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Runninghare:
Ok..
Now I get your point...

So the whole of EU (44 countries) outperformed the US (a single country)... by what percentage.

Edited...

This is the more reason why, the US has a more powerful/bigger/huge bargaining chip...

not the EU

hotwax:
this is also another reason...Zelensky has never be in the book of Trump.

bigpicture001:
Ukraine can now continue withnjust EU aids..the military needs are not as much as it stands is in 2023 ND 24...

bigpicture001:
If u follow the the war has like I do.. u will get will know Moscow is just two years away from giving up... Trump is making a big mistake....

Russia fires around 5000 atilerries daily in 2022 ND 23.. ND around 1500 to 200 in 2024.. now fires only around 600 to 800.. the sanctions ND heavy loss of men is taking its toll . Their soldiers have no motivation unlike Ukraine who see it as a war if existent.... With more sanction ND more equipment, Russia will eventually run out of men... ND equipment ND will not b able to secure lands it has grabbed... Then Ukraine will counter ND take many back....

Trup ifor a spoiler ND very egoist the ND a show. Man.... Ukraine must continue the war.. must!!!!

Shimran:
Saw Macron interrupting Trump on live news session, lecturing him on Europe's grants, loans and debts to Ukraine.

Runninghare:
Really...

I am not so sure about this.
How do you know about this...

Can i see where you are quoting from?

Runninghare:
Really...

I am not so sure about this.
How do you know about this...

Can i see where you are quoting from?

bigpicture001:
I HV never left a day without checking up this war since Feb. 22.. I take 4hours everyday scrapping up every details everywhere about the war... Trust me when I say.. they need more air defence more than atilerries... Drones are doing a perfect job ND Ukraine doesn't import drones anymore....

They also need Abram ND Bradley tanks which dey can till buy from the US

Runninghare:
Are you on ground?

When you say follow... do you have firsthand infor on combat positions, on military capabilities on economics etc.

How did you get your projections on 2 years capitulation of the Russian position in this war?

bigpicture001:
Zelesky first offered minerals to Us not the other way round... He offered it even before trump won an election Nas his victory plan

hotwax:
USA Treasury secretary when to ukraine to sign the deal...he was turned back from the airport after zelensky decided not to sign it..

are you intentionally lying or being mischevious...its even public knowledge or you think nairaland is not on the internet...don't disgrace nigerians na

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has declined to sign a proposed agreement granting the United States access to Ukraine's rare earth minerals. The deal, valued at up to $500 billion, was intended to secure U.S. support for Ukraine amid its ongoing conflict with Russia. However, Zelensky rejected the proposal, citing its lack of security guarantees for Ukraine and its focus on U.S. interests.
APNEWS.COM

The proposed agreement would have allowed the U.S. to control 50% of Ukraine's mineral and oil resources as compensation for American military assistance. Zelensky expressed concerns that the deal did not adequately protect Ukraine's sovereignty and interests.
POLITICO.EU

This development has led to tensions between the U.S. and Ukraine, with the Trump administration expressing frustration over Zelensky's refusal to sign the agreement. The situation underscores the complexities of international negotiations, especially when balancing national interests and security concerns.

https://nypost.com/2025/02/24/us-news/nearly-all-key-details-ironed-out-in-ukraine-us-mineral-deal/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

We re not saying samething...who proposed the deal in the first place..the US or Ukraine..?

bigpicture001:
We re not saying same thing... Who proposed the deal in the first place.. the US or zelesky..?

Trumps phone call with Putin spoilt everything... He went ahead of time to pre agree some terms like no joining not NATO, no NATO peacekeepers, no US boot on ground as peacekeepers only deal for last payment of aikds ND new supplies of aids... So zelesky declined it ND now isist there must b security gurantee .. zelenzky went and amended his proposal

HEAVEN4444:
tony wey be George bush lapdog that time ? Forget that thing the last great UK premier was Margaret Thatcher. Even Reagan dey shiver were she dey

Runninghare:
I think you need more information.
Your assertion seems less factual...

The USA are the largest donors to the war, irrespective of how it seems.
Their donations to the war was enough to sustain the war.

If it wasn't true, they wouldn't have have the largest bargaining chip.
It is easier to understand when they said they would stop funding and the whole of Europe began to convene for emergency meetings. Even Macron went ahead to double his country's defense budget.

The amount of funding (cash and kind) US, brings to wars, is on a general, usually astronomical, to the point that they almost always have a say on proceedings.

check out this post-- https://www.nairaland.com/8351520/total-bilateral-aid-allocations-ukraine

Osiris12:
Britain has lost its grip in world affairs.

The last great British pm was Tony Blair. Tony no dey comot uk but Tony dey run world affairs. The rest after him na wash.

WriteerNg:
They all bow to the President of the USA

While the President of the USA bows to Putin.

Who's the main boss?

Befii:
It's all business as usual. According to Sun Tzu, all war is based on deception, the war of words between US and Europe is not as serious as we deem it. Perhaps the goal might be to make Putin feel at home and worked into being unprepared for something coming.
They act as if there is division in the family, they appear weak just to gather intelligence and we understand the disinformation!
Trump may not like Russia or Putin as presumed, perhaps is working or will work to undermine Russia than anyone else and the Russians aren't clueless either. Indeed all war is based on deception.

mayor1814:
Mheen the world has witnessed some great leaders, Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher of UK stand out; Dwight Eisenhower, Abraham Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, George w. Bush snr, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush jnr, Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump have really stood out for me for the USA.

Righteousness2:
The coming of President Trump is a new dawn for America at least for the next 4years.

Trump Presidency is returning America to the REAL SUPER POWER STATUS it used to be.


President Trump knows, Understands and is Fully Committed to the Foreign Policy of the CREATOR, INNOVATOR AND OWNER OF THE WORLD, GOD ALMIGHTY. And so in return America under his presidency will witness Great boom, Prosperity and Super Strength .

GOD ALMIGHTY FOREIGN POLICY is Pretty Simple.
YOU BLESS ISRAEL , YOU ARE BLESSED! YOU CURSE ISRAEL YOU ARE CURSED!

hotwax:
The romance with Putin is because Zelensky refused to give rear earth metal to USA in return for war sponsorship.

Zelensky insists america must give him money for free...We both know trump will not accept that.

Trump stands for his country...Rear earth metal will enable american tech firms maintain lead in world tech market. How is that related to Putin?

Trump see economy gain, while you see hatred and propaganda...Trump is master joooor

America economy is failing, and zelensky want them to keep pumping their dollars. And Israel is faced with Iran-Axis...America can't continue sponsoring all wars...Israel war is enough bite for america

You all know the truth, but being islamist, you can't use your brains

maivd:
Stop peddling lies US only gave 69 billion worth of old US weapons to Ukraine. The money stayed in US, the US used the money to produce new weapons while pushing old weapons to Ukraine. Trump was taken to the cleaners yesterday, Macron really washed him in front of Whitehouse press. Trump was looking like sad puppy all thru the press conference

maivd:
Stop peddling lies US only gave 69 billion worth of old US weapons to Ukraine. The money stayed in US, the US used the money to produce new weapons while pushing old weapons to Ukraine. Trump was taken to the cleaners yesterday, Macron really washed him in front of Whitehouse press. Trump was looking like sad puppy all thru the press conference

Mccollins042:
America spent a whooping 500b in that war and Ukraine has refused to pay back saying it was a grant. You don't know the mess that went down during Biden's presidency

Mccollins042:
That's what he has experienced all through his life, ppl washing him, he is used to it but at the end who wins? Trump

motymop:
Trump wanted this.

The only people that respect Europeans are Africans.

After the end of the world war 2, the golden age of Europe was over.

They became puppet to the United States.

maivd:
Trump is just bitter he could not beat Biden. And he as lost that battle forever. It's just vendetta and nothing else. His ego is bruised on many fronts,plus Musk has his balls in his palm.

maivd:
Show proof. Trump is a known liar. Show proof that US spent over a 100 billion dollars. Trump is a clown

Mccollins042:
Zelensky did not dispute the figures he only said those were grants not loans

Mccollins042:
Now I don't think I understand your arguments anymore, jumping from the french presidents washing trump to trump losing to Biden and Musk having his balls. Did u memorize that 😂

maivd:
It's beyond your level of thinking, maybe you should go and play with toys.