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tctrills:
So you are saying that he must continue to fight and destroy his county until Putin accepts the blame and returns all the captured land right?
It that is what he wants, let him go on. No problem.

You're not Ukranian so losing land and living in an occupation is lost on you. The US should step up and honor signed agreements or gtfah. Other nations are watching and beginning to realize the US has gone to shit under Trump

Botragelad:
Hit him for defending his country?

Bloody hell!
Trump's got the audacity to tell Zelensky to 'embrace peace' after Russia's blatant invasion and annexation?

How about this: Israel's got the right to defend itself, but Ukraine's just supposed to roll over and take it? Hamas attacked Israel, we all were screaming for blood, but when Russia invades Ukraine, it's just 'oh, let's just talk it out'? Maybe tell Israel to stop attacking Hamas and just sit back too.

Trump's 'peace' rhetoric makes no sense. If the US were attacked today, US,d be carpet-bombing the enemy into oblivion. But Ukraine's just supposed to sit back and take it?

Europe, are you listening? It's time to stop with the 'woke nonsense' and start supporting Ukraine. We're not talking about some abstract 'peace' here, we're talking about real support. If you're not willing to stand up for Ukraine, then you're bloody cowards.

Zelensky should keep fighting and stop running around trying to force other countries to support him.

You should travel to Ukraine and pick up guns since you're not a coward.

Trump was right when he said that Zelensky is looking for WW3.

tctrills:
It's too early to ask for the content. Negotiation is just beginning. Nothing has been agreed or even proposed yet.
Again when did anyone ask Ukraine to roll over and surrender.
Finally, surrender is not always a bad word especially when you look at the alternatives.

Trust me Trumps secretary of state meeting with Zelensky days ago give him an idea. Oga was shouting in his office. That was why he ran to Washington. The deal is a shit deal. Just like trumps other shit deals with allies

Bigshots001:
You don't understand anything about world politics, before America will engage in a war or a military quest they must have calculated the cost and what they stand to gain in it, if there's nothing to gain they'll never venture in it.
Now Zelensky fooled Joseph Biden and Kamala Harris to believe they'll win the war and these two have out that aid hoping to gain it back by awarding Ukraine rebuilding to American companies like Black Rock etc, now there's no clear win for Ukraine in view..so they should waste that money without anything in return because the comedian tricked them to into it?
It's a game of interest, remember the comedian is willing to sign away the mineral deposit for continued American support,but Trump doesn't want a Ww3 which is what it will eventually lead to, imagine hearing that a Ukraine defeat a Russian.. it's impossible and will most likely lead to nuclear war which Trump doesn't want and that's what Zelensky wants.
He doesn't want to admit that he has made a mistake by allowing himself to go to war with the Russians and he's in a desperate situation now.

I guess you are the one without much knowledge of world politics, her are few questions
1. Who attacked first? It was Russia, the situation is like Nigeria attacking Cameroun just because they want to join the Central African Block
2. How was Biden and Kamala deceived? can you state in clear terms?
3. So does it now mean that US is pulling out because they have discovered they are incapable of winning the war for Ukraine? are they afraid of Russia now?
4. So what's in it for US in Israeli/Gaza war? What did Israel promise US? Are they also mining minerals in Israel? What mineral deposit is in Israel that made US to help them? What has Israel given to the US for their support since the 1967s?
5. Zelenskyy is willing to negotiate the mineral deals but they wouldn't let him decide how his country will benefit from the deal

Zelenskyy should just resign and allow another person take over leadership of Ukraine to protect his image, any other person can sign that but I guess he won't.

God1000:
Vladimir Putin must be very happy seeing the west crumbling with the help of Donald trump.

The KGB agent at the white house is a total disgrace

Can he talk to Netanyahu like that?

So you think that Terrorist Zionist pig Netanyahu get reputation reach Zelensky?
How old are you?

rezy15:
Trust me Trumps secretary of state meeting with Zelensky days ago give him an idea. Oga was shouting in his office. That was why he ran to Washington. The deal is a shit deal. Just like trumps other shit deals with allies

I can't trust you, I can only trust the facts.
Please give me point by point why it is a shit deal. I want more than just your opinion.

fxexperts:
Now you just stated your problem, you are only concerned about your belle right, hungry greedy mofo.

for how long is the question, maybe 6 months, then of what use.

You are right every country should be tolling this path by now.

Hope you gave the enmey your wife, children and everything you won too. ode.

Unfortunately, Trump doesn't want Ukraine speaking of any guarantee. He thinks a just peace is the unconditional capitulation of Ukraine with USA also smiling to the bank by a stupidly granted concession to rare earth minerals by Ukraine

tctrills:
It's easy, let the US negotiate on your behalf and accept it when it is presented.
Or
Continue fighting but don't expect the US to finance your war.

Lol quite funny. Wow so people still think like you.
So what's the terms of agreement or negotiation ought to be.

Please out me out of my misery

tctrills:
I can't trust you, I can only trust the facts.
Please give me point by point why it is a shit deal. I want more than just your opinion.

what are the facts?

is this not your opinion?

tctrills:
Wait oh, is it that you want this war to continue?
How has the fighting benefited Ukraine?
The problem with you is id that you choose every position that is against the Trump position.

Do you truly prefer the Biden method where by the war would go on endlessly and Ukraine will continue to be a mess?
Zeelensky was the guest of the white house but he chose to make a spectacle in front of the cameras. He is not ready for peace. He wants the war to go on forever so let him go and continue his war.
At least, he had your blessings and support.

why should it be trusted?

tctrills:
I think you are confused. The only arrogant person yesterday was your man Zeelensky.
He was a guest of the white house yet he chose to make a spectacle in front of the media. He showed no respect for his host and he is not ready for peace.

Nigerians truly deserves the leaders they get. So Zelesky was arrogant for fighting for his countries......

May you not need help in your darkest hours

tctrills:
I think you are confused. The only arrogant person yesterday was your man Zeelensky.
He was a guest of the white house yet he chose to make a spectacle in front of the media. He showed no respect for his host and he is not ready for peace.

Maybe you didn’t watch the proceedings or like a lot of other id**ts busy praising the Russian agent in the White House every move no matter how stupid

tctrills:
I didn't answer what you asked because as I said, they are irrelevant questions.
The answers to your question will not lead to peace. It will only lead to more war.

are you saying that the following post you made that produced my questions is irrelevant?

tctrills:
Wait oh, is it that you want this war to continue?
How has the fighting benefited Ukraine?
The problem with you is id that you choose every position that is against the Trump position.

Do you truly prefer the Biden method where by the war would go on endlessly and Ukraine will continue to be a mess?
Zeelensky was the guest of the white house but he chose to make a spectacle in front of the cameras. He is not ready for peace. He wants the war to go on forever so let him go and continue his war.
At least, he had your blessings and support.

1. Is Ukraine the aggressor in this war?

2. how has the fighting benefitted Russia?

3. if the US says that Israel has the right to defend itself and supports Israel with billions of dollars in military hardware, why then do you feel Ukraine does not hae the right to defend itself but should just roll over?

4. if the war is going on endlessly, how is that Ukraine's fault?

rezy15:
You're not Ukranian so losing land and living in an occupation is lost on you. The US should step up and honor signed agreements or gtfah. Other nations are watching and beginning to realize the US has gone to shit under Trump

Neither are you Ukrainian but you want to push them to lose more land and people and lose their strongest allie.

You claim the US is gone to shit because they want peace. You confuse me oh.
You preferred the US under Biden when billions were spent on a war that had no end?
Explain the shit oga.

lexy2014:
that is not what I asked you.

1. Is Ukraine the aggressor in this war?

2. how has the fighting benefitted Russia?

3. if the US says that Israel has the right to defend itself and supports Israel with billions of dollars in military hardware, why then do you feel Ukraine does not hae the right to defend itself but should just roll over?

4. if the war is going on endlessly, how is that Ukraine's fault?

I press ignore

rezy15:
If you know anything about diplomacy, you would knw its the US that made an offer to broker peace. What's in it for Ukraine? For zelensky to shout at the US envoy in Ukraine you should the deal is a shitty one. Give up a large chunk of my minerals to the US without a security guarantee? Even an idiot would reject that deal. The US shouldn't pretend they won't benefit from that deal. Trump is just an antagonist. Smarter politicians won't even attack the president of an allied country in the oval office. The Ukrainian pple didn't agree to cede territory to Russia so any ceasefire without a guarantee of withdrawal by Russia is a shit deal

Please state the offer that the US make. I am listening.
Again it was Zelensky that insulted his host. Go back and listen to the exchange.

lexy2014:
are you saying that the following post you made that produced my questions is irrelevant?



1. Is Ukraine the aggressor in this war?

2. how has the fighting benefitted Russia?

3. if the US says that Israel has the right to defend itself and supports Israel with billions of dollars in military hardware, why then do you feel Ukraine does not hae the right to defend itself but should just roll over?

4. if the war is going on endlessly, how is that Ukraine's fault?

Interpret how you wish sir.

tctrills:
So you are saying that he must continue to fight and destroy his county until Putin accepts the blame and returns all the captured land right?
It that is what he wants, let him go on. No problem.

how is Zelensky destroying his country?

did he throw bombs or fire missiles on his country?

why should Putin not return Ukrainian land Russia presently occupies?

FEGNO:
Maybe you didn’t watch the proceedings or like a lot of other id**ts busy praising the Russian agent in the White House every move no matter how stupid

Make your point or go in peace. I don't have time for emotional people.

tctrills:
Interpret how you wish sir.

but its your interpretation I am following.

tctrills:
I didn't answer what you asked because as I said, they are irrelevant questions.
The answers to your question will not lead to peace. It will only lead to more war.

are you saying that the following post you made that produced my questions is irrelevant?

tctrills:
Wait oh, is it that you want this war to continue?
How has the fighting benefited Ukraine?
The problem with you is id that you choose every position that is against the Trump position.

Do you truly prefer the Biden method where by the war would go on endlessly and Ukraine will continue to be a mess?
Zeelensky was the guest of the white house but he chose to make a spectacle in front of the cameras. He is not ready for peace. He wants the war to go on forever so let him go and continue his war.
At least, he had your blessings and support.

1. Is Ukraine the aggressor in this war?

2. how has the fighting benefitted Russia?

3. if the US says that Israel has the right to defend itself and supports Israel with billions of dollars in military hardware, why then do you feel Ukraine does not hae the right to defend itself but should just roll over?

4. if the war is going on endlessly, how is that Ukraine's fault?

themanderon:
Zelensky doesn't yet know he is no position to make demands. The west deceived him and strung him along and now they have abandoned him. The war lasted this long because of American support and now if they withdraw how does he think he can proceed? European support cannot take him anywhere as their governments are facing imminent defeat at home.
If he continues to play hardball then Ukraine as a country will fall to Russia and cease to exist.

If Ukraine fall to Russia, then the west ceases to exist too. That's the unfortunate truth.

If the west wants to continue existing, they should give Ukraine security guarantee and Zen will accept every deal brought before him.

Is that too much to ask? Y'all....

rezy15:
You're not Ukranian so losing land and living in an occupation is lost on you. The US should step up and honor signed agreements or gtfah. Other nations are watching and beginning to realize the US has gone to shit under Trump

Any European countries that is not taking notes are setting themselves for failure. They can't count on the USA now or near future..

Europe need to start thinking on how to move away from the USA and become stronger without the USA . Failure to do this will end in disaster

tctrills:
Make your point or go in peace. I don't have time for emotional people.

but you have not used your time to answer my questions.

1. Is Ukraine the aggressor in this war?

2. how has the fighting benefitted Russia?

3. if the US says that Israel has the right to defend itself and supports Israel with billions of dollars in military hardware, why then do you feel Ukraine does not hae the right to defend itself but should just roll over?

4. if the war is going on endlessly, how is that Ukraine's fault?

dru23:
Nigerians truly deserves the leaders they get. So Zelesky was arrogant for fighting for his countries......

May you not need help in your darkest hours

Nigerians should learn to use their listening skills. No one called Zelensky arrogant for fighting for his county. Go back read and understand then we can discuss.

Krismas:
LIES
1. Minsk and Istanbul agreements prior, were never unconditional capitulation for Ukraine.
2. All the four oblasts have not even been completely overtaken by Russia. Battle line is merely required to freeze along points of hostility, which is to become the new border
3. That was the old agreement.
4. Ukraine can join EU but not NATO
5. No such request ever made by Russia.
6. Lies. With Donbas gone, Russian language, Church or Culture is no longer necessary in Ukraine.

b. What Zelensky wants is for NATO going to war with Russia.

1. Russia nukes Ukraine
2. Russia nukes Ukraine
3. Foreign troops unacceptable to Russia.
4. 500billion USD already spent to arm Ukraine to no avail

What happens if Ukraine breaks the agreement? No one talks about dat?
They are the ones who broke Minsk, not Russia

If u make nuke Russia will nuke u
Taiwan does not exist
Japan does not need American security

Like a broken record you just went off tangent to spew off your pre-recorded narration!

Where did you see Minsk agreement anywhere in my post?

tctrills:
Who told you that the US and NATO are obligated? Is Ukraine a NATO member.
Where in the NATO constitution is it written that the UD must finance Ukraine's wars. Please educate me sir.
Just send me a link to the documents that obligates the US.

“Who told you…”. History told me that. Following the history of the old Soviet Union, its breakup and the results told me so. The events that we see playing out, predate 2014 or 2022.

There are too many details to look at without sentiments. If you are willing to discuss with decorum, then we can proceed and you will get better informed.

Look at the below for starters:

1.Research “the Minsk Agreement” and why Putin calculated chose to break it up, claiming that Ukraine broke it. Why did Ukraine choose to end the treaty?

2. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-trilateral-process-the-united-states-ukraine-russia-and-nuclear-weapons/

3. The total nuclear stockpile in Ukraine before denuclearization.

4. The Steinmeier formula.

5. https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/93-1231-Weapons-Nonproliferation-Ukraine-CTRA.pdf

6. https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/ukraine-nuclear-weapons-and-security-assurances-glance

Read through and revert.

tctrills:
I can't trust you, I can only trust the facts.
Please give me point by point why it is a shit deal. I want more than just your opinion.

Ok first off, nobody wants war to continue. Oga trump claims he makes good deals. Good here are some points in the so-called good deal:
Ukraine withdraws from Russian territories in the Kursk region
Putin doesn't give up occupied land
Zelensky recognizes the occupied land as Part of Russia
Ukraine returns to neutrality and closes the door to joining NATO.
Now if you are president of Ukraine will you agree to this deal?

Funflipper:
I just gave you a valuable information that is being used to deceive people like you online.

You haven't answered my question & that doesn't mean you are a real person. I could be chatting with an alien or a programmed Ai generated mole.

Because the same people you said are not real also give me "valuable information".

Seunmuham:
Lol quite funny. Wow so people still think like you.
So what's the terms of agreement or negotiation ought to be.

Please out me out of my misery

Oga can you spell out the terms you are talking about?
Has anyone proposed terms for peace yet. Please tell me what I don't know.

tctrills:
I press ignore

does "press ignore" answer these questions?

1. Is Ukraine the aggressor in this war?

2. how has the fighting benefitted Russia?

3. if the US says that Israel has the right to defend itself and supports Israel with billions of dollars in military hardware, why then do you feel Ukraine does not hae the right to defend itself but should just roll over?

4. if the war is going on endlessly, how is that Ukraine's fault?

rezy15:
Ok first off, nobody wants war to continue. Oga trump claims he makes good deals. Good here are some points in the so-called good deal:
Ukraine withdraws from Russian territories in the Kursk region
Putin doesn't give up occupied land
Zelensky recognizes the occupied land as Part of Russia
Ukraine returns to neutrality and closes the door to joining NATO.
Now if you are president of Ukraine will you agree to this deal?

Oga the only valid point you made is the last one.
For the remaining, can you show me where you got them or are they fragments of your imagination?

ElevationD:
“Who told you…”. History told me that. Following the history of the old Soviet Union, its breakup and the results told me so. The events that we see playing out, predate 2014 or 2022.

There are too many details to look at without sentiments. If you are willing to discuss with decorum, then we can proceed and you will get better informed.

Look at the below for starters:

1.Research “the Minsk Agreement” and why Putin calculated chose to break it up, claiming that Ukraine broke it. Why did Ukraine choose to end the treaty?

2. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-trilateral-process-the-united-states-ukraine-russia-and-nuclear-weapons/

3. The total nuclear stockpile in Ukraine before denuclearization.

4. The Steinmeier formula.

5. https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/93-1231-Weapons-Nonproliferation-Ukraine-CTRA.pdf

6. https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/ukraine-nuclear-weapons-and-security-assurances-glance

Read through and revert.

So I went though you links and no one says that the US or NATO is obligated to protect Ukraine
Did you get me question?

tctrills:
What's your point exactly? You want the war to continue forever?

No!

1. I want the war to end in such a way that it wouldn't repeat itself right year down the line like
A. The failure of the Budapest agreement
B. The failure of the Minsk 1&2 agreement

2. I want a just ending to the war where any strong nation like America or China cannot just annex Nigeria or Cameroon just because they can do so militarily


Is the way out for you and unconditional capitulation of Ukraine with ZERO security guarantees?