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MasterJayJay:
A rapist invaded a house and started raping the children. A father decided to fight the rapist and some clowns are saying the father should not fight the rapist.

Nonsense and ingredients.

The father should live in peace with the rapist.

Father peacemaker.

9jatriot:
Okay, so what has she gained from the war?

The so called helper, the great USA has now told Zalensky that all those money he thought was aid was a loan, to pay back she now needs unhindered access to her mineral, my question is what has Zalensky gained?

As big as Europe is, they are careful how they deal with the US.

nairalanda1:
1. SO, I guess you supported Russia and the USA invading Afghanistan, and USA Invading Iraq, and Israel invading and bombing other countries.

Good to know, because the same excuses the Russians use to invade Ukraine, is the same excuse they used.

2. Anyway, Russia and Ukraine have good reasons for holding the position they hold. Read ukrainian and russian history, and you will understand how this war came about.

At the end, they have to meet and sign an agreement, that is certain.

But russia invading Ukraine is not right. No excuses. Just as other countries invading other countries is not right too.

9jatriot:
You sound like a reasonable guy. Let me tell you what I think Zalensky could have done.

With a little more tact, he could have used the head of everybody, Russia, Europe and the US. Since Europe and US have a thing against Russia, by threatening to join NATO, he would get Russian's attention. When you have that ace up your sleeves, he could then have negotiated with Russia, long long before the invasion.

A simple threat that he wants to join NATO today, tomorrow, He wants to discuss with Russia, will keep making it a bride of interest and would have had her way with everyone.

TheGoodJoe:
Which actually it is just sheer greed from Trump. America signed that it will protect Ukraine from Russia's invasion, for them to give up their nuclear warheads. Now, America is not protecting them and want to skin them off their resources in a greedy deal in the name of peace.

9jatriot:
The bolded is the point I am making, he is now losing on all fronts. The one that pains me the most is the loss of lives with nothing to show for it other than losing now not only to Russia but also to US.

Europe go abandon also very soon, it is just Macron that seems to still have most of his time.

MasterJayJay:
A rapist invaded a house and started raping the children. A father decided to fight the rapist and some clowns are saying the father should not fight the rapist.

Nonsense and ingredients.

9jatriot:
Before the foolish bright idea to join Nato,
Ukraine owned all her minerals
Ukraine owned all her lands
Zero refugees
Historical infrastructure in place
Economy stable
Destination for employing IT professionals
Destination for those seeking cheaper education in Europe

Then it pursued a foolish agenda to join NATO, knowing that Russia would not standby and watch

Then it began to fight a war
According to NYtimes, over half a million people dead
Many more now refugees in other nations
Many kids will grow up with no dad because of one foolish comedian
Economy now in shambles
Infrastructure destroyed
Ukraine is now a war torn country
No more tourist, no foreign students

Then Came Trump
He tells Zalensky straight up, no more war funding
As a matter of fact, you are already owing us, how do you intend to pay.
Trump has given him a piece of paper to sign, in that paper, US from a faraway continent will come and be taking their rear minerals. Just to put it in context, imagine the mineral resources in Zamfara, the government will sign it off to another country to just take it while you look the other way.
After disrespecting Trump at the white house, and Trump asked him to go and come backe when he is ready for peace.
I hear he has now written a letter saying he is now ready for the deal and ready to sign off his rare minerals. HOw more foolish can a human being be?

How is this better than just trying to live in peace with Russia.

At the end of the day, after losing all of this, he still will not be allowed into NATO.

Even if they allow him into NATO today, it will still be a foolish decision because of the high cost

MasterJayJay:
See the ignoramus that is calling me an olodo.

Do you know a country called Finland?
Do you know that Finland has a border with Russia?
Do you know that Finland joined NATO in 2023?

Why can't Russia invade Finland?

Dude, you have nothing upstairs.

Swerve!!

TheGoodJoe:
I don't think Europe will abandon Ukraine. I think it is now a Western war. From what I can decipher, Putin still intends to become a nuisance to the West and if Ukraine falls easily, he will expand his evil.

I never held such views until the oval office saga.

I think Zelensky wants security guarantees and believes loss of resources will provide that. I don't know why Trump and Vance were worked up about that.

nairalanda1:
Well, check my points above, and you will see I am not into any propaganda

Also, some history.

Finland was once a part of the Russian empire...then they got independent in 1918. In 1939, the USSR then invaded Finland, and lost...then the FInns joined up with Nazi germany to invade the USSR in 1941..

IN 1944, seeing the Nazis were losing, the Finns broke off their alliance with Nazi Germany and signed a peace deal with the USSR...the cost of which was a large slice of the country.All the Finns there left and were replaced with Russian settlers.

And Finland has been neutral since.

Now, why hasn't russia invaded FInland?

DIfficult terrain, plus the experience of the 1939-40 war was not good for Russia.(being held off by a tiny country , in one instance one soldier held off thousands of russian troops, several snipers, and tanks sent to find him). It's the same reason why Nazi Germany never invaded Swizterland.

Plus, FInland until 2023 , never joined Nato, remained neutral. Also finnish leaders over the decades spent a lot of time cultivating good relations with the Russian bear. And they were largely succesful.

Below: a picture from 1963. The then leader of the USSR Khruschev, with his successor Brezhnev (middle) and the then Finnish President Kekkonnen(second from right) hunting at a Soviet hunting lodge.

I should note that Kekkonen was the only world leader allowed this privilege. Brezhnev didn't even take Nixon hunting self in 1972!

Floky215:
Was it ukrain that started the war..?
Atimes I feel people like you don't have brain at all.

Vicotex:
I wonder what history books told you that USSR lost to Finland.

Who lost war dey gain lands?

Una dey choose fantasies wey dey massage Una egos, wake up and face realities.

When the Ukraine and EU dey beat the drums of war pre 2014 where were you?
Abi you think say history start 2014?
Now I want to ask you a question and I demand a honest answer from you.

In your opinion, how and why did Russia take Crimea?
What happened before the event of Crimea?

nairalanda1:
Well, they lost or at least came to a truce in the Winter war...1939-40, and then fought with the Germans 1940-44, then got out of their alliance with the Germans and signed a truce with the Soviets, which involved them sacrificing land...

Better calm down. I no dey back russia or ukraine or us or eu or china. I back Nigeria.

Vicotex:
You know say dem don already gave up those land to Russia before the Germans started wrecking havoc, also the Russia were also fighting in the east against the Japan..

It's funny how we know more about foreign nations but we know little to nothing about our own country Nigeria.
History be like Taboo for our country

nairalanda1:
I know a lot about Nigerian history, but this isn't a thread for Nigerian history.

Why Finland's victory against Russia in 1940 is significant is that it convinced Hitler to invade Russia in 1941. Big mistake