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agabusta:
Trump does not want his country to be drawn into an endless conflict. They have already financed the war to a large extent and have seen that Russia cannot be defeated militarily by Ukraine except the US and others put boot on ground. And that in essence starting a World war 3. They do not want that! You cannot just allow your country to be drawn into a war when there are options to avoid that. That is the same mistake this Zelensky made that resulted into this senseless war.

Now despite all his mouth from the beginning to date, more than a million lives have been lost, millions have fled the country and they have lost more than 25% of their geographical space. This would have been avoided if he had used diplomacy and tact with Russia from the beginning.

You cannot come with empty hands and wants to dictate terms using only emotional blackmail. It doesn't work. What the US is simply telling him is that they have tried for you. Despite our support, Russia is gaining ground slowly. After 300billion dollars have been spent in support, and going to 4 years, 25% of the country have been lost. It's commonsensical that if you continue on this path, you'll still be loosing ground slowly except we up our support significantly. Upping our support significantly without anything to gain in return no longer makes sense to us. Why should the resources of our country be used to finance your war and you still have the effrontery to even be saying you have been alone from the beginning.

You guys should not think it twice, survival of the strongest is still the mantra out there despite all the cool and nice new world order.

Russia's military has been severely weakened. 300k soldiers lost since the start of the war.

If I were Trump, this is the time to actually be more aggressive with Russia and get Putin to back down. He would have secured respect for the U.S. and easily gotten access to Ukraine's minerals.

Ukraine has lost more soldiers though. But as small as that country is, they weakened Russian defence.

And even if there was to be a ceasefire (which I doubt), Putin will never forget the role the U.S. played. U.S and Russia may be friends now, but it's just for a short moment. History doesn't lie!

JimD:
Russia's military has been severely weakened. 300k soldiers lost since the start of the war.

If I were Trump, this is the time to actually be more aggressive with Russia and get Putin to back down. He would have secured respect for the U.S. and easily gotten access to Ukraine's minerals.

Ukraine has lost more soldiers though. But as small as that country is, they weakened Russian defence.

And even if there was to be a ceasefire (which I doubt), Putin will never forget the role the U.S. played. U.S and Russia may be friends now, but it's just for a short moment. History doesn't lie!

Russia's military bore some heavy casualties but not severely weakened. The military is still very potent. Russia only committed a fraction of its forces to the war and maintains like 60% as a deterrent in case of another front opening up during the war especially with NATO.

Russia's military doctrine is more of a slow grind. And despite the slow grind, they will keep advancing. Support Ukraine with another 300 billion dollars and you'll see that in the next 3 years, they will still lose more territory.

And war has its cost. As Russia is bearing the cost, so also is the US and its Europe allies even though their cost is only financial, but cost is cost. That is why the thing dey pepper Trump and a number of Americans. Russia has adjusted his economy to war time economy and can go on with this war for ages.

Kaiser20:
THE HARDSHIP NIGERIANS ARE GOING THROUGH UNDER TINUBU AND BUHARI IS WORSE THAN UKRAINE.

You can only comes up with that conclusion when you don’t know what war is?

Do you know the meaning of Freedom and War?

Pray you never experience War.

You haven’t keep in touch with anyone in Ukraine and that’s why you could make that conclusion.

Don’t experience what war is okay.

Not just guns fight but missiles.

If I hungry, I Dey carry my Corolla come outside look for who to carry give me money.

Can you do that during war?

Your money will be useless when you don’t see groceries to buy.

Let’s Zelensky accept Peace ☮️

As Cathedral of Peace ☮️

I will keep advocating for one.

You lose your loved 🥰 ones without getting sick or having road accident.

Bro you fit Dey inside house with your family, make bullets penetrate inside the house and kill everyone and leave you all alone.

If you vex well well,
Na to go join the Army.

You go kpai as tomorrow no Dey.
God no Dey hear prayers for war time.

That’s when you will appreciate what Military is going through.

MaziObinnaokija:
USELESS VILLAGE STUPID 🐐

Na ur fellow Bula ba mummmu be that.

AImiron:
Obvioulsy, dem still dey feed your little asss, there won't be any history in the event of a nuclear war, na wetin Trump dey avoid be that, you're too slow to understand and a full retarrrd...

You have just defined yourself with your own words. Nuclear war indeed. Who is going to start the nuclear war? Russia or Ukraine? Please educate yourself, it will do you good and also learn some manners. You hear trump shouting nuclear war like his friend like to, you too is running here to say nuclear war.. my friend, we not on the same level, next time you reply my statement with your classless word, you will know the meaning of spiritual nuclear. Please just expire, faceless

royalfly:
You have just defined yourself with your own words. Nuclear war indeed. Who is going to start the nuclear war? Russia or Ukraine? Please educate yourself, it will do you good and also learn some manners. You hear trump shouting nuclear war like his friend like to, you too is running here to say nuclear war.. my friend, we not on the same level, next time you reply my statement with your classless word, you will know the meaning of spiritual nuclear. Please just expire, faceless

Mf, i don't live in the shith0le, get a life lil boy and stay away from international politics, you're too slow and it's way beyond your IQ, hunger go blind your eyes laslas

Amayabor1:
Your problem is that you use your head to explain what even Russian experts have agreed to because of your inborn hatred for the US. If you want to back up any of your spurious claims, it is still the Google you will go to. Google has information from many sources. Source your information from Russian sources on google and see if it contradicts what i am posting here. Or you were alive when ww2 was fought and all the information about that war was told to you by the US, Russia, Germany, Japan? 😅😅. How did you know Russia got NOTHING free from the US? What's the source of your information?

Let's establish some facts;

1. Without US help, Hilter's Nazi Germany would have ran over USSR and take over the country. Stalin and other former Russia leaders agreed to this (except you are more knowledgeable about this issue than these people). I posted their quotes from Google. Do you have an issue with these former USSR leaders saying the truth or Google is your problem?

2. Let me educate you a little about the lend lease program. It was an act of parliament. It is similar to the one passed for Ukraine after Russia invaded Ukraine. USSR wasn't the only beneficiary. UK, France, Canada etc. USSR received more than 10 billion dollars of military aid. USSR couldn't pay for all the aid. They even had to export ore, managase, gold etc to the US to help them offset some of the bills. But in summary, what the USSR paid back to the US is far smaller than what the US sent to the USSR during Ww2.

If not for the US, Russia wouldn't have been a country today. 😅

1. U don't have to misinterprete formal soviet leaders.
Russia bought the military equipment from America for the war. Its that simple.
2. In Lease, u can return equipment that is operational after the war. Russia returned alot and paid for the damaged ones.
The lease helped Russia. Am not gonna lie.
But i don't think Russia would have been destroyed without it. I think the lease helped only 50%

Dottore:
Do you think Trump doesn't have advisers? They have seen the odds. It's not in their favour and interest. They have wasted 350billion and counting while there are lots of things to handle.
They are struggling to remain at the top with China's rapid, unstoppable rise in all rounds and sectors as well increasing influence despite them not having interventionist and hegemony policy at least in present and foreseeable line of actions.

US have increasing number of homeless people and economic challenges, employment issues tax related issues. War can't be the best decision. Not with Putin or Xi. It's senseless.
Zelensky is a big mumu. He should have known he doesn't stand a chance with Russia. Some mumu like him were saying he's winning blah blah blah. Putin is fighting 32 countries simultaneously despite the uncountable sanctions.
Only Russia and China can survive such conditions. Even Trump had to tell him the bitter truth that the war could have ended 2 weeks after it started without US support and Zelensky acknowledged it.
Even the countries that sanctioned Russia are not having the best of times. Their inflation statistics is worse than Russia despite them freezing Russia's funds.

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AImiron:
Mf, i don't live in the shith0le, get a life lil boy and stay away from international politics, you're too slow and it's way beyond your IQ, hunger go blind your eyes laslas

Can you imagine this faceless, oh you don't live in the sithole? What has that got to do with this? Come on you want to paint a picture of yourself, please try painting youras first. How you stay in your dirty shitty bed and know who is slowi and who lives in the shithole or not. You continue to define yourself. Wannabe. .. lol you have no idea.

Trump kicked zelensky out of the White House.
Now, zelensky is on his way to commit suicide.
Let me be the first to say RIP to him while he's alive.

AfonjaPriest:
Trump kicked zelensky out of the White House.
Now, zelensky is on his way to commit suicide.
Let me be the first to say RIP to him while he's alive.

lol. He's too rich to commit suicide.

Krismas:
1. U don't have to misinterprete formal soviet leaders.
Russia bought the military equipment from America for the war. Its that simple.
2. In Lease, u can return equipment that is operational after the war. Russia returned alot and paid for the damaged ones.
The lease helped Russia. Am not gonna lie.
But i don't think Russia would have been destroyed without it. I think the lease helped only 50%

I am not misinterpreting former Soviet leaders. It is you that is shocked that former Soviet leaders admitted that they would have lost the war if not for the help of the US. That is what they said. It is an open information.

Let me repeat; the USSR would have been defeated and the country taken over by Nazi Germany if not for the help of the US. Former Soviet leaders admitted this, but you, in one corner of Nigeria is finding it hard to believe.

And the USSR paid far less than what the US spent in supporting USSR during ww2. The facts are there. If I start bringing them to you, you will deny them as "relying on google".

Well, the bottom line is that if not for the US, there wouldn't be nothing like Russia today.

Amayabor1:
I am not misinterpreting former Soviet leaders. It is you that is shocked that former Soviet leaders admitted that they would have lost the war if not for the help of the US. That is what they said. It is an open information.

Let me repeat; the USSR would have been defeated and the country taken over by Nazi Germany if not for the help of the US. Former Soviet leaders admitted this, but you, in one corner of Nigeria is finding it hard to believe.

And the USSR paid far less than what the US spent in supporting USSR during ww2. The facts are there. If I start bringing them to you, you will deny them as "relying on google".

Well, the bottom line is that if not for the US, there wouldn't be nothing like Russia today.

U keep repeating yourself over and over?
Someone here, said the lease only helped Russia 7%, u think he just made up dat figure?
Its the official Russian position even though we know its a lie.
If you want Russian sources that downplay the lease, i think i can give dem to u too.
So stop talking too much about former soviet leaders.
As for defeating Russia, it takes more than winning Russia in a war, to defeat Russia.
Ask Napoleon, he defeated the Russian military, took Moscow and still lost.
You don't know anything about Russian military doctrine, thats why u are thinking without d lease Russia would have vanished

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikP4RulcGJo

fman:
Kpele oo!!
No worry na your flesh them go chop.
Your brothers will then mine your skull and bones

Fman is DEAD

Krismas:

U keep repeating yourself over and over?
Someone here, said the lease only helped Russia 7%, u think he just made up dat figure?
Its the official Russian position even though we know its a lie.
If you want Russian sources that downplay the lease, i think i can give dem to u too.
So stop talking too much about former soviet leaders.
As for defeating Russia, it takes more than winning Russia in a war, to defeat Russia.
Ask Napoleon, he defeated the Russian military, took Moscow and still lost.
You don't know anything about Russian military doctrine, thats why u are thinking without d lease Russia would have vanished

Well, you don't expect Russia to agree that the lease helped them significantly.

And please, I would like to see evidences of Russian sources that downplayed the impact of the lease.

I should stop talking too much about soviet leaders? Lol. Do you know what it means for soviet leaders to say that they wouldn't have survived the war if not for the support of the US?

I should forget soviet leaders that gave an honest review of how the US helped them? I should leave the assessment of people that were at the centre of the war and follow what you are saying? 😅🤣.

Talking about Napoleon. First, the major setback for Napoleon was the harsh winter condition and diseases that killed many of his men. Secondly, you can't compare Nazi military power of ww2 to Napoleon's France military might. You are indirectly comparing warfare in the 1800s to warfare fought more than 100 years after Napoleon's invasion of USSR (ww2)? How na? The Germans had already discovered nuclear fission prior to invasion of USSR and were already exploring making atomic bombs. That USSR were able to fight off Napoleon's France (when warfare was fought with crude weapons on the backs of horses) doesn't mean they could have been able to fight off Nazi Germany (when warfare had advanced to the use of fighter jets and bombers) without the help of the US.


Don't let hatred blind you. Calm down and read the words of USSR leaders that experienced the war.

Think Trump was aggressive to Zelenskyy for no reason?

Watch the whole talk.

Timestamps below.

Zelenskyy was emotional.

Interrupted Trump.

Called Putin names.

Raised his eyebrows.

All before Trump checked him.

And he called Vance a bitch.

He wasn’t ready for peace.

2:00 Trump compliments Zelenskyy

4:00 Zelenskyy calls Putin a terrorist

12:00 Trump cracks joke with Zelensky

13:56 Zelenskyy interrupts Trump

17:20 Zelenskyy throws his hands up in seeming frustration

19:00 reporter asks Zelenskyy why he’s not wearing a suit

19:22 Trump commits to sending arms to Ukraine

19:41 Zelensky raises eyebrows and rolls eyes at Trump’s statement

22:55 Trump takes the edge off of the suit question by joking with Zelensky that he likes his outfit

23:49 Zelensky contradicts Trump and keeps painting Putin in a negative light

24:19 Zelensky says Putin will never accept ceasefire and pushes for American security guarantee

25:55 Zelensky says Putin hates Ukrainians

27:00 Zelensky says Putin should pay all reconstruction costs

29:19 Zelensky shakes head as Trump speaks

32:22 Zelensky says Putin wants to annex Poland

32:30 Zelensky says Putin will attack America

33:00 Zelensky interrupts Trump

39:19 This is when Trump went on the offensive by calling out Zelenskyy hatred for Putin and started to escalate
39:14 Vance says Zelensky has been disrespectful, and conversation continues to escalate

42:40 Apparently calls Vance “suka”, meaning bitch, under his breath.

You don't have to like how Trump handled this, but don’t buy into the story that he ambushed or kick zelensky out.

Amayabor1:
Well, you don't expect Russia to agree that the lease helped them significantly.

And please, I would like to see evidences of Russian sources that downplayed the impact of the lease.

I should stop talking too much about soviet leaders? Lol. Do you know what it means for soviet leaders to say that they wouldn't have survived the war if not for the support of the US?

I should forget soviet leaders that gave an honest review of how the US helped them? I should leave the assessment of people that were at the centre of the war and follow what you are saying? 😅🤣.

Talking about Napoleon. First, the major setback for Napoleon was the harsh winter condition and diseases that killed many of his men. Secondly, you can't compare Nazi military power of ww2 to Napoleon's France military might. You are indirectly comparing warfare in the 1800s to warfare fought more than 100 years after Napoleon's invasion of USSR (ww2)? How na? The Germans had already discovered nuclear fission prior to invasion of USSR and were already exploring making atomic bombs. That USSR were able to fight off Napoleon's France (when warfare was fought with crude weapons on the backs of horses) doesn't mean they could have been able to fight off Nazi Germany (when warfare had advanced to the use of fighter jets and bombers) without the help of the US.


Don't let hatred blind you. Calm down and read the words of USSR leaders that experienced the war.

ioi

Read this article and pay attention to bureaucrats like Nikolai Voznesensky and Nikolai Ryzhkov.

https://www.rferl.org/a/did-us-lend-lease-aid-tip-the-balance-in-soviet-fight-against-nazi-germany/30599486.html

A Soviet report by Politburo member Nikolai Voznesensky in 1948 asserted
that the United States, described as "the head of the antidemocratic camp and
the warrior of imperialist expansion around the world," contributed materiel
during the war that amounted to just 4.8 percent of the Soviet Union's own
wartime production.

Nikolai Ryzhkov, the last head of the government of the Soviet Union, wrote in 2015 that "it can be confidently stated that [Lend-Lease assistance] did not play a decisive role in the Great Victory."

What a head of state says during dinner or in a party is irrelevant. Noone except you, puts much chip on it.
You think anyone believe Trump will buy Gaza? make Canada the 51st state or annex Greenland?
Or u think Putin was serious wen he told Clinton at dinner that Russia want to join NATO?
Leaders talk nonsense alot, and soviet leaders are no exception.

Then, lease would not have helped Russia, had Nazi developed nuke.
Nevertheless, Napoleon was the greatest military power in his day, who conquered d whole Europe, but yet fled from Russia.
Russia power lies in using nature, terrain and geography against invaders.
U will meet snow, Dune, heat, scourge, Trees, scrubs, Mountains and moles, Rivers and wilderness, Bears and foxes b4 u conquer Russia

SadiqBabaSani:
Seun please ban this Russian spy Monika

Why do we hate Russians so much? Are they not humans? Any reason why you prefer the west to them?

alpharoyalty:
Literally.
They were supposed to have a joint press conference but Trump cancelled it so he had to leave earlier than planned

@Stanluiz, read this.

WriteerNg:
Ignorance is a disease.



Do i also need to teach you how to use Google on your phone?
If you know how to use media tools like I do, you would never be in need of wisdom. I noticed you are suffering from high deficiency intelligence malady.

Don't ever try to school me on some thing I know very very much. I can present facts beyond Google indexes which you can never find because those machines have limitations.

Typical of a brainwashed generation like you. You re telling me to Google, Like Google hold repository of entire human knowledge. You forget that before Google was there were places where you can get information, first account of people who where in the war.

What do you know!

Many of you want to use emotion to bend facts. It is like saying north Korea defeated America in the Korean war, when we know it was Chinese defending the lines with Chinese blood for the sake of ideology.

If you honestly answer this question:
Did Finland defeated Russia on many front ?

Why did Finland enter into agreement with Russia for peace to reign?

I love Russia, expecially their language but I have never allowed that to make think like they re world power without no flaws and defeats. If Finland had enough support and man power, Russia would never have able able to cut away some of their lands - you can argue with that fact.

NOETHNICITY:
We are dealing with real facts here, not theories.

After the 2014 coup, Ukraine launched an unprovoked attack on the eastern regions, home to a large ethnic Russian population, killing tens of thousands of civilians and relentlessly bombing the area.

The government also banned the Russian language from being spoken by the local population. Even the Minsk Agreement, brokered by France and Germany, was never intended to bring peace—former German Chancellor Angela Merkel has openly admitted that its purpose was to buy time for Kyiv to strengthen its military in preparation for a confrontation with Russia.

These are verifiable facts, not speculation like the claims you presented.

That there is a fiasco in Eastern part of Nigeria that should be sorted internally, does that give Cameroon the right to invade Eastern Nigeria and Annex it?

Krismas:
ioi

Read this article and pay attention to bureaucrats like Nikolai Voznesensky and Nikolai Ryzhkov.

https://www.rferl.org/a/did-us-lend-lease-aid-tip-the-balance-in-soviet-fight-against-nazi-germany/30599486.html

A Soviet report by Politburo member Nikolai Voznesensky in 1948 asserted
that the United States, described as "the head of the antidemocratic camp and
the warrior of imperialist expansion around the world," contributed materiel
during the war that amounted to just 4.8 percent of the Soviet Union's own
wartime production.

Nikolai Ryzhkov, the last head of the government of the Soviet Union, wrote in 2015 that "it can be confidently stated that [Lend-Lease assistance] did not play a decisive role in the Great Victory."

What a head of state says during dinner or in a party is irrelevant. Noone except you, puts much chip on it.
You think anyone believe Trump will buy Gaza? make Canada the 51st state or annex Greenland?
Or u think Putin was serious wen he told Clinton at dinner that Russia want to join NATO?
Leaders talk nonsense alot, and soviet leaders are no exception.

Then, lease would not have helped Russia, had Nazi developed nuke.
Nevertheless, Napoleon was the greatest military power in his day, who conquered d whole Europe, but yet fled from Russia.
Russia power lies in using nature, terrain and geography against invaders.
U will meet snow, Dune, heat, scourge, Trees, scrubs, Mountains and moles, Rivers and wilderness, Bears and foxes b4 u conquer Russia

Omo. I have been away.

Hehehe in Rema's voice. 😅. So, you went to Google? So, we all go to Google then. Lol. That's by the way

Did you read the full article ? Let me summarize what the article says; Without US help, Russia would have lost that war. But before I delve into that, let me correct something you said; you are wrong to say that what a head of state says during dinner is irrelevant. It depends on the event the head of state is talking about. First, Stalin stated in an international conference in Tehran (not dinner) that the USSR would have lost the war without the help of the US. Nikita Khrushchev, in his memoir (not over dinnner) also said the same thing.

Also, the examples you gave really shows you may not even understand the issues at hand. Trump saying he wants to get Greenland or make Canada the 51st state and Putin saying he wants Russia to join Nato are things they intend/intended to do in the FUTURE. It is different from when a Soviet leader that has fought a war and after the war, gave an assessment that his country would have lost the war if not for the help of the US. How you equate both scenarios baffles me. Trump criticizing Bush for invading Iraq after 9/11 is a perfect example not the one you gave. Trump as president criticized Bush for going to war in Iraq. You see the similarities? These were world leaders talking about events that has happened, not the example you gave where leaders were talking about things they intend to do (and for your information, Putin was actually serious about Russia joing Nato).

It will be foolish to brush aside the talk of leaders of a country when they describe past events involving their country.

My second write up will be about the article itself.

Krismas:
ioi

Read this article and pay attention to bureaucrats like Nikolai Voznesensky and Nikolai Ryzhkov.

https://www.rferl.org/a/did-us-lend-lease-aid-tip-the-balance-in-soviet-fight-against-nazi-germany/30599486.html

A Soviet report by Politburo member Nikolai Voznesensky in 1948 asserted
that the United States, described as "the head of the antidemocratic camp and
the warrior of imperialist expansion around the world," contributed materiel
during the war that amounted to just 4.8 percent of the Soviet Union's own
wartime production.

Nikolai Ryzhkov, the last head of the government of the Soviet Union, wrote in 2015 that "it can be confidently stated that [Lend-Lease assistance] did not play a decisive role in the Great Victory."

What a head of state says during dinner or in a party is irrelevant. Noone except you, puts much chip on it.
You think anyone believe Trump will buy Gaza? make Canada the 51st state or annex Greenland?
Or u think Putin was serious wen he told Clinton at dinner that Russia want to join NATO?
Leaders talk nonsense alot, and soviet leaders are no exception.

Then, lease would not have helped Russia, had Nazi developed nuke.
Nevertheless, Napoleon was the greatest military power in his day, who conquered d whole Europe, but yet fled from Russia.
Russia power lies in using nature, terrain and geography against invaders.
U will meet snow, Dune, heat, scourge, Trees, scrubs, Mountains and moles, Rivers and wilderness, Bears and foxes b4 u conquer Russia

A Soviet report by Politburo member Nikolai Voznesensky in 1948 asserted that the United States, described as "the head of the antidemocratic camp and the warrior of imperialist expansion around the world," contributed materiel during the war that amounted to just 4.8 percent of the Soviet Union's own wartime production.

This was by a politburo member. It was not an official USSR government report. 1948 was a heightened period of the cold war and thinking a report from a politburo member will praise US effort in helping USSR in ww2 is a sign of naivety.

Same thing with the comment made by Nikolai Ryzhkov in 2015. A former soviet leaders saying in 2015 that the US helped USSR to defeat nazi Germany would have turned the entire country against him.

But let's analyze the opinions of PARTICIPANTS in the war and intelligence report.

I will be posting pictures from the article you sent

JimD:
Russia's military has been severely weakened. 300k soldiers lost since the start of the war.

If I were Trump, this is the time to actually be more aggressive with Russia and get Putin to back down. He would have secured respect for the U.S. and easily gotten access to Ukraine's minerals.

Ukraine has lost more soldiers though. But as small as that country is, they weakened Russian defence.

And even if there was to be a ceasefire (which I doubt), Putin will never forget the role the U.S. played. U.S and Russia may be friends now, but it's just for a short moment. History doesn't lie!

😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😭


Severely weakened with just 300k troops lost?

It seems you do not know the Russians at all.

They lost 27 million lives in WW2 and still went on to win and became a superpower.

They have a history of throwing human bodies at you until you run out of bombs or bullet.

If anything the Russians became more powerful. Discovering newer and more destructive weapons with each passing day.

Amayabor1:
A Soviet report by Politburo member Nikolai Voznesensky in 1948 asserted that the United States, described as "the head of the antidemocratic camp and the warrior of imperialist expansion around the world," contributed materiel during the war that amounted to just 4.8 percent of the Soviet Union's own wartime production.

This was by a politburo member. It was not an official USSR government report. 1948 was a heightened period of the cold war and thinking a report from a politburo member will praise US effort in helping USSR in ww2 is a sign of naivety.

Same thing with the comment made by Nikolai Ryzhkov in 2015. A former soviet leaders saying in 2015 that the US helped USSR to defeat nazi Germany would have turned the entire country against him.

But let's analyze the opinions of PARTICIPANTS in the war and intelligence report.

I will be posting pictures from the article you sent

U left out this

The Short History Of The Great Patriotic War, also from 1948, acknowledged
the Lend-Lease shipments, but concluded: "Overall this assistance was not
significant enough to in any way exert a decisive influence over the course of
the Great Patriotic War.

Then Nikolai Voznesensky was a very senior member of the Politburo. Not just a member, so his views must be official.
Plus the view was expressed IN A BOOK he wrote, which received the highest soviet award from Jo Stalin.
Same too for Nikolai Ryzhkov. He wrote a book and expressed his view.
It will have to be the official view, cos you can't write a book
without citing references. So, book is far reliable than any toast Stalin may have made over dinner or letter Khruschev wrote about recollections of Stalin. None of that matter.
Equally, gossips from foot soldiers and hatchet men, cannever be considered as official position on the matter.

Amayabor1:
Omo. I have been away.

Hehehe in Rema's voice. 😅. So, you went to Google? So, we all go to Google then. Lol. That's by the way

Did you read the full article ? Let me summarize what the article says; Without US help, Russia would have lost that war. But before I delve into that, let me correct something you said; you are wrong to say that what a head of state says during dinner is irrelevant. It depends on the event the head of state is talking about. First, Stalin stated in an international conference in Tehran (not dinner) that the USSR would have lost the war without the help of the US. Nikita Khrushchev, in his memoir (not over dinnner) also said the same thing.

Also, the examples you gave really shows you may not even understand the issues at hand. Trump saying he wants to get Greenland or make Canada the 51st state and Putin saying he wants Russia to join Nato are things they intend/intended to do in the FUTURE. It is different from when a Soviet leader that has fought a war and after the war, gave an assessment that his country would have lost the war if not for the help of the US. How you equate both scenarios baffles me. Trump criticizing Bush for invading Iraq after 9/11 is a perfect example not the one you gave. Trump as president criticized Bush for going to war in Iraq. You see the similarities? These were world leaders talking about events that has happened, not the example you gave where leaders were talking about things they intend to do (and for your information, Putin was actually serious about Russia joing Nato).

It will be foolish to brush aside the talk of leaders of a country when they describe past events involving their country.

My second write up will be about the article itself.

Stalin RAISED A TOAST. Do u drink in conference hall? They were eating when Stalin spoke. And what he said was never the official position of Russia over the issue.
Now, it does not matter whether a president talks about what will happen or what has happened.
Its all trash talk if it is not the official position of the country. Trump wishing to annex Canada or Greenland, is on his own. There is nothing in any official quarter about such. Similarly, Trump's opinion about Bush and Gulf war, cannot alter the official narrative of America on the matter.
Also, Putin is not the owner of Russia. He cannot decide suddenly to put Russia in NATO. And ofcourse Clinton rightly ignored him dat day.

Here is another link on the issue


The beginning was laid already in the first post-war publications in serious scientific journals and in the big press. In the Soviet State Planning Committee, with the help of fairly simple manipulations with numbers, they promptly deduced an estimate of the scale of Western aid at 4% compared to domestic production.

This figure was also found in the official work "The Military Economy of the USSR during the Patriotic War" by the head of the State Planning Commission and member of the Politburo Nikolai Voznesensky, who was soon repressed in the "Leningrad case". The book was published with a delay of more than 30 years, only in 1984, just between detente and perestroika, when the positive attitude towards the comrades-in-arms in the fight against Hitlerism was not very welcomed.

In the same 1984, "A Brief History of the Great Patriotic War" was published, which was an extract from the 6-volume officialdom, in which a much more objective assessment of the allied aid was given. In a short version, the case was limited to this, we admit, by no means a neutral passage:

[Quote] During the war, the USSR really received some types of weapons under Lend-Lease, as well as machinery, equipment, materials important for the national economy, in particular, steam locomotives, fuel, communications, various types of non-ferrous metals and chemicals. For example, the delivery of 401 vehicles to the USA and Great Britain was a significant help. However, in general, this assistance was not in any way significant and could not have a decisive influence on the course of the Great Patriotic War. [/ Quote]


So, the OFFICIAL RECORD had the lease effectiveness at only 4%
Regardless of what Stalin or Khruschev said otherwise.

Krismas:
Stalin RAISED A TOAST. Do u drink in conference hall? They were eating when Stalin spoke. And what he said was never the official position of Russia over the issue.
Now, it does not matter whether a president talks about what will happen or what has happened.
Its all trash talk if it is not the official position of the country. Trump wishing to annex Canada or Greenland, is on his own. There is nothing in any official quarter about such. Similarly, Trump's opinion about Bush and Gulf war, cannot alter the official narrative of America on the matter.
Also, Putin is not the owner of Russia. He cannot decide suddenly to put Russia in NATO. And ofcourse Clinton rightly ignored him dat day.

Here is another link on the issue


The beginning was laid already in the first post-war publications in serious scientific journals and in the big press. In the Soviet State Planning Committee, with the help of fairly simple manipulations with numbers, they promptly deduced an estimate of the scale of Western aid at 4% compared to domestic production.

This figure was also found in the official work "The Military Economy of the USSR during the Patriotic War" by the head of the State Planning Commission and member of the Politburo Nikolai Voznesensky, who was soon repressed in the "Leningrad case". The book was published with a delay of more than 30 years, only in 1984, just between detente and perestroika, when the positive attitude towards the comrades-in-arms in the fight against Hitlerism was not very welcomed.

In the same 1984, "A Brief History of the Great Patriotic War" was published, which was an extract from the 6-volume officialdom, in which a much more objective assessment of the allied aid was given. In a short version, the case was limited to this, we admit, by no means a neutral passage:

[Quote] During the war, the USSR really received some types of weapons under Lend-Lease, as well as machinery, equipment, materials important for the national economy, in particular, steam locomotives, fuel, communications, various types of non-ferrous metals and chemicals. For example, the delivery of 401 vehicles to the USA and Great Britain was a significant help. However, in general, this assistance was not in any way significant and could not have a decisive influence on the course of the Great Patriotic War. [/ Quote]


So, the OFFICIAL RECORD had the lease effectiveness at only 4%
Regardless of what Stalin or Khruschev said otherwise.

1. Yes, you can make a toast at a conference. It was a conference held in Tehran and Stalin said what he said at that conference.

2. Lol. Was Sanna Marin, the former prime minister of Finland the owner of Finland when Finland joined Nato? Or is Ulf Kristersson, the owner of Sweden when he carried Sweden into Nato? So, if Putin, who is an autocratic wanted Russia to join Nato and Nato members agreed, who would have stopped him? You? Lol

3. I didn't see any link. Was it not fear of nazi Germany that made USSR sign a Non-aggression pact with Germany? Lol.

4. None of all what you quoted is an official government of USSR/Russia account of events.

The truth is that,USSR/Russia will never agree that the US was instrumental in helping them defeat nazi Germany and it is understandable. They lost more than 25 million citizens and they will naturally want to take all the glory, instead of giving that glory to their enemy (the US).

Krismas:
U left out this

The Short History Of The Great Patriotic War, also from 1948, acknowledged
the Lend-Lease shipments, but concluded: "Overall this assistance was not
significant enough to in any way exert a decisive influence over the course of
the Great Patriotic War.

Then Nikolai Voznesensky was a very senior member of the Politburo. Not just a member, so his views must be official.
Plus the view was expressed IN A BOOK he wrote, which received the highest soviet award from Jo Stalin.
Same too for Nikolai Ryzhkov. He wrote a book and expressed his view.
It will have to be the official view, cos you can't write a book
without citing references. So, book is far reliable than any toast Stalin may have made over dinner or letter Khruschev wrote about recollections of Stalin. None of that matter.
Equally, gossips from foot soldiers and hatchet men, cannever be considered as official position on the matter.

Lol. The short history of the Great Patriotic War written by who?

"Until the lions have their own historians, the history of the hunt will always glorify the hunter".

What do you expect a politburo member to say? And sorry, the views of Nikolai Ryzhkov were never official position of the USSR on this subject matter.

So, both Nikolai wrote a book and it must have been the official position of USSR but the memoir of Nikita Khrushchev can't be the official position of the USSR on this subject matter right? Lol.

For your information, there was a deliberate effort made by the then USSR officials to downplay and never discuss US effort in helping them defeat nazi Germany.


And we are only discussing USSR account of things. I may have to bring the US side of the story so you can see how they were instrumental in helping the USSR defeat Germany.

Maybe you think only the Nikolais have written a book on this subject.

Amayabor1:
1. Yes, you can make a toast at a conference. It was a conference held in Tehran and Stalin said what he said at that conference.

2. Lol. Was Sanna Marin, the former prime minister of Finland the owner of Finland when Finland joined Nato? Or is Ulf Kristersson, the owner of Sweden when he carried Sweden into Nato? So, if Putin, who is an autocratic wanted Russia to join Nato and Nato members agreed, who would have stopped him? You? Lol

3. I didn't see any link. Was it not fear of nazi Germany that made USSR sign a Non-aggression pact with Germany? Lol.

4. None of all what you quoted is an official government of USSR/Russia account of events.

The truth is that,USSR/Russia will never agree that the US was instrumental in helping them defeat nazi Germany and it is understandable. They lost more than 25 million citizens and they will naturally want to take all the glory, instead of giving that glory to their enemy (the US).

1. U are wrong. It happened at a dinner. But i will let you argue blindly some more, b4 i show u the proof. Cos even if Stalin made such speech in a conference hall, its still trash talk
2. U don't know the process it takes to put a country in NATO, thats why u think one leader can just wakeup and dump his nation on NATO. Putin will be overthrown should he be insane enough to attempt to force NATO on Russia.
4. soviet planning committee
The Military Economy of the USSR during the Patriotic War"
A Brief History of the Great Patriotic War"
Are all official government of USSR/Russia account of events.

Amayabor1:
1. Lol. The short history of the Great Patriotic War written by who?

2. "Until the lions have their own historians, the history of the hunt will always glorify the hunter".

3. What do you expect a politburo member to say? And sorry, the views of Nikolai Ryzhkov were never official position of the USSR on this subject matter.

4. So, both Nikolai wrote a book and it must have been the official position of USSR but the memoir of Nikita Khrushchev can't be the official position of the USSR on this subject matter right? Lol.

5. For your information, there was a deliberate effort made by the then USSR officials to downplay and never discuss US effort in helping them defeat nazi Germany.


6. And we are only discussing USSR account of things. I may have to bring the US side of the story so you can see how they were instrumental in helping the USSR defeat Germany.

Maybe you think only the Nikolais have written a book on this subject.

1, Soviet State Planning Committee
2. How relevant is dis?
3. A senior Politburo member will only reflect official positions. U are very mistaken to think otherwise.
4. Memoir of Khrushchev were never used as propaganda materials like Nikolai, who got a medal for the book from Stalin.
5. U are a hypocrite. U speak with one side of tongue that Russian officials deliberately downplay d lease, then argue with the flip side of same tongue, dat those downplays were not the official government position. So, how are those people officials, if they are not maintaining official positions?
6. All that matter in Russia, is how Russia perceived the lease officially. Which makes Sokolov u keep quoting, an irrelevant reference