₦airaland Forum

DeOTR:
Fulanis that we used to do suya in offa and osogbo on several occasions and beat them to submission. Mumu, I don't have time for any troll. Werey dey hear Oyo empire and he thinks someone somewhere can build an empire without wars. See the kind of idiiot I'm conversing with?

Go and take back illorin from the Fulanis and we can talk about wars

Konquest:
I'm a veteran of advanced world history since the early 1980s with a large body of historical materials in my archives and home library. So, you are communicating with a man who is very vast in history and geopolitical relations here. You are deliberately fabricating and spreading highly volatile disinformation about the Yorubas who are over 70 million worldwide (which is clearly a VIOLATION of several rules of Nairaland) and you are deliberately DEFLECTING when FACTS have been pointed out to you with several CLEAR sources of books and evidence such as the globally and historically known heavy DEFEAT of the Fulani jihadists (and a few of their Ilorin-Yoruba Muslim collaborators) at the famous Battle of Osogbo in 1840 and at Odo-Otin by the gallant Ibadan Army led by Aare Latoosa, General Oderinlo (who were both practicing Muslims) and other top war commanders from Ibadan with allies from the Osogbo Army using modern weapons got from Europe via Eko Island (Lagos Island) and Ijebuland such as the Shneider guns and more. There are many Weblinks online to easily read about these.

Ilorin is NOT a conquered land. More than 90 percent of Ilorin is of Yoruba lineages and the lingua franca in that capital city is pure Yoruba language. Even the Amir speaks Yoruba language in his daily activities. Before the British Colonialists left Nigeria in 1960, they agreed that it was necessary to have an Oba in Ilorin for the indigenous Yoruba population after a referendum gets concluded. All these are in the archives. The Justice Ekundayo Panel of 1978 also reaffirmed what the British Colonialists said about having an Oba of Ilorin with Chieftaincy upgrades as well.

My convo will end right here.

Illorin is a conquered land the yoruba's there are all under the emir of illorin who is Fulani

Mrfeel:
The slave ruling over you doesn't feed me, igbo president won't feed me, the rate of poverty in the regions of those slaves is higher than the poverty in igboland, we igbos are self made people, nobody helped us after the war but here we are today we are doing fine like we never experienced genocide war against us by the entire country

Is that the reason why your kinsmen run in drove to South West in search of food? Does it make sense for your folks to run to where their is more poverty? You need brain

Honor10:
Is that the reason why your kinsmen run in drove to South West in search of food? Does it make sense for your folks to run to where their is more poverty? You need brain

I have never seen where igbos are getting fed by yoruba's, do yoruba's have food? Igbos don't eat ofe mmanu , dog shit Yoruba food

Konquest:
Very illuminating.

The Kanuris have practiced Islam for over 1000 years while the Yorubas have had Islam for over 500 years with the FIRST EVER mosques built in Iwoland in the current Osun State in the 1600s. All these were long ago (even before the birth of the direct great grandparents of that Fulani guy called Uthman DanFodio who was born in Niger Republic).

The entire Fulani population randomly scattered in 15 Sahelian regions of countries in West Africa are around 25 million (the population could even be less because some of the same Fulani or Fula people move around claiming different countries), while the indigenous Hausas of Nigeria and Niger Republic are around 80 million.

The Yorubas who are indigenous to Nigeria, Benin Republic and Republic of Togo with others spread worldwide in major population centers are over 70 million, so, how can any Fulani Muslim leader who comes from a people with a smaller ethnic population than Yorubas and Hausas be dictating to others on social or religious matters? That's irresponsible feudalism, it's shameful and makes absolutely NO sense at all.

Indeed, technology has become so advanced that global weather forecasts have become accurate or near-accurate. So, the pathways of the celestial bodies such as the sun, the moon, etc, can EASILY be mathematicalky calculated with advanced computers.

succinct... exactly the point.

Mrfeel:
I have never seen where igbos are getting fed by yoruba's, do yoruba's have food? Igbos don't eat ofe mmanu , dog shit Yoruba food

Just fvck off. You are brain1ess

Honor10:
Just fvck off. You are brain1ess

You just confirmed you are brainless

Prediction is not absolute, you guys claim to be civilized but don't understand what prediction means. Did the Saudi that you are talking about not adjusted their calendar in the 21st century (less than 10 yrs self)? Tribalism has eaten you guys up that anything and everything has to do with it. I know you got blinded by tribalism not that you didn't know what prediction means. seek for help cause it's a disease that is rooted in the heart. It's the leading disease that is destroying us in Nigeria (all of us, not just one region). We need to cure it if we want Nigeria to progress.

masseratti:
This is the problem I have with people who are literate but act ignorant in the name of religion...even calendars in Saudi Arabia has the date of the start of Ramadan stated already...the calculation on sighting of the moon in any region of the world is 100% correct..no Muslim need anyone to tell him or her when to start fasting..nor did the Quran say someone has to see the moon and tell you when to fast ..the Sultan has no authority on that, technology has taken over that..heck Bashir we have satellites up there and man has been to the moon.. knows it's velocity, knows it's trajectory, Islam and the Arab world were the leaders in astronomy but wahabiss type of Islam killed it because someone want to claim know it all in Islam..also when i was young northern Muslim starting day of Ramadan or ileya was a day different.. didn't know how it got to be same day..even kanuri don't follow sultan announcements.

Mutigadara1:
Prediction is not absolute, you guys claim to be civilized but don't understand what prediction means. Did the Saudi that you are talking about not adjusted their calendar in the 21st century (less than 10 yrs self)? Tribalism has eaten you guys up that anything and everything has to do with it. I know you got blinded by tribalism not that you didn't know what prediction means. seek for help cause it's a disease that is rooted in the heart. It's the leading disease that is destroying us in Nigeria (all of us, not just one region). We need to cure it if we want Nigeria to progress.

please kindly be guided when you quoting me , nothing I have said had anything to do with Tribalism.
Now to your quote...there is nothing like prediction here science has made it a fact that on so so date,at so so time, location this is the Celestial constellations you will see when you look up the sky .
No2,no where in the Quran nor the Hadiths is anyone bestowed with the Authority of sighting moon and anouncing when others should start fast or end fast ..no where .
No 3,with the aforementioned,you yourself can look up to the sky in the wee hours of morning or late in the late and do your observations if you no see the crescent no fast ..wait till the next day..

You lots are so funny ..some of us have traveled to many Arab countries and this practice of announcing moon sighting is not done anywhere.

Oga it has to do with tribalism because all this started by you guys saying why should a Fulani man be the one to announced the commencement of Ramadan.
1) It is a prediction, because however you want to define it you must put prediction and prediction is prediction not absolute no matter how accurate it maybe you must verify it physically.
2) you said nowhere in the Quran or Hadith bestowed anyone. That is not true > "O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you."
(Surah An-Nisa, 4:59)
This Ayah is interpreted to include leaders who are responsible for communal decisions, such as the announcement of Ramadan. Therefore, it is customary for Muslims to follow the announcement made by their local or national Islamic authority. And if as a Muslim you decided to over do na you sabi.
3) Yes everybody is encouraged to look for the moon, it's not a must that it has to be Sultan, but if as an individual you are able to sight the new moon then the council through the local authority will have to verify your statement.
Now you said the Arabs don't announce the sighting of moon, it's not true also. If you have an X account search I think it's @Haramain and you see that they do.

If everybody decided to do as he wishes then so many people will either fast for more than a month or less than that.

masseratti:
please kindly be guided when you quoting me , nothing I have said had anything to do with Tribalism.
Now to your quote...there is nothing like prediction here science has made it a fact that on so so date,at so so time, location this is the Celestial constellations you will see when you look up the sky .
No2,no where in the Quran nor the Hadiths is anyone bestowed with the Authority of sighting moon and anouncing when others should start fast or end fast ..no where .
No 3,with the aforementioned,you yourself can look up to the sky in the wee hours of morning or late in the late and do your observations if you no see the crescent no fast ..wait till the next day..

You lots are so funny ..some of us have traveled to many Arab countries and this practice of announcing moon sighting is not done anywhere.

Mutigadara1:
Oga it has to do with tribalism because all this started by you guys saying why should a Fulani man be the one to announced the commencement of Ramadan.
1) It is a prediction, because however you want to define it you must put prediction and prediction is prediction not absolute no matter how accurate it maybe you must verify it physically.
2) you said nowhere in the Quran or Hadith bestowed anyone. That is not true > "O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you."
(Surah An-Nisa, 4:59)
This Ayah is interpreted to include leaders who are responsible for communal decisions, such as the announcement of Ramadan. Therefore, it is customary for Muslims to follow the announcement made by their local or national Islamic authority. And if as a Muslim you decided to over do na you sabi.
3) Yes everybody is encouraged to look for the moon, it's not a must that it has to be Sultan, but if as an individual you are able to sight the new moon then the council through the local authority will have to verify your statement.
Now you said the Arabs don't announce the sighting of moon, it's not true also. If you have an X account search I think it's @Haramain and you see that they do.

If everybody decided to do as he wishes then so many people will either fast for more than a month or less than that.

Bro nothing Tribal here ,and if you want go call it that fine and accepted, call it Tribal, Ethnic, whatever,the Point is that the league of Imans in Yorubaland has taken a decision,you can also akin what Bashir is saying that they are not right in their position to be that of a tribalist too because is Fulani and Sultan is Fulani.

No 1,
What is the full meaning of prediction?
A prediction is what someone thinks will happen. A prediction is a forecast, but not only about the weather. Pre means “before” and diction has to do with talking. So a prediction is a statement about the future. It's a guess, sometimes based on facts or evidence, but not always.

What am stating about when the moon will come out in a location at a particular time is a #FACT not a prediction.. technology has cancelled the uncertainty unless we want to keep on desive ourselves.there is a stark deference between a prediction and a fact.. prediction is not sure ,a fact is sure ..thats what it is when it come to moon sighting this days in astronomy/astrology , through technology.

No 2;the way some of you interpret the holy book always amaze me ..the holy book said when you..you not someone or a local authority or a national authority see the new moon fast anywhere you are.. obeying local authority among us,at what point did Nigerian Muslims choose a leader to be an Authority among them..ok let me use your words out own local Authority have spoken..the league of Imams should we disobey them?The Sultan is not the leader of Muslims on Nigeria.. Southwest has had Muslims before uthman Dan fodio came to Nigeria.

No3.this you number 3 is very funny am saying state calendars, diaries etc from Saudi National government already have the date stated you referring me to an X account?which one should you hold in authority over the other .

Change is the only constant thing in life ...it's not Haram to do things in modern way .. doesn't mean we jettison the old ways ..there was no miranets on masjids before..later technology that made building them came during ummayad caliphate and it was introduced..now we have mosque with masjid with minarets ..some with one others with four ..the main purpose is for call to prayers in the days when clocks where not available or speakers...if at that time someone like you say oh this is not right ,the old masjid did not have minarets in the time of the Prophet..what will you now say.

Think my brother.

Hhhh. This is turning into an argument and that's not my intention. I hope you one day sit and realize your bias on this issue.

masseratti:
Bro nothing Tribal here ,and if you want go call it that fine and accepted, call it Tribal, Ethnic, whatever,the Point is that the league of Imans in Yorubaland has taken a decision,you can also akin what Bashir is saying that they are not right in their position to be that of a tribalist too because is Fulani and Sultan is Fulani.

No 1,
What is the full meaning of prediction?
A prediction is what someone thinks will happen. A prediction is a forecast, but not only about the weather. Pre means “before” and diction has to do with talking. So a prediction is a statement about the future. It's a guess, sometimes based on facts or evidence, but not always.

What am stating about when the moon will come out in a location at a particular time is a #FACT not a prediction.. technology has cancelled the uncertainty unless we want to keep on desive ourselves.there is a stark deference between a prediction and a fact.. prediction is not sure ,a fact is sure ..thats what it is when it come to moon sighting this days in astronomy/astrology , through technology.

No 2;the way some of you interpret the holy book always amaze me ..the holy book said when you..you not someone or a local authority or a national authority see the new moon fast anywhere you are.. obeying local authority among us,at what point did Nigerian Muslims choose a leader to be an Authority among them..ok let me use your words out own local Authority have spoken..the league of Imams should we disobey them?The Sultan is not the leader of Muslims on Nigeria.. Southwest has had Muslims before uthman Dan fodio came to Nigeria.

No3.this you number 3 is very funny am saying state calendars, diaries etc from Saudi National government already have the date stated you referring me to an X account?which one should you hold in authority over the other .

Change is the only constant thing in life ...it's not Haram to do things in modern way .. doesn't mean we jettison the old ways ..there was no miranets on masjids before..later technology that made building them came during ummayad caliphate and it was introduced..now we have mosque with masjid with minarets ..some with one others with four ..the main purpose is for call to prayers in the days when clocks where not available or speakers...if at that time someone like you say oh this is not right ,the old masjid did not have minarets in the time of the Prophet..what will you now say.

Think my brother.

Mutigadara1:
Oga it has to do with tribalism because all this started by you guys saying why should a Fulani man be the one to announced the commencement of Ramadan.
1) It is a prediction, because however you want to define it you must put prediction and prediction is prediction not absolute no matter how accurate it maybe you must verify it physically.
2) you said nowhere in the Quran or Hadith bestowed anyone. That is not true > "O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you."
(Surah An-Nisa, 4:59)
This Ayah is interpreted to include leaders who are responsible for communal decisions, such as the announcement of Ramadan. Therefore, it is customary for Muslims to follow the announcement made by their local or national Islamic authority. And if as a Muslim you decided to over do na you sabi.
3) Yes everybody is encouraged to look for the moon, it's not a must that it has to be Sultan, but if as an individual you are able to sight the new moon then the council through the local authority will have to verify your statement.
Now you said the Arabs don't announce the sighting of moon, it's not true also. If you have an X account search I think it's @Haramain and you see that they do.

If everybody decided to do as he wishes then so many people will either fast for more than a month or less than that.

What he meant was that they don't allow an individual,be it the king,governor or whatever to be in charge of announcing the sighting of the moon.They have a body assigned to do this.
The Muslims in Nigeria should set up a body that will announce the sighting of the moon not an individual.

We have a body that does that and that body is NSCIA. Sultan is the leader of the council, that is why he talks about Muslims in all regions in Nigeria, but Nigerians are making it looks like the Sultan is just putting his mouth in things that should not concern him. (The body is for all related Islamic affairs in Nigeria, not just about moon sighting).

Alfaab:
What he meant was that they don't allow an individual,be it the king,governor or whatever to be in charge of announcing the sighting of the moon.They have a body assigned to do this.
The Muslims in Nigeria should set up a body that will announce the sighting of the moon not an individual.

Mrfeel:
You just confirmed you are brainless

You are the brainless one

Mrfeel:
Depolmcy or eye service? A yoruba man will prostrate to greet someone and turn to betray him , cowards, we will rather look our enemy in the eye and tell them we don't like them, we are self made people , president or no president

Lame