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Ushman333:
Do you want the war to continue, Trump is trying to end the war...this war affect prices of wheat and global energy prices.

Now you just stated your problem, you are only concerned about your belle right, hungry greedy mofo.

Gandrova:
Even though his agenda is hidden like you mentioned.
At least the war would stopped?

for how long is the question, maybe 6 months, then of what use.

TenQ:
Unfortunately, the first thing is to review what Putin wants
1. Unconditional capitulation of Ukraine
2. Formal recognition of annexation of all the four Ukrainian oblasts including Crimea by Russia
3. Ukraine to limit it's army to a maximum of 50,000 and dismantling of any long range weapon
4. Formal rejection of ever joining NATO or EU
5. Surrender of the Political leadership of Ukraine permanently to Russia
6. Adoption of Russian language and culture back to Ukraine

What does Ukraine want
A Robust Security Guarantees that after the negotiations, Russia will not invade Ukraine again.

Security guarantees are too easy.
1. Ukraine accepted into NATO
2. Trigger to activate Ukraine joining NATO if and only if Russia attempts another invasion
3. Robust foreign Army in Ukraine for Peace keeping
4. Arming Ukraine to the Teeth with weapons as deterrents to invasion from Russia


Anyone of these would have worked. But to say no guarantees is to cause another war in future .





If I were Zelensky, I will order my scientists to start work on testing out Ukrainian made Nukes within the next two years


If ai was Taiwan, I will be thinking of negotiating with China!

If I was Japan, I will assume I have no friend in USA

You are right every country should be tolling this path by now.

tctrills:
I have made peace with my enemy at the expense of my resources.
I have been robbed and I gave up my resources for peace and safety. I would have been a goat not to do so.

Hope you gave the enmey your wife, children and everything you won too. ode.

Gandrova:
Even though his agenda is hidden like you mentioned.
At least the war would stopped?

Is that part of the reason he has become highly disposed to Russian President - Putin?

So he can get this deal signed with the government of Ukraine and mind you, once signed, it becomes binding on Ukraine even if the war takes 20 years till it end. USA will and can then come to extract and recover their bargain on the deal executed by Trump and current Ukrainian President.

Do you now understand. What ever deal they sign today will be and can be effected several years later, even if the war takes 50 years

Mandate1:
Zelensky is very right. Who do u think Putin is making all those long range weapons for? Ukraine? One day it will face the US

and u.s is spending billions of dollar in budget frying Akara nd puff for soldiers which is ×9 of Russia budget, still u.s got the best airforce with base and proxy round the world, bro forget matter, even putin the giv trump way ,just interest of few American not to loose there wealth doing war is what de are avoiding, dude like elon can just loose his wealth nd he plays role in trump winning

Mandate1:
a senseless war that shouldn't have happened. Who started the senseless war? Is there a guarantee that the senseless war won't start again after few months of stoppage? Madman Putin wants to unite old USSR, so nothing will deter him. The West must sit-up and stop depending on USA

Goodluck to the west. I think everyone should apply common sense. Russia never planned to invade Ukraine until they were toying with the idea of joining Nato.

This is what trump and everybody with common sense are saying.

I think Trump is doing a terrific job, Trump wants the war to end.. while EU and others doesn’t want the war to end!!

TenQ:
Unfortunately, the first thing is to review what Putin wants
1. Unconditional capitulation of Ukraine
2. Formal recognition of annexation of all the four Ukrainian oblasts including Crimea by Russia
3. Ukraine to limit it's army to a maximum of 50,000 and dismantling of any long range weapon
4. Formal rejection of ever joining NATO or EU
5. Surrender of the Political leadership of Ukraine permanently to Russia
6. Adoption of Russian language and culture back to Ukraine

What does Ukraine want
A Robust Security Guarantees that after the negotiations, Russia will not invade Ukraine again.

Security guarantees are too easy.
1. Ukraine accepted into NATO
2. Trigger to activate Ukraine joining NATO if and only if Russia attempts another invasion
3. Robust foreign Army in Ukraine for Peace keeping
4. Arming Ukraine to the Teeth with weapons as deterrents to invasion from Russia


Anyone of these would have worked. But to say no guarantees is to cause another war in future .





If I were Zelensky, I will order my scientists to start work on testing out Ukrainian made Nukes within the next two years


If ai was Taiwan, I will be thinking of negotiating with China!

If I was Japan, I will assume I have no friend in USA

LIES
1. Minsk and Istanbul agreements prior, were never unconditional capitulation for Ukraine.
2. All the four oblasts have not even been completely overtaken by Russia. Battle line is merely required to freeze along points of hostility, which is to become the new border
3. That was the old agreement.
4. Ukraine can join EU but not NATO
5. No such request ever made by Russia.
6. Lies. With Donbas gone, Russian language, Church or Culture is no longer necessary in Ukraine.

b. What Zelensky wants is for NATO going to war with Russia.

1. Russia nukes Ukraine
2. Russia nukes Ukraine
3. Foreign troops unacceptable to Russia.
4. 500billion USD already spent to arm Ukraine to no avail

What happens if Ukraine breaks the agreement? No one talks about dat?
They are the ones who broke Minsk, not Russia

If u make nuke Russia will nuke u
Taiwan does not exist
Japan does not need American security

DTTB
Donald
Trumpet
The
Bully

Namaster:
It's funny to see a WOMAN advocating for violence against an INNOCENT man.

But it's even funnier to see Russia and USA 69-ing each other in public.

Trump, Vance, a former Russian President and a USELESS journalist GANGED UP against Zelensky.

They tried to BULLY him BUT they FAILED!

Trump told him to "make a deal".
What deal?

People have been claiming that Trump is a COMPLETE idiot.
And Trump makes it real hard not ro believe them.

He talks about a peace deal. But the deal is basically giving Putin EVERYTHING he wants and allowing the US to PILLAGE the leftovers.

There is NOTHING for Ukraine in the deal.

The deal is just to allow Putin to hold on to Ukrainian territory without the fear of Ukraine fighting back.

You should continue ranting here, you heard me? When USA weapons stop flowing to Ukraine, you will understand what Trump is saying and why it is important for that clown to make peace deal now that he still has some advantages. Or, you think EU can rise to the occasion?
You asked what is in the deal for him? No be him and Putin go sit down and talk about that? Trump is only softening the ground for both of them.

Botragelad:
Hit him for defending his country?

Bloody hell!
Trump's got the audacity to tell Zelensky to 'embrace peace' after Russia's blatant invasion and annexation?

How about this: Israel's got the right to defend itself, but Ukraine's just supposed to roll over and take it? Hamas attacked Israel, we all were screaming for blood, but when Russia invades Ukraine, it's just 'oh, let's just talk it out'? Maybe tell Israel to stop attacking Hamas and just sit back too.

Trump's 'peace' rhetoric makes no sense. If the US were attacked today, US,d be carpet-bombing the enemy into oblivion. But Ukraine's just supposed to sit back and take it?

Europe, are you listening? It's time to stop with the 'woke nonsense' and start supporting Ukraine. We're not talking about some abstract 'peace' here, we're talking about real support. If you're not willing to stand up for Ukraine, then you're bloody cowards.

He will lose more if he doesn't now that USA weapons is still flowing into his country.

Namaster:
It's funny to see a WOMAN advocating for violence against an INNOCENT man.

But it's even funnier to see Russia and USA 69-ing each other in public.

Trump, Vance, a former Russian President and a USELESS journalist GANGED UP against Zelensky.

They tried to BULLY him BUT they FAILED!

Trump told him to "make a deal".
What deal?

People have been claiming that Trump is a COMPLETE idiot.
And Trump makes it real hard not ro believe them.

He talks about a peace deal. But the deal is basically giving Putin EVERYTHING he wants and allowing the US to PILLAGE the leftovers.

There is NOTHING for Ukraine in the deal.

The deal is just to allow Putin to hold on to Ukrainian territory without the fear of Ukraine fighting back.

Trump just wants Ukraine to stop fighting back.

Zelensky asked him what's in it for Ukraine?
Russia already VIOLATED a peace deal that was brokered in 2019.

Zelensky asked him what is the GUARANTEE that he wouldn't violate a new one?

The FELON couldn't provide an answer.

Putin ATTACKED Ukraine.
Now Putin, Trump, Vance and their lackeys BLAME Ukraine for it.

That's like INTENTIONALLY setting your house on fire and blaming the house for being flammable.

It's MADNESS!

Europe, and the rest of the world, need to STOP dealing with the US or according them ANY respect in international discourses.

I don't get why their leaders still feel the need to visit Trump. He's a CRIMINAL who's president because Americans FAILED.

NEVER give him legitimacy.

Europe once colonised MOST of the known world. They need to rediscover that greatness.

They NEED to stop being timid in the way they deal with MALICIOUS people.

They need to be MORE proactive. They should start SANCTIONING the US. And REDUCING the influence that the US exerts on international bodies.

There is NO country or a coalition of countries that would go to war with Europe and emerge UNSCATHED.

If US and Russia wants war, Europe (and the rest of the world) should give it to them.

Trump is already threatening Zelensky (and the world, really) with World War 3.

There is ZERO reason to try placating them.
Placation NEVER works with bullies. Only RETALIATION.

Give them that!

MORONS think the US would remain untouched in a World War.
Time to DISPEL their delusions.

Keep fooling yourself, do you think Europe can win against US and Russia? you must be very high.

Funflipper:
At least he won't have any significant leverage on the negotiating table because he is already under immense pressure from his people. His soldiers are dropping like flies, equipments being blown to pieces and having north korea come to his aid. These are indications that russia is running low and out of options. He would have run Russia to the ground which in turn would cause an uprising and ultimately his removal for starting this senseless war in the first place. But donald trump has given him a life line now.

You are right, Trump is just doing the bidding of Putin, he is nothing but a mole of Putin.

Wallade:
Trump doesn't primarily want peace, he wants to take advantage and get minerals and material resources off Ukraine as payment for the resources USA spent on the war.

That is what Trump is after, he does not really care about peace between Russia and Ukraine.

And that's what you are convinced of, your position. Trump will achieve his aim whether Zelensky agrees with him or not because USA is the major financier of this war. It is either Zelensky makes peace deal quietly or loses the war and everything. I mean, it is common sense here. Every single day that the war extends, Ukraine loses more territory to Russia. So, what is the Ukraine's advantage here?

fxexperts:
Now you just stated your problem, you are only concerned about your belle right, hungry greedy mofo.

for how long is the question, maybe 6 months, then of what use.

You are right every country should be tolling this path by now.

Hope you gave the enmey your wife, children and everything you won too. ode.

As usual you are all about insulting when you have no point. Goodbye.

Wallade:
Hmmm. You can't understand.

No wahala.

Juju70:
the guy has something incriminating on him! confirmed!

I don't think so. He's simply saying America first. If he stops sending billions of dollars in terms of weapons and money to Ukraine now, many of you will understand what he's saying. Many USA citizens are not even happy with the govt using money that should go into health care for funding Ukraine war.
This is Biden war, not Trump war

tctrills:
As usual you are all about insulting when you have no point. Goodbye.

It is what you stated that I wrote na, you are more concerned about the price of wheat and fufu.

Funflipper:
At least he won't have any significant leverage on the negotiating table because he is already under immense pressure from his people. His soldiers are dropping like flies, equipments being blown to pieces and having north korea come to his aid. These are indications that russia is running low and out of options. He would have run Russia to the ground which in turn would cause an uprising and ultimately his removal for starting this senseless war in the first place. But donald trump has given him a life line now.

Oh, you believe Russia is losing the war. Ok, let's see how this goes in 6 months. Hope we remember to have this conversation again.

fxexperts:
Now you just stated your problem, you are only concerned about your belle right, hungry greedy mofo.

for how long is the question, maybe 6 months, then of what use.

You are right every country should be tolling this path by now.

Hope you gave the enmey your wife, children and everything you won too. ode.

International diplomacy is about interest kid...what else is more important than inflation in Nigeria today...ode, plus lives get saved, you want the war to continue otherwise what solution are you proposing?

A lot of you kids talk from sentiment and emotions, answers is what solve problems, solutions not emotions.

Namaster:
It's funny to see a WOMAN advocating for violence against an INNOCENT man.

But it's even funnier to see Russia and USA 69-ing each other in public.

Trump, Vance, a former Russian President and a USELESS journalist GANGED UP against Zelensky.

They tried to BULLY him BUT they FAILED!

Trump told him to "make a deal".
What deal?

People have been claiming that Trump is a COMPLETE idiot.
And Trump makes it real hard not ro believe them.

He talks about a peace deal. But the deal is basically giving Putin EVERYTHING he wants and allowing the US to PILLAGE the leftovers.

There is NOTHING for Ukraine in the deal.

The deal is just to allow Putin to hold on to Ukrainian territory without the fear of Ukraine fighting back.

Trump just wants Ukraine to stop fighting back.

Zelensky asked him what's in it for Ukraine?
Russia already VIOLATED a peace deal that was brokered in 2019.

Zelensky asked him what is the GUARANTEE that he wouldn't violate a new one?

The FELON couldn't provide an answer.

Putin ATTACKED Ukraine.
Now Putin, Trump, Vance and their lackeys BLAME Ukraine for it.

That's like INTENTIONALLY setting your house on fire and blaming the house for being flammable.

It's MADNESS!

Europe, and the rest of the world, need to STOP dealing with the US or according them ANY respect in international discourses.

I don't get why their leaders still feel the need to visit Trump. He's a CRIMINAL who's president because Americans FAILED.

NEVER give him legitimacy.

Europe once colonised MOST of the known world. They need to rediscover that greatness.

They NEED to stop being timid in the way they deal with MALICIOUS people.

They need to be MORE proactive. They should start SANCTIONING the US. And REDUCING the influence that the US exerts on international bodies.

There is NO country or a coalition of countries that would go to war with Europe and emerge UNSCATHED.

If US and Russia wants war, Europe (and the rest of the world) should give it to them.

Trump is already threatening Zelensky (and the world, really) with World War 3.

There is ZERO reason to try placating them.
Placation NEVER works with bullies. Only RETALIATION.

Give them that!

MORONS think the US would remain untouched in a World War.
Time to DISPEL their delusions.

This is the first time the Narcissist Camo wearing warmonger is been told to the gospel Truth, You want to drag the US into Ww3 and he doesn't know it, I guess every other president he visits with his lies hails him and prepare Billions of dollars as military package to him and he will back and start nodding his head like a lizard..where has that gotten Ukraine to?
He thought Trump is Joe Biden, he can as well fight Putin And Russia all by himself without any assistance and crush him since he wants to be a Hero.
I have never seen a daft and dump President like Zelensky before, make a deal..you said No.
Go and fight alone then.
Trump and Vance wants to guide the arrogant Nazi but he keeps overestimating himself, he has this attitude of coming to your country and dictating to you what he wants you to do, and if you refuse it or act otherwise you will be seen as a wicked person who is not humane enough to help a struggling Ukraine.
What about Ukraine victory plan that he was selling all over Europe and NATO.
He really thinks he's something in the power play, hate him or like him Trump will be the only ONE to tell you the REAL TRUTH in this matter.

Moveittothem:
What are the terms and conditions for the peace to be given a chance?
Do you think peace is always negotiable?

If USA doesn't want to help Ukraine with finance, then so be it.

Let the world watch Russia conquer what is left of Ukraine and possibly annex it.
It won't be the first something like that has happened in history.

But saying Zelensky doesn't want peace? come on!

Imagine your neighboring village trying to take up your land because they are stronger, and your friends from other villages are saying you don't want peace, that you should give peace a chance.

what peace exactly?

Some peace are more costly than defeat.

Oga, it's one thing at a time. The UD has not yet discussed terms and agreement with Russia. Do take it easy.
Again, let's be practical. Weaker nations always seek out peace and not more war.
The idea that you keep fighting even when you can sign a peace deal has never ended well.
You have to choose one, defending your pride or defending your people.
The US did not begin this war, they are only trying to make peace.

TenQ:
Sorry,
According to Trump, was the military support a gift!?


Have you noticed how USA has suddenly become the next good thing since fried rice since Trump?

Have you noticed how NATO is no more the enemy of the great Russia?

It shows exactly how you think!

What's your point exactly? You want the war to continue forever?

Odin13:
The arrogance of trump was in full display yesterday

God bless Nigerians

Infact, I felt bad for Zelensky. He was being spoken to as if he was a child. Even if it's a child, the child was representing a nation. You speak to him as if he is your house boy, forcefully demanding him to say "Thank you to the United States".
That wasn't really a discussion to me but more a like a panel to scold Zelensky and threaten Ukraine all in favour of Russia, Trump's new found friend.

Funflipper:
But in all honesty, Trump was never going to sign that deal. He only made that proposal because he thought Zelensky won't accept the deal and he immediately started looking for ways to scuttle everything as soon as Zelensky accepted to sign it and that was what the whole world saw yesterday.

Your opinion. Do you have proof to back what you say because I can't argue with conspiracy theories

fxexperts:
It is what you stated that I wrote na, you are more concerned about the price of wheat and fufu.

Have fun

God1000:
Vladimir Putin must be very happy seeing the west crumbling with the help of Donald trump.

The KGB agent at the white house is a total disgrace

Can he talk to Netanyahu like that?

Wetin Trump do you, Haha 😂

tctrills:
You are saying what you don't know. Neither Trump or Russia have given terms for an end to the war. Or did Trump give you a private call to tell you this?
The negotiation is only beginning and Zelensky is acting like a blood thirsty war mongrel. He has no interest in peace.

every one knows that Trump is for putin

maasoap:
And that's what you are convinced of, your position. Trump will achieve his aim whether Zelensky agrees with him or not because USA is the major financier of this war. It is either Zelensky makes peace deal quietly or loses the war and everything. I mean, it is common sense here. Every single day that the war extends, Ukraine loses more territory to Russia. So, what is the Ukraine's advantage here?

The matters of Ukraine is ultimately determined by Ukrainians. Zelensky is just the President representing Ukrainians and I think he speaks for them.

The minerals and material resources are theirs and there was never an agreement abinitio that USA financial and artillery support to Ukraine were supposed to be paid for by Ukraine. It was also the USA that led Ukraine on to the war part with Russia in the first place by backing and pushing for cover from them in NATO.

The USA, under the new administration of Donald Trump, is now trying to bully and compel the Ukrainians to commit to a deal that trades off their mineral resources for little or no reward. Zelensky has a right to resist the bullish approach adopted by the Donald Trump administration.

I hope the war comes to an end soon but not with the treacherous, bullish and self centered behavior of the Trump administration.

I think Zelensky and the Ukrainians should rather take refuge and solicit support of the European Nations, not NATO(for now) and USA anymore.

Wallade:
Trump doesn't primarily want peace, he wants to take advantage and get minerals and material resources off Ukraine as payment for the resources USA spent on the war.

That is what Trump is after, he does not really care about peace between Russia and Ukraine.

So, what is in for the United States after spending all that huge amounts on Ukraine's and still nothing to show for it?
The US is not prepared to take on Russia, even the very NATO, so what's Zelensky fighting for.
Those huge ammunitions and Military aids packages worth Hundreds of Billions of dollars should just go like that since it's obvious that Ukraine can't defeat Russia, what again does Zelensky want.. this is already over and Russia won, so how will the United States recover the money they spent in Zelensky's foolish attempt of being a hero?

OlawaleBammie:
Trump want peace at what expense??


One day, just one day u and ur household will find urselves in same situation as Ukraine. Just one day, and u will be compelled to make peace with ur enemies at the expense of ur resources

Let him keep fighting,but this time not with United States money and ammunitions, c'mon send your siblings and family members to go help Ukraine win the war.
Biafrans conceded defeat when they understood that the war is unwinnable for them, what else does the comedian want.
This war should have ended and an agreement reached when he still had a good position but, his foolhardiness didn't let do the wise thing even up till now.
In all the military package the United States and Europe sent him so far has any territory been recovered so far?
Trump is a good business man, you can't come and trick Joe Biden hundreds of Billions of dollars and nothing to show for it and you want more.
For how long will he continue fighting Russia and what will be the possible outcome,ask yourself that question before you criticize Trump.

Bigshots001:
So, what is in for the United States after spending all that huge amounts on Ukraine's and still nothing to show for it?
The US is not prepared to take on Russia, even the very NATO, so what's Zelensky fighting for.
Those huge ammunitions and Military aids packages worth Hundreds of Billions of dollars should just go like that since it's obvious that Ukraine can't defeat Russia, what again does Zelensky want.. this is already over and Russia won, so how will the United States recover the money they spent in Zelensky's foolish attempt of being a hero?

USA can get some offers from Ukraine with respect to businesses and trades and mineral resources but it will be on the terms of Ukraine, not USA.

Ukraine never borrowed weapons, funds and resources officially from USA.

USA should negotiate with Ukraine on the mineral resources deal, Ukraine is not saying they don't want to enter the deal or agreement but it has to be on their terms. USA is being bullish and trying to use the war as a bargaining chip to gain leverage over Ukraine and ensure Ukraine concede extraordinary advantage to USA on the mineral deals.

tctrills:
Wait oh, is it that you want this war to continue?
How has the fighting benefited Ukraine?
The problem with you is id that you choose every position that is against the Trump position.

Do you truly prefer the Biden method where by the war would go on endlessly and Ukraine will continue to be a mess?
Zeelensky was the guest of the white house but he chose to make a spectacle in front of the cameras. He is not ready for peace. He wants the war to go on forever so let him go and continue his war.
At least, he had your blessings and support.

Peace deals should at least benefit both sides, I don't blame Zelenskky in any way
If US takes their minerals and Russia takes part of Ukraine forcefully taken from them, what's in it for Ukraine?
How are we sure Russia won't take more Ukraine territories in the next one year?
As much as the young man wants the war to end, they are just beating him and telling him not to cry. Who does that?

tctrills:
You are right, Ukraine had the right to defend itself but no one is obligated to finance their war. Let's have this discussion in the next 6 months.

I didnt say Ukraine has the right to defend itself. I asked the following questions.

Is Ukraine the aggressor in this war?

how has the fighting benefitted Russia?

if the US says that Israel has the right to defend itself and supports Israel with billions of dollars in military hardware, why then do you feel Ukraine does not hae the right to defend itself but should just roll over?

if the war is going on endlessly, how is that Ukraine's fault?