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tollyboy5:
Can you explain better?

Dogalmighty17:
You are a slowpoke. No one is scared of Russia. A country that needs north korea to help out can't be taken seriously. They can't even afford military logistics anymore and are depending on donkeys to move men and supplies to the front. Stop embarrassing yourself.

christopher123:
imagine BAT

owagbeba:
honestly don’t know why you’d have to insult him to make your point. Don’t dumb down the discuss here.. Nairaland is a great platform for sharing ideas and views.

Just to brighten things up for you, the USA has not gone to any war, from the balkans to Afghanistan, and recently Libya without a coalition.

A Russian T90 tank weighs 48tons -equivalent of 100 grown donkeys. The Russians must have millions of donkeys to transport all those hardwares around the battle field .

Think about it

lexy2014:
what do you mean by "What do you mean by in what way?"

what do you mean by "What I meant is that what do you mean?"

what do you mean by "I don't understand you?" grin

what do you mean by "Can you explain better?"

Dogalmighty17:
You are a slowpoke. No one is scared of Russia. A country that needs north korea to help out can't be taken seriously. They can't even afford military logistics anymore and are depending on donkeys to move men and supplies to the front. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Righteousness2:
Personally, When it comes to Ukraine and Russia and the side I am on,

My side is GOD'S WORD and HIS PLANS.

My Bible clearly states in Ezekiel 38 and 39 that in the latter days, Russia will come against ISRAEL.
GOD says to their leader, Gog, that HE is against him.

For Gog to be strong enough to make the move against ISRAEL, he needs to win on other fronts and wait patiently for America’s demise.

In other words- nothing that I see today surprises me!

owagbeba:
honestly don’t know why you’d have to insult him to make your point. Don’t dumb down the discuss here.. Nairaland is a great platform for sharing ideas and views.

Just to brighten things up for you, the USA has not gone to any war, from the balkans to Afghanistan, and recently Libya without a coalition.

A Russian T90 tank weighs 48tons -equivalent of 100 grown donkeys. The Russians must have millions of donkeys to transport all those hardwares around the battle field .

Think about it

AImiron:
Source: ExpressUK

tollyboy5:
You say?

Dogalmighty17:
You are a slowpoke. No one is scared of Russia. A country that needs north korea to help out can't be taken seriously. They can't even afford military logistics anymore and are depending on donkeys to move men and supplies to the front. Stop embarrassing yourself.

othermen:
Trump’s position is that the continued conflict is unsustainable. He talks about the lives that are lost and all the irreparable damages. Trump’s position is that compromise is a necessity.

Zelenskyy wants outright victory. That Putin gets the Gaddafi treatment. And Russia becomes subordinated to Europe, with their weapons and army all disbanded as was done with Germany after WW II. This is the only way Ukraine sovereignty is guaranteed.

Trump don’t see how this is possible without a full blown war in Europe and perhaps, in the world. Trump thinks a better route is diplomacy. Zelenskyy sees Trump as a direct obstacle to this goal.

Zelenskyy’s rhetoric is not dumb. His body language, his positions may be intended at actively driving a wedge between himself and the US.
It is some strategic maneuvering. It’s calculated.

Zelenskyy could sever ties with the US, in the hope that this pushes Europe into assuming greater responsibility for the war effort.

European leaders already signaled they also desire the end of Putin. But rhetorics and actions are different things.

And Zelenskyy might be overplaying his hand in appealing to Europe’s fraught ego.

The EU is an organization that is willing to use Ukraine as a pawn in their effort to increase members commitment and become an actual dominant power. In reframing the US as an unreliable ally, alliances are reshaped that benefits the EU tangibly.

But the EU might be overplaying its hand.

In all, there are pawns, knights, rooks, bishops, kings and queens. As you read, people are dying in the war.

AImiron:
Senator Graham is one of Ukraine's allies and a staunch supporter of Zelensky and Ukraine. He has traveled to Ukraine several times.

Well, hearing this from him means Zelensky is in serious trouble. I was quite surprised when I saw his speech, I had to double-check to make sure it wasn’t an AI-generated video.

This picture was taken before the meeting at the Oval Office today. Losing an ally like Graham is a huge blow, Zelensky is in deep trouble.

FairlyUSEDpussy:
And......why is trump and his fellow lout trying so hard to dictate for a sitting president of another country??
Why?
Why??
Why

ElevationD:
Maybe the fellow does not understand what nuclear weapons can do. He probably does not know that in a few minutes, Ukraine can be wiped off the earth.

I am no supporter of the needless war, carefully orchestrated by Putin. However, I am in support of peace and anything that can be done to achieve world peace, irrespective of the continent where there’s ongoing war.

floss:
Hmmm.. Zelenskyy is not happy that Trump doesn’t support the free money Biden was giving to him,

lexy2014:
what do you mean by "What do you mean by in what way?"

what do you mean by "What I meant is that what do you mean?"

what do you mean by "I don't understand you?" grin

what do you mean by "Can you explain better?"

what do you mean by "You say?"

CaptainGo:
Honestly, you are the one who is a slowpoke. If Russia intended to flatten Ukraine, all of Ukraine would be rubble by now.

Una go siddon for una house dey post rubbish while millions of people dey die

othermen:
Trump’s position is that the continued conflict is unsustainable. He talks about the lives that are lost and all the irreparable damages. Trump’s position is that compromise is a necessity.

Zelenskyy wants outright victory. That Putin gets the Gaddafi treatment. And Russia becomes subordinated to Europe, with their weapons and army all disbanded as was done with Germany after WW II. This is the only way Ukraine sovereignty is guaranteed.

Trump don’t see how this is possible without a full blown war in Europe, and perhaps, in the world. Trump thinks a better route is diplomacy. Zelenskyy sees Trump as a direct obstacle to this goal.

Zelenskyy’s rhetoric is not dumb. His body language, his positions may be intended at actively driving a wedge between himself and the US.
It is some strategic maneuvering. It’s calculated.

Zelenskyy could sever ties with the US, in the hope that this pushes Europe into assuming greater responsibility for the war effort.

European leaders already signaled they also desire the end of Putin. But rhetorics and actions are different things.

And Zelenskyy might be overplaying his hand in appealing to Europe’s fraught ego.

The EU is an organization that is willing to use Ukraine as a pawn in their effort to increase members commitment and become an actual dominant power. In reframing the US as an unreliable ally, alliances are reshaped that benefits the EU tangibly.

But the EU might be overplaying its hand.

In all, there are pawns, knights, rooks, bishops, kings and queens. As you read, people are dying in the war.

lexy2014:
how do you start "a conversation on war" with the soldiers and not with the president of a country?

TenQ:
There was nothing Zelensky could have done with Trump or his vice president to change Anything. Trump had decided his outcome even before he became the president.

What does Trump want?
1. A total capitulation of Ukraine for Russia because, he sees the war with China within the next five years to worry about. He doesn't want to fight a combination of Russia and China.
2. In the process of capitulation of Ukraine, Trump want to recoup everything America ever spent on Ukraine and more, hence his over inflated spending of $500billion and $350billion when in actuality, what was spent was about $150billion.
3. It is easier to break Ukraine than Russia, thus, for bragging rights to have ended two wars at his instance, Ukraine needed to be sacrificed.

What does Zelensky want?
Zelensky only wanted ONE thing: Security Guarantees

The argument of Zelensky is that IF
1. Russia violated the Budapest agreement and
2. Russia violated the Minsk agreement.
What will prevent them from Violating this new Peace Deal

Can USA stand as a guarantor for this new Peace Agreement to settle this war?

The problem is that Trump vehemently refuse to offer ANY.

epainos:
Lol. Why don't you give such guarantee if e dey pain you like this?

So, you want the US to stand as a guarantee for another country. That if Russia should attack again, they will attack Russia. Are you serious? You called almost 200billliin usd nothing..you are funny. I would do same bro. Sebi him get resources to use. Trump is saying the cost we will go into it with him is $500billion if he wants to say he is stubborn. But he can't do it. So, screw him. Do you know what $200b is? More than the gdp of some nations. Are you serious?

If the whole of Ukraine is saying they are a sovereign nation...is their worth only $300b they cannot put such forward in addition to the $500 they habe collected? Nope.. he doesn't want to do it. Do you think Trump won't provide him bombs to shell Moscow if he gives him what he wants? He's taking $200B already. So, pay another $300B to be rest assured you can go on for another 4 years and give me my previous $200B...shikena. How is he cheating him? Yet, Zelensky has it but doesn't want to release it. Lol. You think if he releases it Trump is going to send Putin papa? Dey play.

Let me go back to what I stated earlier. Get your money. Period. If Ukraine had its money to fight, and Russia tried rubbish the first time, and it attacked Russia...would Russia return? Ok. Let say it is even now...if Zelensky has his money, would he even bother to go to Washington?

You are funny. The case is like this. You are fighting your neighbor who you know better than me. And that neighbor is shelling you badly. I decided to help you confront the neighbour but there is violent in the neighborhood. Na you dey pay me or feed me to come demand that I should be your guarantee that your neighbor will not attack you again? Just imagine what you are saying. I would simply withdraw everything and let's see how you can move ahead na. Just exactly what Trump has done. Does it mean I am supporting Trump? Nope. But it is their money...not mine, not yours, and not Zelensky's. OK. You should go and give him such guarantee na.

Do you think there will be world war III the way things are going presently? No way. Russia will crush Ukraine and there is nothing anyone can do as long as the EU has shown that they are useless. Period!

Go and give him such guarantee na since Trump has refused. Go.

We are telling you the truth here. Money talks. If Zelensky offers the US billions to buy weapons, do you think they will not sell? If the US does not want to sell, the EU will sell. But the nation has no money to spend. So, you should go and guarantee him that Russia will not attack again. You should go.

ICC and other international law enforcement things go after those they can rough handle. If the US decides to shell Delmark and Grenland today, do you think anyone can do them anything? You can do them something if forces like Russia and China put money together to fight them, but it's their money. If they don't want to spend their money on the fight of another nation, so be it. And you dey ginger like say the US must give such guarantee. Lol. Even after providing about 200 billion usd, you still want them to give guarantee. Meaning, they will spend more and more if Russia attacks again. Na dem fight? Jeez!

My comment still doesn't mean I support Trump the way he goes about it cos there could be better ways. But this is the reality. So, tell the UK. France, and Germany to take over from where the US stops na. Or when dem suppose boycott Russia's income and stop buy their oil...did they do it? Cos they can't. They cannot. So, let's be guided.

Guarantee my as.s.

epainos:
Lol. Why don't you give such guarantee if e dey pain you like this?

So, you want the US to stand as a guarantee for another country. That if Russia should attack again, they will attack Russia. Are you serious? You called almost 200billliin usd nothing..you are funny. I would do same bro. Sebi him get resources to use. Trump is saying the cost we will go into it with him is $500billion if he wants to say he is stubborn. But he can't do it. So, screw him. Do you know what $200b is? More than the gdp of some nations. Are you serious?

If the whole of Ukraine is saying they are a sovereign nation...is their worth only $300b they cannot put such forward in addition to the $500 they habe collected? Nope.. he doesn't want to do it. Do you think Trump won't provide him bombs to shell Moscow if he gives him what he wants? He's taking $200B already. So, pay another $300B to be rest assured you can go on for another 4 years and give me my previous $200B...shikena. How is he cheating him? Yet, Zelensky has it but doesn't want to release it. Lol. You think if he releases it Trump is going to send Putin papa? Dey play.

Let me go back to what I stated earlier. Get your money. Period. If Ukraine had its money to fight, and Russia tried rubbish the first time, and it attacked Russia...would Russia return? Ok. Let say it is even now...if Zelensky has his money, would he even bother to go to Washington?

You are funny. The case is like this. You are fighting your neighbor who you know better than me. And that neighbor is shelling you badly. I decided to help you confront the neighbour but there is violent in the neighborhood. Na you dey pay me or feed me to come demand that I should be your guarantee that your neighbor will not attack you again? Just imagine what you are saying. I would simply withdraw everything and let's see how you can move ahead na. Just exactly what Trump has done. Does it mean I am supporting Trump? Nope. But it is their money...not mine, not yours, and not Zelensky's. OK. You should go and give him such guarantee na.

Do you think there will be world war III the way things are going presently? No way. Russia will crush Ukraine and there is nothing anyone can do as long as the EU has shown that they are useless. Period!

Go and give him such guarantee na since Trump has refused. Go.

We are telling you the truth here. Money talks. If Zelensky offers the US billions to buy weapons, do you think they will not sell? If the US does not want to sell, the EU will sell. But the nation has no money to spend. So, you should go and guarantee him that Russia will not attack again. You should go.

ICC and other international law enforcement things go after those they can rough handle. If the US decides to shell Delmark and Grenland today, do you think anyone can do them anything? You can do them something if forces like Russia and China put money together to fight them, but it's their money. If they don't want to spend their money on the fight of another nation, so be it. And you dey ginger like say the US must give such guarantee. Lol. Even after providing about 200 billion usd, you still want them to give guarantee. Meaning, they will spend more and more if Russia attacks again. Na dem fight? Jeez!

My comment still doesn't mean I support Trump the way he goes about it cos there could be better ways. But this is the reality. So, tell the UK. France, and Germany to take over from where the US stops na. Or when dem suppose boycott Russia's income and stop buy their oil...did they do it? Cos they can't. They cannot. So, let's be guided.

Guarantee my as.s.

epainos:
It is not yet over if Zelensky is smart
Zelensky should have gotten the signal that Trump isn't ready to spend a pence on any war without getting much more back. Israel paid the US big time for the missiles they bought. If Ukriane is also paying Trump billions, I am sure he will blast Putin, welcome Zelensky very well like he honored Natenyahu. But Zelensky still went ahead to persuade them to give him more fund to keep fighting. That's not wise.

This war isn't over yet as the next face is 100% politics and diplomacy. If I were Zelensky, I would meet with the EU as soon as possible to see if I could still use their financial support to quickly negotiate a cease-fire, and more importantly, to hold elections so that he could run for another term or fix his man there. The next election should be his concern to shut up most critics since he doesn't have his own money to keep fighting. One year preparation should be announced fast. He is buying 1 year to quickly write his legacy rather have it rubbished. Believe me, Moscow will stop everything cos they also will want to participate so as to install their own. Zelensky should use this strategy to buy time for him to save his integrity instead of being disgraced. EU will rally round him to fight the next war which is now internally and fully politically.

Zelensky might even get away without negotiating with Russia if he quickly organises an election. Moscow definitely will welcome the idea because they will want to eject him finally, and Zelensky can outsmart them and win or put his own there. And if he doesn't still win, he should move quietly out of Ukraine a man who refused to back down, but lost an election honorably. The next president can do whatsoever he pleases while he spends his life in EU with his honor intact and still pressing buttons as one of Ukriane's hero..rather than allow Trump mess him up. I don't even know maybe it's Biden that messed him up by providing him too much. Can't say.

Personally, I think the argument should have been done indoor, and then, all parties can just pretend with whatever they want to tell the press. Or maybe, Zelensky could even boycott the press to show his annoyance. I can easily say I dont support Trump and his vice for this, but who knows what Zelensky had pulled indoor initially? The other issue...this boy called Vance needs to be careful cos na so Pence did his "gra gra" with Trump, and they fell out with each other later. This boy has just started his career and is lucky to be the US VP, and Trump is already rounding up. This boy will just allow himself to be hated.

Well, he has fought a good fight, but we must learn from this issue. Get your money, if not, you will be talked down even in your family meetings. Get your money. And if you are temporarily getting help, avoid anything called argument or confrontation with sources you are getting help from. As soon as you see 'sh.ts coming your way, quickly change direction.

Zelensky needs to act fast and smart. It is not yet over.

LifeofDream:
There's a reason Europe are scared of Russia.. I'll not say more than that...

Ukraine as a nation, Zelensky as a president.. Both are still existing because of Putin kindness... If Putin want Gaza-like Ukraine, he would've destroy everything...

Even American agreed the Russians are figuring with one hand behind.. They see Ukraine as a prodigal brother that can come to it sense..

buhariguy:
that is a good idea, but for trump asking for $500b deal, is not possible

NinjaMetahuman:
Lindsey Graham is what a again?

Isn't he the woman sounding closet fággot that always sucks Trump's balls?

What the fvck are you on about?

Lmao! he said ally like Lindsey Graham. You would think he was referring to prime minister of wakanda or something..

Another uninformed Nigerian retarrd spotted

malali:
I am sure Zelensky knew what he signed up for.

Trump and his gang are just trying to outright bully him.

Calling him to the whitehouse to scold him is no way to talk to a sitting president.

I am happy Zelensky stood his ground. It made trump and Vance look weak.

As slow and as weak as Biden looked he never needed to go into a shouting contest with Zelensky.

Trump wants zelensky to accept whatever he says....so that he can quickly declare that he has ended the war which Biden couldnt do.

Zelesnky wants reassurance that, if he concedes there will never be another attack.

And that shady 50% earth minerals deal just feels like Rape........lol

He was sent out of the White House, he didn't stand sh1t yall should stay away from cnn

TenQ:
I can see why it doesn't make sense to you that a nation who gave up her nukes should insist on a guarantee for a lasting peace!
Birds of the same feathers, flock together they say!

floss:
Hmmm.. Zelenskyy is not happy that Trump doesn’t support the free money Biden was giving to him,

tollyboy5:
I don't get?

Dogalmighty17:
You are a slowpoke. No one is scared of Russia. A country that needs north korea to help out can't be taken seriously. They can't even afford military logistics anymore and are depending on donkeys to move men and supplies to the front. Stop embarrassing yourself.