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| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by maasoap(m): 3:15pm On Mar 01, 2025 |
God1000:I hope you displayed this type of energy when he said Palestinians living in Gaza should be distributed among Arab nations, that USA is going to use Gaza for resort and tourists attraction |
| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by maasoap(m): 3:17pm On Mar 01, 2025 |
bennybuhari:He's not the president, his time has expired and his rating is very low. Ukrainians are done with him but he would not leave |
| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by GetSenseNow: 3:35pm On Mar 01, 2025 |
olatade:Netanyahu's time will come |
| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by Mccollins042(m): 3:38pm On Mar 01, 2025 |
justmondris:I get your point, I think the Biden government is to be blamed, they left everything vague because they didn't want transparency even untill now they don't wanna speak. Trump is not happy with zelensky's exploitation if the US |
| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by GetSenseNow: 3:46pm On Mar 01, 2025 |
jomarick:If you think "Russia attacked a sovereign country for no reason" you're obviously one of the mindless hordes who know nothing about the genesis of this war |
| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by kissdabride: 3:54pm On Mar 01, 2025 |
OBIDIENTNAIJA:Lmao the terrorists only live for hot imaginary kpekus |
| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by Arapmoi22: 4:24pm On Mar 01, 2025 |
I chose to watch again the 49 minutes video of this meeting on Youtube. OBSERVATIONS (0 - 7:46 minutes): 1. The first 7 minutes was ladened with welcome statement and Introduction to the reason for the meeting. 2. Trump wants peace and also does not want to take sides. Justifiably, he who wants to mediate cannot take sides. 3. Zelensky made frantic efforts to win Trump to his sides. Meaning Trump will have to drop the garment of mediator and take sides. |
| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by Arapmoi22: 4:45pm On Mar 01, 2025*. Modified: 6:01pm On Mar 01, 2025 |
[b]OBSERVATIONS (7:47 - 38 minutes): 1. Trump wants deal. Then guarantee later. 2. Wants something for any commitment. With deal, US can have an interest to protect 3. Zelensky did not disagree, but also said they have more resources for stronger business commitment with US such as Gas deposit apart from rare earths. 4. Compromises must be made on both sides (Trump). Wants to be remembered as peacemaker. 5. Respect from Zelensky still intact even though he had to answer a question about not been properly dressed to Oval Office. Good one. 6. Zelensky wants Guarantee before ceasefire. Confessed EU needs USA guarantee as back stop for them to release their men as peacekeepers. 7. Zelensky exposed that EU is as helpless as Ukraine without US commitment. Guarantee first before ceasefire. 8. Putin cannot be trusted. He has to pay for all he destroyed. Another talking tough that doesn't go well with a mediator. Coming from someone who just confess how empty they are without US (mediator's) support. 9. Zelensky was trying to own US on his side and subtly threatened them they are not safe from Russia despite the Atlantic Ocean separation. That was in response to Trump's claim they are farther from Russia than Europe who is not doing enough. 10. The Agreement (the deal) will protect the areas of Interest. Areas of interest will be included in the protection deal. 11. JD Vance wanted to let Zelensky know that the path chosen earlier does not seem to work as it is only leading to more destruction, that is why Trump regime chose diplomacy (39:53). 12. Zelensky started the question that launched the pandemonium from 40:30minutes (40 minutes, 30 seconds). 13. Zelensky now started his stories to lecture Vance, "what type of diplomacy are you speaking about?". If I were Vance, I will be angry with such question from a beggar. Zelensky asked for all he saw afterwards.[/b] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um19Mf4dYes?si=N8za2d4Wh_0O62tT |
| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by Magnetic010: 5:49pm On Mar 01, 2025 |
dru23:Yes na...the amount of power you have varies directly with the amount of financial assistance you render...or to put it simply how indebted i am to you |
| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by dru23(m): 6:37pm On Mar 01, 2025 |
Magnetic010:So in essence this is how Nigerian politicians have the same power of you and your future. And the reasons why most Nigerians including you are in poverty.... What I learned a long time ago is to be self sufficient especially financially to avoid statements like people like you... |
| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by alphaNomega: 8:57pm On Mar 01, 2025 |
Juju70:lol, africa is not a problem for them at all. don't waste your time debating it. Our leadership on this continent are sellouts. |
| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by BondRiv: 8:58pm On Mar 01, 2025 |
dru23:You're just a zombie who watched a segment on CNN. You can't give what you don't have. I'm not surprised your empty head can't fathom or generate a simple analysis of this situation. You watched a meeting, without understanding anything. Asides that, you failed to appreciate the power dynamics between the parties and the context in which they were meeting. It is my understanding that the uncouth Zelensky was coached by European allies to act out this way, having analysed certain variables and series of events. How does any sensible person in such a position behave as Zelensky did? He has certainly been known to use drugs though. The constant interruptions, contemptuous head shakes and abrupt dismissal of the statements of Trump, sometimes mid-sentence. His flagrant combativeness and confrontational approach. Basically challenging Trump in the Oval office, throwing caution, common sense, diplomacy and even intelligence to the wind. A man whose country the U.S. is trying to help. He was in absolutely no position to do what he did and he did it to the wrong people. The very country he is heavily dependent on. He is about to find out what a big mistake he made. |
| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by dru23(m): 10:32pm On Mar 01, 2025 |
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| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by dru23(m): 10:36pm On Mar 01, 2025 |
Juju70:You have my respect....... I was glad that Zelensky didn't sign it . I thought he was going to sign it. But he came to dialogue with them and reason with them.. He stated over and over again he can't sign anything that does not guarantee Ukraine security. Trump stated he can't guarantee Ukraine security.. When u look at it they way they spoke to Zelensky like a child. It was embarrassing to watch. He stood his ground. This is like mafia shake down . The USA has gone to the dogs..... |
| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by chaloskyx: 10:53pm On Mar 01, 2025 |
1. Ukraine set up the meeting in DC. They gave the impression they had agreed to sign the deal. Ukraine's cabinet said they approved the deal 2. Trump got everyone there to welcome Zelensky and had their lunch being prepared. 3. The little bit we are seeing is like the last 10 minutes...this actually had been going on for 40 minutes before this blow up. 4. Trump, Vance, Rubio and Bessett were thinking they are here to sign the deal and just doing the premeeting reporter event for the press. 5. Zelensky started right away on trying to renegotiate the deal that had been agreed to by his cabinet. Trump kept saying we can talk about that later, Vance kept saying we will talk about that later...and Zelensky kept on and on like he has before...Then Zelensky said something about the US not doing enough...an Trump corrected and said "Yes we have" and "a lot more than some". Zelensky kept it up and demanding to know how the US was going to assure security for Ukraine (which the US has not offered to do) and how much money Ukraine needed. Vance asked him about showing some gratitude to the US for their aid and Zelensky called him a B it ch (barely picked up on mic, but, it's there)...that is when things between trump and Zelensky derailed. Trump took his team out of the room and Zelensky's team was taken to a different room and Trump's tam agreed this was a set-up so Zelensky could plead his case for money and military aid and rebuilding aid and not to sign the deal and that Zelensky needed to leave. Zelensky's team asked to meet anyway and were told NO. Then Zelensky called and was told NO. Next thing, Zelensky is in UK with Starmer and was caught in the UK badmouthing Trump and the US again. I do not want the US involved with Zelensky or Ukraine at all. All the missing money, the disrespecting the US, The Oval Office, Trump and Vance and the people of the US was too much. He needs to suck up to the UK, EU, Canada....and leave the US out of it. |
| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by Magnetic010: 12:00am On Mar 02, 2025 |
dru23:Did i borrow money from Nigerian politician?..If not that you are just looking for how to insult someone the proper example would have been have foreign leaders have control over our Nigerian leaders because they are always running over there to borrow money....It is not about indivdual self sufficiency but rather the Nation.Don't know if you understand the difference between micro and macro economics...When they say Nigeria owes china this amount of money, did you borrow money from china? of course not, but your government did so that makes you indebted to china |
| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by justmondris: 12:07am On Mar 02, 2025 |
Mccollins042:]] I believe a lot of Ukraine and US politicians used the war as an avenue to loot money. |
| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by dru23(m): 12:58am On Mar 02, 2025 |
Magnetic010:My point here is Trump and his Rogues didn't have to talk down to Zelensky like that. All Trump wanted to do is for Zelensky to sign the deal without any form of security guarantee. Zelensky can't just sign the future of his people away for nothing. Also keep in mind during Trump first term. Trump wanted Zelensky to implicate Biden son Hunter Biden in the corruption case. Which Zelensky decline to do. So for Trump this is pay back . All Trump is doing is extortion which will benefit him behind the scenes.. Please don't tell me that Trump is just trying to collect all the billions that was given to Ukraine back by the mineral deal . The USA has given Israel billions of dollars in grants and aid . Yes we can agree that Urkraine has been given more than any other countries. Why don't Trump ask Israel to give back the money etc...... Just because you are helping me does not mean that you now own me. All Zelensky was saying was the obvious fact. I keep saying this USA politics has turned to 3rd world politics. Trump is behaving like an African president. |
| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by Juju70(m): 2:04am On Mar 02, 2025 |
alphaNomega:believe it my friend you think its not a problem now but they are gradually creeping in and the take over will be a walk over! if we dont prepare deterrents to defend ourselves! |
| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by Mccollins042(m): 4:11am On Mar 02, 2025 |
justmondris:Yes na, including zelensky |
| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by Magnetic010: 4:23am On Mar 02, 2025 |
dru23:First you made some valid points that i agree with- US would probably not treat Isreal like it is treating Zelensiky and Ukraine granted and that is why you should be careful who you allow feed you( if you gey my point) The US politics have always been like that- they have always had policies that from afar look selfless and charitable but when you look closely you find out that it just a way to own you or ruin you..this is basically how the US have operated...you can ask India for clearer explanation even ask the taliban and afghan....They have always been masters of manupilation the difference here like you correctly pointed out is this time the manipulation is coming with a very heavy dose of revenge... Sadly for Zelensky and Ukraine he doesn't seem to have a better more reasonable alternative.. Ukraine is indebted to America, America wants their money back(plus interest....live time interest), trump wants to humiliate Zelensky in the process...That is where we are right now |
| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by Richcreed(m): 10:38am On Mar 02, 2025 |
Think Trump was aggressive to Zelenskyy for no reason? Watch the whole talk. Timestamps below. Zelenskyy was emotional. Interrupted Trump. Called Putin names. Raised his eyebrows. All before Trump checked him. And he called Vance a bitch. He wasn’t ready for peace. 2:00 Trump compliments Zelenskyy 4:00 Zelenskyy calls Putin a terrorist 12:00 Trump cracks joke with Zelensky 13:56 Zelenskyy interrupts Trump 17:20 Zelenskyy throws his hands up in seeming frustration 19:00 reporter asks Zelenskyy why he’s not wearing a suit 19:22 Trump commits to sending arms to Ukraine 19:41 Zelensky raises eyebrows and rolls eyes at Trump’s statement 22:55 Trump takes the edge off of the suit question by joking with Zelensky that he likes his outfit 23:49 Zelensky contradicts Trump and keeps painting Putin in a negative light 24:19 Zelensky says Putin will never accept ceasefire and pushes for American security guarantee 25:55 Zelensky says Putin hates Ukrainians 27:00 Zelensky says Putin should pay all reconstruction costs 29:19 Zelensky shakes head as Trump speaks 32:22 Zelensky says Putin wants to annex Poland 32:30 Zelensky says Putin will attack America 33:00 Zelensky interrupts Trump 39:19 This is when Trump went on the offensive by calling out Zelenskyy hatred for Putin and started to escalate 39:14 Vance says Zelensky has been disrespectful, and conversation continues to escalate 42:40 Apparently calls Vance “suka”, meaning bitch, under his breath. You don't have to like how Trump handled this, but don’t buy into the story that he ambushed or kick zelensky out. |
| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by Arapmoi22: 11:30am On Mar 02, 2025 |
Richcreed:[b]Zelensky is an Obstinate person. Stubborn and naturally not a deep-thinker. He seems to be a person that thinks half-way and jumping into action. He keeps lying about the Minsk Agreement which adopted a complete ceasefire in Eastern Ukraine (Dumbass region who are ethnic Russians). He is painting the pictures of Putin coming to attack Ukraine without mentioning that He kept attacking the people of Dumbass for 8 years despite the so-called Minsk Agreement. Trump wanted to be a mediator, but Zelensky was fighting on all fronts to just have Trump on his side. The reality is, Zele only wants to win Russia as a weapon Beggar and all other nations must pay for the weapons he wants to use. My younger ones can't come to me and tell me to bring out money at all cost to achieve their own end without considering how I feel about what they are planning to do. If they know my opinion or my feelings mattered not, why then ask me to support what I have no opinion on? Zele needs to know that a beggar is not the same as a billionaire. Begging for weapon and still trying to dictate to those he is begging is stupidity.[/b] |
| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by Richcreed(m): 1:59pm On Mar 02, 2025 |
Arapmoi22:He is a novice. He is learning the hard way. |
| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by Caseless: 10:18pm On Mar 02, 2025 |
God1000:You don't spend over 300 billion of your taxpayers money to protect a country and you don't have their leader in humble position. He should worship them. I don't even know what Zelensky is thinking. The only driving force behind that war is the US, and if they want it ended, it should end. He made a mistake by accepting to go to war - he allowed his country to go to ruins for global powers to test their weapons. I'm happy he was told to his face that, if they didn't come in, they could not have lasted 2 weeks with Russia. The mumu guy should give them his own conditions to accept ceasefire, not to be against it completely. |
| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by alphaNomega: 7:52am On Mar 03, 2025 |
Juju70:lol. they already own africa so your suggestion is many years late |
| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by MIKOLOWISKA: 8:03am On Mar 03, 2025 |
TheBillyonaire:did they collect the money Why didn't they stand their getting d when Russia was about to colonist them |
| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by Juju70(m): 6:40am On Mar 04, 2025 |
alphaNomega:you still have some freedom ![]() |
| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by alphaNomega: 5:17pm On Mar 04, 2025 |
Juju70:yes we do... "some" freedom |
| Re: Zelenskyy doesn't want peace, He Can Come Back When He Is Ready - Trump by GiftofGod77(m): 8:23pm On Mar 04, 2025 |
MERCHANDISER:I am not a comedian boss and even if China can wipe out Europe they will also suffer some effects too because Europe also has nukes and also the technology to prosecute a nuclear war. No one really has monopoly of violence if you agree with me. So its best they keep world war 3 at abeyance for now but its on the table oh that is why there is panic in the markets where you see digital coins and other currencies falling in value with stock markets...the threat is real.... |
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things are happening and you in Africa are left far behind! there is going to be a second conference where dem go divide africa again! how prepared are Africans and their leaders to safeguard themselves! Africa still has the resources and you can see how wickedly vigorous they are going after ukraine and greenland. if e happen today say dem recolonize africa are we prepared to defend ourselves?? Africa are we prepared
