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SeraphicWind:
First and Foremost, this conversation is for matured and intelligent minds. Barbarians should do well to stay off this thread.

It is my humble opinion that homosexuals should be allowed to attend masses and services in Christianity. Please do not misunderstand me.

There is a great difference between HOMOSEXUALITY and HOMOSEXUALS. A homosexual is one that practices homosexuality. Homosexuality is the act of a man sleeping with his fellow man. Same applies for women.

Over my 30 years of journeying in the spirit and studying elemental forces, I have come to realise that 95% of every human action be it good or bad is SPIRIT INFLUNCED. External forces and spirits exert a great influence on the affairs of men. I may not have time to go deep into this proposition but it is true based on my own personal journey.

I have seen a killer repent and become a TRUE CHILD OF GOD. I have seen a prostitute disengage from prostitution and embrace the word of God. Before you infer that prostitution is caused by poverty, I have seen rich, working class women engage in prostitution. These are elemental spirits at work in them full-time.

This is same for homosexuals. It is not really the human being that is at work. It is the spirit of homosexuality at work in him or her.

This is why I have always advocated against violence against homosexuals.

Now as much as I don't advocate harm against homosexuals, I don't support promoting homosexuality too. In my worldview, every individual should be free to live a life they so choose that is not harmful to others.

Please stop harming homosexuals. It is not them at work. It is the spirit controlling that individual. If one should use prayers and incinerate that spirit in them, a new individual is always reborn.

This is why I encourage my fellow Christians to be more welcoming to homosexuals. Do not judge them. Do not harm them. Do not give that look of "You should be ashamed of yourself". If you do this, you may make the case worse.

Love them genuinely. Show them love. Bring them closer to Jesus Christ in the mass and in the service. Sooner than later, the power of God at work through the powerful blood of Jesus Christ will dissolve that spirit of homosexuality at work in them. Believe me, it works. I have seen this happen more than 100 times.

If you send homosexuals out of the church, then the DEVIL won. This is the actual plan of the devil. We should not and cannot allow this to happen. The devil must never win one soul. This malicious foe of humanity wants Christians to send homosexuals away from the church so that it can be easy for him to consume them.

SeraphicWind:
First and Foremost, this conversation is for matured and intelligent minds. Barbarians should do well to stay off this thread.

It is my humble opinion that homosexuals should be allowed to attend masses and services in Christianity. Please do not misunderstand me.

There is a great difference between HOMOSEXUALITY and HOMOSEXUALS. A homosexual is one that practices homosexuality. Homosexuality is the act of a man sleeping with his fellow man. Same applies for women.

Over my 30 years of journeying in the spirit and studying elemental forces, I have come to realise that 95% of every human action be it good or bad is SPIRIT INFLUNCED. External forces and spirits exert a great influence on the affairs of men. I may not have time to go deep into this proposition but it is true based on my own personal journey.

I have seen a killer repent and become a TRUE CHILD OF GOD. I have seen a prostitute disengage from prostitution and embrace the word of God. Before you infer that prostitution is caused by poverty, I have seen rich, working class women engage in prostitution. These are elemental spirits at work in them full-time.

This is same for homosexuals. It is not really the human being that is at work. It is the spirit of homosexuality at work in him or her.

This is why I have always advocated against violence against homosexuals.

Now as much as I don't advocate harm against homosexuals, I don't support promoting homosexuality too. In my worldview, every individual should be free to live a life they so choose that is not harmful to others.

Please stop harming homosexuals. It is not them at work. It is the spirit controlling that individual. If one should use prayers and incinerate that spirit in them, a new individual is always reborn.

This is why I encourage my fellow Christians to be more welcoming to homosexuals. Do not judge them. Do not harm them. Do not give that look of "You should be ashamed of yourself". If you do this, you may make the case worse.

Love them genuinely. Show them love. Bring them closer to Jesus Christ in the mass and in the service. Sooner than later, the power of God at work through the powerful blood of Jesus Christ will dissolve that spirit of homosexuality at work in them. Believe me, it works. I have seen this happen more than 100 times.

If you send homosexuals out of the church, then the DEVIL won. This is the actual plan of the devil. We should not and cannot allow this to happen. The devil must never win one soul. This malicious foe of humanity wants Christians to send homosexuals away from the church so that it can be easy for him to consume them.

dammyz101:
U can't have homosexuality without homosexuals. So what are u really saying?

immaculatesense:
Sir, I respect the fact that you want to be civil. But it is impossible to please men and look good at the expense of God's irrevocable standard.
My submission:
On homosexuals. Everyone deserves salvation and God's desire is that all men be save. So, if a man who is addicted to sleeping with a man and realizes that his actions are wrong but finds it difficult to help himself no matter how long he tried. If such a person comes to church with the hold of freedom through Christ from that addiction like any other addiction, such a man should not be crucified but assisted by the church to win the war over that sin. John 8:1-11. Pay attention to verse 10 but don't neglect verse 11.
But this is where the word of God should be carefully divided. In case the homosexual comes to church to fellowship with the belief that he is doing nothing wrong claiming that was how he was created or believing that Christ had paid it all and thus he can live anyhow. Such a man should be excommunicated from the church or fellowship. A little yeast leavens the whole lump and that is the standard of scriptures. 1 Corinthians 5:1-7.
You may disagree, I respect your view and I have made mine in a polite way.
God bless you.

Holiness2100:
Everyone is invited to come to CHRIST but never condone or pamper any evil.

Love the Sinner, Hate the sin.

You Must tell the Homosexual that what he/ she is into is Evil, Wickedness and abomination before GOD.

You Must tell him/ her that Involving in such Wickedness will Package him/ her into Hell!

Never Pamper sin under any guise!

SeraphicWind:
First and Foremost, this conversation is for matured and intelligent minds. Barbarians should do well to stay off this thread.

It is my humble opinion that homosexuals should be allowed to attend masses and services in Christianity. Please do not misunderstand me.

There is a great difference between HOMOSEXUALITY and HOMOSEXUALS. A homosexual is one that practices homosexuality. Homosexuality is the act of a man sleeping with his fellow man. Same applies for women.

Over my 30 years of journeying in the spirit and studying elemental forces, I have come to realise that 95% of every human action be it good or bad is SPIRIT INFLUNCED. External forces and spirits exert a great influence on the affairs of men. I may not have time to go deep into this proposition but it is true based on my own personal journey.

I have seen a killer repent and become a TRUE CHILD OF GOD. I have seen a prostitute disengage from prostitution and embrace the word of God. Before you infer that prostitution is caused by poverty, I have seen rich, working class women engage in prostitution. These are elemental spirits at work in them full-time.

This is same for homosexuals. It is not really the human being that is at work. It is the spirit of homosexuality at work in him or her.

This is why I have always advocated against violence against homosexuals.

Now as much as I don't advocate harm against homosexuals, I don't support promoting homosexuality too. In my worldview, every individual should be free to live a life they so choose that is not harmful to others.

Please stop harming homosexuals. It is not them at work. It is the spirit controlling that individual. If one should use prayers and incinerate that spirit in them, a new individual is always reborn.

This is why I encourage my fellow Christians to be more welcoming to homosexuals. Do not judge them. Do not harm them. Do not give that look of "You should be ashamed of yourself". If you do this, you may make the case worse.

Love them genuinely. Show them love. Bring them closer to Jesus Christ in the mass and in the service. Sooner than later, the power of God at work through the powerful blood of Jesus Christ will dissolve that spirit of homosexuality at work in them. Believe me, it works. I have seen this happen more than 100 times.

If you send homosexuals out of the church, then the DEVIL won. This is the actual plan of the devil. We should not and cannot allow this to happen. The devil must never win one soul. This malicious foe of humanity wants Christians to send homosexuals away from the church so that it can be easy for him to consume them.

peteregwu:
Like I said no homosexuals should be allowed to him any position in the church. Let them repent first and become born again before that. No one is condemning any homosexual. As long as the church knows that such individual is a homosexual (except it is hidden from the church), they shouldn't be given any position.

Romans 8:7-8 KJV
"Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. [8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God."

They can only be allowed to come to church and hear the word of God and go. The kingdom of heaven is for those that humbly repent of their sins and forsake then and follow Jesus.

Matthew 7:6 KJV
"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."

As for the The catholic church, the Vatican, killed many christians that stood against their satanic doctrine in the dark ages by burning them at the stake and exyerninating many of them. Catholic initiated the praying to "holy Mary", a dead woman which is necromancy which is witchcraft pricatices according to the bible. They worship the "queen or heaven" that the bible stood against in the old testament. The Catholic also bow to image of mary and some saints in the bible. The Catholic also dwell on purgatory which is satanic deception to send more souls into hell forever. I go on and on

Lovelyflower:
is the homosexual coming to church to seduce anyone that particular Sunday? If no, then allow him seat and listen and go, you don't need to know if he want to repent or not before you accept him or send him out. Besides we all call church "House of God" not your house.

Going by your reasoning, same logic should apply to fornicatiors, thieves, liars, and all kind of sinners, you should ask them if they are ready to repent before you accept them in church to avoid polluting others with their sins.

SeraphicWind:
Luke 15:7

"I tell you, in the same way there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous people who have no need of repentance."

I repeat; Not one soul should be lost to the devil no matter their disposition to their sinful nature.

It is not them at work. It is the bad spirit inside them. Believe me.

The attention of the Church should be focused on that spirit at work in them not on the individual or his homosexual tendencies.

I believe this is the reason THE POPE of the Catholic church mandated Catholic priests to bless them. They need blessings not because thechurch condones what they are doing.

They need the prayers and blessings which will by the grace of God, destroy that spirit at work in them and eventually redirect them back to God almighty.

Most times, those spirits binds strongly onto them and makes them think what they are doing is acceptable before God.

If you crucify and vilify homosexuals, they will leave the church and seek solace elsewhere which is the world.

This implies that the Soul maybe lost permanently.

Keep them close to God but ensure they don't spread the homosexual tendencies. They should always be watched and monitored for progress back to God almighty.

peteregwu:
Stop the false narrative. Who told you they are sending homosexuals out of the church? It's just like saying they are sending any jew comer that comes to church out of the church. The point is everyone is welcomed in the church. What they just need to do is listen to the message of the gospel and repent and be born again. And if they don't want to repent, it is left for them.

Jeezuzpick:
This topic is a bit controversial.

It's like saying thieves are allowed in Church but not theft.

Just as it's theft that makes a person a thief because they're not thieves if they don't steal, it's HOMOSEXUALITY that makes homosexuals who they are.

Once homosexuality is not allowed in Church, there can be no homosexuals there.

I know you may say one can be homosexual and not practice homosexuality, but that's a fallacy. It's the practice of homosexuality that makes a person homosexual, just as being a believer and follower of Christ makes a person Christian. The day you stop the one is the same day you cease to be the other.

What we should say is, "homosexuals should not be judged and condemned, because God's grace and mercy can save them". Based on this, we can reach out to them, just like everyone else, in the name of Jesus.

waternogatenemy:
BUT A THIEF IS ALLOWED IN THE CHURCH, SO IS A MURDERER AND EVEN A RAPIST.


THEY CAN ALL GO TO CHURCH BUT THE CHURCH CONDEMNS THEIR EVIL DEEDS.


THE CHURCH DOESNT DISCRIMINATE ANYBODY, THE GOSPEL JUST WONT CHANGE FOR U.

THEY WILL NOT STOP PREACHING IT BECAUSE YOU ARE ONE OF THE OFFENDERS.

IF ANYTHING THEY WILL FLOG YOU WITH IT.


IF I KNOW YOU ARE A GAY, I WILL MAKE IT A DUTY TO FLOG WITH EVERY DAY WITH BIBLE VERSES.


U MUST REPENT AND LIKEWISE A RAPIST, THIEF, MURDERE.

SeraphicWind:
Hello Sir, I don't think I am spreading a false narrative. I have seen churches in Nigeria send homosexuals away especially the protestant churches. You can even search online. You may see pastor doing this.

As recent as last year, there was a great hullabaloo when the Catholic Pope mandated catholic priests to bless homosexuals. What can you say about this?

Arrowhead71:
If two grown up men are doing exactly like husband and wife inside church house , that will be wrong, unacceptable and send wrong message to others, no pastor should tolerate that
So abomination like that must stay away from God s house ,

waternogatenemy:
CLEARLY U DO NOT GO TO CHURCH.

IF U DID, U WILL KNOW NOBODY IS PREVENTING ANYBODY FROM GOING TO CHURCH.

WHAT THESE GAYS WANT TO DO IS TO CHANGE THE WORD OF GOD.

THAT IS THEIR ULTIMATE AIM AND GOAL.

THEY WANT TO NORAMLISE SPREADING OF GERMS AND SHIT EVERYWHERE.

U DAT IS TALKING, PUT YOUR HAND INTO YOUR ANUS AND SMELL IT.


IS IT NICE?

Lovelyflower:
this is the comment I was replying to [/color]In case the homosexual comes to church to fellowship with the belief that he is doing nothing wrong claiming that was how he was created or believing that Christ had paid it all and thus he can live anyhow. Such a man should be excommunicated from the church or fellowship. [color=#000000]. Meanwhile do you lie? If yes, then you shouldn't go to church

Jeezuzpick:
I think my definition of the world "Church" is different from yours.

peteregwu:
Stop the false narrative. Who told you they are sending homosexuals out of the church? It's just like saying they are sending any jew comer that comes to church out of the church. The point is everyone is welcomed in the church. What they just need to do is listen to the message of the gospel and repent and be born again. And if they don't want to repent, it is left for them.

StillDtruth:
I say, it is right to throw them out.

God can never accept abominations

Maybe if it is confirmed that they have cleaned up. And that is still a maybe.

waternogatenemy:
THAT COMMENT IS IN ORDER, U DONT GO TO CHURCH TO CHANGE THE WORD OF GOD.



Matthew 24:35 In-Context
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.


HOMOSEXUALS HAVE A SPIRIT OF DECEPTION AND THAT ITSELF IS A DRAGON CALLED LUCIFER HIMSELF.


U WILL HERE THINGS LIKE THE BELOW.





ALL THIS IS DECEPTION AND THEY WILL EVEN SHAPE SHIFT INTO A WOMAN JUST TO DECIEVE.

THEIR VOICE AND WALKING POSTURE ALTERED TO DECIEVE.

NO BE SMALL THING

Lovelyflower:
this is the comment I was replying to [/color]In case the homosexual comes to church to fellowship with the belief that he is doing nothing wrong claiming that was how he was created or believing that Christ had paid it all and thus he can live anyhow. Such a man should be excommunicated from the church or fellowship. [color=#000000]. Meanwhile do you lie? If yes, then you shouldn't go to church

allthingsgood:
Sorry but are U holy WhAt about the sins U commit despite all the preaching and bible knowledge against themm. Who excommunicated you Or because your son is secret for now?

Most of you have no idea whom Jesus is. You go to church but nothing changes with you. It's still hypocrisy and eye service

SeraphicWind:
Hello Sir, I don't think I am spreading a false narrative. I have seen churches in Nigeria send homosexuals away especially the protestant churches. You can even search online. You may see pastor doing this.

As recent as last year, there was a great hullabaloo when the Catholic Pope mandated catholic priests to bless homosexuals. What can you say about this?