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AImiron:
Senator Graham is one of Ukraine's allies and a staunch supporter of Zelensky and Ukraine. He has traveled to Ukraine several times.

Well, hearing this from him means Zelensky is in serious trouble. I was quite surprised when I saw his speech, I had to double-check to make sure it wasn’t an AI-generated video.

This picture was taken before the meeting at the Oval Office today. Losing an ally like Graham is a huge blow, Zelensky is in deep trouble.

Adakintroy:
They are the oval office are they not. So are they not having a conversation with him. What are you on about

Adakintroy:
Thats how we should start a conversation on war. Not with zelenski but the soldiers.

tollyboy5:
What I meant is that what do you mean?

lexy2014:
what do you mean by "What do you mean by in what way?"

what do you mean by "What I meant is that what do you mean?"

FairlyUSEDpussy:
And......why is trump and his fellow lout trying so hard to dictate for a sitting president of another country??
Why?
Why??
Why

lexy2014:
how do you start "a conversation on war" with the soldiers and not with the president of a country?

othermen:
Trump’s position is that the continued conflict is unsustainable. He talks about the lives that are lost and all the irreparable damages. Trump’s position is that compromise is a necessity.

Zelenskyy wants outright victory. That Putin gets the Gaddafi treatment. And Russia becomes subordinated to Europe, with their weapons and army all disbanded as was done with Germany after WW II. This is the only way Ukraine sovereignty is guaranteed.

Trump don’t see how this is possible without a full blown war in Europe and perhaps, in the world. Trump thinks a better route is diplomacy. Zelenskyy sees Trump as a direct obstacle to this goal.

Zelenskyy’s rhetoric is not dumb. His body language, his positions may be intended at actively driving a wedge between himself and the US.
It is some strategic maneuvering. It’s calculated.

Zelenskyy could sever ties with the US, in the hope that this pushes Europe into assuming greater responsibility for the war effort.

European leaders already signaled they also desire the end of Putin. But rhetorics and actions are different things.

And Zelenskyy might be overplaying his hand in appealing to Europe’s fraught ego.

The EU is an organization that is willing to use Ukraine as a pawn in their effort to increase members commitment and become an actual dominant power. In reframing the US as an unreliable ally, alliances are reshaped that benefits the EU tangibly.

But the EU might be overplaying its hand.

In all, there are pawns, knights, rooks, bishops, kings and queens. As you read, people are dying in the war.

Arapmoi22:
As far as this war is concerned,
Zelensky is a beggar begging for help door to door.
He might have successfully manipulated many to believe his war, is their war.
The truth is zele foolishly played into the hands of those whose aim is to weaken Russia.
Why should zele allowed himself to be used to weaken a nation that is that strong militarily?
He deserves all the treatment he's gotten for not being strong enough to chose his own battle.
Don't fight anyone because someone is cheering you to.
Men won't be there forever.

Righteousness2:
Personally, When it comes to Ukraine and Russia and the side I am on,

My side is GOD'S WORD and HIS PLANS.

My Bible clearly states in Ezekiel 38 and 39 that in the latter days, Russia will come against ISRAEL.
GOD says to their leader, Gog, that HE is against him.

For Gog to be strong enough to make the move against ISRAEL, he needs to win on other fronts and wait patiently for America’s demise.

In other words- nothing that I see today surprises me!

FairlyUSEDpussy:
And......why is trump and his fellow lout trying so hard to dictate for a sitting president of another country??
Why?
Why??
Why

othermen:
Trump’s position is that the continued conflict is unsustainable. He talks about the lives that are lost and all the irreparable damages. Trump’s position is that compromise is a necessity.

Zelenskyy wants outright victory. That Putin gets the Gaddafi treatment. And Russia becomes subordinated to Europe, with their weapons and army all disbanded as was done with Germany after WW II. This is the only way Ukraine sovereignty is guaranteed.

Trump don’t see how this is possible without a full blown war in Europe and perhaps, in the world. Trump thinks a better route is diplomacy. Zelenskyy sees Trump as a direct obstacle to this goal.

Zelenskyy’s rhetoric is not dumb. His body language, his positions may be intended at actively driving a wedge between himself and the US.
It is some strategic maneuvering. It’s calculated.

Zelenskyy could sever ties with the US, in the hope that this pushes Europe into assuming greater responsibility for the war effort.

European leaders already signaled they also desire the end of Putin. But rhetorics and actions are different things.

And Zelenskyy might be overplaying his hand in appealing to Europe’s fraught ego.

The EU is an organization that is willing to use Ukraine as a pawn in their effort to increase members commitment and become an actual dominant power. In reframing the US as an unreliable ally, alliances are reshaped that benefits the EU tangibly.

But the EU might be overplaying its hand.

In all, there are pawns, knights, rooks, bishops, kings and queens. As you read, people are dying in the war.

LifeofDream:
There's a reason Europe are scared of Russia.. I'll not say more than that...

Ukraine as a nation, Zelensky as a president.. Both are still existing because of Putin kindness... If Putin want Gaza-like Ukraine, he would've destroy everything...

Even American agreed the Russians are figuring with one hand behind.. They see Ukraine as a prodigal brother that can come to it sense..

othermen:
Trump’s position is that the continued conflict is unsustainable. He talks about the lives that are lost and all the irreparable damages. Trump’s position is that compromise is a necessity.

Zelenskyy wants outright victory. That Putin gets the Gaddafi treatment. And Russia becomes subordinated to Europe, with their weapons and army all disbanded as was done with Germany after WW II. This is the only way Ukraine sovereignty is guaranteed.

Trump don’t see how this is possible without a full blown war in Europe and perhaps, in the world. Trump thinks a better route is diplomacy. Zelenskyy sees Trump as a direct obstacle to this goal.

Zelenskyy’s rhetoric is not dumb. His body language, his positions may be intended at actively driving a wedge between himself and the US.
It is some strategic maneuvering. It’s calculated.

Zelenskyy could sever ties with the US, in the hope that this pushes Europe into assuming greater responsibility for the war effort.

European leaders already signaled they also desire the end of Putin. But rhetorics and actions are different things.

And Zelenskyy might be overplaying his hand in appealing to Europe’s fraught ego.

The EU is an organization that is willing to use Ukraine as a pawn in their effort to increase members commitment and become an actual dominant power. In reframing the US as an unreliable ally, alliances are reshaped that benefits the EU tangibly.

But the EU might be overplaying its hand.

In all, there are pawns, knights, rooks, bishops, kings and queens. As you read, people are dying in the war.

LifeofDream:
There's a reason Europe are scared of Russia.. I'll not say more than that...

Ukraine as a nation, Zelensky as a president.. Both are still existing because of Putin kindness... If Putin want Gaza-like Ukraine, he would've destroy everything...

Even American agreed the Russians are figuring with one hand behind.. They see Ukraine as a prodigal brother that can come to it sense..

epainos:
It is not yet over if Zelensky is smart
Zelensky should have gotten the signal that Trump isn't ready to spend a pence on any war without getting much more back. Israel paid the US big time for the missiles they bought. If Ukriane is also paying Trump billions, I am sure he will blast Putin, welcome Zelensky very well like he honored Natenyahu. But Zelensky still went ahead to persuade them to give him more fund to keep fighting. That's not wise.

This war isn't over yet as the next face is 100% politics and diplomacy. If I were Zelensky, I would meet with the EU as soon as possible to see if I could still use their financial support to quickly negotiate a cease-fire, and more importantly, to hold elections so that he could run for another term or fix his man there. The next election should be his concern to shut up most critics since he doesn't have his own money to keep fighting. One year preparation should be announced fast. He is buying 1 year to quickly write his legacy rather have it rubbished. Believe me, Moscow will stop everything cos they also will want to participate so as to install their own. Zelensky should use this strategy to buy time for him to save his integrity instead of being disgraced. EU will rally round him to fight the next war which is now internally and fully politically.

Zelensky might even get away without negotiating with Russia if he quickly organises an election. Moscow definitely will welcome the idea because they will want to eject him finally, and Zelensky can outsmart them and win or put his own there. And if he doesn't still win, he should move quietly out of Ukraine a man who refused to back down, but lost an election honorably. The next president can do whatsoever he pleases while he spends his life in EU with his honor intact and still pressing buttons as one of Ukriane's hero..rather than allow Trump mess him up. I don't even know maybe it's Biden that messed him up by providing him too much. Can't say.

Personally, I think the argument should have been done indoor, and then, all parties can just pretend with whatever they want to tell the press. Or maybe, Zelensky could even boycott the press to show his annoyance. I can easily say I dont support Trump and his vice for this, but who knows what Zelensky had pulled indoor initially? The other issue...this boy called Vance needs to be careful cos na so Pence did his "gra gra" with Trump, and they fell out with each other later. This boy has just started his career and is lucky to be the US VP, and Trump is already rounding up. This boy will just allow himself to be hated.

Well, he has fought a good fight, but we must learn from this issue. Get your money, if not, you will be talked down even in your family meetings. Get your money. And if you are temporarily getting help, avoid anything called argument or confrontation with sources you are getting help from. As soon as you see 'sh.ts coming your way, quickly change direction.

Zelensky needs to act fast and smart. It is not yet over.

Arostar2023:
If Trump could do this to Zelensky, now, imagine what he will do to an African leader! Na to publicly cane him

Righteousness2:
Personally, When it comes to Ukraine and Russia and the side I am on,

My side is GOD'S WORD and HIS PLANS.

My Bible clearly states in Ezekiel 38 and 39 that in the latter days, Russia will come against ISRAEL.
GOD says to their leader, Gog, that HE is against him.

For Gog to be strong enough to make the move against ISRAEL, he needs to win on other fronts and wait patiently for America’s demise.

In other words- nothing that I see today surprises me!

Adakintroy:
Ok two can play this. Who is more important in Ukraine. Zelenski or its people?

Adakintroy:
Thats how we should start a conversation on war. Not with zelenski but the soldiers.

epainos:
It is not yet over if Zelensky is smart
Zelensky should have gotten the signal that Trump isn't ready to spend a pence on any war without getting much more back. Israel paid the US big time for the missiles they bought. If Ukriane is also paying Trump billions, I am sure he will blast Putin, welcome Zelensky very well like he honored Natenyahu. But Zelensky still went ahead to persuade them to give him more fund to keep fighting. That's not wise.

This war isn't over yet as the next face is 100% politics and diplomacy. If I were Zelensky, I would meet with the EU as soon as possible to see if I could still use their financial support to quickly negotiate a cease-fire, and more importantly, to hold elections so that he could run for another term or fix his man there. The next election should be his concern to shut up most critics since he doesn't have his own money to keep fighting. One year preparation should be announced fast. He is buying 1 year to quickly write his legacy rather have it rubbished. Believe me, Moscow will stop everything cos they also will want to participate so as to install their own. Zelensky should use this strategy to buy time for him to save his integrity instead of being disgraced. EU will rally round him to fight the next war which is now internally and fully politically.

Zelensky might even get away without negotiating with Russia if he quickly organises an election. Moscow definitely will welcome the idea because they will want to eject him finally, and Zelensky can outsmart them and win or put his own there. And if he doesn't still win, he should move quietly out of Ukraine a man who refused to back down, but lost an election honorably. The next president can do whatsoever he pleases while he spends his life in EU with his honor intact and still pressing buttons as one of Ukriane's hero..rather than allow Trump mess him up. I don't even know maybe it's Biden that messed him up by providing him too much. Can't say.

Personally, I think the argument should have been done indoor, and then, all parties can just pretend with whatever they want to tell the press. Or maybe, Zelensky could even boycott the press to show his annoyance. I can easily say I dont support Trump and his vice for this, but who knows what Zelensky had pulled indoor initially? The other issue...this boy called Vance needs to be careful cos na so Pence did his "gra gra" with Trump, and they fell out with each other later. This boy has just started his career and is lucky to be the US VP, and Trump is already rounding up. This boy will just allow himself to be hated.

Well, he has fought a good fight, but we must learn from this issue. Get your money, if not, you will be talked down even in your family meetings. Get your money. And if you are temporarily getting help, avoid anything called argument or confrontation with sources you are getting help from. As soon as you see 'sh.ts coming your way, quickly change direction.
Zelensky needs to act fast and smart. It is not yet over.

tollyboy5:
I don't understand you?

epainos:
It is not yet over if Zelensky is smart
Zelensky should have gotten the signal that Trump isn't ready to spend a pence on any war without getting much more back. Israel paid the US big time for the missiles they bought. If Ukriane is also paying Trump billions, I am sure he will blast Putin, welcome Zelensky very well like he honored Natenyahu. But Zelensky still went ahead to persuade them to give him more fund to keep fighting. That's not wise.

This war isn't over yet as the next face is 100% politics and diplomacy. If I were Zelensky, I would meet with the EU as soon as possible to see if I could still use their financial support to quickly negotiate a cease-fire, and more importantly, to hold elections so that he could run for another term or fix his man there. The next election should be his concern to shut up most critics since he doesn't have his own money to keep fighting. One year preparation should be announced fast. He is buying 1 year to quickly write his legacy rather have it rubbished. Believe me, Moscow will stop everything cos they also will want to participate so as to install their own. Zelensky should use this strategy to buy time for him to save his integrity instead of being disgraced. EU will rally round him to fight the next war which is now internally and fully politically.

Zelensky might even get away without negotiating with Russia if he quickly organises an election. Moscow definitely will welcome the idea because they will want to eject him finally, and Zelensky can outsmart them and win or put his own there. And if he doesn't still win, he should move quietly out of Ukraine a man who refused to back down, but lost an election honorably. The next president can do whatsoever he pleases while he spends his life in EU with his honor intact and still pressing buttons as one of Ukriane's hero..rather than allow Trump mess him up. I don't even know maybe it's Biden that messed him up by providing him too much. Can't say.

Personally, I think the argument should have been done indoor, and then, all parties can just pretend with whatever they want to tell the press. Or maybe, Zelensky could even boycott the press to show his annoyance. I can easily say I dont support Trump and his vice for this, but who knows what Zelensky had pulled indoor initially? The other issue...this boy called Vance needs to be careful cos na so Pence did his "gra gra" with Trump, and they fell out with each other later. This boy has just started his career and is lucky to be the US VP, and Trump is already rounding up. This boy will just allow himself to be hated.

Well, he has fought a good fight, but we must learn from this issue. Get your money, if not, you will be talked down even in your family meetings. Get your money. And if you are temporarily getting help, avoid anything called argument or confrontation with sources you are getting help from. As soon as you see 'sh.ts coming your way, quickly change direction.

Zelensky needs to act fast and smart. It is not yet over.

lexy2014:
what do you mean by "What do you mean by in what way?"

what do you mean by "What I meant is that what do you mean?"

what do you mean by "I don't understand you?" grin

franchasng:
Trump disappointed millions of his supporters all around the world tonight. Trump belittled America and made America look scared of Russia and Putin. This is exactly what Putin wanted.


Trump, running a world power nation is not the same as running a for profit business empire where you must make profit and balance your accounting book. The earlier you stop listening to Elon Musk, the better for you and America.



I pray Trump doesn't bring the eventual downfall of the great American nation.