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happney65:
The World will be less safer. And rogue countries like Russia can wake up today and take over any country he likes.

There is a reason why there is NATO. The US and Western Europe coming from the effects of World War 1 and 2 swore never to allow mad people like Hilter behave anyhow again.

But it is unfortunate that in our life time,Another Hilter is almost here,together with the Russian stooge in the WH,the world just might be closer to World War 3

But some of you who just started reading the news yesterday,who are lovers of Dictators do not know which is which. You just follow the bandwagon here and there

uncleck:
Election has consequences. Because you want to put "America first" you are unknowingly destroying America beyond repair. Let me break it down.

America is the biggest beneficiary of both NATO and UN against what Trump would have you all to believe. Ellon Musk is one of the individuals that have benefited the most from the existence of NATO and UN. Let me explain

The existence of NATO only serves the interest of America because it ensures that they have access to enormous quantities of raw materials needed to run American economy and also the leverage to assert their military power. In the absence of NATO, America will be isolated and it's economy crippled.

Same as the UN. UN gives American the power to intimidate, bully and coarse any country of their choice. In the absence of both NATO and UN, America will hardly be able to find market for their products and raw materials for their industries.

In a free market economy, America cannot defeat China in export of any form. American diplomacy, all things being equal, cannot win Chinese and Russians.

If America exits NATO and UN, it will be a win for China, Russia and the world at large because they will lose the influence to force dollars on anyone. Russia will expand politically. China's trade will grow exponentially. American dominance, especially in trade and commerce, will come to an abrupt end.

In the absence of NATO, America won't be able to threaten, even countries like Nigeria, because you need a military base in close proximity to attack a country. NATO currently gives America that leverage.

In conclusion, the conversation about exiting NATO and UN is childish because, to start with, both organizations serve only the interest of America.

If America exits NATO and UN, and Europe decide to strengthen EU, EU will enjoy better trade relation with Russia

djon78:
The moral of the whole mess for Nigeria is simple. Don't trust Russia, US and the EU. As much as possible, focus on peaceful development of your country, fight corruption and develop a strong capitalist industrial nation with a strong welfare system. Trust no one. Not even china.


The bolded made my day

But will the elites in Abuja listen

happney65:
Theu invaded Iraq and Afghanistan while looking for Osama. Even with the help of NATA. The only time NATO has gone to War was for the US and not for any other country

And No, They didnt invade Libya.

happney65:
Theu invaded Iraq and Afghanistan while looking for Osama. Even with the help of NATA. The only time NATO has gone to War was for the US and not for any other country

And No, They didnt invade Libya.

naijaguy1234:
Europeans cannot fund NATO like the USA does but maybe it’s time they form an European army as people are already suggesting .

America forget when it needed support after 9/11 especially in invading Iraq, the saying then was an attack on one is an attack on all. You had a country like Canada then that had absolutely no business to be in Iraq but ended up sending thousands of troops to support America and a few met their death.

blaise26abj:
Lol. Take it easy with the shades. What is wrong/bad with the comfort of an African setting ? I am actually comfortable in it for avoidance of doubt .

There is no mind reading at play here . Just old fashioned reading and having an open mind.

US is now saying they are not benefitting more again and they want to leave. it is still a problem ? Please join me to take it easy my brother

Namaster:

Very good!

FOOLS claimed to support the Felon because voting for Harris would be voting for WW3.

Let's see how they like it when the POTBELLIED fuccckwads get CONSCRIPTED to fight by a notorious draft-dodger.

hotseat:
Elon Musk, the de-facto President of the United States of America, has a protege in the person of a slowpoke called DT who he leads by the nose.


Elon Musk has continued to mislead DT without him realizing it.


This "America First" delirium would instead isolate the US in the political equation and reduce its sphere of influence.


After withdrawal from these organizations, what next?


Ok, one must not forget that DT now has new friends and allies like Russia, China, North Korea and Iran.



This is not America!




@hotseat

naijaguy1234:
Europeans cannot fund NATO like the USA does but maybe it’s time they form an European army as people are already suggesting .

America forget when it needed support after 9/11 especially in invading Iraq, the saying then was an attack on one is an attack on all. You had a country like Canada then that had absolutely no business to be in Iraq but ended up sending thousands of troops to support America and a few met their death.

perfectsusanoo:
Lol.
Brother I was just shocked, this same US that has ALWAYS benefited even from undesirable conditions.
I feel the coalition of NATO and UN have lost its omnipotent features just like the league of nations back then.
I actually envy the US's ability to manage, control and realise the 'fade' of its endeavours and rectify it with more potency.
Time shall tell.
Brother I meant no serious ill intent just astonishment.
As for the African setting part, it isn't a bad thing just the confident 'tone' you wrote that Trump part After all, 98% of Nairalanders (me included) write from the region.
No offense sir.

givedemwotowoto:
Good. What happens if Ukraine wins the war and years later, they start funding terr** groups that plan to attack other countries? Will that be US or NATO fault for supporting them during their war?

Saga16:
This one thinks he's in his local beer parlour.

benuejosh:
The day Elon Musk will talk about Biafra...

mfm04622:
I am old! I may be old enough to be your father!

NATO invaded Libya under a UN charter! It means they were carrying out a UN order, not a NATO operation. There is no such charter for Ukraine because Russia keeps using her Veto power to prevent it!

igbosarejews:
Tell me since the formation of NATO, where it has sort invade any part of Russia.
Russia is a criminal empire still living in the old medieval, imperialists era of conquering empires, while other countries are racing up for space and Mas exploration.
These same story they used to Invaded Chechnya in 2001, captured Chechnya. Invaded Georgia in 2008, captured almost 30% of Georgian territory.
Invaded Ukraine in 2014, then under Peroshenko and now in 2022

Iweakbro:
Can't you read to comprehend? That is aid in military assistance. What about humanitarian and infrastructural? Do your complete research little kid.

blaise26abj:
No I haven’t forgotten . I haven’t also forgotten how Cuba only said they want to grant the Soviet Union a base on their own soil and America waged economic warfare on them that they haven’t recovered from.

And has America not attacked independent countries like Iraq, Libya ( through NATO) based on false information ? Do you know that the weapons they supplied during Libya played a major role in the arming of Bokoharam?

2tpick:
If u supported UK's Brexit and lambasting trump for trying to pull US out of NATO and UN, you are a hypocrite. Again, if u didn't support UK's Brexit saying as at that time that UK will regret leaving the European union, that their economy will suffer bla bla bla, you really need to stop discussing global politics cos your brain never reach such level.of discourse.

Saga16:
Sharap.

You see how you are grasping at straws.

mp3ree:
Seems you're from another world? The so called 5 European power can not match russia military might, so stop deluding yourself. Why are they asking for America help?

BondRiv:
I support the call. After Zelensky's disrespect to the USA, these ungrateful so-called allies sided with him against Trump, yet the U.S. is remains highest contributor to NATO and guarantor of their security. The are busy holding useless meetings and talking tough. Delusional characters include Kaja, Starmer,Macron, Trudeau and the rest. European cowards should face Russia directly. Talk is cheap.

israelmao:
Elon and Trump are people who like challenging norms and widely held assumptions for positive change.

UrPapa:
Yes
The world has been slow on development in the last few decades
We’ve put too much focus on wars and woke policies

franchasng:
Go and sit down that person you quoted was saying the absolute truth.


Russia was able to penetrate Germany because a combined forces of the Allied Forces which included US, USSR (now Russia), Britain, France, Canada, Australia, Poland,etc already reduced German forces from different fronts.


If USSR alone faced Germany, Germany would have destroyed USSR and chased Stalin away in few weeks but Germany was fighting many countries on different fronts making it easier for USSR made up of 17 countries to push German forces back and then enter Germany with the support of other Eastern European countries like Poland, etc.




Europe remains the father of the whole world, don't argue what you don't know. They decided to calm down for peace to reign, most of the technologies the world is using today were all based on European invention and principles.


Who is Russia where Europe is? The only thing Putin is using to make noise and deter others is the nuclear weapon nothing more.


If not that the crop of Europeans we have today are more of cowards, they will damn the consequences and indulge Russia and disgrace Russia with all Putin's empty noise

blaise26abj:
It is fine my brother . I like intellectual discussions a lot . I know that American benefits a lot . They hardly do anything if it doesn’t meet any of their strategic goals.
Come to think about it . After Trumps first administration, they reduced NATO contributions to 16 percent . Biden did 4 years and they didn’t increase it back . Biden reversed the exit from the Paris climate agreement but didn’t increase NATO’s contribution. Seems they are both on the same page there .

If you visit serious countries not tied up in wars ( Japan, china, Switzerland), you will understand the need for them to put America first. The brief closure of TIktok led to a cultural exchange with the chinese people and they realized that they are worse off than the Chinese except for the “absolute” freedom ( which is an illusion to me sha )