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Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by justmondris: 6:23pm On Feb 19, 2025
Guestmale:
Russia should thank God that Trump was returned to power who is giving them soft landing from a war they started ,had it been it was democrats that won the election and Ukraine got the support of EU the way Russia was getting support from countries like north Korea and Iran,it could have been a shameful end for them. Russia lost many generals in a war against small Ukraine.
Why you like internet play like this? US and EU have been supporting Ukraine with aids and secret millitary personnels since the war started and yet them dey collect woto woto from Russia hand.
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by TenQ: 6:45pm On Feb 19, 2025
Mrfeel:
Putin is not fighting Ukraine, Putin is fighting NATO Ukraine is just the battlefield, when two elephants fight the ground suffers more , like I said Putin will achieve all it's invasion objectives in Ukraine , war is not sport where rules are layed down on how the game can be played fairly, there is no fairness in war
No!
Putin is fighting Ukraine, only that he never factored in the fact that NATO will interfere.

Like what happened when Putin annexed Cremia in 2014?
NOTHING!

He only wanted a repeat of that particularly because he despises Zelensky as a person!
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by TenQ: 6:47pm On Feb 19, 2025
Mrfeel:
Ukraine drifting closer and closer to NATO it's one of the biggest threats to Russia, NATO is still the enemy here
But as of the time NATO invaded, there wasn't any active application by Ukraine to join NATO. What Ukraine wanted was to join the EU.

Is there anything wrong with that?
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by Mrfeel: 7:02pm On Feb 19, 2025
TenQ:
No!
Putin is fighting Ukraine, only that he never factored in the fact that NATO will interfere.

Like what happened when Putin annexed Cremia in 2014?
NOTHING!

He only wanted a repeat of that particularly because he despises Zelensky as a person!
Putin is fighting NATO, Ukraine is just the battlefield, and he knew NATO will get involved , Putin hates the fact that Ukraine a former Soviet member that was the closest to Russia is joining having relationships with NATO
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by Mrfeel: 7:03pm On Feb 19, 2025
TenQ:
But as of the time NATO invaded, there wasn't any active application by Ukraine to join NATO. What Ukraine wanted was to join the EU.

Is there anything wrong with that?
Are EU countries not members of NATO?
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by TenQ: 7:21pm On Feb 19, 2025
Mrfeel:
Are EU countries not members of NATO?
EU is an economic union of European countries who plan to share the same currency Called EURO and facilitate trade amongst themselves.

USA is part of NATO but not part of the EU

The EU members that are not part of NATO are Austria, Cyprus, Ireland, and Malta.
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by TenQ: 7:24pm On Feb 19, 2025
Mrfeel:
Putin is fighting NATO, Ukraine is just the battlefield, and he knew NATO will get involved , Putin hates the fact that Ukraine a former Soviet member that was the closest to Russia is joining having relationships with NATO
Then Putin is a fool if actually it is NATO he wants to fight. It means that Ukraine actually did not do anything against Russia otherwise, Putin would have fought only Ukraine.

To fight NATO is easy, just send one drone into Turkey or France or Germany.
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by Algold: 9:52pm On Feb 19, 2025
alphaconde:
without diagnosis i can see that half your brain is dead. You just have to wait for the other half to die so you would be free

be patient
Your level of reasons is like that of a child under 4 years old. You are a compound idiot. At your age you should look for children forum to air your thoughts
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by kinguwem: 10:07pm On Feb 19, 2025
franchasng:
Trump you are very wrong with this one angry


Though I know you are trying to massage the ego of that Russian dictator to get him to end the senseless war he started.


But don't be too sure that it would end the war because Europe is rallying behind Ukraine now and may reject any unfavorable peace deal to Ukraine, which will escalate the war and may even get things messy cos most European leaders are angry with you Trump and Putin and may damn the consequences and back Ukraine fully which would turn the tides against Russia and Putin.


Let's watch and see
Europe doesn't have the capacity to end the war without the support of the US. Ukraine joining NATO is a big threat to Russia. Some Russians in Ukraine prefer territorial ties to Russia. The game is up for Ukraine.
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by Mrfeel: 10:29pm On Feb 19, 2025
TenQ:
EU is an economic union of European countries who plan to share the same currency Called EURO and facilitate trade amongst themselves.

USA is part of NATO but not part of the EU

The EU members that are not part of NATO are Austria, Cyprus, Ireland, and Malta.
As long as Putin Russia is concerned Ukraine can't be lost to EU or NATO, somehow Putin still sees Ukraine as part of Russia
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by Mrfeel: 10:37pm On Feb 19, 2025
TenQ:
Then Putin is a fool if actually it is NATO he wants to fight. It means that Ukraine actually did not do anything against Russia otherwise, Putin would have fought only Ukraine.

To fight NATO is easy, just send one drone into Turkey or France or Germany.
Putin wants the best for Russia, and letting NATO have Ukraine is never in the best interest of Russia And Putin will do everything to make sure that doesn't happen, he will rather prefer this conflict escalate into world war than let that happen, and as long as Russia has nuclear weapons no country even the US that has as much nuclear weapons as Russia will ever want to engage Russia in a nuclear war , cause planet earth itself will be destroyed if such war happens
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by Konquest: 1:50am On Feb 20, 2025
Great100000:
Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/19/trump-ukraine-war-russia-could-have-made-a-deal
Ukraine should be involved in a negotiated settlement as a party to the war. What's Trump rambling on about here?
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by TenQ: 4:35am On Feb 20, 2025
Mrfeel:
Putin wants the best for Russia, and letting NATO have Ukraine is never in the best interest of Russia And Putin will do everything to make sure that doesn't happen, he will rather prefer this conflict escalate into world war than let that happen, and as long as Russia has nuclear weapons no country even the US that has as much nuclear weapons as Russia will ever want to engage Russia in a nuclear war , cause planet earth itself will be destroyed if such war happens
But NATO had already said NO to Ukraine in January 2008 when they applied by President Viktor Yushchenko. Ukraine applied again after 2014 precisely in 2018 by President Petro Poroshenko following the Russian annexation of Crimea and the answer was still NO from NATO.
The third time was in 2022 by President Zelensky during this Putin senseless war and the answer was an ambiguous NO all because NATO didn't want to anger Putin!

So, when was the proposal from NATO to accept Ukraine. Apart from 2008, every time Ukraine applied was because of Russian aggression. Tell me something else.


When you have a big aggressive bully threatening your security, is it wise to seek protection from a stronger friend?

Give me facts and not sentiments!
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by TenQ: 4:42am On Feb 20, 2025
Mrfeel:
As long as Putin Russia is concerned Ukraine can't be lost to EU or NATO, somehow Putin still sees Ukraine as part of Russia
But this is extremely wrong?
Britain should still see Nigeria as part of itself isn't it?

Do you think that Britain should disallow Nigeria from join BRICS?
Isn't BRICS a coalition of the Enemies of the West?
In BRICS we have China, Russia, Iran, South Africa etc
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by CaptainGo: 6:14am On Feb 20, 2025
IjeBos:
The US is weaker today than it has ever been.
China is sitting back, laughing.
huh

How is the US weaker today than it has ever been?
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by Mrfeel: 7:15am On Feb 20, 2025
TenQ:
But this is extremely wrong?
Britain should still see Nigeria as part of itself isn't it?

Do you think that Britain should disallow Nigeria from join BRICS?
Isn't BRICS a coalition of the Enemies of the West?
In BRICS we have China, Russia, Iran, South Africa etc
The world is like a jungle you can do whatever you want as long as you are strong enough and smart enough to get away with it, it's not always about what is wrong or right in most cases

Britain funded The Nigerian -biafra war not because they love Nigeria, they funded the war for their best interest which was the oil at that time
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by TenQ: 7:21am On Feb 20, 2025
Mrfeel:
The world is like a jungle you can do whatever you want as long as you are strong enough and smart enough to get away with it, it's not always about what is wrong or right in most cases

Britain funded The Nigerian -biafra war not because they love Nigeria, they funded the war for their best interest which was the oil at that time
In other words you support the first world saying that your country shouldn't build the nuclear bomb only to invade your country next day!?
Why does it make sense to sign such a stupid deal when you cannot trust the big countries to keep their part of the bargain!
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by Mrfeel: 7:29am On Feb 20, 2025
TenQ:
In other words you support the first world saying that your country shouldn't build the nuclear bomb only to invade your country next day!?
Why does it make sense to sign such a stupid deal when you cannot trust the big countries to keep their part of the bargain!
If my country is strong enough and smart enough to build a nuclear weapon and get away with it she should do so

North Korea built nuclear weapons amidst all the harsh sanctions
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by TenQ: 7:32am On Feb 20, 2025
Mrfeel:
If my country is strong enough and smart enough to build a nuclear weapon and get away with it she should do so

North Korea built nuclear weapons amidst all the harsh sanctions
But there exists an extant law binding nations from building or testing nuclear weapons pushed forward by these same powerful countries!
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by Mrfeel: 7:38am On Feb 20, 2025
TenQ:
But there exists an extant law binding nations from building or testing nuclear weapons pushed forward by these same powerful countries!
Of course they push those laws for their best interest, they don't want to feel threaten by others, they want to powerful, but just because those laws are there doesn't mean they can't be broken, north Korea broke the laws today north Korea is respected
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by alphaconde(m): 8:18am On Feb 20, 2025
Algold:
Your level of reasons is like that of a child under 4 years old. You are a compound idiot. At your age you should look for children forum to air your thoughts
yes I am a child
but you cant compare a child's brain with your dead brain.
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by TenQ: 8:35am On Feb 20, 2025
Mrfeel:
Of course they push those laws for their best interest, they don't want to feel threaten by others, they want to powerful, but just because those laws are there doesn't mean they can't be broken, north Korea broke the laws today north Korea is respected
Meaning that every small nation for their safety should amass nuclear weapons and every weapon of mass destruction.
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by Mrfeel: 8:51am On Feb 20, 2025
TenQ:
Meaning that every small nation for their safety should amass nuclear weapons and every weapon of mass destruction.
If they can yes
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by TenQ: 11:53am On Feb 20, 2025
Mrfeel:
If they can yes
TenQ:
Meaning that every small nation for their safety should amass nuclear weapons and every weapon of mass destruction.
Then the first world especially USA must not even dream of sanctioning any country like Iran who is working on building their nuclear power!
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by Mrfeel: 12:05pm On Feb 20, 2025
TenQ:
Then the first world especially USA must not even dream of sanctioning any country like Iran who is working on building their nuclear power!
Well just like north Korea sanctions won't stop Iran from building nuclear energy, any country can build one if they are smart enough and strong enough to do so
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by TenQ: 12:25pm On Feb 20, 2025
Mrfeel:
Well just like north Korea sanctions won't stop Iran from building nuclear energy, any country can build one if they are smart enough and strong enough to do so
But why should should those who succeed be put under sanctions?
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by Mrfeel: 12:35pm On Feb 20, 2025
TenQ:
But why should should those who succeed be put under sanctions?
It's human nature, that's why
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by TenQ: 1:55pm On Feb 20, 2025
Mrfeel:
It's human nature, that's why
It's okay then.

I pray that strong enemies will not trample over our rights and we shall receive security from God Almighty!
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by Mrfeel: 2:20pm On Feb 20, 2025
TenQ:
It's okay then.

I pray that strong enemies will not trample over our rights and we shall receive security from God Almighty!
I don't really understand how, prayer and God works though
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by TenQ: 3:30pm On Feb 20, 2025
Mrfeel:
I don't really understand how, prayer and God works though
I understand you. It takes a relationship with Him first.

Prayer wouldn't do what you should do for yourself for you. Prayer supplies the grace you need when you are powerless to affect the outcome.

Prayer isn't as important as having a direct relationship with God because everything here on earth is temporary. We are here for a purpose and the Creator will assess to what extent you have lived a life of Love, Purity and Service to God with your Life.

Even amongst Christians, you will have the Poor, the Sick , the Barren, etc Prayer isn't the solution fix of men. Prayer is first for the sake of fellowship as there are some cup we must drink
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by malakaimoscondo: 5:40pm On Feb 20, 2025
adioolayi:
You are making decisions on behalf of a "Sovereign State" .. without their presencehuh

So, what's Sovereigntyhuh

Ukraine should fight to death!!!
Ukraine should find the war like a sovereign state ....
Re: Trump Blames Ukraine Over War With Russia, Saying It Could Have Made A Deal by Mrfeel: 7:56am On Feb 21, 2025
TenQ:
I understand you. It takes a relationship with Him first.

Prayer wouldn't do what you should do for yourself for you. Prayer supplies the grace you need when you are powerless to affect the outcome.

Prayer isn't as important as having a direct relationship with God because everything here on earth is temporary. We are here for a purpose and the Creator will assess to what extent you have lived a life of Love, Purity and Service to God with your Life.

Even amongst Christians, you will have the Poor, the Sick , the Barren, etc Prayer isn't the solution fix of men. Prayer is first for the sake of fellowship as there are some cup we must drink
This is just religious doctrines doesn't mean they are true
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