen and not slaves is unbecoming. So you mean God supports the tradition but spilling the sperm and not releasing it in vexed the Lord to kill Onan. Is that your fairness? And you Skipped the hypocrisy of the father that impregnated the daughter in law and wasn't unpunished.

As for your claim about fairness, same can be asked about why Allah allowed Muhammad to take his son's wife. Same Muhammad who had people killed for adultery later committed adultery with Mary the Copt and he was not stoned to death as demanded by Islamic law. How is that fair?!

The definition of a son is whomever someone gave birth to. No one becomes my son just by me saying that or filling a document.
And Abraham slept with her wife's slave girl. But the first wife's son was called a covenant child while the slave's son was not a covenant child.

Israel did the same and married slaves of Rachel and Leah. All their sons became the children of Israel equally.

No fairness at all.

AbuTwins:
Abeg which kind custom is that for a brother to sleep with his brother's widow to produce offspring for him even if he doesn't want to?

Na by force?

And it's not only Onan! The father later slept with the same woman pretending as an harlot and she got pregnant. He wanted to punish her untill he realised he was the culprit.

God punished the sinful first son with death!
God punished the second with death!
The father committed adultery and incest but was forgiven!

How is such fair?

AbuTwins:
Was Er as wicked as Pharaoh or any other wicked person in the Bible that God didn't kill?

Even Er's father that impregnated his daughter in law committing incest plus adultery and accusing the same daughter in law of sin is not deemed wicked to be killed!

Because Judah did NOT commit incest or adultery. Neither Judah nor Tamar was married at the time, so no adultery was committed.

Judah and Tamar were not related by blood, so no incest was committed.

Note that inheriting a dead relative's wife to raise kids for him or for yourself is a common traditional practice around the world.

sylve11:
I don't understand. Jesus set who free?

those under the new covenant which is made by the blood of Jesus.

AbuTwins:
Abeg which kind custom is that for a brother to sleep with his brother's widow to produce offspring for him even if he doesn't want to?

Na by force?

And it's not only Onan! The father later slept with the same woman pretending as an harlot and she got pregnant. He wanted to punish her untill he realised he was the culprit.

God punished the sinful first son with death!
God punished the second with death!
The father committed adultery and incest but was forgiven!

How is such fair?

Igbo have that culture till date...it's called NKUCHI

Ignoramus go read bible, come dey preach nonsense.

Clowns who don't know what wet dream is.